Scorpion racing

[HAK]

Has any body used there products or has any idea what there extreame kit is worth

at the expo I remember the equip guy having a few bad words about them but in business its common

[spudboy]

You might want to PM Reads90. He's definitley got an opinion.....

[Ken]

The extreme kit is worth over $7000 dont know much about em although they have a 90 chassis at Rovacraft set up with the extreme kit and it looks awesome

[discowhite]

this i why i would have liked to have my 90 up on the ramp at the expo!
it would have hi lighted what can be achieved by the DIYer at home for minimal cost.

cheers phil

[Reads90]

Has any body used there products or has any idea what there extreame kit is worth

at the expo I remember the equip guy having a few bad words about them but in business its common

I can tell you what is worth about 50c in my mind

Scrap Iron ripped off Equipe so they are the last people to ask about them :)
Were the main UK agent for Equipe in the Uk , untill scrap iron nicked there ideas and then made them localy but were of much lesser quality (if fact sh*t) .
Hence whay they have the name scrap iron in the UK

[HAK]

7G hoowly dooley your kidding

Ive asked alot of questions about suspension and not really the wiser

now has come the time to put the money where the mouth is seeing that I have finally taken a deposit for the WRX

Seeing some pics of scorpion boy they get flex out them and its exactly what I want with out the price tag

I was mind set to go with LRA spings Billies for shocks in a3.5 inch lift there are that many combinations and different spring and shocks from the Rancho where most would say there crap exept Ken to bilsteins

the local spring guy suggest Koni (ALL SPRINGS) he is a spring manufacturer no real idea about for wheel drives he advised that I dont want to go over 25mm as Disco is laxuary car (haaaaaaa) he did advise he can make them at any hight at rate just give him the details (but what details I dont know whats good for me) how ever he is cheap at 160 a pair

So Phil be my montor master Jedi how would you go about it?

starting with spring shocks custor adjustments radias arms what ever

[Bush65]

I have never been happy with the springs that were on my 300Tdi disco I.

The front was too low (about standard height I guess). The rear is raised, but I still don't like the springs.

I recently replaced the front springs with Kings 80/105 series landcruiser front springs KTFS 94C. These are standard height, comfort springs.

The disco has an alloy TJM bar, winch cradle, lowmount winch and 2 heavy agm batteries on the front. My guess is the front is now lifted between 3" and 4".

I tried one in the rear to check the height and they will be good there, so will get another pair this week to go in the rear of the disco.

I removed the front bolt from the left hand radius arm and unbolted the brake hose bracket from the inner guard, so that I could get the axle to droop enough to fit the longer spring (I was only doing one side at a time).

Since I have often thought about how it would drive with this bolt removed, I had to take it for a test drive after the springs were in. Around town and on the highway it handled ok. A little more body sway, and a little more dive on the left side under brakes. Altogether quite satisfactory.

Flex at the front was greatly increased and is now better balanced with the rear.

Offroad it has improved out of site and is much more comfortable to drive over ruts.

I find those 80/105 springs are excellent if you want that amount of lift. The only issue is that the coil at one end is not flattened and ground.

Flex is still limited by stock length shockies, but I have some LRA extended billies that will soon be fitted (once I have some spacers to raise the shock turrents and brackets to lower the brake hoses.

As for the front bolt in the left radius arm. My plan is to make a pin that can be fitted/removed conveniently (along the lines of a pin for hayman reece tow hitches).

[sclarke]

I had a pair of Scrap iron racing rear shock drop mounts..... i broke one..... and i dont drive that hard..... never broken a CV or axle so i must be gentle...

Would i buy from them again.... Nope

[spudboy]

I removed the front bolt from the left hand radius arm and unbolted the brake hose bracket from the inner guard, so that I could get the axle to droop enough to fit the longer spring (I was only doing one side at a time).

Since I have often thought about how it would drive with this bolt removed, I had to take it for a test drive after the springs were in. Around town and on the highway it handled ok. A little more body sway, and a little more dive on the left side under brakes. Altogether quite satisfactory.



Can you explain this a bit more for me please? I'm imagining that you're getting more rotation of the axle with only one bolt. Is that right?

[Bush65]

Can you explain this a bit more for me please? I'm imagining that you're getting more rotation of the axle with only one bolt. Is that right?
Radius arms attach to the axle housing with 2 bolts to prevent the housing from rotating.

When the axle articulates, the radius arm on one side will be up and the other will be down. The difference in the angle (from one side to the other), tries to twist the axle housing, making it work like a large sway bay and restricting articulation.

By removing the front bolt on one side, the axle is freed up for articulation.

The downside is that during heavy braking, only the radius arm that has both bolts can resist the rotation of the axle. This will increase the load on the bolts and the rubber bushes on that side radius arm.

I did a trip today that involved about 2 hrs total on main roads and there were no significant issues, but I wouldn't want to run like this for an extended period.

Off road is great, so a quick detachment pin will be good for mixed on/off road. For extended on road, the bolt will go back in.

[Reads90]

A few years ago there was a truck at a UK show that had a hinged front Hockey Stick (you only nee it one side). This had a bolt that went into it on the road and came out for off road use which meant the front axel had loads more travel. It was an Idea nicked from the Yanks. They use it alot on Jeeps i am lead to belive.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2007/08/260.jpg

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[lokka]

Radius arms attach to the axle housing with 2 bolts to prevent the housing from rotating.

When the axle articulates, the radius arm on one side will be up and the other will be down. The difference in the angle (from one side to the other), tries to twist the axle housing, making it work like a large sway bay and restricting articulation.

By removing the front bolt on one side, the axle is freed up for articulation.

The downside is that during heavy braking, only the radius arm that has both bolts can resist the rotation of the axle. This will increase the load on the bolts and the rubber bushes on that side radius arm.

I did a trip today that involved about 2 hrs total on main roads and there were no significant issues, but I wouldn't want to run like this for an extended period.

Off road is great, so a quick detachment pin will be good for mixed on/off road. For extended on road, the bolt will go back in.

Sounds like a good mod there john il have a go at this myself :D:D:D:D:D:D

[sclarke]

That mod would be illegal for Road use??? it would have to. the Strength in the arm has gone, even with the 2 bolts in.
Can anyone tell me otherwise.

Steve

[Reads90]

That mod would be illegal for Road use??? it would have to. the Strength in the arm has gone, even with the 2 bolts in.
Can anyone tell me otherwise.

Steve


Agree would not like to drive a truck with it on. but this was on the Scrap iron stand and they were trying to sell them but alot of people thoguht the same

[tombraider]

Seriously mate...

I'm fed up with hearing your "Scrap Iron" line....

They are no better or worse than Bearmach, BritPart, or any other company....

All of them have a version of Equip products (barwork etc..)

IF... The product was as bad as stated they would be Out of Business by now... Simple....

All they are guilty of is making parts cheaper... For the public....

And the only issue I have heard was problems with coils sagging over time....

Seems that that was common from some Oz sources too IIRC....

You come over as a bitter, bitter person...

Is your view based on your own personal USE and ownership?
Or is this a mate, of a mates, wifes, brother in law.... Story?

[dullbird]

Seriously mate...

I'm fed up with hearing your "Scrap Iron" line....

They are no better or worse than Bearmach, BritPart, or any other company....

All of them have a version of Equip products (barwork etc..)

IF... The product was as bad as stated they would be Out of Business by now... Simple....

All they are guilty of is making parts cheaper... For the public....

And the only issue I have heard was problems with coils sagging over time....

Seems that that was common from some Oz sources too IIRC....

You come over as a bitter, bitter person...

Is your view based on your own personal USE and ownership?
Or is this a mate, of a mates, wifes, brother in law.... Story?

LMFAO:wasntme:

[Reads90]

Seriously mate...

I'm fed up with hearing your "Scrap Iron" line....

They are no better or worse than Bearmach, BritPart, or any other company....

All of them have a version of Equip products (barwork etc..)

IF... The product was as bad as stated they would be Out of Business by now... Simple....

All they are guilty of is making parts cheaper... For the public....

And the only issue I have heard was problems with coils sagging over time....

Seems that that was common from some Oz sources too IIRC....

You come over as a bitter, bitter person...

Is your view based on your own personal USE and ownership?
Or is this a mate, of a mates, wifes, brother in law.... Story?

The based is on my own experiance with serveral of their items including springs sagging , and on their customer service (or lack off), and my brothers. I may be a bit bitter personally as they don't want to know when the springs are nackered and sagging after just 2000K's of road use (and 4 rear shocks broke in that time too). And they won't do anything, but i am not the only one or the first that this has happen to
I took a +2" lift 2000Ks rear scorpion spring off the 90 and put new +2" OME on and the car went up 5" . mmmmm. And colin at Scorpion told me it was because of the simex tyres i had on the 90 and not the coils. So an unsprung weight caused the coils to saged after i told him that was the tyres i had on the truck when i ordered them

But it is not just mine but seeing most of thier parts fail at event for which they are designed for . The most common is the rear radius arms (the bent ones) coming apart at the axel end due to poor welding and lack of weld
I also ran a Land Rover Club in the Uk for 10 years. This involed organiseing site days where you had to marshall and recover people from all sorts of problems. This is when i have seen personally most of the problems with their stuff. Yeah it was in off road situations but these are what these bits are sold for

Fine making stuff cheaper but i surpose you get what you pay for and this is defiantely the case here

As for Britpart and bearmach. Well Beahmach surpension was Procomp but they are now using an Aus manfacture to make their stuff.

Go to most UK forums and ask what they think and you will get the same answer. Fine for the supermarket off roader but if you want to use the truck . Their stuff is just not up to it
I would never ever drive a truck scorpion stuff along a corrigated track here. It would just not hold up to the conditions


Funny really it is a sort of grass is always greener thing. In the Uk the OME is seen as the mutts nuts and used by most of the hardcore off roaders and is seen as the best (by far) surpension for the land rover
Where as here they are not seen as anything speaical and you lot want stuff from the UK, which we all think is crap compaired to what is here in Aus :):)

[Cameron_Def]

meow

[walker]

and i dont drive that hard.....

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::wacko::wacko::angel:

[HAK]

I just called rovercraft to get a bit of info about a suspension kit by scorpion but mainly a price out of curiosity

the bloke advised he would call me back

not sorry mate my hands are tied may I call you back

Na

just name number and I'll call ya back haaaaaaaaa

[stuart]

Are HELLO i'm here i have had no calls about the product today...

0893770080
or
stuart@rovacraft.com.au



I just called rovercraft to get a bit of info about a suspension kit by scorpion but mainly a price out of curiosity

the bloke advised he would call me back

not sorry mate my hands are tied may I call you back

Na

just name number and I'll call ya back haaaaaaaaa

[incisor]

:P

bless em.....

[HAK]

Oh well there loss I got it a lone (ofcoarse with the help of a few fine chaps here)

[HAK]

I got a call back from rovercraft just then, he advised me that that going a 4 inch lift will not improve my flex at all. He advise that due to the ACE that the only benifit from a lift is clearence namely for bigger tyres and in order for more flex that the ace has got to go

having said that if you go 2 inch suspension and a 2.5 inch body lift in theory is the same as doing a 4.5 inch suspension lift if you have ace with out the geometry issues TRUE OR FLASE

now dispite being advised in a wired manner that he would call me back, he actually did and due this I owe him a applogy for the fact that he did give me some info correct or wrong it was his prefesional opinion

Word of advice for rovercraft explain why you need to call some one back its called custom service it go a long way should rover craft have not called me back it was one customer lost that is willing to spend a bucket load of his cash stupidly

any way was rovercraft in his info correct

[tombraider]

Calling you back is an offer of respect IMO.

If he was very busy, and serving someone else (and you were that someone else) would you not want his full attention?

[HAK]

Calling you back is an offer of respect IMO.

If he was very busy, and serving someone else (and you were that someone else) would you not want his full attention?


Ah yes Common courtesy states, that you should advise the person your currently serving with an excuse me, then answer the phone, you should then proceed and advise the person on the phone that your currently serving another customer and should they wish to leave a name and a number you will call back ASAP.

NOT name number and hang up on the person

Any way if I was running a business I wouldn't have it any other way

I would still shop there though not holding anything against them at all as stated the bloke gave me a whole lot of details wright or wrong I dont know but it was his pro opinion

Im not into this Scorpion Equip Crap as far as Im aware there both crap appose what we can do here

[sclarke]

Ive been getting Emails from Scorpian reps asking what they can do for me.....

WOW cust service at last.....

Mmmm What i want is free set of rear Shock drop mounts to compensate the last set i had that broke...
Do i have the broken one.. Nope turfed them and said i'd never use Scorpian again... BUT if its Free..... Maybe......

[Bush65]

I got a call back from rovercraft just then, he advised me that that going a 4 inch lift will not improve my flex at all. He advise that due to the ACE that the only benifit from a lift is clearence namely for bigger tyres and in order for more flex that the ace has got to go

...

any way was rovercraft in his info correct

I haven't had any experience with ACE, but in general spring lift is only one factor and does not improve flex unless other changes are made.

The travel is usually limited by the stroke of the stock shockies. If longer travel shockies are fitted, then other parts of the suspension come into play to limit the travel.

How ACE affects this I am not competent to say, but I wouldn't be surprised if it needs changing.

Say for example that the stock setup allows 75mm of bump travel and 125mm of droop (measured at the shockie).

Now fit springs with a higher spring rate and increased free length, so the vehicle is raised 100mm.

Then you will only get 25mm of droop. And you may get 175mm of bump travel. But the force to induce that much bump travel will be much greater (because of the higher spring rate and the increased distance that the spring is compressed).

So it is reasonable to expect less flex in some cases.


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having said that if you go 2 inch suspension and a 2.5 inch body lift in theory is the same as doing a 4.5 inch suspension lift if you have ace with out the geometry issues TRUE OR FLASE

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False. But depending upon what results you want, it may be as good, or even better in some aspects.

[tombraider]

OK....

Slunnie is the 4" lifted Disco man.... He'll pipe up soon if you wait...

He has 4" coils, longer bilstein shocks (GU fronts? and 10" buggy shocks in the rear) custom valved, extended bump stops and "in coil" air bags (unsure of brand) and modified the front ACE mounts using rear connections IIRC.... This helped the handling and performance a lot.

He also modified the watt linkage bracket a bit...

Body Lifting a D2 is illegal and will fail roadworthy and insurance.

Just to keep you enticed whilst he answers...

[tombraider]

Say for example that the stock setup allows 75mm of bump travel and 125mm of droop (measured at the shockie).

Now fit springs with a higher spring rate and increased free length, so the vehicle is raised 100mm.

Then you will only get 25mm of droop. And you may get 175mm of bump travel. But the force to induce that much bump travel will be much greater (because of the higher spring rate and the increased distance that the spring is compressed).

So it is reasonable to expect less flex in some cases.


However, with ACE you can run light rates and longer coils....

[Slunnie]

I got a call back from rovercraft just then, he advised me that that going a 4 inch lift will not improve my flex at all. He advise that due to the ACE that the only benifit from a lift is clearence namely for bigger tyres and in order for more flex that the ace has got to go

any way was rovercraft in his info correct
He info is incorrect on all 3 points. :D

[walker]

Yes. I spring lift does not give more room for larger tyres.........unless you extend bumpstops as well.