tdi engine into series 2a

[Fusion]

ok for starters will the tdi engine bolt onto the series gearbox and what sort of mods would i need to do to fit it properly ? And what sort of cash would i have to throw at a wrecker to get the engine ?:confused:

[akelly]

Have a look here

http://www.glencoyne.co.uk/200di.htm

It's a bodgy effort, but shows it can be done. Not sure if you would get this registered in any state (even QLD) though...

[Blknight.aus]

actually with an engineers report for the mounting of the engine you probabley would get away with it in qld as the 200 TDI is basically the same spec as the original 2.25 but with a better head and higher injection pressures. so maximum power is not much more than for a top condition 2.25 petrol engine but the difference is all the torque is low down , (which he stated on the site)

because of the minimal changes in power you probabley wouldnt even need to change the brakes.

[Davo]

Have a look at the Series 2 Club Forum, (which I can't get to work right now). We've had a long discussion about this, and one member has documented his conversion. There is a lot of really good information, mostly about all the little details these sorts of things usually involve.

[JDNSW]

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because of the minimal changes in power you probabley wouldnt even need to change the brakes.

2.25 Petrol - 77/81BHP @4250, 124/127ft lb @ 2500 depending on 7:1/8:1

200Tdi 111BHP@4000, 195ft lb @1700

Is a 37/44% power increase "minimal"?

The transfer case would certainly stand the torque, as would the Salisbury rear axle (not standard on any 2a), and the 2a gearbox might - but the Rover rear axle certainly would not. The difference in maximum rpm plus the extra power would probably leave it undergeared, although larger tyres would likely offset this.

It would be OK with a light right foot and would run very nicely - but I expect it would be easy to break things, and you would really want to at least fit six cylinder front brakes and probably a booster.

John

[isuzurover]

A 200Tdi from a defender bolts straight in as long as you move the battery box and the engine mounts. A disco 200tdi will too if you make a funky dump pipe for the turbo so it clears the firewall.

300Tdi is a bit more work.

I don't know the current rules in QLD, but it used to be that you multiplied the capacity by 1.4 for a turbo (2.5x1.4) - which was above the maximum permitted engine size for a SIIA SWB but not a SIII.

[Fusion]

how is it then that you see some landys with v8's in them still running the same drive line .... Are they still rego'd to the original engine and just taking the chance they don't get caught ? ... And if i was to stick with the 186 holden donk do i need an engineers for that in Victoria ?:confused:

[isuzurover]

how is it then that you see some landys with v8's in them still running the same drive line .... Are they still rego'd to the original engine and just taking the chance they don't get caught ? ... And if i was to stick with the 186 holden donk do i need an engineers for that in Victoria ?:confused:

Rules vary from state-state. What is legal in one state isn't in another and vice versa (until the NCOP comes in).

QLD rules are that you need a Mod plate for any engine conversion except a factory (bolt in-out) option. I'm sure you need an engineer's certificate for a holden conversion in vic (or a tdi conversion).

[Blknight.aus]

2.25 Petrol - 77/81BHP @4250, 124/127ft lb @ 2500 depending on 7:1/8:1

200Tdi 111BHP@4000, 195ft lb @1700

Is a 37/44% power increase "minimal"?

The transfer case would certainly stand the torque, as would the Salisbury rear axle (not standard on any 2a), and the 2a gearbox might - but the Rover rear axle certainly would not. The difference in maximum rpm plus the extra power would probably leave it undergeared, although larger tyres would likely offset this.

It would be OK with a light right foot and would run very nicely - but I expect it would be easy to break things, and you would really want to at least fit six cylinder front brakes and probably a booster.

John


but what are those numbers when the engine has no turbo charger....... re-read the conversin site again...

[mcrover]

how is it then that you see some landys with v8's in them still running the same drive line .... Are they still rego'd to the original engine and just taking the chance they don't get caught ? ... And if i was to stick with the 186 holden donk do i need an engineers for that in Victoria ?:confused:

Unless you have the certificate that came with the conversion kit then it will have to be re engineered.

My IIa had a 186HP in it and when it was done they got a piece of paper stating that all the parts had been tested and would be safe if fitted correctly without modifacation.

I dont know if they still do that with conversions but if you need to register it then I would look into it but it shouldnt be too much of a head ache.

And yes, most people who do the big motor conversions dont bother with the legalities of it.

[olmate]

Not too long ago I had both my 2A motor out and my 200 Tdi motor out - they looked the same to me in the block. I can't see why it wouldn't go straight in.

[Fusion]

Well i have the bellhousing adaptor for the 186 but not the engine mounts . Can i make my own or will i need to get pro built ones ? Cos at the moment it's goin to be cheaper to install the holden donk for now and I might look into the tdi down the track sometime

[akelly]

G'day Wannalandy,

having just gone through the rigamarole getting my SIIA ute registered in NSW (it has a 186), my advice is to go to VicRoads (or whatever they are called) and find out what's needed before you start. If it requires an Engineers Report (as it does here in NSW) then go and speak to a registered Engineer about what you want to do.

I think you will find that it will be better in the long run to get some engine mounts that are proffesionally made - they are whats holding the donk in, after all.

With the 186 I would get the brakes changed over to the 6cyl fronts with a split master cylinder and booster from a SIII - it will make your life a lot safer, and easier with the Engineer. My ute has the boosted split system and it stops very well (catches me off guard at times).

Last point - the holden conversion is well worthwhile, but must be done properly otherwise it will give you nothing but pain. You will also need an overdrive/HRTC/rangie diffs - otherwise you'll rev the 186 to death.

Cheers,

[Gromit68]

Adam is right - you don't want a dodgy 186 conversion! I've had one - it ended up leaking oil out the main seal because it never fit properly.

If you're going to re-engine your LR, you'll need to read this:

http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/Registration/ChangeOfVehicleDetails/

All the best.

Alastair

[LandyAndy]

Landrover actually have a Genuine kit to retrofit the TDi into series Landies,TRUE STORY!!!!
Reasearch a few pommie websites you should find all the info.
I read an article in one of the pommie mags years ago,in the poor african countries Landrover have re-furbish workshops where the old series buses go in for a re-birth,come out as brand new with the tdi motor.
The mag I read it in,most likeley Landrover Owner International were even giving away the Genuine Landrover conversion kit in a competition at the time!!!
Search and you will find.
Andrew

[Fusion]

I have the proper adaptor for the 186 ansd all the proper clutch set up all i need is the engine mounts. Does anyone know where i can get a pair of the engine mounts from ? I have the 10 inch brakes all round ( i think 10inch ) as i swapped all the brakes and hubs over form a series 3 for the rangie wheels i put on ( needed the thicker studs for the wheel nuts ) . I have purchased a booster off kaa45 that will go in as soon as i get around to it . Thanks for all of the advice :thumbsup:

[sclarke]

Not too long ago I had both my 2A motor out and my 200 Tdi motor out - they looked the same to me in the block. I can't see why it wouldn't go straight in.

Series Deisel and 200tdi is almost identical in block design
Ive seen both and the 200 is a Series deisel copy...

[barryj]

No one has come up with an estimate for a 200 tdi engine and converion bits from what I can see.

I doubt if I would try and fit a 200 into a 2a as the cost verses benefits would not add up.

The 200 tdi engine is getting a bit old now so how about trading up to a 300 tdi defender or discovery?

Hard decisions for you.

[akelly]

Try the Castlemaine Rod Shop for your engine mounts - they do the kits and will probably be able to provide the mounts. I think Marks 4wd Adaptors used to do a kit also, maybe chase them up?

Its important to get the mounts exactly right, otherwise you will chew up uni joints like there is no tomorrow.

Do you have the clutch set up which uses the landy clutch? You DONT want the one that uses the holden clutch - it wont last long.

Cheers,

[dolphint]

Mick, I might be able to assist with the mounts PM me Steve.

[JDNSW]

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The 200 tdi engine is getting a bit old now so how about trading up to a 300 tdi defender or discovery?
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The 200Tdi has the advantage that the engine mounts and bell housing match the 2.25 - which simplifies things a bit. As commented above, the 200Tdi is simply a development of the 2.25, whereas the 300 is a redesign, among other points intended to make it so the same engine could be used in the Disco and Defender, not requiring two versions as was the case with the 200.

John

[Fusion]

it's got the landy clutch and presure plates .I had made my own engine mounts out of thick angle iron but from what you guys are saying they probably won't pass the roadworthy . I'll have to give the rod shop a ring :)

[akelly]

Mate, there's nothing to say your mounts wouldn't pass... best bet is to take them to a IAME registered Automotive Engineer and get them to have a look - they will soon tell you if they are any good.

The ones in my ute are welded up from plate also. I didn't do the conversion, so I dont know if they are home made or not. The point is that they are up to the task - verified by an engineer.

Before shelling out for new ones, I'd get yours checked out - its always nice to have stuff you've made on your car :)

[scrambler]

I can remember seeing an ad for a genuine Land Rover factory re-engine scheme. Must have been early-mid 90's? In the UK you could buy a new TDi motor and have it fitted by Land Rover. I guess they had more motors than they could fit in bodies!