To Spell or not to Spell :-)

[stevo68]

G'day All,

Rather than take over someone else's thread, it would seem I was mildy chastised for making comment that it annoy's me when I have to read through threads where, I feel, people are generally lazy when it comes to spelling and grammar. In fact that I even maybe discriminatory. Now I'm not talking the odd error made in speed, we all do that. What I am talking about is the likes of this:



k so what does every1 reckon was tlkin to a mate about it and it got me thinkin!
what do u guys do think when it comes to building your rigs do u rather go out and give some1 ure check book and say go ahead i want this this and this done or would u rather make/buy all the parts yaself and put them on ureself and any mod do it ureself?
i no for one i would so much rather prefer build it myself than get some1 else to do it as you get to learn about your car and know whats what and so on and the feeling of knowing you did it ureself is just so much better but this might just be because they way ive been bought up alwayz been working on cars with me old man and brother and just love it and it saves u **** loads of $$
so what u guys think build or pay?


Now if someone can tell me that is OK, and that perhaps I should feel "sorry" for someone who obviously hasn't taken the time to spell correctly, well come and lash me alive :twisted::twisted::twisted:

Regards

Stevo

[scrambler]

It's not spelling error, it's textspeak. My sister, who is old enough to know better and a teacher to boot, writes emails like this - she's a rabid texter.

It all makes sense if you let your pants sit a little lower ...

[stevo68]

It's not spelling error, it's textspeak. My sister, who is old enough to know better and a teacher to boot, writes emails like this - she's a rabid texter.

It all makes sense if you let your pants sit a little lower ... I could find a 100 other examples, that don't necessarily fall within the guidelines of texting. And yes it is spelling error, 100%, everyone is not spelt "every1", do that in an exam and you would be marked incorrect. And thanks pants are at correct height :p

Regards

Stevo

[ivery819]

The sole purpose of correct grammar and spelling is to accurately communicate an exact meaning !

If one doesn't care about accuracy, the communication simply becomes noise !

I'll leave that to the Politicians !

[Rosco]

G'day All,

...... making comment that it annoy's me when I have to read through threads where, I feel, people are generally lazy when it comes to spelling and grammar. ......

Regards

Stevo

Is that possessive tense .... :twisted::angel::wasntme::p

Cheers

But I tend to agree ....

[vnx205]

Is that possessive tense .... :twisted::angel::wasntme::p

Cheers

But I tend to agree ....
No such thing as possessive tense.
I assume you meant possessive case.
:p

[stevo68]

Is that possessive tense .... :twisted::angel::wasntme::p

Cheers

But I tend to agree .... Firstly :p :2up: :D, but I am not talking about being pedantic, i.e. the odd word here and there, or a missed comma etc. It is when the whole response is littered with errors. In this day and age, if one is genuinely "illiterate" that is most likely by choice. Otherwise it will generally be due to lazyiness, as it really isn't that hard to spell correctly...........if you really want to. Plus the whole point of putting something in writing is to communicate, so therefore shouldn't you make it as pleasant as possible for the receiver? :)

Regards

Stevo

[cookiesa]

Here Here! Drives me nuts, little mistakes here and there who cares, but paragraphs of dribble give me the sh***

[Quarks]

I said "I hate it", but only because it slows my reading down. But that said, so do long paragraphs of good spelling! ;)

What I look forward to is for txt-language to die the death that telegram-speak (or whatever ye olde lot call it:p) died. As I understand, it was developed to work around the limits of the technology. There are no such limits here, so there is no reason!

Heck, give Ron a txt-to-English dictionary and let him SuperMod it! :D

:)

[vnx205]

Plus the whole point of putting something in writing is to communicate, so therefore shouldn't you make it as pleasant as possible for the receiver? :)

Regards

Stevo
I think this may be another example of the sort of cost-shifting that is becoming so common. You know, the sort of thing where head office used to send out enough copies of the latest policy document for all the staff. Now they send an electronic copy and each branch has to print enough copies for all the staff, so the time, effort and cost have been shifted to the recipient.
The sort of mangled spelling and grammar in the examples offered does a similar thing. Instead of the writer taking the trouble to use the language carefully enough to make reading it a breeze, the reader has to do all the hard work of trying to make sense of the communication.
I think it is a bit of an insult to send messages like that. It is the equivalent of saying, "I am not prepared to put in the time and effort to help you understand this message. I expect you to do all the hard work."

[disco2hse]

And thanks pants are at correct height :p

Me too :o Somewhere around my chest :p:p:p

There are annoying things people do, like farting in a lift and then looking at the person next to them:angel: or like spelling your when they mean you're, etc.

Spelling, and indeed grammar, is reflective of the general condition of the mind.

[Quiggers]

Spelling and grammar went out the window years ago.

How very sad.

Correct usage of language is necessary.

But, even our public service condones such abusage.

Since when was 'ageing' acceptable? (As in Dept. of....)

But, we can't blame the under 40s, who have been taught to 'express themselves'... forget the grammar...

GQ

[BigJon]

things people do, like farting in a lift and then looking at the person next to them:angel: .


Hey!

I resemble that remark!

[Redback]

Don't care:spudniksnore:

[weeds]

I could find a 100 other examples, that don't necessarily fall within the guidelines of texting. And yes it is spelling error, 100%, everyone is not spelt "every1", do that in an exam and you would be marked incorrect. And thanks pants are at correct height :p

Regards

Stevo

i reckon you would find your 100 just in my posts....i'm first to put my hand up that i'm not good at spelling and grammer, i had an english tudor two a week for most of grade 10 and i just scraped in for a pass....if it gets under your (thats everybody not meaning stevo) you best not read my posts

if this site auto correct as i was typing like word and outlook does i would have a second look at what i typed...but than again if i took a minute to re-read my post before hitting submit i would pick up some of my grammer mistakes

how did i go

[vnx205]

how did i go?


A pass I think; in fact a reasonably good pass. (But not quite 100%.)
I don't mind if you (or anyone else ) make the occasional mistake.
It's the people who obviously don't make any effort at all and claim that it doesn't matter that irritate me.

[solmanic]

it will generally be due to lazyiness, as it really isn't that hard to spell correctly

That would be "laziness"



Here Here! Drives me nuts, little mistakes here and there

Should be "hear hear..."


But, even our public service condones such abusage.

"Abusage"??? There's no such word - it's just "abuse" or "incorrect usage".


i reckon you would find your 100 just in my posts....i'm first to put my hand up that i'm not good at spelling and grammer, i had an english tudor two a week for most of grade 10 and i just scraped in for a pass....if it gets under your (thats everybody not meaning stevo) you best not read my posts

God - where do I begin...

Warning - you've cracked the lid on my Spelling & Grammar Nazi-esque tendencies.:nazilock:

In the words of Christ - "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

[vnx205]

I don't mind if you (or anyone else ) make the occasional mistake.
It's the people who obviously don't make any effort at all and claim that it doesn't matter that irritate me.
I was going to let it pass, but after reading Solmanic's post I think I had better confess that in my previous post I was guilty of a mistake involving the agreement of subject and verb.
The problem is that while "..if you make..." is correct, "...anyone else make.. "is not. I should not have tried to make the same verb serve both pronouns.

Geez, I'm glad I got that off my chest before Solmanic had time to read it carefully.:p

[googe]

Wasup stevo68 :spudnikconfounded: :D

[stevo68]

Quote:
Originally Posted by stevo68 https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/08/768.jpg (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/showthread.php?p=620422#post620422)
it will generally be due to lazyiness, as it really isn't that hard to spell correctly

That would be "laziness"
PASS, well done, was wondering if anyone would pick that up :D. My whole point with the thread was that on another thread, I didn't want to hijack it with my own comments or thoughts in relation to my opinion on spelling and grammar. I was not pertaining too being pedantic by way of hitting the roof when I read the occasional error. I haven't quite hit "grumpy old man" territory just yet :D.

It was moreso in relation to the example I quoted in my opening. It is that sort of dribble that I find annoying, difficult to read, hurts my head etc etc. You can tell the difference between those that are making an effort despite a few errors versus those that write with no regard.

Regards

Stevo

[stevo68]

Wasup stevo68 :spudnikconfounded: :D
In all honesty, slowly getting used to the nicotine not being in my system, yet feeling edgy at the same time :twisted:. So a good banter on here at the moment is helping to relieve some of that edginess and no doubt my family will be better off because of it :D. Oh and its WASSUP :p

Regards

Stevo

[rovercare]

Text speak bugs that **** out of me, but all those you constantly intimidate those who can't actuall spell, pee's me right off:mad:

I've spoken to people about the forum, and won't use it, due to being chastised about trivial crap like spelling and punctuation, just because your an intellect doesn't mean you should be sprooking it onto others, you don't need good spelling and grammar to work on a Rover, I'd like to see some come to my place, while I chastise them about, Not being able to mig weld, wire up engine management, or even service thier own vehicle;)

[stevo68]

Text speak bugs that **** out of me, but all those you constantly intimidate those who can't actuall spell, pee's me right off:angry:

I've spoken to people about the forum, and won't use it, due to being chastised about trivial crap like spelling and punctuation, just because your an intellect doesn't mean you should be sprooking it onto others, you don't need good spelling and grammar to work on a Rover, I'd like to see some come to my place, while I chastise them about, Not being able to mig weld, wire up engine management, or even service thier own vehicle;)
Well, there you go, my point in case. My 10 year old girl can spell, so it has nothing to do with being intellectual.........at all. I find it hard that an adult may not post because they are intimidated ( by who?????) due to spelling and punctuation.

Also you cannot compare spelling and grammar with working on a Rover, to work on a vehicle requires expertise, to spell doesn't. They are 2 completely different things. And if you read the actual context of the thread, it has nothing to do with the odd mistake. Read my example 3 times in a row and tell me it doesn't give you a headache:eek:

Regards

Stevo

[hiline]

Text speak bugs that **** out of me, but all those you constantly intimidate those who can't actuall spell, pee's me right off:mad:

I've spoken to people about the forum, and won't use it, due to being chastised about trivial crap like spelling and punctuation, just because your an intellect doesn't mean you should be sprooking it onto others, you don't need good spelling and grammar to work on a Rover, I'd like to see some come to my place, while I chastise them about, Not being able to mig weld, wire up engine management, or even service thier own vehicle;)


i used to cop it all the time from a certain member :angel:
and it did get to me at one stage:(
but now i really dont care :p;)

[hiline]

Letter to the Prime Minister :o:o

not a hope in hell ;)i dont even vote :angel:

[jx2mad]

What pees me off is seeing those commercial billboards with the wording spelt incorrectly. I know it is the "in thing" to abbreviate but how are the kids of today ever going to learn to spell. Most probably the teachers don't know any better themselves! I'm glad I was brought up under the "3 r's" although arithmetic does not commence with the letter r. I delight in going into a shop with a young person on the till and getting them all bamboozled over change because without a calculator of some sort they cannot use mental arithmetic. It is just not taught any more. Sorry, that is my gripe for today.

[BigJon]

Letter to the Prime Minister :o:o

not a hope in hell ;)i dont even vote :angel:

In which case you lose any rights to complain about politics.

[solmanic]

Text speak bugs that **** out of me,

So what are we going to do about the forum-language-nanny preventing us from using proper spelling for these kinds of words? Inc?

[vnx205]

Text speak bugs that **** out of me, but all those you constantly intimidate those who can't actuall spell, pee's me right off:mad:

I've spoken to people about the forum, and won't use it, due to being chastised about trivial crap like spelling and punctuation, just because your an intellect doesn't mean you should be sprooking it onto others, you don't need good spelling and grammar to work on a Rover, I'd like to see some come to my place, while I chastise them about, Not being able to mig weld, wire up engine management, or even service thier own vehicle;)
I suspect I have been one of those who has p'd you off in the past. I so then my intentions have been misunderstood.
Intimidating those who can't spell is unforgivable.
Having a gentle dig at people who make no effort, on the other hand, I think is quite acceptable.
I have always serviced my own vehicles since 1967, (although that is getting harder as cars have become more technologically advanced), so I am not entirely useless, but I would be the first to admit that I am in awe of people who can produce the sort of weld that only a very experienced and talented welder can manage.
I have seen mechanics (on very rare occasions) attempt to intimidate a customer whose mechanical knowledge was limited. And I think I have seen at least one post on this forum where someone poked fun at a suggestion by a much less experienced member. That, I think is just as unforgivable as trying to intimidate someone who has difficulty with spelling.
I guess the difference is that you are never likely to see any of my attempts at welding, while I sometimes see what you write. In fact I probably never really need to weld, but you often need to communicate in writing. I think that is the point someone made a few weeks ago when a similar topic was under discussion. Reading and writing is a part of just about everyone's life, while welding isn't.
You may not need good spelling and grammar to work on a Rover, but when you try to pass on to someone else the benefit of your knowledge and experience (as I have seen you do often) it would be a pity if your information was not clearly understood because of confusing spelling or punctuation.
I have enormous respect for the wealth of experience of people who contribute to this forum. I would probably not assume they were trying to belittle me if they corrected something I said.
Please don't assume I am trying to belittle you if I draw attention to something that isn't clearly expressed in one of your posts.
But just to keep things in perspective, don't a lot of us have a bit of a dig at someone who has just done something a bit stupid, like driving into a bog without locking the freewheeling hubs or choosing entirely the wrong line up a climb. We joke a bit about that, so why can't we joke about typos and spelling mistakes?

[abaddonxi]

i reckon you would find your 100 just in my posts....i'm first to put my hand up that i'm not good at spelling and grammer, i had an english tudor two a week for most of grade 10 and i just scraped in for a pass....if it gets under your (thats everybody not meaning stevo) you best not read my posts

if this site auto correct as i was typing like word and outlook does i would have a second look at what i typed...but than again if i took a minute to re-read my post before hitting submit i would pick up some of my grammer mistakes

how did i go

Henry VIII perhaps?

That explains everything, spelling and grammar were optional back then.:D

Cheers
Simon

[Loaded]

If I have to spell everything properly then Ill need to take the do everything in pictures. :)

[Bushie]

Maybe, those that get pee'd off about spelling could do it in their own private little world. Then we wouldn't have 2 pages of non productive thread about spelling and grammar.
Those that wish to spell correctly will put the effort into doing just that. Those that don't or can't, well as long as they can get their message across, that will be OK for me.



Martyn

[Bushie]

That explains everything, spelling and grammar were optional back then.:D

Cheers
Simon


Spelling and grammar were optional for a fair while during the 80s and early 90s, I think.

End of comments


Martyn

[mcrover]

I'd love to say something smart here but Im probably one of the worst spellers on here and I just dont seem to take in how others spell or use punctuation.

In saying that, I hate text speak, I wont answer text's when they send one in text language as on T9 these days it does all the work for you so theres no excuse.

[stevo68]

Maybe, those that get pee'd off about spelling could do it in their own private little world. Then we wouldn't have 2 pages of non productive thread about spelling and grammar.
Those that wish to spell correctly will put the effort into doing just that. Those that don't or can't, well as long as they can get their message across, that will be OK for me.



Martyn
Ahh yes but you still decided to add your own comments though, therefore including yourself in your own non productiveness :p.

Regards


Stevo

[vnx205]

Maybe, those that get pee'd off about spelling could do it in their own private little world. Then we wouldn't have 2 pages of non productive thread about spelling and grammar.
Those that wish to spell correctly will put the effort into doing just that. Those that don't or can't, well as long as they can get their message across, that will be OK for me.
Martyn
Maybe those that get pee'd off about what they consider to be unproductive pages could do it in their own private world.:p
Seriously though, I would have thought that the fact that we are already up to 4 pages on this topic means that some people think it is important, interesting, amusing or irritating enough to get them typing.
Some of us could point of plenty of other posts which are, in our opinion, much less productive than these. I happen to believe that, for example, the comment made by Numpty's Missus was a very important point and that it is sufficient reason to think seriously about the issue under discussion.
If you think it is unproductive, don't read it. Those of us who believe that it important will continue to add our ideas, objections, answers, witticisms or whatever.

[stevo68]

If I have to spell everything properly then Ill need to take the do everything in pictures. :)
Ahh, Craigy, Craigy, see I read that and I just don't understand what it means :). Time to pop over for a brew soon mate,

Regards

Stevo

[vnx205]

Gee I hate it when I spend ages typing out a response to someone's post and when I submit it and return to the forum I discover that someone else in the meantime has added a succinct comment that I wish I had thought of myself.
It's happened twice this afternoon already.

[googe]

I dont care what anyone says im calling a Land Rover a "Landy" ops :P

[rovercare]

I suspect I have been one of those who has p'd you off in the past. I so then my intentions have been misunderstood.
Intimidating those who can't spell is unforgivable.
Having a gentle dig at people who make no effort, on the other hand, I think is quite acceptable.
I have always serviced my own vehicles since 1967, (although that is getting harder as cars have become more technologically advanced), so I am not entirely useless, but I would be the first to admit that I am in awe of people who can produce the sort of weld that only a very experienced and talented welder can manage.
I have seen mechanics (on very rare occasions) attempt to intimidate a customer whose mechanical knowledge was limited. And I think I have seen at least one post on this forum where someone poked fun at a suggestion by a much less experienced member. That, I think is just as unforgivable as trying to intimidate someone who has difficulty with spelling.
I guess the difference is that you are never likely to see any of my attempts at welding, while I sometimes see what you write. In fact I probably never really need to weld, but you often need to communicate in writing. I think that is the point someone made a few weeks ago when a similar topic was under discussion. Reading and writing is a part of just about everyone's life, while welding isn't.
You may not need good spelling and grammar to work on a Rover, but when you try to pass on to someone else the benefit of your knowledge and experience (as I have seen you do often) it would be a pity if your information was not clearly understood because of confusing spelling or punctuation.
I have enormous respect for the wealth of experience of people who contribute to this forum. I would probably not assume they were trying to belittle me if they corrected something I said.
Please don't assume I am trying to belittle you if I draw attention to something that isn't clearly expressed in one of your posts.
But just to keep things in perspective, don't a lot of us have a bit of a dig at someone who has just done something a bit stupid, like driving into a bog without locking the freewheeling hubs or choosing entirely the wrong line up a climb. We joke a bit about that, so why can't we joke about typos and spelling mistakes?

Well written as always, It wasn't a dig although I've seen you go a little far, hence the light hearted attacks, with the jumbled words;)

What your not realising, is once its a known thing that spelling and grammar is a running issue, its not a worry, but think when a newbie, smarter than the rest of us, posts some excellent tech and gets badgered by someone, about his spelling, kinda reckon it would make him think his time writing the post, trying to help someone, was worthless??

[vnx205]

...., but think when a newbie, smarter than the rest of us, posts some excellent tech and gets badgered by someone, about his spelling, kinda reckon it would make him think his time writing the post, trying to help someone, was worthless??
Fair point. I accept that we do have to be careful.

[vnx205]

I have just one not very serious question Rovercare.
You are free to ignore it if you wish.
Why is your last post almost without errors and certainly without any errors that matter?
Is it because you were responding to me?
Is it because you are really a better speller than you are prepared to admit?
Or is there some other reason?
:p

[rovercare]

I have just one not very serious question Rovercare.
You are free to ignore it if you wish.
Why is your last post is almost without errors and certainly without any errors that matter?
Is it because you were responding to me?
Is it because you are really a better speller than you are prepared to admit?
Or is there some other reason?
:p

My spelling is pretty good, when I stuff up, its usually a typo, or in a rush because I've just been called to a job;)

But when replying in threads like this, you tend to be alot more aware:D

I'm speaking for others though, not myself, I don't care if people have a shot at me, but I've been here a while:eek:

[vnx205]

But when replying in threads like this, you tend to be alot more aware:D

You're right.
Actually that is one of the points that I think Numpty's Missus and others have made.
There are times when most of us recognise the need to use language pretty accurately.
This current situation really isn't all that important, but there are plenty of other circumstances where people will form an impression of you from you communication (like a job resume) and there are times when great care needs to be taken to avoid confusion (such as giving instructions about some complicated operation on a valuable vehicle like a Land Rover).

[rovercare]

You're right.
Actually that is one of the points that I think Numpty's Missus and others have made.
There are times when most of us recognise the need to use language pretty accurately.
This current situation really isn't all that important, but there are plenty of other circumstances where people will form an impression of you from you communication (like a job resume) and there are times when great care needs to be taken to avoid confusion (such as giving instructions about some complicated operation on a valuable vehicle like a Land Rover).

Yea, but if you don't proof read and spell check a resume', your retarded.....but every post on the internet??

[vnx205]

At the risk of adding even more pages that someone might regard as unproductive, I would like to suggest that this thread has been particularly useful.
I now have a clearer idea of the attitude that some members have to this subject.
I have a better understanding of how they are likely to react to some of the posts I might be tempted to submit in future.
If that contributes to the smooth operation of this forum (and I believe it will), then the whole discussion has been worthwhile. I believe that there is now a slight reduction in the chances of a tactless comment or a misinterpretation of intentions. Every little bit helps.

[rovercare]

At the risk of adding even more pages that someone might regard as unproductive, I would like to suggest that this thread has been particularly useful.
I now have a clearer idea of the attitude that some members have to this subject.
I have a better understanding of how they are likely to react to some of the posts I might be tempted to submit in future.
If that contributes to the smooth operation of this forum (and I believe it will), then the whole discussion has been worthwhile. I believe that there is now a slight reduction in the chances of a tactless comment or a misinterpretation of intentions. Every little bit helps.

Very rational:)

[RonMcGr]

G'day All,


Now if someone can tell me that is OK, and that perhaps I should feel "sorry" for someone who obviously hasn't taken the time to spell correctly, well come and lash me alive :twisted::twisted::twisted:

Regards

Stevo

Well, it is all in the mind.
You can write anything you like and your brain will pick it up, providing the first and last letter are correct :)

Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.

[DaveS3]

Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.

:D

Spelling and and grammar can be an issue, but as long as all members are doing so to the best of their ability there is no problem.

Dave.

[duff]

:Rolling::Rolling:
Leave them alone,,,,, you know how hot it gets in those glass houses,,, it's not hard to get a little dazed and confused.

:banana:
But as an answer to the poll,, wot duz ut mattar how ya spel as long as wees orl git the message..... and those with such obviously superior brains should not feel challenged by us lesser humans, such intelligent persons should be able to extrapolate the meaningful text garbled rants of the illiterate. TIC

:BigCry:
Hell go to the other end of the spectrum and you can correctly spelliferate or grammatifie your way out of the realms of society,, some words are spelt so very differently from how they are spoken, that they are lost on mere mortals.

:TakeABow: long live phonetic spelling :spudnikparty:


That would be "laziness"




Should be "hear hear..."



"Abusage"??? There's no such word - it's just "abuse" or "incorrect usage".



God - where do I begin...

Warning - you've cracked the lid on my Spelling & Grammar Nazi-esque tendencies.:nazilock:

In the words of Christ - "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

[googe]

Hloly haedgkaset bamtan :o i think cambridge needs to study more :p

[rovercare]

I jfyt whjebd to sge if tfe tnkdhy dxzs aljdvjy wzhk. so if I wcs to rldkbze on fhr a cbslge of sfhoxzs.

What did I say

I just wanted to see if the theory does actually work, so if i was to realise on ?????????????//

I think you forgot the fact, you still need the corrsct letters, just jumbled;)

[rovercare]

Where did his post go:eek:

Haha, least I got a quote:D

[duff]

Damn you batman.... have you no mercy.:eek:

:eek: the fact that I forgot !...... is where/why the post went.... Can you see why I voted with the non spellers. he he

Just didn't get the edit/delete done quick enough.:p but hey it seems to work anyway,, thanks for the decipher



Where did his post go:eek:

Haha, least I got a quote:D

[seriesly]

spelling first......
then the colour of your shirt...

[muddydigger]

I can't stand spelling Nazis on forums, especially when your talking about a 4wd forums, if it was an English language forum then fair enough.
The only reason that the communication is via the written word, is because we can't talk. If we could you wouldn't be criticising the spelling mistakes but grammatical terminologies instead.
As long as I can understand the general gist of a what is written that's enough for me. Lighten up I say! It doesn't prove to much about the author either except they are bad at spelling and its simply a vice, and most people have vices.

[abaddonxi]

One small vote for spelling.

Much of the value of the site is the accrued knowledge. It gets bloody difficult to search for something if the term is misspelt.

:D

Cheers
Simon

[ivery819]

I've just re read this topic and now realise that my previous post was wrong !
This forum is not a book or a technical manual....it's a discussion. Everybody makes a positive contribution.
I may read something on here that is not clear and unlike a book, I can ask what the writer meant. Conversely, I can say something that can be misinterpreted and I can correct it or apologise. Two way communication is the key !

[stevo68]

I can't stand spelling Nazis on forums, especially when your talking about a 4wd forums, if it was an English language forum then fair enough.
The only reason that the communication is via the written word, is because we can't talk. If we could you wouldn't be criticising the spelling mistakes but grammatical terminologies instead.
As long as I can understand the general gist of a what is written that's enough for me. Lighten up I say! It doesn't prove to much about the author either except they are bad at spelling and its simply a vice, and most people have vices.
I absolutely concur in respect to spelling Nazi's, however if you put yourself out there and your spelling and grammar is that appalling, so much so that my nine year old son find's it hard to read, then that is a different situation (ie like my example). It has nothing to do with lightening up, as it doesn't send me stark raving mad.

It does however on occasion annoy me when some people murder the English language, and this is an English Language Forum..........about Land Rovers :D. Like most things, it is an opinion, right or wrong, and general opinion is that most people-70% + find spelling and grammatical errors slightly to highly annoying based on the current poll.

I would also point out that most of the thread content in this topic has been well delivered and easily understood,

Regards

Stevo

[Captain_Rightfoot]

I'm lucky that my mac browser has a smell checker in it. So it picks up all of the obviously ones, but tends to only miss the occasional context related error.

:D:D

[Tank]

G'day All,

Rather than take over someone else's thread, it would seem I was mildy chastised for making comment that it annoy's me when I have to read through threads where, I feel, people are generally lazy when it comes to spelling and grammar. In fact that I even maybe discriminatory. Now I'm not talking the odd error made in speed, we all do that. What I am talking about is the likes of this:



Now if someone can tell me that is OK, and that perhaps I should feel "sorry" for someone who obviously hasn't taken the time to spell correctly, well come and lash me alive :twisted::twisted::twisted:

Regards

Stevo
It is such a PITA to read, I just don't bother, Regards Frank.

[chosen]

I absolutely concur in respect to spelling Nazi's, however if you put yourself out there and your spelling and grammar is that appalling, so much so that my nine year old son find's it hard to read, then that is a different situation (ie like my example). It has nothing to do with lightening up, as it doesn't send me stark raving mad.

It does however on occasion annoy me when some people murder the English language, and this is an English Language Forum..........about Land Rovers :D. Like most things, it is an opinion, right or wrong, and general opinion is that most people-70% + find spelling and grammatical errors slightly to highly annoying based on the current poll.

I would also point out that most of the thread content in this topic has been well delivered and easily understood,

Regards

Stevo
Hey Stevo, in your example it is clearly a case of delibrate and specified errors ("txt" spelling as mentioned by others) - yeah, it is kinda annoying to me however... I do feel that all this talk about bad spelling (especially in other threads) has been a little bit of a misrepresentation of what you are trying to say...

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Your question was "Does it annoy you to read threads with poor spelling and grammar?". Without reading the rest of the post I respond with "who gives".

After reading the rest of the post is seems to me that what you should be asking is...

"Does it annoy you to read threads (emails, etc.) that have deliberate spelling shortcuts, errors and/or bad grammar?"

What do you think? Just a thought - I think it would've helped a bit ;-)
Then again, this may not be at all what you mean and your example has lead me in the wrong direction.

Chosen

[kwosie]

We should also remember that not all contributors to this forum have english as their first language. I am sure we have more than just the occasional new Australian as members of AULRO.

[Redback]

I was thinking hard for a responce to this trivial matter, but i couldn't find the words to describe what i thought, so this smiley will do:zzz:

[George130]

OK
I bit on the other thread and as directed read most of this one.
1 Minor spelling is no issue and I will probably not even see it.
2 On a forum it's ok but the example given at the beginning is painful to read.
3 Bill board's, Magazines and the like where it is written by a professional and supposedly proof read and even I can see it "NO!". They are paid so should be able to fix it first.


Don't worry trying to correct my spelling and punctuation as there won't be enough red pens in the world.

[Traveler]

k so what does every1 reckon was tlkin to a mate about it and it got me thinkin!
what do u guys do think when it comes to building your rigs do u rather go out and give some1 ure check book and say go ahead i want this this and this done or would u rather make/buy all the parts yaself and put them on ureself and any mod do it ureself?
i no for one i would so much rather prefer build it myself than get some1 else to do it as you get to learn about your car and know whats what and so on and the feeling of knowing you did it ureself is just so much better but this might just be because they way ive been bought up alwayz been working on cars with me old man and brother and just love it and it saves u **** loads of $$
so what u guys think build or pay?



I could find a 100 other examples,


Stevo68, where did you find this example?



In this day and age, if one is genuinely "illiterate" that is most likely by choice. Otherwise it will generally be due to lazyiness, as it really isn't that hard to spell correctly...........if you really want to.


Can you back this statement up?



Firstly yes I am smart enough, degree qualified and running my own business, would be a reasonable indicator.


Please elaborate. The reader is left wondering if you completed a degree in 1980 on Information Technology and are now running a fruit stall outside your house.

[mojo]

I agree with alot of the other responses here, I couldn't really care about the odd spelling or grammar error - I'm sure I make plenty of them myself!:wasntme:

But when you get a post that is so badly written that it's a struggle to work out exactly what the person is trying to say, that annoys me. My pet hate is people who jumble a whole post into one big sentance, with a complete lack of commas and/or full stops. Very irritating!:mad:


As with alot of the responses here I couldnt really care about the odd spelling or grammar error I'm sure I make plenty of them myself but when you get a post that is so badly written that it's a struggle to work out exactly what the person is trying to say that annoys me my pet hate is people who jumble a whole post into one big sentance with a complete lack of commas and/or full stops very irritating :D:p

[numpty]

I'm lucky that my mac browser has a smell checker in it. So it picks up all of the obviously ones, but tends to only miss the occasional context related error.

:D:D

It obviously doesn't work:o:p:p

[stevo68]

Well, well, post is still going strongly, even a couple of indirect goes at myself :D, BRING IT ON, I say :cool:. Ok to clarify and answer a few questions, not forgetting as I have stated previously that it is simply my opinion. Over time I have read threads here and other forums, where the spelling and grammar is terrible, very difficult to read and understand. In other words, sometimes having to go back and re read to get an understanding of the thread. In this day and age, most people should have a reasonable grasp of the English language. Again, most, we can all find variances i.e Billy Bob is a newcomer etc etc.

Again, I am not talking about the odd error etc, I make them myself, I am not necessarily talking about txt speak either, just poor grammar and spelling in general, as per the example. It surprises me to be honest the level that it is, whether deliberate or not. If one writes, you are writing for an audience, whether it be one or more. Personally I would like to think that when I communicate something in writing, that in the whole it is generally understood, that is because I make an effort to do so.

Now to you Traveler, since you have come at me head on...................this example was from another 4WD forum site. Can I back up my statement? No need to, that is my formed opinion. In this day and age if you are not able to read and write that is a choice, as there are many options to learn to do so. As with many things in life, it is all about choice. If you are able to spell and use grammar and choose not to and instead let loose with a load of unreadable drivel, that is laziness. And as for your last smartaz comment, I have a Bachelor of Commerce, commenced as a mature age student at 30, whilst going through a divorce and having my children 2000kms away, who were at the time 8mths and just over 2yrs old. I could give you my whole resume, more than happy to PM it to you, but I run my own successful finance brokerage business hence why I get to drive a D3........anything else??

Whether you agree or disagree with the context of this thread, think it is trivial or annoying, like anything that is all opinion and one is entitled to it. I'm not professing to say I am better than someone else because I can spell and use grammar, not at all, guilty as charged on occasions, but with 70%+ at last count feeling along the same way, surely that says something?

Regards

Stevo

[grumpybastard]

I admit i haven't read all 8 pages of this thread so this might have already been said?

I apologise if this is the case...

For all those that are poor in the spelling department, if you use Mozilla Firefox (http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/) as your Internet browser there are a few different dictionary extensions (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/browse/type:3) that when you type in a browser (such as i am now) it will highlight misspelt words and offer suggestions to the correct spelling.

It doesn't help with poor grammar though.

[Outback 1]

Well, it is all in the mind.
You can write anything you like and your brain will pick it up, providing the first and last letter are correct :)

Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.

that was brilliant ron i have never seen that before:BigThumb:

[chosen]

In this day and age, if one is genuinely "illiterate" that is most likely by choice. Otherwise it will generally be due to lazyiness, as it really isn't that hard to spell correctly.

Regards

Stevo

Hey Stevo,

Mate, now I'm not trying to have a go at all in this response please understand. I would however like to let readers of this thread know the other side of the coin so to speak...

Among other things that I do I am a youth support worker... The last young lad who I was working with was 15, he had a life that was very hard - mum and dad split up... mum couldn't handle him and gave him to a relative to look after... relative abused him for many years... he ran away and lived where ever he could to survive.

Now he couldn't read (not even enough to play X-Box) due to a lack of education.

To make matters worse, as his bail conditions stated I had to take him to a special education school that deal with youth like him. They gave him the choice of what subjects to take (talk about lack of discipline :mad:) so he of course took only one module of Literacy and Numeracy and all the rest were fun and worthless modules!!! :eek:

Now with a life of no boundaries, that is all he knew. How is he ever to have victory over his circumstances in a system that doesn't provide any discipline???

There are 1000's of people similar to him!

Chosen

[Outback 1]

G'day All,

Rather than take over someone else's thread, it would seem I was mildy chastised for making comment that it annoy's me when I have to read through threads where, I feel, people are generally lazy when it comes to spelling and grammar. In fact that I even maybe discriminatory. Now I'm not talking the odd error made in speed, we all do that. What I am talking about is the likes of this:



Now if someone can tell me that is OK, and that perhaps I should feel "sorry" for someone who obviously hasn't taken the time to spell correctly, well come and lash me alive :twisted::twisted::twisted:

Regards

Stevo
Hey stevo
I didn't realise you were going to get this fired up about it,in relation to txt speak ,it has become a part of life as has phonetics.these days it seems that you don't have to teach the correct way first up ! .the important thing in todays world is to teach the easy way first then worry about correct spelling and grammar later {unfortunately}

[stevo68]

Hey Stevo,

Mate, now I'm not trying to have a go at all in this response please understand. I would however like to let readers of this thread know the other side of the coin so to speak...

Among other things that I do I am a youth support worker... The last young lad who I was working with was 15, he had a life that was very hard - mum and dad split up... mum couldn't handle him and gave him to a relative to look after... relative abused him for many years... he ran away and lived where ever he could to survive.

Now he couldn't read (not even enough to play X-Box) due to a lack of education.

To make matters worse, as his bail conditions stated I had to take him to a special education school that deal with youth like him. They gave him the choice of what subjects to take (talk about lack of discipline :angry:) so he of course took only one module of Literacy and Numeracy and all the rest were fun and worthless modules!!! :eek:

Now with a life of no boundaries, that is all he knew. How is he ever to have victory over his circumstances in a system that doesn't provide any discipline???

There are 1000's of people similar to him!

Chosen Good point and again a) there will be variances and Im not talking about those and b) when one gets to a certain age i.e adult then yes it is about choice. Quick example: many yrs ago I employed a young bloke ( as long as he wore long shirt to cover tatts and got a hair cut). One time found the bloke in tears ( unexpected, guy was as tough as they come). He had lived on streets, been abused, couldnt get access to his daughter. My response was "Yes...and??" What I got through to him was that where he was right now was choice. Yes his past sucked, yes he had gone through stuff I couldn't imagine, but as of right now, as an adult he had choices. He could let his past, lack of education etc keep him down for the rest of his life, or he could suck it in, stop crapping on about the past and look at right now and to the future. He did the latter. I moved on from the business and a year later got a letter from him, in much improved writing, telling me about his new job, had access to his daughter, was living in a house opposed to a caravan and thanked me. I responded, great but no thanks need, your the one who did it, your the one who decided your choices and well done.

And yes Outback you were my inspiration :D, though it was never just about txt speak, but spelling/ grammar in general...........again not about the minority of situations,

Regards

Stevo

[Quiggers]

Here's a nice book that lives in my library,
been very helpful over the years...

Cheers, GQ

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2007/10/296.jpg

[Traveler]

If you are able to spell and use grammar and choose not to and instead let loose with a load of unreadable drivel, that is laziness.



I
could give you my whole resume, more than happy to PM it to you, but I run my own successful finance brokerage business hence why I get to drive a D3........anything else??

Caffeine problems? Or just drivel...

[Outback 1]

Here's a nice book that lives in my library,
been very helpful over the years...

Cheers, GQ

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2007/10/296.jpg

so abusage is a word

[disco2hse]

Well, it is all in the mind.
You can write anything you like and your brain will pick it up, providing the first and last letter are correct :)

Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.

Actually that is true, and it's not. The statement makes sense because all the letters there, just jumbled up, and the grammar and punctuation are correct. The brain needs certain cues with which to establish its relative meaning and the example simply demonstrates that if one or two of those cues are missing we can still interpret the meaning of the statement - in this case the jumbled up letters represent the missing cue called Correct Spelling.

In the case Stevo cited there is more missing than the one cue, Correct Spelling. The spelling and the grammar were equally munged and there was a random use of punctuation. Together they make the process of understanding that statement very difficult (actually I couldn't be bothered wasting my time trying to understand it - I gave up after the second or third line).

There is nothing that wrong with txting, provided it is used in a context inside of which it can be understood. Indeed there is no such thing as right or wrong spelling, grammar or punctuation, but there are agreed social requirements for what we take as acceptable practice or otherwise - I think this is what most of this discussion has been about, people's differing levels of acceptance.

There is another issue with this. Not every one writes to be understood, just take a look at the graffiti scrawled on buildings. Often I see posts on forums (fora?), not this one thank goodness, in which people are using it to exercise their online version of graffiti, or unreadable garbage that is best consigned to the scroll down bar. I enjoy being able to scan what people have to say and get their meaning. People are interesting, and often they have interesting things to say. But I'm not interested in working hard at trying to decipher unintelligible scrawl.

And for those that say "oh this is sooo boooring". Well, there are other threads.

[Quiggers]

Eric Partridge is (was) a fascinating person, this book first appeared in 1947.

His motto was: ABUSUS NON TOLLIT USUM

So 'abusage' may have had a Latin root... given Latin is a fixed language...

...but he may (have been) having 'some fun' with such...

Great book!

I'd like to comment about this entire thread, from my point of view as professional writer.

Everyone has an ability, some can work with words, some can work with mechanical devices, some can heal the wounded, some can create building and bridges, some can lead, some can follow...

The gift is the ability to communicate, as we do here. Personally, I'd like to see everyone write correctly, but
that's never going to happen. Usage of language has much to do with personal interest; it happens to be mine,
but I do entirely understand the reasons for those who have other interests and priorities.

Everyone has certain skills, the brain of every individual is different, thankfully.
That's why we have a smorgasbord of wonderful individuals here.

GQ

[Outback 1]

Actually that is true, and it's not. The statement makes sense because all the letters there, just jumbled up, and the grammar and punctuation are correct. The brain needs certain cues with which to establish its relative meaning and the example simply demonstrates that if one or two of those cues are missing we can still interpret the meaning of the statement - in this case the jumbled up letters represent the missing cue called Correct Spelling.

In the case Stevo cited there is more missing than the one cue, Correct Spelling. The spelling and the grammar were equally munged and there was a random use of punctuation. Together they make the process of understanding that statement very difficult (actually I couldn't be bothered wasting my time trying to understand it - I gave up after the second or third line).

There is nothing that wrong with txting, provided it is used in a context inside of which it can be understood. Indeed there is no such thing as right or wrong spelling, grammar or punctuation, but there are agreed social requirements for what we take as acceptable practice or otherwise - I think this is what most of this discussion has been about, people's differing levels of acceptance.

There is another issue with this. Not every one writes to be understood, just take a look at the graffiti scrawled on buildings. Often I see posts on forums (fora?), not this one thank goodness, in which people are using it to exercise their online version of graffiti, or unreadable garbage that is best consigned to the scroll down bar. I enjoy being able to scan what people have to say and get their meaning. People are interesting, and often they have interesting things to say. But I'm not interested in working hard at trying to decipher unintelligible scrawl.

And for those that say "oh this is sooo boooring". Well, there are other threads.

i can feel a headache coming on!:p

[stevo68]

Quote:
If you are able to spell and use grammar and choose not to and instead let loose with a load of unreadable drivel, that is laziness.


I Quote:
could give you my whole resume, more than happy to PM it to you, but I run my own successful finance brokerage business hence why I get to drive a D3........anything else??
Caffeine problems? Or just drivel...
Ah, you see, anytime you have a thread that is robust and full of great discussion, there always has to be that one **** who can bring it all down. Well congrats mate, you are that one **** :BigThumb:. If you want to have a crack at me personally, PM me, otherwise make a point in reference to the title of the thread, thanks

Regards

Stevo

[disco2hse]

i can feel a headache coming on!:p

:D:D:D

[Quiggers]

Time to get back on the fags, eh, Stevo:D:D:D

GQ

[stevo68]

Time to get back on the fags, eh, Stevo:D:D:D

GQ
LOL, Classic...........maybe :angel:

Regards

Stevo

[Tank]

Well, well, post is still going strongly, even a couple of indirect goes at myself :D, BRING IT ON, I say :cool:. Ok to clarify and answer a few questions, not forgetting as I have stated previously that it is simply my opinion. Over time I have read threads here and other forums, where the spelling and grammar is terrible, very difficult to read and understand. In other words, sometimes having to go back and re read to get an understanding of the thread. In this day and age, most people should have a reasonable grasp of the English language. Again, most, we can all find variances i.e Billy Bob is a newcomer etc etc.

Again, I am not talking about the odd error etc, I make them myself, I am not necessarily talking about txt speak either, just poor grammar and spelling in general, as per the example. It surprises me to be honest the level that it is, whether deliberate or not. If one writes, you are writing for an audience, whether it be one or more. Personally I would like to think that when I communicate something in writing, that in the whole it is generally understood, that is because I make an effort to do so.

Now to you Traveler, since you have come at me head on...................this example was from another 4WD forum site. Can I back up my statement? No need to, that is my formed opinion. In this day and age if you are not able to read and write that is a choice, as there are many options to learn to do so. As with many things in life, it is all about choice. If you are able to spell and use grammar and choose not to and instead let loose with a load of unreadable drivel, that is laziness. And as for your last smartaz comment, I have a Bachelor of Commerce, commenced as a mature age student at 30, whilst going through a divorce and having my children 2000kms away, who were at the time 8mths and just over 2yrs old. I could give you my whole resume, more than happy to PM it to you, but I run my own successful finance brokerage business hence why I get to drive a D3........anything else??

Whether you agree or disagree with the context of this thread, think it is trivial or annoying, like anything that is all opinion and one is entitled to it. I'm not professing to say I am better than someone else because I can spell and use grammar, not at all, guilty as charged on occasions, but with 70%+ at last count feeling along the same way, surely that says something?

Regards

Stevo
Stevo, you hit the nail on the head, Quote: "that is because I make an effort to do so." Most unreadable or hard to read posts are because of the lack of "effort" applied, if you genuinely can't spell that's OK, but if some effort was taken to produce a legible Post or reply to a Post it would not be such a PITA to read or interpret, I'm not a perfect speller but I try, Regards Frank.

[RonMcGr]

Then there is always the problem of pressing the wrong key on the computer.
I'm really bad at it and dome yimes it nakes a wtod hatd to tead :)

[Traveler]

Plus the whole point of putting something in writing is to communicate, so therefore shouldn't you make it as pleasant as possible for the receiver?




Ah, you see, anytime you have a thread that is robust and full of great discussion, there always has to be that one **** who can bring it all down. Well congrats mate, you are that one **** :BigThumb:.

Regards

Stevo




You are the pot calling the kettle black.
Am i not allowed to be objective?
Does this not fit the criteria either?

[vnx205]

As we approach 100 posts on a topic that a couple of people want to describe as trivial or boring, I feel inspired to speculate about how many posts we would get on an important subject.

Something else I have noticed about this thread and I wonder how often this happens with controversial issues. In the last couple of pages we seem to have an interesting mixture. There are several posts by people who have obviously read the whole thread carefully, thought about the issue and managed to write something relevant, thoughtful and original.
Then there are those who just want to score points or engage in a slanging match.
It's almost as if we are getting the two extremes in terms of the type of response. The good responses are getting better and the bad ones are getting worse.

I know this is not really a comment on the issue raised by the original post, but it needs to be here to put it into context.

The opinions expressed in this post are entirely those of the author, based purely on personal observations. They should not be taken to represent the views of management or anyone else.
:p

[Traveler]

The good responses are getting better and the bad ones are getting worse.

"hear hear!"

[mittadisco]

For those who like a pictorial illustration:

http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/geog/gessler/topics/spelling.jpg

[stevo68]

As we approach 100 posts on a topic that a couple of people want to describe as trivial or boring, I feel inspired to speculate about how many posts we would get on an important subject.

Something else I have noticed about this thread and I wonder how often this happens with controversial issues. In the last couple of pages we seem to have an interesting mixture. There are several posts by people who have obviously read the whole thread carefully, thought about the issue and managed to write something relevant, thoughtful and original.
Then there are those who just want to score points or engage in a slanging match.
It's almost as if we are getting the two extremes in terms of the type of response. The good responses are getting better and the bad ones are getting worse.

I know this is not really a comment on the issue raised by the original post, but it needs to be here to put it into context.
Excellently put, considering the rest of my message about to come. Through out this whole topic, most people have expressed their opinion's, on the whole with measured responses............bar one. Instead they have decided to come at myself personally........a little refresher:


Quote:
I could find a 100 other examples,

Stevo68, where did you find this example?

Quote:
In this day and age, if one is genuinely "illiterate" that is most likely by choice. Otherwise it will generally be due to lazyiness, as it really isn't that hard to spell correctly...........if you really want to.
Can you back this statement up?

Quote:
Firstly yes I am smart enough, degree qualified and running my own business, would be a reasonable indicator.

Please elaborate. The reader is left wondering if you completed a degree in 1980 on Information Technology and are now running a fruit stall outside your house.[/QUOTE]

Then:

[QUOTE]Caffeine problems? Or just drivel... Which resulted in a strong communication response and in my absence, come back to:

Quote:
Plus the whole point of putting something in writing is to communicate, so therefore shouldn't you make it as pleasant as possible for the receiver?



Quote:
Originally Posted by stevo68 https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/08/768.jpg (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/showthread.php?p=621113#post621113)
Ah, you see, anytime you have a thread that is robust and full of great discussion, there always has to be that one **** who can bring it all down. Well congrats mate, you are that one **** :BigThumb:.

Regards

Stevo




You are the pot calling the kettle black.
Am i not allowed to be objective?
Does this not fit the criteria either? Now as stated in my previous post, if you have an issue with myself per se, then PM myself. Read the topic and the context again, I am not having ago at anybody personally or pulling anyone to task, well bar yourself now.

This is a topic on spelling and grammar, you are baiting and not adding anything relevant or useful. I will make one correction though, and that is this. In general you should make what you write at the very least pleasant, but if due to circumstance it requires your communication to be unpleasant, then FFS make it very CLEAR:mad:. If I was to do a snap poll on whether you have a) contributed positively or b) being objective, I think you would be surprised.

So again, just in case none of that has got through, play the ball not the man. If you have an issue with the man, feel free to PM with your issue, otherwise contribute to the topic,

Regards

Stevo

[Camo]

Well said stevo68

I fully agree.. seen this happen too much on here..some just don't get it

Camo

[Outlaw]

Or as a better alternative, how about we just ignore baiting posts and keep on topic... unfortunately if the thread initiator can't keep on topic we have a real problem :p

Now back on topic please :D

[Frenchie]

most people have expressed their opinion's,


Opinions! ;)

[muddydigger]

I agree with alot of the other responses here, I couldn't really care about the odd spelling or grammar error - I'm sure I make plenty of them myself!:wasntme:

But when you get a post that is so badly written that it's a struggle to work out exactly what the person is trying to say, that annoys me. My pet hate is people who jumble a whole post into one big sentance, with a complete lack of commas and/or full stops. Very irritating!:mad:

:D:p


Comas are very over rated and in nearly all modern business colleges in Australia they say to limit its use. I can write a complete sentence and you should still understand what is written with out me telling when to take a short breath indicated by a comma.
Too many people over use comas and they don't need to. It has been a long time misunderstood grammatical error. There you go a complete answer with out the use of comas yet still perfectly legible!

[Quiggers]

Stevo, forget the fags, have decent Cuban:D:cool::D

I'm going to have one for you right now;)

GQ

[Lotz-A-Landies]

For those who like a pictorial illustration:
Great plagiarism there, but that's O.K. I must not have a human mind because while I could read the text, in evaluation of my speed of reading for 100% comprehension, my speed over that image was significantly slower.

Personally I prefer good spelling, grammar and syntax as it is easy to read quickly and comprehend while poor spelling and the like jump off the page at me and make the whole task a bore.

Call me an anachronistic dinosaur if you want!

Diana

[George130]

Actually that is true, and it's not. The statement makes sense because all the letters there, just jumbled up, and the grammar and punctuation are correct. The brain needs certain cues with which to establish its relative meaning and the example simply demonstrates that if one or two of those cues are missing we can still interpret the meaning of the statement - in this case the jumbled up letters represent the missing cue called Correct Spelling.

In the case Stevo cited there is more missing than the one cue, Correct Spelling. The spelling and the grammar were equally munged and there was a random use of punctuation. Together they make the process of understanding that statement very difficult (actually I couldn't be bothered wasting my time trying to understand it - I gave up after the second or third line).

There is nothing that wrong with txting, provided it is used in a context inside of which it can be understood. Indeed there is no such thing as right or wrong spelling, grammar or punctuation, but there are agreed social requirements for what we take as acceptable practice or otherwise - I think this is what most of this discussion has been about, people's differing levels of acceptance.

There is another issue with this. Not every one writes to be understood, just take a look at the graffiti scrawled on buildings. Often I see posts on forums (fora?), not this one thank goodness, in which people are using it to exercise their online version of graffiti, or unreadable garbage that is best consigned to the scroll down bar. I enjoy being able to scan what people have to say and get their meaning. People are interesting, and often they have interesting things to say. But I'm not interested in working hard at trying to decipher unintelligible scrawl.

And for those that say "oh this is sooo boooring". Well, there are other threads.


For a dyslexic like myself grammar means nothing. For us it is 99% reading the beginning and end of the sentence and filling in the blanks. Words and sentences are recognized as shapes and not the letters.
This is why I cannot use a dictionary. I need to be able to spell the word enough to look it up. I use the computer spellers so if they say it is wrong then to me it is wrong.
The UK was the best at teaching how to spell. My tutor used to teach me saying to spell words and I still use it today. In Australia I just got you will loose marks for every spelling mistake. Guess which method soon lost my interest and respect for the teaching system.
I must say thanks to the Australian schooling system for teaching me to teach myself and ignore my teachers though. I still learn that way today. Give me a text book or the answerers and I will discover how to do it by working backwards.

[vnx205]

Great plagiarism there, but that's O.K. I must not have a human mind because while I could read the text, in evaluation of my speed of reading for 100% comprehension, my speed over that image was significantly slower.
Diana

That's probably not entirely your fault because according to:
Schriver, Karen in Dynamics in Document Design, page 274:
"When text is set in all capital letters, reading speed is slowed about 13 to 20 percent. Reading speed is optimal when uppercase and lowercase letters are used."

...and the heading is all upper case.

Apparently there is less difference between the shape of upper case letters than there is with lower case, so it takes a bit longer to distinguish letters.

However the claim is not that you can read jumbled letters as easily as correctly spelled words. Even though it says you can read it "without a problem", the point is not that it is easy, but that it is possible.

[Traveler]

If I was to do a snap poll on whether you have a) contributed positively or b) being objective, I think you would be surprised.


Go on, surprise me.:spudnikparty::
Either way {a or b},the odds are in my favour.:bangin:

Your mistakes, they're annoying. {being is been}

[chosen]

To those who can't help but take digs or retaliate to them - please just ignore each other.

All this bickering, negative comments and retaliation is definitely taking away from the spirit of ALURO... I appreciate wit and quick thinking but when people take offence and retaliate (whether deserved or not) it shows a lack of integrity and self pride.

[stevo68]

Quote:
If I was to do a snap poll on whether you have a) contributed positively or b) being objective, I think you would be surprised.
Go on, surprise me.:spudnikparty::
Either way {a or b},the odds are in my favour.:bangin:

Your mistakes, they're annoying. {being is been} PM Sent



To those who can't help but take digs or retaliate to them - please just ignore each other.

All this bickering, negative comments and retaliation is definitely taking away from the spirit of ALURO... I appreciate wit and quick thinking but when people take offence and retaliate (whether deserved or not) it shows a lack of integrity and self pride. PM Sent

Mods feel free to close off my thread, it has run its course and I won't let it degenerate due to one individual who seems to have a habit of this behaviour based on other threads,

Regards

Stevo

[landyfromanuthaland]

It can be a combination of too much texting on phones and plain old ordinary speed equals not so flash grammar at times, but is it really a big deal? fair enough for some who,s typing skills are up the putty like mine but for someone who never had any formal training on computors I think I manage ok, even I admit that short cutting words can be annoying to read at times but in the main I understand whats written so it doesnt really blow my skirt up too much, no doubt there are those who use computors all day long and using correct grammar is part of that so they would probably get annoyed at those who shortcut or use too much slang or dont hit the space bar hard enough, ahh coupla beers it doesa madda

[GrahamH]

People, let me just say that I appreciate the efforts of those posters who make a genuine effort to use correct spelling and grammar - I find your posts much easier to read than those which fall into the other camp.

It also also helps me when you break up long sentences with commas, full stops, and sensible use of white space. Thankyou one and all.

I also appreciate the intent of those who post with errors although, if the material is seriously flawed (Firefox's Australian English spell checker couldn't handle "errored"), I tend to skim over it, so you may lose me. Nonetheless, I appreciate your effort in making the post.

I do have a request. I would find it much more useful if posters would use meaningful titles for threads. I'm afraid I don't really have time to read threads with titles like "What the ##$@*?" as that gives me no clue as to whether the thread is relevant to me either as a source of information relating to my vehicle, or as one that I might be able to respond to with some (hopefully) useful information. Those that do use meaningful titles; thankyou.

This has, however, been a most interesting thread, and Ron is conspicuous by his absence.

(I am now keeping my fingers crossed that I haven't allowed any significant errors to slip through myself!)

[vnx205]

I would like to endorse the comments in GrahamH's post.
This thread is really about effective communication.

As we have been reminded a few times the original post was about spelling and grammar that was bad enough to make the post difficult to read.

As GrahamH points out there are other things that can interfere with getting the message across.

A good general policy is:
If in doubt start a new sentence. Don't just add a comma and plough on.

If you start a new idea, start a new line.

Don't try to save space on the screen.

Sensible use of white space makes reading easier.

There are other factors. These are probably the easiest and most important. We can all do these.

[p38arover]

I've kept out of this as I hate bad spelling, incorrect use of punctuation, and apostrophes in plurals and elsewhere. (Yes, because this is a list of items, the comma after "punctuation" and in front of "and" is correct :) )

I sometimes go in and edit posts to make them more readable but I don't say anything. I don't complain about the huge number of spelling errors on here - unless we can have a little fun and/or the incorrect words changes the context completely.

As I've said before, I can spell but there are many things that others on here can do which, unfortunately, I can't - so I can't complain (too much :angel: ).

One thing that would really help readability is the addition of a few carriage returns to break up really long paragraphs that meander from subject to subject.

There are a few really bad proponents of that writing style on this forum. :D

My English and grammar aren't great. English was my worst subject at school so I'm no shining light. :(

[vnx205]

I've kept out of this as I hate bad spelling, incorrect use of punctuation, and apostrophes in plurals and elsewhere. (Yes, because this is a list of items, the comma after "punctuation" and in front of "and" is correct )

You are right about the use of the serial comma for the reasons the following link explains.

www.getitwriteonline.com/archive/021201.htm (http://www.getitwriteonline.com/archive/021201.htm)

However, as I am old enough to have received my education just after the middle of the 20th Century, I still hesitate when I see it used before an "and".

After 50 years of following what was the rule in the mid 20th Century it's a bit hard to change.

The article in that link gives some good examples of why it makes good sense to use it.

[vnx205]

Just another observation about this thread.

The poll results have been a bit like the worm that was used for some of the past televised political debates.
Has anyone else been following the progress of the poll results?

The initial post prompted a significant number of responses to option 1.
After a while that dropped below 40%.
That might have been because people were beginning to lose sight of what the thread was really about.

Now it has come back up.
That might be because, as I suggested earlier, there have been some sensible comments on the last few pages.

That might mean that if you have something sensible to say people will take notice.
Or it might be coincidence.
Or the changes might not be statistically significant.
Or I might be wrong.

[rovercare]

Mods feel free to close off my thread, it has run its course and I won't let it degenerate due to one individual who seems to have a habit of this behaviour based on other threads,

Regards

Stevo

Everybody's thread;), why the ownership, that's twice I've written in one of "your threads" and been told, I'm not on topic:(

EDIT: oh, no affiliation with Traveller's comments

[abaddonxi]

Now back to the important stuff.

How do you punctuate around a smiley?

Do you add it to the sentence:D.

Use it in place of punctuation:p although I'm not sure about using one as a comma:eek:

Or give the smiley its own paragraph -

:D:D:D

Ah, I can feel a poll coming on.

Cheers
Simon

[stevo68]

Everybody's thread;), why the ownership, that's twice I've written in one of "your threads" and been told, I'm not on topic:(

EDIT: oh, no affiliation with Traveller's comments And again you are not on topic :p, unless you can tell me what you have written is in relation to the content of the thread? I am quite sure if you put up a thread on something specific, and a bunch of noddy's ( not saying you are one in this instance), starting posting irrelevant rubbish, you just may get narked off:angel:.

Regards

Stevo

P.S. Had to go back and see what the butting of heads was from last time :D, bygones, but my sentiment was well supported.

[rovercare]

Almost anything goes, have a look and drop in a few lines. Think of it as a campfire chat

Since when does campfire chat, stay ontopic:p

By the way, the post in the other thread was quite relevant, but obviously having the ability to smoke in moderation and stop for periods of time when suited, doesn't rub off well on those who, need their daily fix:D

[rovercare]

And again you are not on topic :p, unless you can tell me what you have written is in relation to the content of the thread? I am quite sure if you put up a thread on something specific, and a bunch of noddy's ( not saying you are one in this instance), starting posting irrelevant rubbish, you just may get narked off:angel:.

Regards

Stevo

P.S. Had to go back and see what the butting of heads was from last time :D, bygones, but my sentiment was well supported.

I see nothing above relevant to the original thread topic:mad:

Bit hard to stay OT hey??:D

[stevo68]

I see nothing above relevant to the original thread topic:angry:

Bit hard to stay OT hey??:D Oh FFS, seriously am sick of twinkle toed, small minded twits who have nothing better to do than cause trouble. If you were around my campfire and we were having a relevant conversation about a specific topic and you jumped in with something:


inane
not relevant
immature
absolutely nothing to do with the topic at handI would let you know in no uncertain terms. And no your post in the other thread wasn't relevant, it was an idiots comment, and the general consensus agreed that what you wrote was totally irrelevant. As are your juvenile comments now. Go play giggle, giggle somewhere else,

Regards

Stevo

[vnx205]

Now back to the important stuff.

How do you punctuate around a smiley?

Cheers
Simon
I think the answer is you just bung it in, have a look at the post and if it's readable then you've done it right. :p

[Wazza]

Oh FFS, seriously am sick of twinkle toed, small minded twits who have nothing better to do than cause trouble.



Hear hear:wasntme:

[Camo]

Oh FFS, seriously am sick of twinkle toed, small minded twits who have nothing better to do than cause trouble. If you were around my campfire and we were having a relevant conversation about a specific topic and you jumped in with something:


I second that.. some guys havn't got a clue :thumbsdown:

[Wazza]

I second that.. some guys havn't got a clue :thumbsdown:


I hope you are not refering to me?????:angel::angel::angel::angel:

[rovercare]

Oh FFS, seriously am sick of twinkle toed, small minded twits who have nothing better to do than cause trouble. If you were around my campfire and we were having a relevant conversation about a specific topic and you jumped in with something:


inane
not relevant
immature
absolutely nothing to do with the topic at handI would let you know in no uncertain terms. And no your post wasn't relevant, it was an idiots comment, and the general consensus agreed that what you wrote was totally irrelevant. As are your juvenile comments now. Go play giggle, giggle somewhere else,

Regards

Stevo

So its ok for you to heckle my posts, state the standards of how people should condone their posts, like this topic! write a list of personal insults towards myself, You are a self important hypocrite;)

Obviously well educated people like yourself have a more OT feel about their campfire, the point of my initial post to you, was that ITS NOT YOUR ****ING CAMPFIRE, its everyones, when it gets OT, thats the way it flows, pull your head in

Last Post for myself


P.S. you own that D3 outright, or is it the banks/ lease company??

[Camo]

I hope you are not refering to me?????

haha not you Wazza

[Wazza]

Last Post for myself





Thank **** for that


Wazza

[DRanged]

Got a joke that suits this topic.


What does DNA stand for------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
National Dyslexic Association.


Justin

[vnx205]

I actually saw this graffiti near Central Station in Sydney about 10 or 20 years ago.

DYSLEXIA LURES KO

[bolts]

P.S. you own that D3 outright, or is it the banks/ lease company??[/quote]

What has this to do with anything on this post- and what concern is it to you. Wont anyone give you finance to buy one, so you have a personal dig at people who can afford one. Please go and get a life somewhere other than on this forum.

[Outlaw]

So from reading the first post this thread is about "To Spell or not to Spell" right? :imwithstupid::oops2:

[muddydigger]

So its ok for you to heckle my posts, state the standards of how people should condone their posts, like this topic! write a list of personal insults towards myself, You are a self important hypocrite;)

Obviously well educated people like yourself have a more OT feel about their campfire, the point of my initial post to you, was that ITS NOT YOUR ****ING CAMPFIRE, its everyones, when it gets OT, thats the way it flows, pull your head in

Last Post for myself


P.S. you own that D3 outright, or is it the banks/ lease company??


Whilst a agree with the overall sentiment of your post, what has another forum members finances got to do with you? Fairdinkum mate, that is highly irregular and damn right rude, you sir are the one that needs to pull your head in. By all means make your point and have your say but please , lets not make this a personal attack on people who don't share your view point.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

enough.