Help me Pick which bar to buy

[Maggot4x4]

I need help deciding which bar to buy for the D2.

I travel long distances on country roads, often at dusk/dawn and night. I really like the ARB Sahara bar, but the lack of protection worries me..

Should I go with the Sahara Bar or the Standard ARB winch bar?

Pics below of each (thanks Slunnie and Brooksy)

ARB Standard Winch Bar

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2008/01/672.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Sahara Bar

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2008/01/673.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[The ho har's]

go the ARB standard winch bar ;)

[George130]

I would prefer the standard winch bar. Better protection. A Roo will make a mess of your vehicle. Traveling in the country around dusk on a regular basis makes it more a matter of time than if.

[Slunnie]

I reckon the ARB Sahara bar looks really cool, but for frontal protection they don't come any better than the ARB standard winch bar.

[Maggot4x4]

I reckon the ARB Sahara bar looks really cool, but for frontal protection they don't come any better than the ARB standard winch bar.
Mind you, I don't know if my 12000lb warn will fit in either.

[Slunnie]

Hmmm, it may do, but I'm not sure. I thought the cutout in the PS mount was to fit the gearbox on the 12,000's. It's definately not for the 9000's.

[Fusion]

Go the standard ..... The Sahara bar makes it look like it's from the city and never been off road :wasntme:

[rangieman]

Go the standard bar:D , the other one is for ****** mobiles:p in the city

[tombraider]

Go the one you want...

Neither will prevent a big roo on the outer edges from doing damage....

The std hoops are good for knocking sticks and brush away though...

[JDNSW]

The name says it all - the sahara bar is for use in deserts where there are neither animals nor trees. In fact, I am not sure what the hoop on it is supposed to be for.

John

[awabbit6]

Based on the intended use, it has to be the standard winch bar. I prefer the look of the sahara bar though.

[George130]

Mind you, I don't know if my 12000lb warn will fit in either.
Don't know if they had to make changes but my 12,000 fits in my ARB winch bar.

[Bushwanderer]

It's a form of insurance. Get the best protection.

[flagg]

Go for the standard winch bar.. you can sit on them.
Seriously.. the amount of time I've spent sitting on the bull bar with a cup of tea ;)

[Pedro_The_Swift]

is now a bad time to mention I just bought a TJM bar?:p

[Bytemrk]

Go for the standard winch bar.. you can sit on them.
Seriously.. the amount of time I've spent sitting on the bull bar with a cup of tea ;)


He's right you know.... my son's favorite picnic chair... right between the driving lights..;)

Go the Winch Bar.. I really like the look of the Sahara... but for protection it's chalk and cheese the way I see it.


Mark

[spudboy]

I saw a new V8 Troopie this morning with a Sahara bar with the extra bar work added "on top" to be more like the standard bar. Looked excellent. Best of both worlds.

[roverfj1200]

is now a bad time to mention I just bought a TJM bar?:p

No I have a alum TJM t15 with winch. Love it

Its light and has good protection...

Not may bars will save you from a high speed roo hit and all D2 bars have crush cans that will give on a heavy hit.

I think to that the ARB bar protudes to much..


My 2c

[Ace]

it appears i agree with the majority, in this case maggot, i think functionality overrides looks, second bar simply wouldnt do what you want, if you want frontal protection then a standard ARB winchbar would be my choice.

Or i have a TJM bar and think it looks better than the ARB bar but thats just me. Matt

[100I]

Yup, the standard bar looks the business.
Those are expensive looking headlights if a wallabakangabat takes one out.

And the sahar bar looks ghey full stop.


See, problem solved:D

[Maggot4x4]

is now a bad time to mention I just bought a TJM bar?:p


Yes, but you have a V8 so it's just a "Town Car" :D

Did I mention I have done 450km in it already ad it is still between 1/2 & 3/4 of a tank :p

[Pedro_The_Swift]

yea,, I did 20,000 kays around town last year---:angel:

[dmdigital]

I went the Sahara bar option after some deliberation.

If I hit an animal (most likely buffalo, pig, roo or emu) it ain't going to matter which bar I have on. The standard bar gives a little more brush protection but I find in the scrub up here I need the lower down protection more to push over things. Both are winch capable and the Sahara weighs slightly less.

I used Photoshop to see what it would look like on my Disco.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/https://www.aulro.com/afvb/https://www.aulro.com/afvb/


And here's what it looks like now...
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[twitchy's_boss]

the Sahara looks pretty but that's not what you want it for. i personally would go for the standard better protection not only for the bush but for the idiots on the road too:angel:

[dmdigital]

The sahara gives just as much protection from the oter idiots on the road. It also sticks out a fair way too.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

[quote=dm_td5;599004]





http://www.lrocv.com.au/gallery/albums/userpics/10031/DSCN0646.jpg


can you add black flares and side mouldings??

then change the bar to black?
Please?:angel:

[welshman]

Will the Sahara bar fit a 2000 discoveryII ??

[trev]

I need help deciding which bar to buy for the D2.

I travel long distances on country roads, often at dusk/dawn and night. I really like the ARB Sahara bar, but the lack of protection worries me..

Should I go with the Sahara Bar or the Standard ARB winch bar?

Pics below of each (thanks Slunnie and Brooksy)

ARB Standard Winch Bar

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2008/01/672.jpg http://arb.com.au/land-rover-bull-bar-images/Bullbars_landrover1.jpg

Sahara Bar

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2008/01/673.jpg http://arb.com.au/land-rover-bull-bar-images/landrover_sahara_bar.jpg

I have a TJM bar which is a lot more solid than the ARB. Check them out.

[Outback 1]

imho why would you even bother with a sahara bar it wont protect you from much!;)

[Slunnie]

I have a TJM bar which is a lot more solid than the ARB. Check them out.
From what I've seen in the bush I'm not sure that this is necessarily the case. The ARB's will bend if you smack them hard in the area under the fairlead if you don't have a fairlead in it, but where I've seen the TJM ones bend is in the wing section. I understand that the steel one is stronger than the alloy in this area also. A common comment about the ARB is that it protrudes more than the TJM, which is why the TJM obviously has a greater approach, but that is also what gives the ARB immense strength from impacts.

[tombraider]

I have a TJM bar which is a lot more solid than the ARB. Check them out.

:woot::Rolling::Rolling::Rolling::woot:

Now THATS funny.....

[tombraider]

From what I've seen in the bush I'm not sure that this is necessarily the case. The ARB's will bend if you smack them hard in the area under the fairlead if you don't have a fairlead in it, but where I've seen the TJM ones bend is in the wing section. I understand that the steel one is stronger than the alloy in this area also. A common comment about the ARB is that it protrudes more than the TJM, which is why the TJM obviously has a greater approach, but that is also what gives the ARB immense strength from impacts.

Agree, and if ARB fitted wrong will rotate offroad (fitting issue)...

TJM whilst closer to body also cause damage as per above and at lower speeds due to greater deflection in their design... (Seen it happen)

Also, TJM crush cans not designed for winch so softer and bar collapses easier...

ARB crush cans require a crash pulse of 15000+kg before deformation...


As for Sahara v Std ARB

Sahara protects critical areas (radiator)...

Std provides marginally more scrub protection but a large roo will flatten both if on the corners anyhow... Thats what insurance is for...

If you like the Sahara it will more than suit your needs.

[welshman]

So has anybody got a Sahara bar on a 2000 Discovery

[Slunnie]

Sneigy does. To do it there needs to be some grill trim changes, but he is the man with the tech on the conversion.

[rick130]

:woot::Rolling::Rolling::Rolling::woot:

Now THATS funny.....

I agree.
If he'd been with me and felt the roo strikes I've had with the OE (ARB ) bar on the 'fender he might not say that.
Biggest hit I've had was a genuine 85km/h impact speed on a mid sized Eastern Grey roo front and centre. Luckily the roo was at the lowest point in the hop, and hit right in the centre so the meat of the bar took all the impact, concentrated around the roller fair lead.
Mangled my number plate, dented the steering damper and thankfully no structural damage whatsover, and it was a big hit.

Many, many more smaller hits from 70km/h and down and never a problem.
Can't say the same for the two OE aluminium bars on the current and previous Patrols....

[cucinadio]

::woot::woot::whistling:" Sahara Bar " "Sahara Bar" "Sahara Bar" :clap2::whistling::thumbsup::thumbsup::banana:

[Chucaro]

I would like to know (if someone have the experience in this) at which speed and force of impact the airbag come activated.
I asking that, because if the vehicle fitted with the mentioned bars hit a large roo @ 80 kph and the airbag is activated even if damage is avoided in the critical parts of the vehicle it will be impossible to drive (at least legally)
It is an important point when a expedition vehicle for remote areas is selected.
With or without airbags ?

[cucinadio]

I would like to know (if someone have the experience in this) at which speed and force of impact the airbag come activated.
I asking that, because if the vehicle fitted with the mentioned bars hit a large roo @ 80 kph and the airbag is activated even if damage is avoided in the critical parts of the vehicle it will be impossible to drive (at least legally)
It is an important point when a expedition vehicle for remote areas is selected.
With or without airbags ?


man :D:D:lol::Rolling::Rolling: your going to get someone to agree with your airbag thing arnt you :D,
well how about this u help me get pedro or maggot4x4 to start up the FCLRO and i will agrre with u on the air bag front yhea ????

cheers

[cjc_td5]

I presume you have a D2a with the "pocket" headlights.
When I bought my bar I steered away from the ARB full bar is it appeared that the lower lateral bar obscured the high beam lamp. (This is not an issue with the first series D2 due to the combined headlight.) For that reason I chose a steel TJM bar. Am happy with it except for the fact that in order to fit the fog lights into the bar, they deleted the high lift jack "T" receiver. :mad:

Otherwise go the full bar, it will only take one broken headlight to regret a choice otherwise.

[Chucaro]

man :D:D:lol::Rolling::Rolling: your going to get someone to agree with your airbag thing arnt you :D,
well how about this u help me get pedro or maggot4x4 to start up the FCLRO and i will agrre with u on the air bag front yhea ????

cheers

I am trying my best :D
Did you reed my last post in the "Is this bar legal" ?
Well it is :D:D

[Chucaro]

I presume you have a D2a with the "pocket" headlights.
When I bought my bar I steered away from the ARB full bar is it appeared that the lower lateral bar obscured the high beam lamp. (This is not an issue with the first series D2 due to the combined headlight.) For that reason I chose a steel TJM bar. Am happy with it except for the fact that in order to fit the fog lights into the bar, they deleted the high lift jack "T" receiver. :mad:

Otherwise go the full bar, it will only take one broken headlight to regret a choice otherwise.

I have the Disco 1 1998.
The reason why asked the question it is because it occurred to me what are the implications of a air bag activated in the middle of no where, thats all.
So we protect the vehicle for mechanical damage, but still come inoperative because the bag. That what I woulds like to know about any previous experience with the air bag activated.
I have the reply from Equipe and it is ok to use with my Disco with air bag.
Cheers

[Chucaro]

Bugger :( why have to be ARB only ?

[welshman]

Just hit a roo at 110km nice size on about 5foot 50kg

not much damage he got stuck onder the car for about 50m then popped out looking at the incurance fitting a sahara bar but not shure if they will come to the party to replace just the bumper $1750 will find out Thursday after the assessor has seen it :angel:
http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj209/welshman74/PICT0039.jpg
http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj209/welshman74/PICT0040.jpg
http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj209/welshman74/PICT0038.jpg

[Chucaro]

And this kind of impact did not activated the air bag?
Bugger ! the bumper bar cost more than a good bull bar ?
I am wish you good luck with the insurance, bloody rotten luck.
With my old Fairmont I hit a large roo on the top of his hop and landed in the bonet. The car have a bar but was useless in that occasion :(
We never win

[BigJon]

And this kind of impact did not activated the air bag?



The kind of deceleration required to trigger an airbag will never be provided by a roo. Camel or cow maybe, but a roo doesn't have enough mass to slow the vehicle abruptly enough.

[BigJon]

Go the standard bar:D , the other one is for ****** mobiles:p in the city

There is a Disco II here in Alice with the Sahara bar and I see dm_td5 has one as well. Both are a long way from the city :p.

[Chucaro]

The kind of deceleration required to trigger an airbag will never be provided by a roo. Camel or cow maybe, but a roo doesn't have enough mass to slow the vehicle abruptly enough.

Ok, thanks that was the issue that concern me. If we hit a cow at 100kph will be a very bad news:(
I lost an uncle years ago in Argentina when he hit a horse and it landed on the top of the windscreen. Was terrible :(
I do not think that even air bag will help in a accident like this,
Cheers

[BigJon]

Ihe hit a horse and it landed on the top of the windscreen.

I have seen the results of a Subaru Forester hitting a horse here near Alice Springs. The driver was very lucky to get away with it without serious injury. He was also lucky there was no one in the passenger seat, the roof had opened up about a metre back from the top of the windscreen on the passenger side.

[VladTepes]

The standard bar looks pretty smicko colour coded to a Disco.

As to what the 'loop' on teh Sahara bar is for....

where else could you mount the rod holders ?

[graceysdad]

Any Bar you buy should have the proper stools, ash trays at your feet, decent VB towels on top, a good looking bar chick is a must too, not sure how you fit it all in a Disco, I suggest a mini bar perhaps?

[Chucaro]

Any Bar you buy should have the proper stools, ash trays at your feet, decent VB towels on top, a good looking bar chick is a must too, not sure how you fit it all in a Disco, I suggest a mini bar perhaps?

The good looking bar chick should have large air bags :eek:?

[VladTepes]

VB towels ?! You sicko !!!!! Get XXXX'ed ;)

[Chucaro]

I am not a dirty old man :angel:
Just......me no speki english :(