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incisor
17th August 2007, 02:20 PM
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2007/08/178.jpg
gotta love it....
defender90
17th August 2007, 02:35 PM
whats your windows experiance index base score
i find vista can be a pain in the butt about 60% of the time
p38arover
17th August 2007, 02:46 PM
I wish I knew what the image is about. :(
Ron
Rovernaut
17th August 2007, 03:03 PM
A lot of those desktop features in Vista do look very much like copies of stuff that linux distros had developed.
I suppose MS would run out of original ideas sometime:D:p:p:p
only thing is MS charge for the privilige of having something that is avail for free
There was even story about a geek who setup linux to look like Vista and no one knew it wasn't Vista
defender90
17th August 2007, 03:04 PM
vista is just an expensive version of linux:)
incisor
17th August 2007, 03:17 PM
actually MAC had them LONG before the *nix boys attempted to clone them which is ages before mickeysoft did the vista impersonation.
gnome and kde both impersonate aqua and os/2 to some degree, kde especially....
JDNSW
17th August 2007, 03:33 PM
A lot of those desktop features in Vista do look very much like copies of stuff that linux distros had developed. ............
Maybe that explains why I could not see what the picture was about!
John
LoveMyV8County
17th August 2007, 10:48 PM
I suppose MS would run out of original ideas sometime:D:p:p:p
Hmm... yeah...
Word - came from Xerox PARC
Excel - written to compete with existing products such as Lotus 123
MS-DOS - bought from Seattle Computer Products
Windows - followed the path taken by Apple and others
SQL Server - bought in originally (from Sybase)
landyfromanuthaland
17th August 2007, 10:53 PM
Whatsa a linux and vista? computors really suck bags big time
p38arover
17th August 2007, 11:33 PM
Hmm... yeah...
Word - came from Xerox PARC
Excel - written to compete with existing products such as Lotus 123
It annoyed me when OTC moved to MS products.
I had to learn Excel - I was a Lotus 123 user. Actually I had been a VisiCalc user in the days of the TRS80. VisiCalc was the first spreadsheet - even before Lotus 123
For word processing I used Lazy Writer (TRS80) then moved to Word Perfect on the PC but had to move to bloody MS Word!
Ron
tombraider
17th August 2007, 11:45 PM
It annoyed me when OTC moved to MS products.
I had to learn Excel - I was a Lotus 123 user. Actually I had been a VisiCalc user in the days of the TRS80. VisiCalc was the first spreadsheet - even before Lotus 123
For word processing I used Lazy Writer (TRS80) then moved to Word Perfect on the PC but had to move to bloody MS Word!
Ron
It's ok Ron...
I'm sure you survived....
After-all, the transition from Slate to Biro didn't seem to phase you :p
p38arover
17th August 2007, 11:46 PM
It's ok Ron...
I'm sure you survived....
After-all, the transition from Slate to Biro didn't seem to phase you :p
Biro?
I use a fountain pen. Seriously.
Ron
tombraider
17th August 2007, 11:56 PM
Biro?
I use a fountain pen. Seriously.
Ron
Still an advancement! Stops the feather tickling your nose!
HangOver
18th August 2007, 12:18 AM
Hmm... yeah...
Word - came from Xerox PARC
Windows - followed the path taken by Apple and others
And Apple and others stole the GUI concept from Xerox ;)
Oh.....and the mouse !
JDNSW
18th August 2007, 05:58 AM
The computer industry works the same way as the car industry - everyone copies everyone else to the extent they can get away with, with very few original ideas anywhere - most good ideas gradually get widespread adoption after the patent expires!
John
incisor
18th August 2007, 09:57 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_graphical_user_interface
it has some errors in it but mostly has it down pat..
disco2hse
18th August 2007, 10:39 AM
Still an advancement! Stops the feather tickling your nose!
patically nasty weather, ain't it :D:D;)
disco2hse
18th August 2007, 10:40 AM
And Apple and others stole the GUI concept from Xerox ;)
Oh.....and the mouse !
Uh, no. They bought it.
p38arover
18th August 2007, 10:41 AM
particularly nasty weather, ain't it :D:D;)
I thought of that immediately I saw the feather comment. :D
Ron
shorty943
18th August 2007, 12:04 PM
vista is just an expensive version of linux:)
That man there, wash your mouth.:p
JDNSW
18th August 2007, 12:18 PM
That man there, wash your mouth.:p
No, not an expensive version of Linux, just an expensive version of Windows tricked up to look like Linux.
John
shorty943
18th August 2007, 12:36 PM
Good afternoon JD.
Winslows could never look like Linux, but we can make Linux look and work like almost any thing else.
I had a quick play with PClinuxOS Ver 1 last night. Quite nice, smooth fast responsive. Another brownie point earned for the open source and free software foundation.
Nathan
18th August 2007, 01:47 PM
actually MAC had them LONG before the *nix boys attempted to clone them which is ages before mickeysoft did the vista impersonation.
gnome and kde both impersonate aqua and os/2 to some degree, kde especially....
That must be why Mac's have such great market share - oh sorry that's PC's... :wasntme:
N
Mick-Kelly
18th August 2007, 02:29 PM
toyotas have an enormous market share, doesn't mean they are any good though :p
tombraider
18th August 2007, 03:35 PM
That must be why Mac's have such great market share - oh sorry that's PC's... :wasntme:
N
Actually it has more to do with Apples policy.
To maintain quality etc, Apple never released the rights for generic manufacturing of their systems, instead retaining full control of their manufacturing and programming.
IBM however, allowed "brown box" compatible systems...
The ONLY piece of software that ever causes my Mac grief is Entourage for Mac.... (Microslop)
Otherwise the system is incredibly stable.....
Common does not = Quality
And for the record... Apples market share is jumping daily as people turn away from bloated, resource hungry rubbish like Microsoft...
And as Linux becomes more common place people are closing the borders between the systems....
Lets face it, a X86 or X86_64 is still a 15irq limited box.
utilising architecture designed in the 70's/80's....
Its like VHS... Crap... But blew the superior Beta out of the water.....
dullbird
18th August 2007, 03:56 PM
i know that mac's are great for design work etc etc
and that they are stablein comparison to windows but i used mac's at college for my design work and i hated them
apart from the errors etc on windows i would have a windows based computer anyday
Nathan
18th August 2007, 04:26 PM
Actually it has more to do with Apples policy.
To maintain quality etc, Apple never released the rights for generic manufacturing of their systems, instead retaining full control of their manufacturing and programming.
IBM however, allowed "brown box" compatible systems...
The ONLY piece of software that ever causes my Mac grief is Entourage for Mac.... (Microslop)
Otherwise the system is incredibly stable.....
Common does not = Quality
And for the record... Apples market share is jumping daily as people turn away from bloated, resource hungry rubbish like Microsoft...
And as Linux becomes more common place people are closing the borders between the systems....
Lets face it, a X86 or X86_64 is still a 15irq limited box.
utilising architecture designed in the 70's/80's....
Its like VHS... Crap... But blew the superior Beta out of the water.....
I love getting Mac people all worked up! :) They're more passionate than Land Rover owners...:angel:
tombraider
18th August 2007, 07:30 PM
I love getting Mac people all worked up! :) They're more passionate than Land Rover owners...:angel:
Nup, not worked up, just facts....
We have:
1 MBP
1 iMac
2 Tablet PCs
1 Tower Pc
2 Linux PC
1 Laptop PC
4 ipaqs
So theres some mix there...
The mac "just works"
It is so nice not to need a driver CD every 10 minutes :D
HangOver
18th August 2007, 08:05 PM
Uh, no. They bought it.
Macintosh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Macintosh) teams at Apple Computer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Computer) (which included former members of the Xerox PARC group) continued to develop such ideas. The Macintosh, released in 1984 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984), was the first commercially successful product to use a GUI.
Hmmm Ok then ;)
HangOver
18th August 2007, 08:08 PM
No, not an expensive version of Linux, just an expensive version of Windows tricked up to look like Linux.
John
Don't ya just think Linux is just a "wanna be" windows?
MAC= traditionall design work
linux= geeks/nerds and IT people
windows = all things to everyone
:D
Mick-Kelly
18th August 2007, 09:29 PM
Don't ya just think Linux is just a "wanna be" windows?
MAC= traditionall design work
linux= geeks/nerds and IT people
windows = all things to everyone
:D
i got so jacked off with winblows crashing anf freezing up on me that i tried ubuntu linux. Haven't looked back since and since installing the linux OS i have not once had to force myself not to throw the computer through a window. If a no nothing Luddite like me can happily use it then i wouldn't call it geeks/nerds and IT people. I would call it a viable alternative that comes in at a staggering $0
HangOver
18th August 2007, 09:33 PM
my laptop has XPpro and I have owned it for 11 months it runs at least 5 hrs a day and I have never had reboot, well one or twice when a game crashed but I think that was the game not windows
disco2hse
19th August 2007, 05:57 AM
Nup, not worked up, just facts....
Yeah, wait till he really gets worked up :eek::wasntme:
disco2hse
19th August 2007, 06:04 AM
Don't ya just think Linux is just a "wanna be" windows?
No more than X. fvwm95 was dressed up to resemble Win95 simply give newer users a familiar interface.
You can't get a more different user interface from W$nblows than Windowmaker (my preferred interface).
windows = all things to everyone
Which is the problem really, isn't it? Systems that are specifically designed for a defined purpose are slimmer and likely to be more stable.
shorty943
19th August 2007, 11:01 AM
Don't ya just think Linux is just a "wanna be" windows?
MAC= traditionall design work
linux= geeks/nerds and IT people
windows = all things to everyone
:D
Sorry, but the only thing you got right there is the MAC comment.
That is however only my opinion. And yes, I still have one machine running Winslows XP Pro SP2, strictly for gaming.
All the rest of my machines run some form of Linux, even the laptop I am writing this post on, is set up as a SERVER.:o
It is an Acer Aspire 3002, AMD Sempron chip at 2800 Mhz, and under Linux it is faster than the big bugger AMD Athlon 64 bit 3800, that runs XP. And even that, is set up to dual boot Winslows and Linux, but only for another 2 weeks, then it gets rebuilt for Linux only.
Windows all things to every one? NO, windows, is merely the best system for most people, that is all. No more than that.
Linux only for "geeks"? That is a bit dismissive isn't it?
And now with Gimp, the GNU Image Manipulation Package, any machine becomes a design platform. At least graphically.
But, each is entitled to their own opinions. Enjoy your MAC's folks, I never got on with them myself, but, there is no doubting their solidity.
But, for this ex-serviceman pensioner, Linux IS the best OS. It is cheap, runs on any hardware, (Mac's, PS2, Xbox, LG fridges, IBM S series mainframes, you name it Linux runs on it) it is stable and responsive, it never needs multi reboots due to system updates, and the only thing it can't do, that windows can, is play ginky little windows computer games.
And just for the hell of it, this is my Linux desktop graphic.
Tux the Penguin with a fly swatter. Eyeing off the Winslows TM device.:p
Rovernaut
19th August 2007, 04:33 PM
As I said before Windows steals ideas from other OS's, have a look at Incisors pics, They are even calling the what used to be 'Administrator', is now called 'ROOT' ......:p:p:p:p:p:pLOL
shorty943
22nd August 2007, 08:44 PM
Yep, good old Microsloth, they sure are innovators.
Email from ZDNet tech news, yesterday, out of 14 security patches released by Microsoft last week, 1 had already been re-hacked yesterday.:(
Might be time to double check Ubuntu as well. Their server was hacked a couple of weeks ago. A generic install of Linux can be just as insecure as Windows.
JDNSW
22nd August 2007, 09:20 PM
The July Linux Format has a comparison of different distributions - one comparison is security (all using default install), and here, for example, the number of ports left open varied from 0 (Fedora, Suse, Mandriva, Ubuntu) to 5 (Slackware).
John
incisor
23rd August 2007, 06:48 AM
A generic install of Linux can be just as insecure as Windows.
geez when i say that i get dirty looks and a PM box full of nasty notes.. hope you fair better :P
Captain_Rightfoot
23rd August 2007, 07:19 AM
Yeah... MACS RULE!! :D:D
Now that I've got that out of the way, I see you're using Ultra Edit Dave. I use it at work and LOVE it. All our development team use it, and whenever someone from outside see's it in action they end up being converts too :)
djhampson
24th August 2007, 12:20 PM
Windows is like a Land Rover.... they might not be completely reliable (but both have been getting a lot better) but when you actually want to do something... it can be done.
incisor
24th August 2007, 12:27 PM
Now that I've got that out of the way, I see you're using Ultra Edit Dave. I use it at work and LOVE it. All our development team use it, and whenever someone from outside see's it in action they end up being converts too :)
been using it for donkeys years, since when i was programming in rexx...
nice app, latest version has a hiccup in vista but still rules...
cartm58
24th August 2007, 02:10 PM
when my pc died in the **** and l had to replace my video card, power source, and they re-formatted the hard drive after saving the data, thet echs would only re-load the data not the software.
which was a big favour as l took the opporutnity to load open office instead of re-loading micro soft office
and instead of outlook and explorer l run mozilla thunderbird and sunbird
l hate windows and microsoft
next computer will be an imac
shorty943
24th August 2007, 09:59 PM
geez when i say that i get dirty looks and a PM box full of nasty notes.. hope you fair better :P
Umm, not yet, oops. Just saw a PM in my inbox.
Must check. Back soon.
Nope, no flames.
Just Pedro, wishing me luck finding a RR to rebuild my S3.Thanks mate, sorry, but a bit rich for my blood at the moment.
tombraider
24th August 2007, 09:59 PM
Windows is like a Land Rover.... they might not be completely reliable (but both have been getting a lot better) but when you actually want to do something... it can be done.
Thats insulting
JDNSW
2nd September 2007, 08:30 AM
For those interested - in PCWorld
"HP Ships Red Hat PC in Australia
A new low-cost desktop bundle runs Red Hat Enterprise and is aimed at small and medium-size businesses."
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,136692-c,redhat/article.html
John
shorty943
5th September 2007, 08:56 PM
Add IBM/Lenovo, Dell, Acer.
More and more vendors giving the option of Linux.
More new low cost PC's coming out as well.
disco2hse
6th September 2007, 04:55 AM
If you want to install Linux onto a new system, just get a white box. You can get the hardware you want, you don't pay the badge fees on labelled boxes and you don't have to pay for unnecessary Windows licenses.
Then again, buy a Mac. Leopard is now the fourth certified Unix operating system. (http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/tech/1316CD3A989265A4CC2573330004FAF6?Opendocument&HighLight=2,leopard) That means all the others, including SCO (amusing fact that) aren't certified.
rogerb
18th September 2007, 08:09 PM
Geez Ron,
Makes me feel young when you talk like that.
Do you remember Qbasic??
Still think that Linux is the way to go.
Dodge
Bytemrk
18th September 2007, 10:35 PM
As I said before Windows steals ideas from other OS's, have a look at Incisors pics, They are even calling the what used to be 'Administrator', is now called 'ROOT' ......:p:p:p:p:p:pLOL
Think you might find if you look closer... the "Root" in that window has nothing at all to do with windows...
No Root acount in Vista.... looks like a terminal session to a linux box or something similar...;)( too blurry to be sure..)
Mark
MickS
18th September 2007, 11:16 PM
My new 13" macbook is brilliant. No problems getting my head around OSX - its easier i think. Love the dashboard, widgets etc.....should have bought one ages ago. When the desktop carks it again, hello iMac...
Captain_Rightfoot
19th September 2007, 02:36 AM
My new 13" macbook is brilliant. No problems getting my head around OSX - its easier i think. Love the dashboard, widgets etc.....should have bought one ages ago. When the desktop carks it again, hello iMac...
The battle with PC users is getting them to....
A) Admit they have a problem.
B ) Getting them to have a drive of a mac.
:)
p38arover
19th September 2007, 02:44 AM
I've driven the Mac with OS X (wife has one) and I can't fathom it. It's too damn difficult to use so I avoid it like the plague.
Windows is much easier.
Ron
disco2hse
19th September 2007, 05:44 AM
I've driven the Mac with OS X (wife has one) and I can't fathom it. It's too damn difficult to use so I avoid it like the plague.
Windows is much easier.
Ron,
Maybe you're trying too hard. Windows makes you do things with the OS on a fairly regular basis, but with the Mac one just starts the app and works. If anything it's a little boring (probably why I spend so much time here :D)
I regularly use Windows, Mac OS X, Free BSD, Linux, but my preferred system is the Mac.
Oh, and by the way - Leopard has been certified (http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/tech/1316CD3A989265A4CC2573330004FAF6?Opendocument&HighLight=2,certified,unix) as a Unix OS. It is only the third OS to be certified as such, joining the heady, big iron ranks of AIX, Solaris, and HP-UX.
Captain_Rightfoot
19th September 2007, 07:04 AM
I've driven the Mac with OS X (wife has one) and I can't fathom it. It's too damn difficult to use so I avoid it like the plague.
Windows is much easier.
Ron
When you switch off PC's to a Mac there is a period of horror. For me it lasted two nights. It doesn't look like you made it through that. I reckon with you and your mac for 1 hour I could cover everything you needed to know to get well underway.
Also, the tendency for pc users is to look for hard ways to do things. They look, and can't find them and get frustrated. That's because a **really** easy way was looking them in the face. :eek:
How do you mail a link to someone with a pc? Click the link. Then go into the location bar, highlight it, and copy it. Then open your mail program, open a new message, and paste it in. How do you do it on a mac? Click and hold the link and drag it over the mail icon. Mail opens up with a new message open and the link in the message. Just address it and add comments :):o
I've had these things for 2 years now and I'm still finding surprise and delight features. I was playing music through itunes last night on my stereo when I called you Ron. When I hit dial it muted the music and paused it in itunes. When I hung up it hit play for me and my music was back on. :)
cdrtravis
12th October 2007, 12:07 PM
To maintain quality etc, Apple never released the rights for generic manufacturing of their systems, instead retaining full control of their manufacturing and programming.
What about the Mac clones built in the '90s under license by UMAX, Power Computing and Motorola?
disco2hse
12th October 2007, 12:23 PM
What about the Mac clones built in the '90s under license by UMAX, Power Computing and Motorola?
That was an aberration and a really stupid decision that was made as part of a last gasp attempt at appealing to PC users and PC hardware manufacturers. All they succeeded in doing was fragmenting their own market, alienating core users, and failing at trying to take on MS at their own game. Apple was nearly against the wall, to the extent that MS invested 150m to keep them afloat. Remember that soon after that Jobs was welcomed back and the rest, as they say, is history. Apple started out making hardware running proprietary systems and that is where their strength always lay, that is where they are still successful.
Oh, and they never released core system components, which is why most of those clones were failures.
HangOver
12th October 2007, 12:54 PM
Originally Posted by tombraider https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/08/768.jpg (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/showthread.php?p=585125#post585125)
To maintain quality etc, Apple never released the rights for generic manufacturing of their systems, instead retaining full control of their manufacturing and programming.
Their single biggest mistake I think
Well that and building the MAC in the first place. :D
Lets face it though in the early days Apple computers, (why does everyone insist on calling them MAC's?) were technically streets ahead of everything else; both OS and architecture. Now they are essentially a "pretty" looking PC with a different OS.
Nothing special at all and I would suggest that it's only the nostalgic and the iPod brigade that are keeping them alive now.
tombraider
12th October 2007, 01:32 PM
Originally Posted by tombraider https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/08/768.jpg (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/showthread.php?p=585125#post585125)
To maintain quality etc, Apple never released the rights for generic manufacturing of their systems, instead retaining full control of their manufacturing and programming.
Their single biggest mistake I think
Well that and building the MAC in the first place. :D
Lets face it though in the early days Apple computers, (why does everyone insist on calling them MAC's?) were technically streets ahead of everything else; both OS and architecture. Now they are essentially a "pretty" looking PC with a different OS.
Nothing special at all and I would suggest that it's only the nostalgic and the iPod brigade that are keeping them alive now.
Your messing with us right?
Macs have NO IRQ issues, never have....
Have stable architecture, full standards complaince and dont suffer from nostalgic restrictions like BIOS and limited IRQ access
They are efficient, well designed and use a superior integration of their core components to provide a stable and seamless performance.
Combine that with the ultimate in user friendly OS... And your on a winner...
I taught my old man to do web sites, send email and manipulate photos (enough for his needs) on a mac in 20 minutes...
It has taken me years to even get him close to doing email and photo manipulation/handling on a PC.
He's even made a few DVDs of his trips now, with sound track, video and stills...
All from the stock standard OS....
cdrtravis
12th October 2007, 01:32 PM
For a start it's Mac, not MAC. As in short for Macintosh. Many people refer to Apple computers as Macs because for a long time that has been the family name for most of the models Apple make or have made, those being the original Macintosh, the eMac, iMac, Power Mac, Mac Mini, Mac Pro and MacBook.
To suggest that building the Mac in the first place was a mistake and to add that now the computers are nothing special at all... well, I'll leave other users of Apple computers to flame you.
cdrtravis
12th October 2007, 01:34 PM
Oh, I see the flaming has already begun. This is what happens when you stir up Mac fans...
disco2hse
12th October 2007, 02:06 PM
Now now guys. He's just trolling :rolleyes:
Saw the post and thought, "nah, no different from a toybota driver dissing a Landie"
incisor
12th October 2007, 02:07 PM
history shows its always the insecure ones that do the trolling.... ;)
Rovernaut
12th October 2007, 02:16 PM
history shows its always the insecure ones that do the trolling.... ;)
Trolling is sometimes better than baiting, it catches more fish:D:D:D:p:p:p
incisor
12th October 2007, 02:19 PM
Trolling is sometimes better than baiting, it catches more fish:D:D:D:p:p:p
so i see
:D
HangOver
12th October 2007, 04:33 PM
Macs have NO IRQ issues, never have....
Have stable architecture, full standards complaince and dont suffer from nostalgic restrictions like BIOS and limited IRQ access
I work in IT support and it must have been about the late 80's last time I had an IRQ conflict.
They are efficient, well designed and use a superior integration of their core components to provide a stable and seamless performance.
They use Core2 processors :same as a PC
They use SATA drives : same as a PC. Do they use SATA3 yet, PC's do.
They use DDR RAM : same as a PC. Do they use DDR3 ram yet, PC's do..
Superior -> how?
Mind you they do make a nice looking box to put it all in.
Combine that with the ultimate in user friendly OS... And your on a winner...
Installation wise I would say Ubuntu is easier and quicker that both MS & Apple.
As for ease of use, it's what you get used to.
It has taken me years to even get him close to doing email and photo manipulation/handling on a PC.
This isn't meant to sound offensive but maybe if you were more proficient in the use of a PC you could depart than knowledge more easily.
I used to teach IT to classes of retired people and found they would pick it up quite easily.
Maybe the tutor rather than the pupil?
To suggest that building the Mac in the first place was a mistake and to add that now the computers are nothing special at all... well, I'll leave other users of Apple computers to flame you.
Oops sorry that wasn't how it was supposed to sound what I mean is that their mistake was not building it but rather than making it proprietary thus stunting it's development and acceptance.
history shows its always the insecure ones that do the trolling.... ;)
I'm quite secure mate, I'm at the other end of a DSL line ;)
I'm not trying to pi$$ people off, I can be open minded about technology I don't need to defend or be offensive about PC's - Apple - Linux. The facts speak for themselves.
Nathan
12th October 2007, 04:43 PM
The thing that get's me is you can run Windows/PC emulation on your Mac but I've never seen a Mac emulator for a PC.
What does that tell you?...:wasntme:
Quarks
12th October 2007, 05:15 PM
that you haven't done a quick web search for one!
:p
I recommend windows, mac and linux...
Windows on my computer (specialised needs as it's a tablet pc :cool:)
Mac for people who want a computer to work and are sick of BSODs, things breaking badly and generally going slow. I look after a small network of them, they just work happily. :)
Linux, well, mostly toy value, but if your little brother is an open source fanatic :o (he hasn't yet seen the real world!). I'd probably run it if I ever got a desktop again.
Anyway, each to their own, and whatever works best.
:)
Bytemrk
12th October 2007, 06:37 PM
The thing that get's me is you can run Windows/PC emulation on your Mac but I've never seen a Mac emulator for a PC.
What does that tell you?...:wasntme:
It tells you that MAC OS is designed ONLY to run onselect set of hardware Approved by Apple.... unlike other OS's
By the way... I have Mac OSX running in a virtual machine on a PC... so it can be done.
I'm not pro or against MAC... I work with MAC OSX, a variety of Windows versions and several Linux variants on a daily basis... so all the mud slinging makes me giggle..
They all have their strengths and weaknesses... and just like most other things in life what is right for me will not be right for someone else.
One of the developers at work... creates and publishes electronic music as a hobby (In fact he is making a nice little earer out of it).. He also works all day on MS Dot Net developement and SQL databases.
MAC is perfect for his music work.... but no so much use for his developement work.
He has just bought a Mac Book Pro and runs his development environment inside VMware....
For all those PC lovers that hate MACs... I have to say... it is VERY impressive what can be done with this thing..
Even contemplated one my self..... the I looked at the price and realised my new high end Dell Precision cost me about $1700 less :eek::eek: ( his is 17" and mine is 15"... but I travel enough that 17' would become a problem :bat:)
Now.. to sit back and watch the battles continue..:p
Mark
Captain_Rightfoot
12th October 2007, 07:14 PM
Yeah... whatever.
I work in it on windows every day. I come home to my mac and it's a pleasure to use. And I don't have to put up with viruses ... spyware.. and my favourite - the yearly OS re-build.
It is expensive, but it's high end hardware. My mate was sitting next to me with his dell laptop the other day. The screen on my mac laptop is several shades brighter and clearer.
tombraider
12th October 2007, 07:17 PM
This isn't meant to sound offensive but maybe if you were more proficient in the use of a PC you could depart than knowledge more easily.
I used to teach IT to classes of retired people and found they would pick it up quite easily.
Maybe the tutor rather than the pupil?
Hmm..
If I wasnt a MCSE, or had trained the IT lecturer at TAFE last year maybe :cool:
tombraider
12th October 2007, 07:21 PM
I work in IT support and it must have been about the late 80's last time I had an IRQ conflict.
Even though the IRQ conflicts dont occur its amazing how different components in the wrong slots can affect performance of the system...
Often playing with the locations of cards results in performance gains...
I also run Ubuntu, nice but certainly not as easy to setup as OS X...
cdrtravis
12th October 2007, 09:29 PM
They use Core2 processors :same as a PC
They use SATA drives : same as a PC. Do they use SATA3 yet, PC's do.
They use DDR RAM : same as a PC. Do they use DDR3 ram yet, PC's do..
Superior -> how?
Yes, Macs now use Intel processors. As IBM couldn't deliver the performance needed from their PowerPC G5 processors, there was little choice. It's certainly something that has upset the Mac purists. I think it is a good thing.
I assume by SATA3, you mean SATA 3Gb/s, otherwise known as SATA II, in which case they do. That said, apart from supporting NCQ, there's not much advantage over SATA 1.5Gb/s as no commercially available hard-drive has a sustainable transfer rate that can reach the available throughput of SATA II (or that of SATA 1.5Gb/s for that matter).
Why use DDR3? The latencies are too high at the moment making DDR2 still the best choice. Right now a PC using DDR3 will be outclassed by one using DDR2. Once DDR3 improves, then Apple will use it.
Superior? The OS is the main advantage, and has been for many years. That and the fact that Apple control both the core hardware and the core software means the user experience is often less troublesome than that of a PC. Also, the design and build of the machines is generally to a higher standard than PCs. That said, Apple have had some problems with their notebooks, which they have tried to pretend don't exist. Sounds a bit like some car manufacturers!
You're right about IRQ conflicts. I think the last time I had to deal with one was around 1994!
disco2hse
13th October 2007, 03:57 AM
One of the developers at work... creates and publishes electronic music as a hobby (In fact he is making a nice little earer out of it).. He also works all day on MS Dot Net developement and SQL databases.
MAC is perfect for his music work.... but no so much use for his developement work.
Only because .Net is a MS development tool.
XCode provides a very full development environment. OS X is similar other BSD systems except that it has Aqua for window management. I often use it for Oracle development and run SQL*Plus from the command line. And having all the *nix development tools at your disposal means you can write in pretty much any language you want without the hassle of having DLLs and things missing (drives me nuts if I want to compile code on Windows that I've got from someone else - even more annoying than lib versionitis on Red Hat and its derivatives that use rpm's).
You aren't stuck with Aqua though, any of the X Windows environments will run fine and periodically I use WindowMaker to run X apps.
"One of the developers at work... creates and publishes electronic music as a hobby (In fact he is making a nice little earer out of it)" Freudian slip? Sorry,couldn't let that'n pass ;)
Bytemrk
13th October 2007, 12:25 PM
Only because .Net is a MS development tool.
XCode provides a very full development environment. OS X is similar other BSD systems except that it has Aqua for window management. I often use it for Oracle development and run SQL*Plus from the command line. And having all the *nix development tools at your disposal means you can write in pretty much any language you want without the hassle of having DLLs and things missing (drives me nuts if I want to compile code on Windows that I've got from someone else - even more annoying than lib versionitis on Red Hat and its derivatives that use rpm's).
You aren't stuck with Aqua though, any of the X Windows environments will run fine and periodically I use WindowMaker to run X apps.
"One of the developers at work... creates and publishes electronic music as a hobby (In fact he is making a nice little earer out of it)" Freudian slip? Sorry,couldn't let that'n pass ;)
Don't get me wrong Disco2hse, I'm NOT anti MAC, or anti Linux.... I work for an aussie company that is now part of a very large multinational group, about 90% of the systems I am responsible for are Microsoft based... that is why that part of our developement team use the MS tools... I also support a bunch of Linux servers and a graphics studio full of G5 MACs.
My main point to those trolling is that what is better .... depends on the application...
Would I use a PC in our graphics studio...don't be silly.
Would I justify the cost of MAC for our data entry staff or call centres... of course not!
Horses for coarses....
What do I use? Dell precision M4300..... dual boot Ubuntu / Vista at the moment. ( And yes, Captain Rightfoot - the screen is very close in brightness and clarity to my mates MAC book Pro;).. it not the crap screen they put in the consumer Dells.)
What do I have for my kids to learn on here at home... PC running XP and a MAC G4......
Now... better look around for more of those slippery freudian things:p
Mark
p38arover
13th October 2007, 12:30 PM
For a start it's Mac, not MAC. As in short for Macintosh. Many people refer to Apple computers as Macs because for a long time that has been the family name for most of the models Apple make or have made, those being the original Macintosh, the eMac, iMac, Power Mac, Mac Mini, Mac Pro and MacBook.
To suggest that building the Mac in the first place was a mistake and to add that now the computers are nothing special at all... well, I'll leave other users of Apple computers to flame you.
I did play with Lisa a long time back.
Ron
disco2hse
13th October 2007, 01:37 PM
I did play with Lisa a long time back.
Cool :)
32 bits and really really slow :D But the opposition could only offer 7 or 8 bits on DOS (in its various incarnations). ;)
disco2hse
13th October 2007, 01:43 PM
Don't get me wrong Disco2hse, I'm NOT anti MAC, or anti Linux....
Oooh sorry. Didn't want to make look like I was sounding off. Just pointing out why, if he's a .Net specialist, he wouldn't have much use for a Mac.
For myself at home, I am writing this on a G5 Dual. Opposite on another desk is a PC, beside me is a FreeBSD machine, beside that is an old Quadra 650. At work I use various PCs and servers (mostly Linux of various types), but mainly a Powerbook.
Oh, and I do publishing on the PC because Adobe have stopped supporting FrameMaker on the Mac :(
So I guess I'm just an OS sl_t :D
I got starred for using a bad word :eek:
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