Intercooler hi pressure side Elbow?

[amshaw]

Hi Bloke's,

After Looking over my Turbo with a Little new knowage:p, I found the 90dec elbow from the side of the turbo that heads towards the bottom of the intercooler is very very soft:eek:......As the "Breeze" is being pushed towards the intercooler, does it matter that its soft?

I just remember people talking about the pipe being sucked in, but how can that be if its being pushed past the elbow?:confused:

I was Looking at buying a new elbow but It may be a waste of money.....:eek:

[duff]

It may, the softness may be ok, but one consideration could be that it shows age coming on and with that there is the increased chance of delamination in the layers of the rubber. The inner layer can lift if torn, or balloon if pin holed and effectually plugging the hole(this is often described as being sucked in, they may be talking about this). The ballooning can be very frustrating in that your first couple of inspections it may be hard to pick up.

Soft hose's regardless of delamination are discussed by racers etc who are chasing splits of a second... if the rubber swells on boost you are technically wasting time and energy pumping up rubber,,, instead of burning rubber.

In our case if the rubber has become soft enough to suffer any real swelling, it will eventually place enough stress on the cohesion of layers, that may lead to blockage.

I think a lot of people change the hose when they detect sponge... Contact Dullbird (I think) she was selling some silicon hose, which is a popular way to go (I think...again TIC)

[langy]

If you're going to replace your turbo elbow, try pricing a silicone version - mine's holding up well after 2 years:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2007/07/190.jpg

ps: you might need to trim it a bit.

[amshaw]

It may, the softness may be ok, but one consideration could be that it shows age coming on and with that there is the increased chance of delamination in the layers of the rubber. The inner layer can lift if torn, or balloon if pin holed and effectually plugging the hole(this is often described as being sucked in, they may be talking about this). The ballooning can be very frustrating in that your first couple of inspections it may be hard to pick up.

Soft hose's regardless of delamination are discussed by racers etc who are chasing splits of a second... if the rubber swells on boost you are technically wasting time and energy pumping up rubber,,, instead of burning rubber.

In our case if the rubber has become soft enough to suffer any real swelling, it will eventually place enough stress on the cohesion of layers, that may lead to blockage.

I think a lot of people change the hose when they detect sponge... Contact Dullbird (I think) she was selling some silicon hose, which is a popular way to go (I think...again TIC)

Great thanks for info Duff, some are asking around the $160-$180 mark for two hose's :eek:, call me tight if you like but I cant see the value there.

But I have a young mate I know through work who has been in the hot 4 game playing with mods on wrx, evo's etc and he has a heap of stock left over from when he had a workshop, so I might get lucky in getting a cheap elbow :D, not sure about the top longer hose though, but it isnt any where near as soft as the elbow.....

[amshaw]

If you're going to replace your turbo elbow, try pricing a silicone version - mine's holding up well after 2 years:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2007/07/190.jpg

ps: you might need to trim it a bit.

Cheers langy, thanks for pic, are the clamps called "T" clamps? where you able to sorce the other top hose aswell?

[Bushie]

Any one know the size of the elbow hose (diam) off the top of their head.


Martyn

[rick130]

Any one know the size of the elbow hose (diam) off the top of their head.


Martyn

51mm (2")

[rick130]

and FWIW I prefer SFS or Samco hoses. They generally have more (4 ??) layers of braid than the cheaper silicone ones so cope with higher pressures better.

[rjhjstr]

Suggest that you contact Mike (Tombraider) on this forum re silicon hoses. I bought some off him about 6 months ago to fit the TD5 turbo and intercooler.

Russell

[tombraider]

Suggest that you contact Mike (Tombraider) on this forum re silicon hoses. I bought some off him about 6 months ago to fit the TD5 turbo and intercooler.

Russell

To all of those people who have sent me emails re these hoses, please be patient.

I have lodged a cheque for a substantial amount of money this week and once clear will have the shipment underway to Aust.

I have everyones details on file and will advise once the shipment has arrived.

[rick130]

To all of those people who have sent me emails re these hoses, please be patient.

I have lodged a cheque for a substantial amount of money this week and once clear will have the shipment underway to Aust.

I have everyones details on file and will advise once the shipment has arrived.



just the TD5 Mike or Tdi's as well ?

[dullbird]

[quote=amshaw;570393]Great thanks for info Duff, some are asking around the $160-$180 mark for two hose's :eek:, call me tight if you like but I cant see the value there.



i think you will find the value in the hoses is two things, the quality in the hose and ther amount of silicone layers used the cheaper the hose the cheaper the hose if you catch my drift

and also your paying for the fact that these hoses are made in a mould i.e i could be corrected here but i would be supprised if you could pick up a top intercooler hose for a tdi just out of any silicone shop due to the shape, same goes for td5

and also i dont know about tombraider but my hoses are hand made so you are also paying for the cost of labour...

oh and its 3 hoses for a tdi........my cost although i dont have tdi stuff at the moment is what i paid for them trade!!! thats what i got them for so its not like me and tombraider are making heaps of money off you.

unfortunatle silicone is not cheap thats what keeps the prices high and you have to appreciate we import from the uk and the cost of shipping is not cheap.

[WRB]

I still have a set of Allisport hoses for a 300tdi available, check in markets

cheers

[td express]

Great thanks for info Duff, some are asking around the $160-$180 mark for two hose's :eek:, call me tight if you like but I cant see the value there.

But I have a young mate I know through work who has been in the hot 4 game playing with mods on wrx, evo's etc and he has a heap of stock left over from when he had a workshop, so I might get lucky in getting a cheap elbow :D, not sure about the top longer hose though, but it isnt any where near as soft as the elbow.....

It cost me close to $300 to replace the whole pipe,(2 rubber ends and the steel section):eek:, so your $160 is looking good.
yeah, the insides balloon and block flow in the hose. Most annoying.

[amshaw]

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i think you will find the value in the hoses is two things, the quality in the hose and ther amount of silicone layers used the cheaper the hose the cheaper the hose if you catch my drift

and also your paying for the fact that these hoses are made in a mould i.e i could be corrected here but i would be supprised if you could pick up a top intercooler hose for a tdi just out of any silicone shop due to the shape, same goes for td5

and also i dont know about tombraider but my hoses are hand made so you are also paying for the cost of labour...

oh and its 3 hoses for a tdi........my cost although i dont have tdi stuff at the moment is what i paid for them trade!!! thats what i got them for so its not like me and tombraider are making heaps of money off you.

unfortunatle silicone is not cheap thats what keeps the prices high and you have to appreciate we import from the uk and the cost of shipping is not cheap.

Yep got all that, and yes i do understand why they are about $160-$180 a set:), and also for the record I have no problem you or others helping other members importing them even if you make a little money on them, I think the extra few dollers (or what ever) would be well spend for the trouble you are going to for all the members etc.

As Im really only after the elbow & the top hose is fine, if I pick up a good elbow for say a few beers off my work mate (he has a bit of new stock from his old shop), even if its not the best ever made , its still better than the one on the Disco now.......;)