Who said Microsoft was bad for download patches?

[dmdigital]

I know everyone moans about the fact that Microsoft products need lots of patches but consider this:

Since getting my new Laptop with Vista I have had to download:
Over 300MB from the Sony website to get it working
Over 250MB from the Adobe website in patches
Over 70MB from Symantec website in patches
and only about 60MB from the Microsoft website in patches!

I think this just kind of hit me when I got my nice new copy of Photoshop CS3 Extended today and after installing I checked for updates ... 103MB :eek:

How would anyone survive on dialup nowdays?

[shorty943]

:twisted::twisted:


That my friend, is known as the "hidden" upgrade dependencies.

I just updated my OS tonight. Mandriva 2007.1
Took about 1 1\2 cups of coffee to download, and install, on the fly, 133 entire system and application updates. And that included a complete update to the kernel. And not one single system reboot required.
Ah, I do like Linux.

Shorty.

[dmdigital]

Unfortunately the tools I want don't work on Linux ... unless I swap to a Mac (its a kind of unix too) ... then RovacomLite wouldn't work :o

[jik22]

I know everyone moans about the fact that Microsoft products need lots of patches but consider this:


It's not the amount, but the fact when you apply them in the background (As the security centre prompts you to set up) I've seen countless machines killed by them. The point is, the very users that follow these instructions are the non-technical ones who don't take an image backup before making a system change.....seen it happen too many times.

[shorty943]

Ain't it so.

None of the dyno and Hi-performance ECU stuff my mate gave me is any good under Linux.:(
Haltech, Motech, all Winslow slaves.

Yep, that bloke could do amazing things with the old 486 notebook in the glove box of the race engine works test car. Remap the ECU on the fly.
I was in the damn thing one day when it all flew apart.:twisted:
Silly grin, and "oops" was all he said.

Now that was a system update suddenly needed.:p


Shorty.

[HangOver]

if it ain't broke don't fix it ! ;)

saying that MS has a reputation for being, well, crap
it was slowly getting it's act together, then they issue vista :(

[JDNSW]

.........

How would anyone survive on dialup nowdays?

Unfortunately, some have little choice - broadband not available here except satellite or NextG, both with uncertain costs (well, NextG is certainly far too expensive to consider, and mandates Windows) and unable to fin out power demands for satellite. This would probably apply to very large numbers of places in Australia, including a lot of suburban locations.

And there are probably at least some who do not have and have no need for an internet connection at all. How do these get on?

John

[incisor]

telstra 3g now has unofficial mac support now as well...

does not work very well but they are moving to fully support it with an automated install.

[HangOver]

Unfortunately, some have little choice - broadband not available here except satellite or NextG, both with uncertain costs (well, NextG is certainly far too expensive to consider, and mandates Windows) and unable to fin out power demands for satellite. This would probably apply to very large numbers of places in Australia, including a lot of suburban locations.

And there are probably at least some who do not have and have no need for an internet connection at all. How do these get on?

John

I had satellite a few years back not the two way type , (read :expensive) the one that sent packets via phone and recieved via satellite, set up was about $450-$500 as I rememeber.
Running costs were comparible to adsl.
Speed was reasonable.

[tombraider]

telstra 3g now has unofficial mac support now as well...

does not work very well but they are moving to fully support it with an automated install.

Its working fine on Mac now!

I have Internode DSL2+M at home
Next G on my mobile
and Next G wireless Express card in my Mac for out and about moments!

Nothing like sitting at a roadhouse, having a coffee and chatting on the net!

Or pulled into a roadside stop, Mac on the guard, looking up whatever....

[tombraider]

Unfortunately the tools I want don't work on Linux ... unless I swap to a Mac (its a kind of unix too) ... then RovacomLite wouldn't work :o

Mate, I've got RC running in Parallels for Mac :cool:

[HangOver]

Its working fine on Mac now!

I have Internode DSL2+M at home
Next G on my mobile
and Next G wireless Express card in my Mac for out and about moments!

Nothing like sitting at a roadhouse, having a coffee and chatting on the net!

Or pulled into a roadside stop, Mac on the guard, looking up whatever....

So what's the coverage of this NextG , same as the mobile phone network?
Are you charged per mb?
if so what are the costs approx?

[JDNSW]

So what's the coverage of this NextG , same as the mobile phone network?
Are you charged per mb?
if so what are the costs approx?

Coverage is theoretically the same as the mobile coverage, but I understand speed drops markedly when the signal is weak. Costs I can't remember, but I thought they were outrageous - Telstra pointed out to me that the service is aimed to be a premium service for mobile computing, not fixed, and is priced accordingly - aimed at executives whose tab is picked up by their employer.

John

[abaddonxi]

Coverage is theoretically the same as the mobile coverage, but I understand speed drops markedly when the signal is weak. Costs I can't remember, but I thought they were outrageous - Telstra pointed out to me that the service is aimed to be a premium service for mobile computing, not fixed, and is priced accordingly - aimed at executives whose tab is picked up by their employer.

John

I thought NextG was also to do all of the country broadband coverage as well and get rid of all the dial-up, isdn, and HBIS Sat problems.

Cheers
Simon

[JDNSW]

I thought NextG was also to do all of the country broadband coverage as well and get rid of all the dial-up, isdn, and HBIS Sat problems.

Cheers
Simon

Only if they can persuade the government to pay for it - and at present that does not seem likely. Of course this is the reason I have not been pushing too hard for broadband, since the situation is, shall we say, fluid.

I expect that eventually, if it is not selected as the favoured channel for providing broadband outside metropolitan areas, competition will force the price down, at least to only a small premium.

John

[dmdigital]

JD, after spending several years on the $7/hr dialup waiting for broadband and now being one of the lucky few (town's run out of connections at the exchange or something) I know all to well about remote area comms issues.

That said even in the USA they don't all have great DSL comms and I truely wonder where these software vendors think everyone lives.

Now as for the election con by both major parties about supplying 98% (or what ever) of the population with internet. As soon as anyone quotes the ninety=something percent of the population thing to me I know their talking about nothing smaller than major regional centres.

I think everyone should spend at least a year in a remote region and learn how big this country really is.

[Michael2]

So what's the coverage of this NextG , same as the mobile phone network?
Are you charged per mb?
if so what are the costs approx?

When we were in Licola a few weeks ago, the NextG card on the laptop had coverage, but none of the mobile phones, including Testra did :o.

Still too expensive for me. The guy that had it was a tech and work supplied it.