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The link is new story on Malaysian Corporal Punishment of a drug dealer receiving 20 strokes of the cane which was filmed by the Malaysian authorities as part of their anti drug education campaign but has stirred up the human rights elements.

When people talk about corporal punishment and the need to discipline young offenders this is what the result would be for the offender.

Is it a deterrent

My personal view is no, because offenders don't think they will get caught or in ignorance they think the penalty doesn't outweigh the benefits of the crime.

Is it a punishment

Yes it is

Is it suitable punishment

I am in 2 minds about it

[x-box]

Soooo? i got caned at school for lack of discipline, bad results etc etc. I even got conscripted for 2 years compulsory defense force training. Did that teach me something? YES - respect for other people and their belongings, even made me study at school to avoid a beating :eek: .
Did that turn me into a deranged pedophile/murderer/whatever? NO, but i do drive a defender ;) .
We in the "developed/civilized/politically correct" Western world have gone "soft" and lost a bit of touch with reality. For every action there HAS to be a reaction - and normally is eg you drive like an idiot under the influence of drugs/alcohol and kill/maim someone, do we say sorry you had to endure this, now be good and don't do it again, or do we beat the crap out of who-ever as a deterrent and also as a lesson/deterrent? There is too much leniency and as a result people don't realize there will be consequences to their actions. Break the rules (there to protect us all) and expect the punishment - simple.
That's why i'm all for hidden speed and red light cameras, taking hoon's cars away etc etc. rules are there for a reason, so a caning for drug dealing is acceptable and "light", to avoid it don't do it! Simple
The law is the law, you will get caught....

[defender90]

i reckon its great. do the crime get whipped they will learn not to do it again

[weeds]

ouch

yep, not sure that it will be a deterrent, people will still deal drugs

i got caned twice at school, the novelty wore off pretty quick and i started to think twice before i played up

[5teve]

im in agreement, crimes need a deterent

i hate the prison type system in the UK, for alot of people its an easy way out, 3 meals a day and a roof over their head. There is no way admittedly that i would like to be in even the current system, but if you have no choice or cant deal with reality do a crime get busted spend time in jail.

Prison used to be a punishment, im sure it is still in some sense.. but not in the true deterrent sense.

Uk has also gone mad on human rights, scum seem to have rights, the decent people dont regardless whether they have had their basic rights taken away by the scum.

was it newton's third law that stated for every force there is an equal and opposite reaction? we still live by this in everyday science so why cant we apply this pretty universal law to everything?

if you take someones human rights away, you lose your human rights.. = equal and opposite reaction

/rant over

thats why we left that bloody country.. but that isnt the first time i have posted about it ;)

ta

Steve

[HAK]

With Mediterranean Wogs it wasn’t uncommon to be beaten for being naughty well when I was kid any way, I still have scares from my old man

It only made me stronger and defiant so know it doesn’t work all the time

Dads tool was a bit of cable from telstra that was inch diameter rubber outer and copper 2mm strands on the inside

At time I didn’t sit for a week

brutal I know :mad:

[incisor]

i got the cane so many times i couldnt start to tell you how many times.

for the first half dozen times it has a very big deterrent affect.

constantly jammed in your face you get over it and it isn't a deterrent, it is just another hurdle you get over, but the scales are altered, the deterrent needs to be bigger and better to be as effective.

there is a difference between enforcing a deterrent and abuse, and way too many times the former becomes the later.

that said there is definetly not enough deterrent in todays world, there should be more of it...but not to the levels of that some of the religious states out there take it too.

[jik22]

thats why we left that bloody country.. but that isnt the first time i have posted about it ;)

ta

Steve

Us too, and much as I think the politicians now privately know they've cocked up, they'll never admit as much, so cannot openly be seen to start fixing it...I think it's going to get a lot worse before it can start to get better.

I'm just hoping to God it doesn't start happening here - as I'm now out of countries I'd actually want to live in. The UK and here were the only two, despite my employer's best efforts to get me to the US! :D

[tombraider]

Yep....

And we should adopt Texas laws too....

If you kill somebody... We'll kill you back...

(flame suit on)

[EchiDna]

we have whipping here too...

they use the same technique but I've heard it is only used up to 3 times on an individual, after which it is regarded as an inappropriate deterent...

sheesh you whip anyone with a tied together bunch of rattan canes and they don't get the message, there is something mentally wrong with the recipient!!

even an american kid who got caught spray painting cars got three strokes of the cane here about 10 years back, a lot of Americans were pi$$ed off and even bill clinton got involved but he still got the punishment that the law stipulates.

[DeeJay]

My mum bought a flyswatter off the local hardware shop owner who, being a friendly type, asked if the flies were bad. Mum said, the flies were OK, but I needed a good swatting. He was pretty horrified.You would'nt credit how it stung. Smacks were not too effectual by that stage.
Anyway, I can show you where its buried :angel:

Personally I think corporal punishment works for some and not others. I have an ancestors history here some where and it refers to treadmill and lashes constantly (for being caught in a "house of ill repute" amongst other misdemeanors) I mean he got lashed literally dozens of times. It really points out that some just don't care. Maybe he had skin like leather.

[FenianEel]

I have an ancestors history here some where and it refers to treadmill and lashes constantly (for being caught in a "house of ill repute" amongst other misdemeanors) I mean he got lashed literally dozens of times. It really points out that some just don't care. Maybe he had skin like leather.

Are you sure he wasn't paying (cash) for the lashings AT the house of ill repute:twisted:

[tombraider]

Maybe so but I bet some of these would work...

Rock Spiders - Cut of their nuts... Not chemically, PHYSICALLY.

Thieves - First offence, lashings. Second offence Fingers on 1 hand. Third offence - The hand!

Persons committing voilent assault - Broken Knees.

Continuous felons - Tattooed on forehead with notice

And the prison system, what a freakin joke that is....
TVs, DVDs... etc...

**** em I say... Your in to pay your debt, not have a holiday camp.

Nothing in the cells except a dunny and a rack.

No internet, nothing.....

Limited to 1 family visit per fortnight....

That should get some of them to hate the place so much they never want to go back....

<rant off>

[gruntfuttock]

There is some merit for this type of punshment but you will never find one solution to suit all

[DiscoTDI]

Yes, it is a good thing:D

[dobbo]

I'm hiding my wifes riding crop tonight.:D

[wayne]

I say whooop his ar**
Reminds me of my boarding school days peeling blood soaked undies off my bum:o :p

[DirtyDawg]

No one has ever had a second offence therefore it must work..besides good people arent whipped only the dogs...Whip On I says..bring it here we will start with corrupt Politicians:twisted::twisted:

[RobHay]

ouch

yep, not sure that it will be a deterrent, people will still deal drugs

i got caned twice at school, the novelty wore off pretty quick and i started to think twice before i played up

Geeez Weeds....twice whilst at school...!!!!!
I got flogged every day:o..... damned lucky if I got away with only three floggings a day :(......went to the Nuns and later the Brothers:twisted:.......did I deserve it....Yep sure did, plus alot that they didn't catch me for:D.

That video is not nice to watch, but I cannot help thinking of all the death and anguish that that fellow spread. All the broken families, grieving Mothers and Fathers, lives destroyed. I think he got off light, should have got a long drop attached to a short rope.

I can guarantee you plenty of Aussies are thinking twice now before trying to take drugs out of Indonesia and Singapore, because of events there.:nazilock:

[RobHay]

Maybe so but I bet some of these would work...

Rock Spiders - Cut of their nuts... Not chemically, PHYSICALLY.

Thieves - First offence, lashings. Second offence Fingers on 1 hand. Third offence - The hand!

Persons committing voilent assault - Broken Knees.

Continuous felons - Tattooed on forehead with notice

And the prison system, what a freakin joke that is....
TVs, DVDs... etc...

**** em I say... Your in to pay your debt, not have a holiday camp.

Nothing in the cells except a dunny and a rack.

No internet, nothing.....

Limited to 1 family visit per fortnight....

That should get some of them to hate the place so much they never want to go back....

<rant off>


Tombraider !!!!.......I have a job offer for you:nazilock::D

[MrsMcRover]

Our Laws are far too slack..... Bring back the Cane!:D

[Quiggers]

I got the cane once for punching a kid on the nose. It broke. I was about 11. He deserved it. He stopped being a bully after his meeting with my fist.

GQ