Disco running on vegetable oil

[indybike]

Has anyone actually had any experience running straight vegetable oil (SVO) in a 300tdi or anything similar? There is an example here:
http://www.roverhybrids.com/D100_build_up.html
There is also plenty of info here:
http://www.vegiecars.com/home/
Ther is heaps of info out there but I have never come across anyone actually running SVO. I've been doing the research and am considering giving it a go.:confused:
I know there are plenty of stories floating around but has anyone seen it for their own eyes?

[chosen]

I've heard many different stories of people running vegetable in their Diesels but none of them were Land Rovers. There are a lot of issues with viscosity and waxing - how much do you know about the process and how about using biodiesel instead, or not ;-)

You've opened a can of worms with this one I'm sure,

Chosen

[olmate]

Has anyone actually had any experience running straight vegetable oil (SVO) in a 300tdi or anything similar? There is an example here:
http://www.roverhybrids.com/D100_build_up.html
There is also plenty of info here:
http://www.vegiecars.com/home/
Ther is heaps of info out there but I have never come across anyone actually running SVO. I've been doing the research and am considering giving it a go.:confused:
I know there are plenty of stories floating around but has anyone seen it for their own eyes?

Yes - I have a very good mate who runs the oil thru his Hilux. He has managed to get heaps of 'fish and chip' places to store there old oli for him; giving him a call when it is needed to be picked up.

Takes a bit to set up and your good to go. Changing filters every 5000 km and ensuring that the stuff is warmed up properly prior to commencing use - I didn't notice a difference... adn it saved a heap of cash.

If you want to know about his set up I can trace it down for you.

[indybike]

I've heard many different stories of people running vegetable in their Diesels but none of them were Land Rovers. There are a lot of issues with viscosity and waxing - how much do you know about the process and how about using biodiesel instead, or not ;-)

You've opened a can of worms with this one I'm sure,

Chosen

Biodiesel is too much mucking around with dangerous chemicals for me. I haven't heard of any issues with waxing. The plan would be to run two tanks. Start and run until operating temp is reached with diesel and then switch to fish and chip power. When you stop run a timer to flush the SVO from the line and replace with diesel.

[indybike]

Yes - I have a very good mate who runs the oil thru his Hilux. He has managed to get heaps of 'fish and chip' places to store there old oli for him; giving him a call when it is needed to be picked up.

Takes a bit to set up and your good to go. Changing filters every 5000 km and ensuring that the stuff is warmed up properly prior to commencing use - I didn't notice a difference... adn it saved a heap of cash.

If you want to know about his set up I can trace it down for you.

Thanks olmate I would really appreciate that if it not too much trouble.

[Disco Steve]

My old navara ran on just filtered vegie oil straight from the fish and chips joint:D:D:D

[Bigbjorn]

My old navara ran on just filtered vegie oil straight from the fish and chips joint:D:D:D

A friend has a Toyota SWB hardtop with the 4 cyl. diesel engine. He bought it cheaply at auction quite some years ago for use only as a beach fishing car and boat tug. His plan was to use it until it rusted away or died of old age. He does no more than 4000k's a year in it and for the last 6 years has been running it on straight canola and other veg. oils. He has a source for a cheap oil that comes in 44 gallon drums and is marked as not for human consumption, not for use in livestock feeds or in food manufacture. I assume that this is some reject, inferior, or faulty grade of oil and is sold off as sale being cheaper than paying someone to take it away plus noxious waste dump charges. He reports no problems at all. The tojo requires use of the glow plugs at cold start any time. He does put 2 litres of K-mart cheap engine oil in the tank every fill. This is an untidy, badly maintained vehicle that is used for short trips only, mainly to the boat ramp, and Moreton & Straddie, except once a year to Fraser from Brisbane and an occasional trip to Rainbow or Double Island. He would not contemplate taking it on a long outback tour. Basically a throw away fishing car.

[olmate]

Thanks olmate I would really appreciate that if it not too much trouble.

I'll let you know how he did it tomorrow..

[Redback]

Be very carefull with making your own Bio-diesel, i think it is, or is going to be illegal to make at home.

I would check first.

Baz.

[rrturboD]

I have recycled cooking oil on my list of future enhancements to my Tdi300. I have decided not to make my own Bio, as dealing with some pretty nasty materials etc in residential area probably not recommended... plus the health & safety concerns. Basically there does not seem to be a problem, starting and stopping on Diesel, and when it is warm, running on cooking oil.
Have a look through the Yahoo BioDiesel groups, I think there are Tdi300 users in Sydney, I'll have a look through some of the stuff I have collected on the subject, and PM you contact details.

[olmate]

Technically Bio-Diesel fuel is Bio-diesel is the name for a 'variety' of ester-based oxygenated fuels made with vegetable oils or animal fats. Bio-diesel is a blended fuel, being blended in any ratio with petroleum based diesel fuels. The use of straight vegetable oil is different from using bio-diesel fuels as there are no additives. Funnily enough, bio-diesel is being pushed big time in the NT – that is another story.

Indybike: The setup that I have been talking about is very simple. With the fitting of a dedicated tank that is positioned accessibly and with a 'coarse' filter on it; either within the tank or external. The mate I have referred to uses a simple cotton sheet (bag) method (to get the chips out of his oil as early as possible). The tank has a heater pipe running within it, but around the edges so to heat the oil as the motor warms up using diesel. A separate line runs from this tank, via a solenoid / switch, into the standard fuel line; through its own secondary filter.

The vehicle is started using diesel hence warming the system up sufficiently, which can be achieved in a few minutes. Then the driver switches the solenoid over to vege oil and allows that thru the system. As a rule, before shutting the motor down, we have always run diesel back thru it. I have done many kms with this vehicle - a 6 y/old diesel hilux and have had no issues; nor has the owner. Religiously sticking to the warm up / shut down procedure and replacing filters at 5000 km on the dot.

Additionally, I have an uncle that had a very similar method which he used whilst he was alive. Neither have had any issues with waxing or the like (well no more than any other diesel fuel). Using oil from a fish and chip shop has been well and truly worth it.

I hope this helps.

[indybike]

A friend has a Toyota SWB hardtop with the 4 cyl. diesel engine. He bought it cheaply at auction quite some years ago for use only as a beach fishing car and boat tug. His plan was to use it until it rusted away or died of old age. He does no more than 4000k's a year in it and for the last 6 years has been running it on straight canola and other veg. oils. He has a source for a cheap oil that comes in 44 gallon drums and is marked as not for human consumption, not for use in livestock feeds or in food manufacture. I assume that this is some reject, inferior, or faulty grade of oil and is sold off as sale being cheaper than paying someone to take it away plus noxious waste dump charges. He reports no problems at all. The tojo requires use of the glow plugs at cold start any time. He does put 2 litres of K-mart cheap engine oil in the tank every fill. This is an untidy, badly maintained vehicle that is used for short trips only, mainly to the boat ramp, and Moreton & Straddie, except once a year to Fraser from Brisbane and an occasional trip to Rainbow or Double Island. He would not contemplate taking it on a long outback tour. Basically a throw away fishing car.

Why add the engine oil?

[Blknight.aus]

as the TDI is just an evolution of the 2.25 diesel yep it should run fine..

in townsville bug 2.0 (engine now in kermit) ran fine on filtered/dewatered cooking oil from a coupl;e of fast food joints. filtering was through a strainer, into a 44 then pumped though a couple of ryco filters into a 60l drum painted black left in the sun with a small computer fan setup as an air extractor on the top of the drum to evaporate the water off.

[Bigbjorn]

Why add the engine oil?

Someone told him the veg. oil doesn't have sufficient lubricating qualities and will wear out the injection pump. Don't see the point myself as he is going to throw the car away when it wears out or breaks.

[Steve m]

I ran a series 1 disco (200 TDi) back in the u.k on svo for about 2 years without any problems, over winter I mixed it with diesel to stop the waxing at low temperatures. The thing I did was to keep a 1 liter bottle of veg oil in the garage and have a look at it so I could judge its viscocity, if it was looking like it was getting thick I'd add some deisel to the tank, but in summer it was warm enough not to present a problem, and if I was going on a trip where I knew I was going to use a full tank no matter what time of year I ran on svo. There was a lot of concern about svo rotting the seals in your deisel pump, this only happens if you have rubber seals in the pump, most vehicles now have seals made out of viton (usually vehicles made 1990 and onwards) which doesn't rot when in contact with svo. The best source of information about using bio deisel I found was by a guy called Joshua Tickell, just google his name and you should get some pretty interesting sites, he also wrote a book called "from the fryer to the fuel tank" (isbn 0-9707227-0-2) which is an extremely good source of information on using bio deisel and making the various types of bio deisel, plus the history of bio diesel, I'd recomend anyone considering bio diesel as a fuel to read this book, as there's a lot of advice good and bad out there, its hard to know what to trust, at the end of the day its your motor and if you wreck by running svo then its your fault, just be careful and research a lot before commiting to something like this.

[haggisbasher]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOFbsaNeZps&mode=related&search=


one wonders?.....

:eek:

[indybike]

The more I look the less I wonder. Don't know why you would bother withe the white spirit though as it doesn't get cold enough in Brisbane. I found a sight where a hilux owner seems to have it all worked out. http://orcboys.homedns.org/general/orc_projects/bio_diesel/svo/index.htm
I wonder what he does in his spare time?

[superquag]

With all due respect... you'd be better off going to this site - http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/6/ubb.x?a=cfrm=447609751

Or, for an easier site to get started, go to:-

http://www.biodieselcommunity.org/

Just be careful about using 'straight' oil in any LandRover, the fuel injection pump * CAN * be fatally damaged if its not thin enough / warm enough.

Cheers from WA.

- Been making biodiesel for several years.. - Been there/done that/earned the T-shirt !!!

[Blknight.aus]

typically thats not a problem in north queensland tho... But bloody ipswich with its -1 temps.......

[indybike]

With all due respect... you'd be better off going to this site - http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/6/ubb.x?a=cfrm=447609751

Or, for an easier site to get started, go to:-

http://www.biodieselcommunity.org/

Just be careful about using 'straight' oil in any LandRover, the fuel injection pump * CAN * be fatally damaged if its not thin enough / warm enough.

Cheers from WA.

- Been making biodiesel for several years.. - Been there/done that/earned the T-shirt !!!

With all due respect???? That doesn't usually mean that does it. Not interested in Biodiesel, but thanks for the insight. I think people might find this sight more useful: http://www.biofuelsforum.com/

[p38arover]

I saw a Racor fuel heater on eVILBay a couple of days ago. I thought it might be useful for a bio-diesel install. I can't check for the listing number as I'm at work.

Search for "racor heater"

It is used in conjunction with a diesel fuel filter by the look of it.

Ron