Coffee, What's what?

[Blknight.aus]

Swmbo asked me a pearler this morning.

Whats the difference between instant, expresso and cappuchino?

I replied Ummmm one makes NATO coffees and the rest are yuppie versions.


after the expected eyes roll and dirty look I was told to give a real answer so I said "ok Dunno I'll google it hang about weve got some coffee drinkers on the forums I'll ask them. So

Whats the difference between instant, Expresso and cappuchino?

[Rayngie]

1, Instand should never be touched under any circumstances, it's old coffee, nothing fresh about it, despite what the packet says, terrible stuff

2, Espresso is a small shot of very fresh, ground coffee, hot water filtered through the coffee, can get all sorts of different coffee beans for this, Espresso basically is Italian for 'quick', it's a morning coffee, a heartstarter if you like, Italians 'pop' in for an espresso on the way to work,it's very strong coffee.

3, Cappuccino is a single shot of coffee, about a 1/3 cup of warm milk, with lots of fluffy stuff on top, covered in eaither chocolate or cinamon flakes for some reason, not very strong, also a morning coffee.

Never but anything from a packet that says 'just like a cappucino'..it will be nothing like a Cappucino..

My favorite is the Flat White, unique to Australia and NZ, if made well, pure coffee heaven..

Ray

[RonMcGr]

Dave,

Instant is a fine powder used by all and sundry, mixed with hot water.

Espresso is finely ground coffee beans, that have hot water forced through the grind, via a machine. It is a concentrate of coffee with hot milk and froth on top. (I drink it daily :) )

Espresso contains approximately twice the caffeine content per volume as regular brewed coffee.

Cappuccini is another form of espresso.
It is the quantity of milk and milk froth that defines other forms of espresso.

What is the best brand ? Who knows, I thing Di Bella, Felici mix from Newstead in Brisbane is ;)

[p38arover]

"Instant" should not be used in conjunction with the word "coffee". It is undrinkable swill.

Espresso (not "expresso" ;)) has been explained above but the meaning is debated.

From wikipedia:



The Italian dictionary "Garzanti"[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espresso#_note-5) (a respected Italian dictionary) clearly states that the origin of the word is from the fact that is prepared on the spot:

Espresso: si dice di cibo o bevanda che viene preparato al momento, su richiesta del cliente: piatto espresso; caffè espresso

Espresso: said of a food or beverage which is prepared in the moment, upon request from the customer, e.g. dish espresso, caffè espresso

The Italian verb "esprimere" of which "espresso" is the past participle, derived from the Latin "ex-premere" (pressed-out) does not have that meaning, Espresso in Italian is also often used with the meaning of fast; examples are "treno espresso" (express train), "espresso" is also the name of a faster delivery type mailing for letters.

Considering that the espresso machine was invented by Gaggia in 1938 and became popular in Milan after WW II, esprimere is still used in Italian to mean pressed or under pressure.

Ron

[x-box]

instant is like going somewhere you don't really want to go - in a toyota rav or something....... you still get there , sort-of

espresso is like going offroad into uncharted exciting territory with the fender - no comparison :eek:

[solmanic]

My favorite is the Flat White, unique to Australia and NZ, if made well, pure coffee heaven..

Only the name "Flat White" is unique to Australia & New Zealand. It is known in other countries as "cafe creme", "cafe au lait" or simply a "cafe latte". In fact, a flat white and cafe latte are THE SAME in every respect, only a latte is served in a tall glass. I'm not sure why having it in a tall glass is so special - maybe it is just for the ladies...

By the way, don't do what we witnessed in Italy and order a "latte" as on American woman did. She complained like hell when the waiter brought her a cup of hot milk - "latte" is just Italian for "milk".

[solmanic]

Cappuccini is another form of espresso.
It is the quantity of milk and milk froth that defines other forms of espresso.

What is the best brand ? Who knows, I thing Di Bella, Felici mix from Newstead in Brisbane is ;)

Cappuccino is derived from the Italian word for "hood" - hence there is a "cap" of milk froth on top.

Best brand of coffee for us is Merlo Private Blend - in Brisbane.

[solmanic]

instant is like going somewhere you don't really want to go - in a toyota rav or something....... you still get there , sort-of

Iterestingly, I will have a cold glass of instant before I have plunger or filter coffee. It is far enough from a "real" coffee that I just mentally treat it as a whole other drink. It is really just coffee flavoured milk then - not too bad as a milkshake even.

[Blknight.aus]

jeeze you guys need to get out field with me.....

you could ring a whole new relm into the "whats the best coffee" debate that happens almost every trip. Nescafe 43 international roast or that wierd stuff we get in the ration packs that so far the best use Ive managed to find for it it lapping valve seats.

[CraigE]

Most decent coffee places do not have flat white listed any more. A latte is usually larger than a flat white and often a flat white does not use steamed milk or is just instant. I am partial to lattes rather than cappucino's and love long Machiatto's.

Only the name "Flat White" is unique to Australia & New Zealand. It is known in other countries as "cafe creme", "cafe au lait" or simply a "cafe latte". In fact, a flat white and cafe latte are THE SAME in every respect, only a latte is served in a tall glass. I'm not sure why having it in a tall glass is so special - maybe it is just for the ladies...

By the way, don't do what we witnessed in Italy and order a "latte" as on American woman did. She complained like hell when the waiter brought her a cup of hot milk - "latte" is just Italian for "milk".

[solmanic]

A latte is usually larger than a flat white and often a flat white does not use steamed milk or is just instant.

Nope - a Latte and Flat White are the same except for what they are served in. I know, I've been trained by an expert. If one's bigger then it's just a product of the cup/glass size - so maybe you will get a bit more milk in a tall one.

Both should be made with steamed milk as that's where all coffees get their heat from. But don't get me started on d***head so-called baristas who make coffee so hot you burn your tongue. It's not tea FFS! And if you ever see someone steaming milk with a thermometer in the jug then walk away... this is a sure sign of an amateur. The milk should be just to the temperature such that you can't hold your hand on the underside of the jug - no hotter. Who needs a thermometer for that?

Maybe we should start a thread for people to post their coffee art... or you could just check out http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl

[solmanic]

Nescafe 43 international roast or that wierd stuff we get in the ration packs that so far the best use Ive managed to find for it it lapping valve seats.

I think that would be Harris - bleagh!!!

[EchiDna]

I dunno where you guys get some of the ideas you do, but the espresso is the basis of all 'proper' coffee. :)

instant need not apply...
cut and paste job with minor editing - can't be bothered to type my own :)

Most coffee drinks start with espresso and espresso is just coffee that is brewed a certain way. It is finely ground to almost a powder then very hot water is forced through the grounds under intense pressure.

Espresso/short black/'expresso' if you must!

Refers to espresso coffee and the secret to good espresso is the extraction time, volume, and golden crema which is a thick light brown layer of frothed coffee oils that float on top of a properly extracted espresso. typically between 30 and 50mls in volume

Ristretto is extracted to a volume of about 25mls. The shorter restricted pour magnifies the essence of the coffee and the chance of any bitter elements being extracted is minimized. If you have ever ordered an espresso shot in Europe they usually serve the ristretto.

Lungo is extracted to a volume of about 50mls.

double espresso is about 60mls volume, using twice as much coffee in the portafilter.
The correct way to serve is to extract it directly into a warmed demitasse cup. The warm demitasse cup will keep the coffee warm and prolong the crema - best enjoyed immediately after brewing.

Espresso Macchiato
The Espresso Macchiato starts with a shot of espresso and then a very small amount of foamed milk is spooned over the shot. Macchiato in Italian means "marked," as the espresso is marked with milk/foam.

Espresso Con Panna
This is an Espresso Macchiato using whipped cream in place of the foamed milk. The drink gets its name Con Panna which means "with cream."

Caffé Americano / Long Black
The Caffé Americano is a drink similar to American brewed coffee. It is made with a single or double shot of espresso combined with about 150-200 mls of hot water out of an espresso machine. The result is a very smooth cup of coffee that is much hotter than brewed coffee.

Cappuccino
Cappuccino is made with a fluffy, wet foam, mixed with espresso coffee upon the pour to create a blend of the two flavors. Cold milk is essential, as is expertise in the foaming process. Cappuccino has a large volume of foam making it a light weight drink and less filling.

Caffé Latté
Caffé Latté is similar to the cappuccino but with much less foam and more steamed milk. A latté is made by holding back the foam with a spoon while pouring the frothed milk from the steaming pitcher. The caffé latté is completed by being topped with a small amount of the held back foam.
Caffé latté gets its name from the addition of coffee to milk. For an iced latté, cold milk is combined with the espresso and then the ice is added.

Long White
Cafe Latte without the foam on top

Caffé Mocha
A caffé mocha is made by adding powdered or chocolate syrup to a hot shot of espresso and blended. Steamed milk is then be added to the espresso-chocolate mixture and usually it is topped with whipped cream.
Iced mochas are made with cold milk and the ice added after the coffee and chocolate have been blended.

[waynep]

no matter what type of coffee you drink, if you really want to make a difference buy Fair Trade coffee.
This means the grower gets paid fairly for the stuff the produce rather than being ripped off by the big companies.
Places like Hudsons and even Coles have it now.

[solmanic]

Caffé latté gets its name from the addition of coffee to milk.

There are two fundamentally different ways to do a Cafe Latte:

A regular latte is done as you said - milk added to coffee.

A layered cafe latte is made by adding the coffee to the milk - gently pouring over the back of a spoon so the layers form.

[solmanic]

Just, whatever you do, don't EVER order a Turkish coffee. This is HORRIBLE as the basically they throw the coffee grounds into the drink and if you get down to the bottom of the glass you get a mouthfull.

[dobbo]

Just, whatever you do, don't EVER order a Turkish coffee. This is HORRIBLE as the basically they throw the coffee grounds into the drink and if you get down to the bottom of the glass you get a mouthfull.



Awesome stuff (if ground and brewed properly in a ibrik) three shots and your flying for at least a day. And you don't drink the last mouthful, but being trained by the best you know that anyway.

[solmanic]

Awesome stuff (if brewed properly) three shots and your flying for at least a day.

Each to his own I guess... I can't stand it, but maybe the ones I've had were not well made - it was in the Czech Republic after all.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

All I can say is that:

Instant isn't coffee in spite of what others say.

Diana

P.S. If I'm going to be addicted to something then It has to be the real thing.
P.P.S. I am not a coffee addict it is just that I find that if I have my morning double short black, my hands don't shake and I don't get a headache! :D:D

[solmanic]

All I can say is that:

Instant isn't coffee in spite of what others say.

We're not disputing this.

[neil 90]

Nope - a Latte and Flat White are the same except for what they are served in. I know, I've been trained by an expert. If one's bigger then it's just a product of the cup/glass size - so maybe you will get a bit more milk in a tall one.

Both should be made with steamed milk as that's where all coffees get their heat from. But don't get me started on d***head so-called baristas who make coffee so hot you burn your tongue. It's not tea FFS! And if you ever see someone steaming milk with a thermometer in the jug then walk away... this is a sure sign of an amateur. The milk should be just to the temperature such that you can't hold your hand on the underside of the jug - no hotter. Who needs a thermometer for that?

Maybe we should start a thread for people to post their coffee art... or you could just check out http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl

sorry mate but your way off on the thermometer thing, if someone jams the steam arm in the jug and walks of then walk away but everyone gauges temp differnt so you should stretch and texture the milk and then use a thermometer to make sure that the temp is consistant every time, there is a world of difference between someone who uses a thermometer to ensure a regular temp and someone who uses it to tell them its ready

[RonMcGr]

or that wierd stuff we get in the ration packs that so far the best use Ive managed to find for it it lapping valve seats.

Oh boy, if that is Army ration pack coffee..yuck!
However the rubbish that came from USA ration packs was far worse.

Ron
(Spent 30 years in the Aust Army)

[EchiDna]

sorry mate but your way off on the thermometer thing, if someone jams the steam arm in the jug and walks of then walk away but everyone gauges temp differnt so you should stretch and texture the milk and then use a thermometer to make sure that the temp is consistant every time, there is a world of difference between someone who uses a thermometer to ensure a regular temp and someone who uses it to tell them its ready

Neil, with only minimal practise your hand will tell you the temperature is right and so you will not need the thermometer - I make my daily latte's 'by hand' so to speak and they are very very consistant. I don't even own a thermometer for milk, it's more important that the steam is the right temp and the pressure is high enough before beginning otherwise you can't stretch the milk and get it 'silky'.

[solmanic]

My point exactly - I see the use of a thermometer as a sign of inexperience or a lack of faith in the barista's own ability to "feel" the correct temperature. I would prefer the time-tested and trusty hand of an expert over the technical accuracy of a thermometer. Of course different baristas are going to feel different temperatures when using their hands, but that's just another reason why some are better than others.

[Ralph1Malph]

Follow me here...
;)When in Penang, Malaysia, I visited a local food strip, the outdoor kind with vendors selling all manor of stuff from the back of three wheeled bikes!
Bought my scoff and backhandedly mentioned that the nosh would be nice with a cappucino. "Can", "Can", uttered the stall vendor and proceeded to retrieve some whole roasted beans from somewhere in his cart. Mortar and pestle appeared and beans were ground. I had yet to agree to a cup!:eek: A very small ramakin sized pot of water was boiled and beans added. Stewed coffee I thought, Seppo style :(.
Then he opens a tin of carnation milk and proceeds to fill something resembling a cocktail shaker, which was placed over the gas burner for a minute or two.:o In goes the stewed brew and he shook the shoot out of it for 30 seconds or so, then he pours into a chipped mug.:mad:
Then some gibberish in Bahasa with the next door stall holder and the man from the next stall brings an open tin of coconut cream and spoons about a half teaspoon right onto the top and stirs gently.
"Cappucino, One Ringit Sir" was the call.
Best damn coffee I had had for ages. Went back every night!
Just goes to show!
BTW, I grew up on Army coffee (still serving) and I think that because of that, I will drink pretty much any coffee as long as its hot!
Ralph

[Blknight.aus]

thats the big difference with NATO coffee, its served tepid at best cause if it was hot you couldnt skull it when you had to go cause you got in a contact or you were about to get caught drinking brew when you were ment to be on picquet...

WIthout fail every time Im on pucka range I only ever get in bun fights the second the boiling water touchs the coffee.

nothin worse than trying to not spill a cups canteen of coffee while blatting away trying to keep the gun in arc unless its trying to hook up a new belt with the same cup of coffee in your non master hand.

[rovercare]

Whats the difference between instant, Expresso and cappuchino?

Nothing, they're all terrible:angel:

[CraigE]

Not disagreeing but as said often steamed milk not used in a flat white (unless at a good coffee shop, and most good coffee shops do not call them flat white anymore now that people know what a latte is). May be different on east coast. I got sick of getting a flat white expecting a latte only to get an instant coffee over here. Nearly all but not all shops over here serve lattes in mug size glasses. Only been to a few that serve them in cup size.
Just got a beaut new dear as the national debt coffe machine at work, so guess where I hang out now? Not as good as a good barrista, but not bad.
Biggest problem I see is overuse of milk to make a larger coffee. If the coffee is going to be in a larger cup or glass as a lot do now to get your business they need to put in more espresso not just milk.
Coffe Cat truck size with a triple shot.MMMM.:D:D

Used to get my coffe by mail before was readily available lcally and even in the triple sealed foil bags you could smell it when you went in to the post office to pick it up.
Damn, another 8hrs WST until the coffee cat opens again.:(


Nope - a Latte and Flat White are the same except for what they are served in. I know, I've been trained by an expert. If one's bigger then it's just a product of the cup/glass size - so maybe you will get a bit more milk in a tall one.

Both should be made with steamed milk as that's where all coffees get their heat from. But don't get me started on d***head so-called baristas who make coffee so hot you burn your tongue. It's not tea FFS! And if you ever see someone steaming milk with a thermometer in the jug then walk away... this is a sure sign of an amateur. The milk should be just to the temperature such that you can't hold your hand on the underside of the jug - no hotter. Who needs a thermometer for that?

Maybe we should start a thread for people to post their coffee art... or you could just check out http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl

[HangOver]

You mean there's a coffee other than instant?

[Lotz-A-Landies]

.... May be different on east coast. I got sick of getting a flat white expecting a latte only to get an instant coffee over here. ...
Was doing a course in an outer Sydney suburb called Toongabbie and was desperate for a half decent coffee. Walking up the main street in a take away was an expresso machine. Great I thought "1 flat white thanks!", unfortunately the woman behind the counter didn't grind fresh beans just scooped the coffee into the filter, O.K. I thought that will be fine. Dripped the coffee into the cup and heated the milk, as I was just taking my first sip I observed the woman removing the filter to clean. There was nothing in it - she had put instant coffee in the filter.

That woman ain't no barista!

Diana

[JohnE]

no matter what type of coffee you drink, if you really want to make a difference buy Fair Trade coffee.
This means the grower gets paid fairly for the stuff the produce rather than being ripped off by the big companies.
Places like Hudsons and even Coles have it now.



whats fair trade coffee?
, does that mean the grower gets 30c a kg for green bean instead of the usual 20c.
In the end someone makes money out of it, and its not the grower
the so called fair trade coffee, sells for the same price as non fair trade coffee.
if the o/s growers got a larger proportion of the green bean rate , they wouldn't still be 3rd world countries.
Over here the green bean in parchment rate is $8 per kg for locally grown. They don't pay that for fair trade.

and here fresh off the tree
coffee cherries, ready to be picked, took this half hour ago.


http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w248/JohnE_1/HomePhotos269.jpg


I knew all the coffee purists would respond in force,
but at the end of the day as someone said its a matter of taste, you drink what you like. Rat pac coffee, is certainly no taste sensation but it serves a purpose.


john

[Snapper]

Cappuccino is derived from the Italian word for "hood" - hence there is a "cap" of milk froth on top


It was actually named after an order of Munks (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/901446/posts).
:)

[EchiDna]

Follow me here...
;)When in Penang, Malaysia, I visited a local food strip, the outdoor kind with vendors selling all manor of stuff from the back of three wheeled bikes!
Bought my scoff and backhandedly mentioned that the nosh would be nice with a cappucino. "Can", "Can", uttered the stall vendor and proceeded to retrieve some whole roasted beans from somewhere in his cart. Mortar and pestle appeared and beans were ground. I had yet to agree to a cup!:eek: A very small ramakin sized pot of water was boiled and beans added. Stewed coffee I thought, Seppo style :(.
Then he opens a tin of carnation milk and proceeds to fill something resembling a cocktail shaker, which was placed over the gas burner for a minute or two.:o In goes the stewed brew and he shook the shoot out of it for 30 seconds or so, then he pours into a chipped mug.:mad:
Then some gibberish in Bahasa with the next door stall holder and the man from the next stall brings an open tin of coconut cream and spoons about a half teaspoon right onto the top and stirs gently.
"Cappucino, One Ringit Sir" was the call.
Best damn coffee I had had for ages. Went back every night!
Just goes to show!
BTW, I grew up on Army coffee (still serving) and I think that because of that, I will drink pretty much any coffee as long as its hot!
Ralph

I gotcha Ralph,
we get the same stuff here in Singapore...
a totally different type of drink, but very nice :)
what you got is called 'kopi si tarik' :D

there is another whole list of coffee (and Tea) variants in the malayan penninsula region :p

[EchiDna]

whats fair trade coffee?
, does that mean the grower gets 30c a kg for green bean instead of the usual 20c.
In the end someone makes money out of it, and its not the grower
the so called fair trade coffee, sells for the same price as non fair trade coffee.
if the o/s growers got a larger proportion of the green bean rate , they wouldn't still be 3rd world countries.
Over here the green bean in parchment rate is $8 per kg for locally grown. They don't pay that for fair trade.


well coffee is the second most traded thing on the planet - by the time it gets to the end user it's probably been bought and sold 30 times! *wishes he could get $8/kg green beans*

fair or not, the world is run by trade, it just means one or two of the middle men are cut out somewhere but the end user still pays the same so who do you reckon is getting the bulk of the 'difference' that fair trade coffee makes? 10:1 says it is the retailer!

[Blknight.aus]

Rat pac coffee, is certainly no taste sensation but it serves a purpose.


john

yes its a wonderfull fine grinding agent when mixed into a paste... :)

Even I draw the line at drinking it.

[JohnE]

well coffee is the second most traded thing on the planet - by the time it gets to the end user it's probably been bought and sold 30 times! *wishes he could get $8/kg green beans*

fair or not, the world is run by trade, it just means one or two of the middle men are cut out somewhere but the end user still pays the same so who do you reckon is getting the bulk of the 'difference' that fair trade coffee makes? 10:1 says it is the retailer!



yes mate know all that, but waynes comment about buying free trade coffee, I think is a bit of a misnomer.

but your right the retailer it the highest marker.
Even those blokes wiht the free trade coffee stands at markets and the like, they still charge the going rate.

i don't sell my bean to anyone, i prefer single origin local to mix and mashed blends.( personal preference)

its a bit like the macadamia industry, this year the grower prices per kg were at the lowest for years, coupled with a bad season. you'd be lucky to get $1 per kg for nut in shell( processor rates) you need at least $2 to cover costs.
the retailers they are still selling for over $30 per kg for nut.
I value added this year and did some market runs, made more for less, worked out really well.

i have a C and B pack in the cupboard my break them open and remind myself what rat pac coffee tastes like.

john

[EchiDna]

yes mate know all that, but waynes comment about buying free trade coffee, I think is a bit of a misnomer.

but your right the retailer it the highest marker.
Even those blokes wiht the free trade coffee stands at markets and the like, they still charge the going rate.


agreed, it's a misnomer in my opinion too!

what percentage of the market sold 'free trade' stuff is genuie you reckon? :p

[JohnE]

Good one monotreme
A great marketing ploy for the gullible, feeling they are helping to properly clothe and feed some 3rd world coffee plantation slave. If they only knew!


john

[shorty943]

I have just put on a fresh brew of Aussie "Organic".
Atherton Table lands? I think?

Old blue enamel "cowboy" type pot on the stove now.:D

[p38arover]

It was actually named after an order of Munks (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/901446/posts).
:)

I thought they were monks. :angel:

Ron

[p38arover]

*wishes he could get $8/kg green beans*

That's about what it costs for green beens in Oz. I buy them. The last lot I got were in the $7.50-$9 range.

Ron

[Blknight.aus]

ok ok ... Im now a yuppie..

I had my first $25 coffee yesterday... Swmbo saw a coffee do hicker at a garage sale for $20 so naturally we had to try it out so on the way home it was into coles for some coffee to put in it.. she got caffee aurora Medaglia (its in a blac ksquare shaped mylarish bag thingy)

Not bad.

so whats the best coffee to run through the do hicker

[Snapper]

I thought they were monks. :angel:

Ron

Yes Monks. :p not munks

[EchiDna]

ok ok ... Im now a yuppie..

I had my first $25 coffee yesterday... Swmbo saw a coffee do hicker at a garage sale for $20 so naturally we had to try it out so on the way home it was into coles for some coffee to put in it.. she got caffee aurora Medaglia (its in a blac ksquare shaped mylarish bag thingy)

Not bad.

so whats the best coffee to run through the do hicker

just think the next one will only cost $12.50 :)

stick a picture of it up Dave so we know what kind of coffee maker you have and can recommend from there... plungers, percolators, drip etc are all likely types but you never know what it might be - got a brand/model?

[EchiDna]

That's about what it costs for green beens in Oz. I buy them. The last lot I got were in the $7.50-$9 range.

Ron

*sigh* I can't even buy Sumatran green beans for that here and Sumatra is literally 50km away

[p38arover]

*sigh* I can't even buy Sumatran green beans for that here and Sumatra is literally 50km away


See http://beanbay.coffeesnobs.com.au/

One needs to buy a few kg to cover the freight (or collect them from the centralised collection points in each capital city). There were a lot more varieties a few weeks back but as they've sold, they've been removed. The next lot will be in a month or so.

Ron

[Blknight.aus]

4247 sorry about the quality of the pic Im down to the cam phone ATM

ok Its a breville unit and it makes a nice coffee (Ok SWMBO can make a nice coffee with it) but in the time it takes me to fire it up pack the little cupy filtery doodad with coffe, make the coffee, froth the milk clean out the filter refill the water thingy on the side I can make and drink a nato nescafe 43.

so couple of questions

1. whats the point of the stainless removeable plate on the top side of it that gets warm? (its immediately above where the filtery doodad locks into place an looks like its ment to be used for something as it has a grip finish on it)

2. how often do you decalify it?

3. what decalcifyer should you use?

4. SWMBO read some of the grinding coffee threads. whats the deal with that action?

5. Who the hell had the time to think up this complicated way of imbibing caffine?

[p38arover]

1. Cup warmer

2. Depends on water hardness in your area. Check Breville site

3. I use a Sunbeam product - available from Myer (not Hobart :() and other places.

4. The experts will advise but the grind needs to suit the type of coffee maker. An espresso machine uses a finer grind than plunger, for example.

5. :D

[RonMcGr]

ok ok ... Im now a yuppie..

I had my first $25 coffee yesterday... Swmbo saw a coffee do hicker at a garage sale for $20 so naturally we had to try it out so on the way home it was into coles for some coffee to put in it.. she got caffee aurora Medaglia (its in a blac ksquare shaped mylarish bag thingy)

Not bad.

so whats the best coffee to run through the do hicker



Dave,

If you are down in Brisbane at any time, go to Di Bella and try the "Felici". Di Bella also give you a compilmentary cup of coffee whilst you are waiting. If you take your coffee machine with you, the will also show you how to use it, free of charge.

Their web site is:
http://dibellacoffee.com.au/

Cheers,
Ron

[Snapper]

3. what decalcifyer should you use?



Vinegar works fine.

[rick130]

Yes Monks. :p not munks


and they have a monastery/hermitage a mere 15-20km from where I sit ATM (the said monks, not the coffee :p)

[solmanic]

It was actually named after an order of Munks (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/901446/posts).
:)

That's interesting since "cappuccio" is Italian for Hood. Maybe this is one of those language coincindences where it got it's name from one source but it has stuck because of the other.

[solmanic]

so couple of questions

Just make sure you keep it CLEAN. Turn it on and flush about a half a cup of water through it before you start doing coffee then make sure you flush some more water through it once you're done. Give the head a good wipe too.

If you keep the machine clean you will not need to decalcify it that often (perhaps every 6 months).

Also, don't rely on the warmer tray at the top to heat your cups/glasses. It's OK in cafes where the cups are there all the time, but at home it is quicker to boil some water in the jug and pour it into the cups.

[landrovermick]

1, Instant should never be touched under any circumstances, it's old coffee, nothing fresh about it, despite what the packet says, terrible stuff


hmm yes you would be from north of the harbour and parramatta river exclusion line... betcha would rather a nice cool chardy to a nice cool beer..... and if it is beer it would be a improrted brand .... none of that home grown stuff... he he he he -

cum on we cant all have top quality roasted bean barista made blends.... ill take mine NATO - 2SM please!

here is one for you all - have we become a nation of Coffee snobs???? 10 years ago Capaccino was something you may have been able to get at a good italian restaurant after dinner..... they werent on every corner - what did all of you - "oh i cant function withiout my mega shot triple soy mocca chino latta with a twist of lemon drinkers" go then?

[p38arover]

cum on we cant all have top quality roasted bean barista made blends.... ill take mine NATO - 2SM please!

Ahh, that's how you drink it! I like my coffee black so instant is pretty gross like that.

Ron

[Blknight.aus]

you know those silly ideas you get when youve got not a lot to do and the wife and kid are in bed and asleep. youve got to wait 20 mins or so for the washing up to soak before you do the dishes...

Did you know you can make a reallly really good milo with a coffee maker? just like your mum used to make with milk onl y boiled in a pot and whisked till itwas frothy then poured over a table spoon of milo and 2 sugars before you sat dwon in front of the wood stove for story time before blowing the candles out and going to bed....

[blitz]

Ok Im a coffee snob and dont give a s&^% about any one elses thoughts on the matter.

Drank instant all my life until I travelled OS had this funny stuff so strong your spoon would melt with enough sugar to run a car for a year and it was in a glass so bloody small it was a nip glass but OMG bliss bliss bliss, heaven, nivana, hell you put in the word you want. it was a version of turkish

I no longer drink instant, prefer water and we all know what fish do it that.

Tried fresh roasted coffee in the hills of Timor ooow now that was nice, then went back to Dilli to blend bloody 43 eowuck or words to that effect. even the average cafe doesnt make real coffee. each coffee we have at home the coffee costs about a dollar per cup. But like a nice wine (yeah yeah compare me to a bloody chardonay drinker) a good coffee is something to be savored. oo oo oo or like a really good scotch savored for the fine complex subtle flavours that are in the drink.

or to put it bluntly Life is to short for bad tea & coffee, bad wine, bad food or bad conversation, coffee is the easiest to get a good brew of.

Blythe

[Snapper]

That's interesting since "cappuccio" is Italian for Hood. Maybe this is one of those language coincindences where it got it's name from one source but it has stuck because of the other.

You're right, it is italian for hood thats where we get the comon name "cap" from, as in baseball cap.
Also Capuchin is any agile intelligent New World monkey of the genus Cebus, inhabiting forests in South America, typically having a cowl of thick hair on the top of the head or a womens hooded cloak. Capuchin is also a friar belonging to a strict and autonomous branch of the Franciscan order. All of these have some sort of a cap.

[JohnE]

That's about what it costs for green beens in Oz. I buy them. The last lot I got were in the $7.50-$9 range.

Ron



Well there you go fair trade prices eh!

same price as the local stuff, we worked it out on an hourly rate versus the amount we harvested, and we would make 20c an hour if we sell it as green bean.
You have to factor in the hand picking, the pulping, the fermenting, the washing, and the sun drying into all that before you bag any of it. You have to pick nearly 2kg of cherry to get 1kg of green bean

All I can say to those of you who are helping prop up multinational coffee houses and adding to the national debt.

Be australian , "Buy Australian'


thank you


john

[JohnE]

1, Instant should never be touched under any circumstances, it's old coffee, nothing fresh about it, despite what the packet says, terrible stuff


hmm yes you would be from north of the harbour and parramatta river exclusion line... betcha would rather a nice cool chardy to a nice cool beer..... and if it is beer it would be a improrted brand .... none of that home grown stuff... he he he he -

cum on we cant all have top quality roasted bean barista made blends.... ill take mine NATO - 2SM please!

here is one for you all - have we become a nation of Coffee snobs???? 10 years ago Capaccino was something you may have been able to get at a good italian restaurant after dinner..... they werent on every corner - what did all of you - "oh i cant function withiout my mega shot triple soy mocca chino latta with a twist of lemon drinkers" go then?



Well put,
btw not everyone north of the parramatta drinks chardonay, technically anywhere north goes to the border.
Hard to get the AJ out of the system eh!

Just had a look at some rat pac coffee i have, its Mansfield and Co Instant, had some MRE pac coffee too, but can't find it.
that must be the el supremo blend, not Nescafe.


john


ps whats gleddo up to is he still in or out??

[Landy110]

Yesterday morning, disaster!
No real coffee left, had to drink Nescafe gold.
When I opened the jar it fair dinkum smelt like turps.
Still, desperate times!!!
Had my "coffee" and went straight down town and bought some real coffee.
And I don't live on the north flamin shore!:D

[HSVRangie]

I generaly get my coffee from here.
http://www.coffeeco.com.au/

delivered to office.

Michael.

[solmanic]

Capuchin is also a friar belonging to a strict and autonomous branch of the Franciscan order. All of these have some sort of a cap.

Cappuccino was not actually the name of the monk (friar) mentioned earlier in the thread. The monk's name was actually Marco d'Aviano and he was a "Cappuchin" monk (Cappuccino).

ergo. Cappuccino is derived from the Italian word foor "hood".

PS. It is worth noting, however, that the "cappuccino" invented by Padre d'Aviano was probably nothing like the modern day cappuccino since espresso machines were not invented back then.

[JohnE]

I generaly get my coffee from here.
http://www.coffeeco.com.au/

delivered to office.

Michael.



bloody hell, they know how to charge, and add postage to that,

i am putting my prices up.


john

[landrovermick]

ps whats gleddo up to is he still in or out??


mate i have a feeling he is out... pre 88 and all that ! Hope the head noises arent that bad...

mick

[landrovermick]

john send me a PM - we should catch up next time im up your way on a job....

mick