4WD Hoon's

[Dinty]

G'day All, Just heard on the local news that the RFS and Gov't bodies are reviewing Youtube clips for 4WD Hoon's and according to them they are going to prosecute, claiming damage to fire trails etc. The fine they are proposing is $200,000:eek:, anyway cheers Dennis:wasntme:
PS Don't shoot me I'm only the messenger, area's being targeted are the Sth Coast NSW.

[Stepho_62]

I'm with Pat

[Outlaw]

yep agreed, go get 'em as they give us all a bad name :D

[Wazza]

The only hassle i see is that if footage of legit 4wding in the bush can look at times look like we are chopping the tracks up.


Wazza

[discowhite]

totally agree! after seing what a mess appin is in a few fines wouldnt go astray! as long as the money goes back into track repairs/maintance.

cheers phil

[Tank]

totally agree! after seing what a mess appin is in a few fines wouldnt go astray! as long as the money goes back into track repairs/maintance.

cheers phil
Yeh! that will happen, I'm sure, Regards Frank.

[Outlaw]

hmmm good point wazza :o

[muddydigger]

The footage on You tube doesnt show any hooning or disrespect for the enviroment. At worst it showed on vehicle struggling for traction in a deep rut, refered to in a newspaper article as a wombats hole, implying a home for an animal. The story follows a news article in a Sydeny Paper that completely misrepresnts what happend, It delibratly decieves the reader and only tells a sensationalised story.
The video footage didnt show any hooning, just a bunch of 4wds driving slowly through ruts.

the video in question, form your own opinion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ADwzvtqMdo

[mcrover]

I wish they would do something like that in the vic high country.

Might slow a few down.

[vnx205]

The media certainly like to make 4WDers look as bad as they possibly can.
A couple of years back some idiots did wheelies, donuts, etc in Bendethra Valley.
Media reports made it sound as if there was not a blade of grass left in the whole campsite.
Anyone who has been there will know that it just would not be possible to do that to the whole campsite. It's about 4km long.
A neighbour was there less than a month later and said the grass was already growing back.
By the time I went there on a couple of visits some 6 months later, I couldn't see where they had been.

Just so there is no misunderstanding, I think what they did was wrong, idiotic, and antisocial. If I had seen them I would have certainly recorded their rego and reported them.
My point is that the media reports did not give an accurate picture of the extent of the damage. They just wanted to blacken the name of 4WDers as much as possible by a ludicrously exaggerated description of the damage.

[vnx205]

Did any of the media reports mention the other side of the coin?
I have known firetrails that only remained open because 4WDers did regular basic maintenance on them.

[Cap]

What sh!ts me about all this is the typical "Everyone is a hoon" attitude. Just because the minority of 4wds may do this, doesnt mean we all do it. The same stuff happens to bike riders as well, especailly in the stunt business where we were out promoting stunt riding as a ligit sport but hoons doing wheelies down busy suburnan lanes with people around just kept giving everyone a bad name...

This will go away and be forgoten.. and then the same stuff will apear again a few years later. Just seems to go in cycles like that.

[taff]

i don't think anything about that video deserves a hoon tag just looked like a bunch of varying degress of experience/capabilities of vehicles and a few people having a good 4wd day out.
looks a good track as well :cool:

[barryj]

The third vehicle and driver were not up to scratch as far as I'm concerned. The others handled the track with care and did not risk anything.

What the public will be concerned about is the photo sessions and the giggling from the onlookers. I know everyone seems to want the 'magic photo' showing what they can do but there is a limit.

I personally would have taken the alternate track as I am interested in a vehicle to take me to my destination, not to risk damage to the environment and vehicle. They are both very precious and expensive to maintain.

My point of view for what it's worth.

[HangOver]

no hoons just not a very good driver and/or machine.
I dont think that would have done any more damage to the track than a good down pour of rain

[Graz]

I agree too. Need a deterent to stop these twits like the one that hacked up the Holland Track a while ago

[googe]

Same old arguement,its up to the individual,4x4's were built for a reson,guns were built for a reson,human being's were built for a reson,it's up to the idividual to evaluate the reson and justifi it,the justice system wont do much but slap a wrist.



Greg

:burnrubber:

[Disco Steve]

That video didnt show hooning! Infact the first 2 got though very well. and the 3rd was just inexperienced.

Cheers Steve

[100I]

I haven't seen the news story but the footage doesn't look outrageous to me. The 80s did it with ease. My near stock D1 would walk that too.
The bloke in the ute has NFI and the car is, well, not suited. Mind you the bloke in the Paj shows how to drive an IFS - drive around:D.

[RichardK]

I saw nothing out of the ordinary in that video, with the exception, as mentioned before, of one driver not having the experience that some of the other drivers had had.
Let us remember that we all had to learn and I'm sure all experienced drivers on this forum would have driven in a similar manner at some point.
I am sure that with what I saw there that the inexperienced driver was in good company to learn more about his/her vehicle.

I have experienced "Hoons", or should I say peanut brains who have set out to mash tracks, that was one of the reasons I quit a certain club.

[barryj]

I saw nothing out of the ordinary in that video, with the exception, as mentioned before, of one driver not having the experience that some of the other drivers had had.
Let us remember that we all had to learn and I'm sure all experienced drivers on this forum would have driven in a similar manner at some point.
I am sure that with what I saw there that the inexperienced driver was in good company to learn more about his/her vehicle.

I have experienced "Hoons", or should I say peanut brains who have set out to mash tracks, that was one of the reasons I quit a certain club.

I would suggest the third guy did not learn much due to all the picture taking and giggle. Maybe this shows that some drivers need formal training if they want to tackle those situations.

I know we all had/have to learn as I did but to damage tracks to create a giggle session for the onlookers is what the media thrive on.

[mojo]

Nothing particularly bad in that vid that I could see - in this case it would seem to be a media beat up, surprise surprise ... :rolleyes:

Have no problems with fining real hoons though.

[JohnE]

saw it on the news last night and am still laughing, the classic beat up, the track they showed with the drop off , saying tankers couldn't get through because it was chopped up, showed a rock ledge drop off, caused by erosion, I suspect this is a ploy for more money,
what was hooning, nothing that i could see,
and the threats to prosecute based on video footage from utube, poses some questions ,
virtually impossible, why?, because a vehicle driving on a track doesn't give a location only shows a track which could be anywhere!


john

[Quiggers]

It think it was Rupert Murdoch who said:

'Never let the facts get in the road of a good story.'

GQ

[RonMcGr]

The video did not look like "Hooning" to me, my like a drive in the country testing out Jap vehicles :)

Mind you a couple could do with a bit more training in off road driving..

[Cap]

Now I recon the people who designed the new Hummer should put it through that track... :D :D :D

[discowhite]

Now I recon the people who designed the new Hummer should put it through that track... :D :D :D

it wouldnt fit now! trust me:cool:

cheers phil

[Chenz]

If that is hooning then I'm never going to drop the clutch at the lights again.

But seriously, I don't see a problem with the type of activity on the enclosed YouTube clip.

The guys I hate are the ones that cut their own tracks and wreck bush and those brain dead morons who have a weekend in the bush and leave cans and stubbies laying around all over the place.

The Yogies are partly to blame by putting in Tank Traps which just encourage the hoons to go around them wrecking even more bush.

I don't have a probem with them fining the $hit out of those you wreck it for everyboby but we need to be careful that we don't give the anti 4WD lobby more ammo to shoot us with.

[muddydigger]

Can I just say that I am a member of another 4wd forum, and the outrage there is rampant. I myself have drafted and sent a letter to two of the media outlets. I personally have had enough of this misleading journalism and continued barraging of 4wders.

It really is time that 4wders stand up and be counted. I think that the vast majority of this forum who have seen the video footage, will agree that no hooning took place. Yet they continued to say that the drivers were destroying Wombats homes, and the tracks were used by fire trucks, it further added to the insult by saying the Rural fire brigade spend six million dollars a year to maintain those tracks when infact its the local 4wd clubs that clean and maintain the area.

If I may and no one objects I will post a link to the other forum which shows that finally some action is being taken against this sensationalised journalism.

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php't=122955

[barney]

the 4wd association public relations guy should be straight onto this. apart from the volunteer track maintenance, there was also the .A.B.U.G. cleanups in the appin area.
admittedly they did mention on the story on channel 7 that the "hoons" are the minority and most 4wders did the right thing.
if it wasn't for the 4wdrivers, most of these tracks would be impassable with trees across them and vegetation overgrowing, blocking the track. look at the problems that came about during some of the major fires in national parks over the last couple of years.

[mcrover]

it wouldnt fit now! trust me:cool:

cheers phil

I cant veiw the vid but the new hummer is about the same dimentions as a hilux or rodeo so unless they were all in suzukis then I recon it would at least fit.

[Landy110]

The really bad part about the news reports is that they implied that the 4 W Drivers made the track that way.
And Phil Copeberg ddn't help at all.
Yes 4WD's help keep tracks open. I wonder how many firies lives have been saved because a 4wd had been down a track the week before and cleared a fallen tree that might have blocked the escape of a fire truck from danger?
Water causes erosion, 4wd's often help smooth it out in my experience

[dlatn]

Only ******* would take this track and not the one around the bit of scrub. City people perhaps?

[barryj]

Only ******* would take this track and not the one around the bit of scrub. City people perhaps?

I agree, these are often the people who complain about car park trolley dents but don't seem to mind trying to batter their vehicles in the bush :mad:.

[rovercare]

I agree, these are often the people who complain about car park trolley dents but don't seem to mind trying to batter their vehicles in the bush :mad:.

I complain about car park dents and batter my vehicle in the bush:)

I HATE car park dents:mad: well the people who cause them:nazilock:

[Slunnie]

Only ******* would take this track and not the one around the bit of scrub. City people perhaps?
If it's where I think it is, I'm pretty sure there isn't a track around it. Through that area actually isn't a difficult drive although there is a lot of lean. I doubt very much that the erosion has been caused by the 4WD's, more likely by the erosion that the track has attracted, something that is often overlooked - but the 4WD's don't help it either. They don't drive like city people - much too slow. :p

[dlatn]

If anyone on this site plays in the video, its a 4WD yobbo zone. lets remember thant landcruiser drivers are also able to legaly purchase and drive landrovers, and nobody is veting their rgistration on this site.
If there was a obviously good track that would not generate greater erosion and provided a much easier path around, what the **** was any driver going there for anyway. **** wits!
landrover people dont **** around comparing **** lengths, stretching departure angles.
landy people, they can **** off bush and get away from **** like that.
thats what makes australia great.
if you have a landy, you can **** off from ***** that wannna ruin the tracks for the fun of it.
thankfully, the good drivers go out bush and theses stupid **** dont come back.

yobbos, hoons, ****wits, yeah

[Greylandy]

If anyone on this site plays in the video, its a 4WD yobbo zone. lets remember thant landcruiser drivers are also able to legaly purchase and drive landrovers, and nobody is veting their rgistration on this site.
If there was a obviously good track that would not generate greater erosion and provided a much easier path around, what the **** was any driver going there for anyway. **** wits!
landrover people dont **** around comparing **** lengths, stretching departure angles.
landy people, they can **** off bush and get away from ***** like that.
thats what makes australia great.
if you have a landy, you can **** off from ***** that wannna ruin the tracks for the fun of it.
thankfully, the good drivers go out bush and theses stupid ***** dont come back.

yobbos, hoons, ****wits, yeah

So you don't really have a strong opinion about the subject ...;):wasntme:

[numpty]

If anyone on this site plays in the video, its a 4WD yobbo zone. lets remember thant landcruiser drivers are also able to legaly purchase and drive landrovers, and nobody is veting their rgistration on this site.
If there was a obviously good track that would not generate greater erosion and provided a much easier path around, what the **** was any driver going there for anyway. **** wits!
landrover people dont **** around comparing **** lengths, stretching departure angles.
landy people, they can **** off bush and get away from ***** like that.
thats what makes australia great.
if you have a landy, you can **** off from ***** that wannna ruin the tracks for the fun of it.
thankfully, the good drivers go out bush and theses stupid ***** dont come back.

yobbos, hoons, ****wits, yeah


In the words of that great exponent of the English language........QUE?:D

He must be from Barcelona.

[mittadisco]

If anyone on this site plays in the video, its a 4WD yobbo zone. lets remember thant landcruiser drivers are also able to legaly purchase and drive landrovers, and nobody is veting their rgistration on this site.
If there was a obviously good track that would not generate greater erosion and provided a much easier path around, what the **** was any driver going there for anyway. **** wits!
landrover people dont **** around comparing **** lengths, stretching departure angles.
landy people, they can **** off bush and get away from ***** like that.
thats what makes australia great.
if you have a landy, you can ***** off from ***** that wannna ruin the tracks for the fun of it.
thankfully, the good drivers go out bush and theses stupid ***** dont come back.

yobbos, hoons, ****wits, yeah

Well said - I know exactly what you're driving at. Never let it be said that landy drivers would ever drive up those eroded gullies when there was a track to the side which looked easily passable in two wheel drive. But then again after a bit of rain the other track would probably start to look like the track the block heads (only because they don't drive the best 4wd in the world) were trying to practice their driving skills and test their rigs on.... I'm enjoying your posts dlatn..... very colourful especially after you've had a few.

[Zute]

I think thats fair.

If you hoon in the bush then brag about what you know is wrong/stupid/not environmentally correct...

Fair cop I say :D

Im looking at your Avatar and your doing the same thing.

[taff]

Only ******* would take this track and not the one around the bit of scrub. City people perhaps?


what a stupid comment. :mad:
some of us actually buy 4wd's to get out and enjoy the challenge of tracks like that whilst still being as considerate as possible to the environment.
comments like that are what causes these reports on the news by people who would never take their car off the bitumen and buy a 4wd as a fashion statement.
just because you don't enjoy doing so doesn't mean other's don't and it certainly doesn't mean those that do are all ******* that wreck the bush and so forth.
as for them being **** wits for taking pictures and having a giggle - almost every thread on here has a request from half a dozen or more people requesting pics (hypocrits springs to mind) and everyone must admit that when an inexperienced 4wd er (as i am) makes a few mistakes people have a giggle then offer advice and that's the way to learn.

my 2c worth.
jason

[mns488]

Am I?
If you look carefully the vehicle is stationary sans driver :D Its not going anywhere!!

BUT...on the day in question we were driving along a made track, that is open for use, it was dry...and there was NO hooning involved ;) I'm too old for hooning :D

come on, i often see classic cars like that one 'hooning' through the bush;)

not

:)

[discowhite]

Quote:
Originally Posted by dlatn https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/08/768.jpg (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/showthread.php?p=622911#post622911)
Only ******* would take this track and not the one around the bit of scrub. City people perhaps?


what a stupid comment. :angry:


here here!
this is half the problem out there! its the idiots that go out to a place that has better than average 4x4 tracks and expect their stock whatever to go places they really cant! these tools are the ones that have bulldozed the extra tracks around the hard bits, which has made the place look a right mess!
the errosion thats now in the track in the vdo is really bad, BUT its not all caused by the 4x4ers! how much rain did whe have a while back? bloody lots, that caused a fair bit of damage, BUT it still dosent help that some tools went out their after/during the rain and cut the place up



If it's where I think it is, I'm pretty sure there isn't a track around it. Through that area actually isn't a difficult drive although there is a lot of lean

slunnie, this bit is b4 the steps, and yes there is now 2 tracks around one up the hill and one up the creek.
and is is quite difficult to drive now especially if you dont have a locker and like dragging your gutter on the side of a bank.
about a k in from the bridge there is now another track that has been bulldozed across a corner, totally pointless! all the marks left on that track are those of a bottomed out 4x4 being dragged by a winch.

also i was there for the first clean up, and all i can say is while there is bugger all rubbish in and around the track areas, the old stockpile area where the rubbish was to be picked up from and disposed of still isnt clean! and now there is a whole lot of builders rubble that im sure wasnt there b4. i know i wouldnt drive for any length of time to dump rubbish there and neither would most other folk.
is i think the people close to the area need a good looking at.

the finger can be pointed in alot of directions.

be constructive not destructive.


phil

[barryj]

Time out, group hug required :).

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Only ******* would take this track and not the one around the bit of scrub. City people perhaps?
The problem that I have with the scene is that there is a track around the obstacle. Someone in the past decided that it was better to bash a path through the bush and not do any of the maintenance that we so often claim that we do.

We can't have it both ways - either we, as a class of people, do the maintenance and not cut new tracks around obstacles or we get labeled 4WD hoons.

The newly cut tracks are very clear evidence of bush bashing.

Just my opinion.

Diana

[discowhite]

The problem that I have with the scene is that there is a track around the obstacle. Someone in the past decided that it was better to bash a path through the bush and not do any of the maintenance that we so often claim that we do.

We can't have it both ways - either we, as a class of people, do the maintenance and not cut new tracks around obstacles or we get labeled 4WD hoons.

The newly cut tracks are very clear evidence of bush bashing.

Just my opinion.

Diana

and its spot on!

cheers phil

[Merv]

and its spot on!



Ditto

It is the extra track that we should be worrying about. When some of the clowns in the less then capable vehicles get to a part of a track that is too difficult for them they just go around and make new tracks instead of turning around. I am surprised some extreme greenie hasnt picked up on it from the video

[p38arover]

Ditto

It is the extra track that we should be worrying about. When some of the clowns in the less then capable vehicles get to a part of a track that is too difficult for them they just go around and make new tracks instead of turning around.

That's all very well for you to say.

If there's a chicken track, I'll take it. I'm not going to damage my car if I can avoid it. There have a been a number of occasions when I haven't proceeded any further as I wasn't willing to try the difficult section.

However, one might be in a convoy on a trip and there is no other way - then one would be tempted to created a bypass. The alternative might be to abort the trip for those unwilling to damage their cars.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

... ...However, one might be in a convoy on a trip and there is no other way - then one would be tempted to created a bypass. The alternative might be to abort the trip for those unwilling to damage their cars.
Ron

Have to agree with you about damaging the car, it's my daily driver and I can't be without it.

The issue for us should be, that if we come upon a section of track that is impassable for all the cars in the convoy, then we should do some road maintenance there and then. Planning a maintenance expedition sometime in the future may not be soon enough for the fire that comes next week. An hours work by a half dozen or more people can do a lot, particularly if we also make modifications that re-direct water away from the wheel ruts and off the track.

If we want to claim the high ground as environmentally aware and not 4WD hoons, these are things we must consider.

They may not always be possible! And if the cut track is already there we should possibly use it because it may have been created by Forrestry or RFS.

Diana

[rovercare]

At the end of the day, its a track with 100 year turn around, get over it and stop bagging other 4 wheel drivers, everyone is on the same side, regardless of what you think should and shouldn't de driven

I'll take you all out in my backyard and show you the once stripped mountains that were once farmland in the early 20th century and have a look now, see if you can tell

Its a little patch of dirt, the reason to be so careful of tracks etc, is to appeal to the whingers of the world, because its what is seen, when their are many more harmful things done

Dont think I'm a hoon, I HATE rubbish droppers, and but everyone else is their for fun, with all these bloody standards it'd be easier to just stay indoors

If you can't afford to damage your car, simple, go around or don't go at all, just like Ron said, but whinging that people are hooning, wayne kerrs etc, is dividing a group, that needs as many numbers as possible

People with stock ones bagging modified ones, modified ones bagging those with stock ones, what a joke!

We're all 4 wheel drivers, we all need to stick together:mad:

Edit: not actually directed to one in particular, but most posters

[dirtdawg]

in the words of arnold " you are all big girly men"

[muddydigger]

I cant believe some of the comments I am reading. There was absolutely no evidence of hooning in that video. I posted the video so you could all see exactly what was being judged. Not so that you could all start having a scrag fight among yourselves! Fairdinkum ladies, pull your skirts up an realise the problem. Media outlets across this country have persistently singled out and vilified 4wds and their owners. This Footage was another case, that this time went too far, selling on myth, lies and innuendo. I have spoken directly to the driver of the said red Hilux, I can confirm it was his first time out, in his first 4wd. He had absolutely no intent to cause damage. The onlookers that were giggling were doing so at his expense in regard to a comment he made earlier that day re his skills, not that fact that he was damaging the environment.

I say good on him, he gave it ago, more balls than common sense maybe, but he wanted to learn. We as 4wders enjoy the challenge of track its part of the hype that goes with 4wding. We all learn our capabilities when we reach them, he came close but he did get the vehicle out damage free and very little damage to the track. Let me also say that these same blokes skull dragged burnt out and wrecked cars from this area in 4wd club organised clean ups, which would of caused ten times the soil erosion this episode caused, much to the delight of the local councillor that in this instance now wants all 4wds banned from the area.

Its all well and good saying lets take the chicken track but often there isn't one and learn we must, and evidently the the recent formation of the other track suggests that indeed this was the case with this area not so long ago. Is it environmentally wrong to erode a little soil spinning the wheels to get out or push a new track so that people whom don't wish to damage their trucks can continue in their pride and joy? With out so much as a scratch!

The track in case is not a gazetted fire trail either and NO fire truck would even attempt going down it as it was and always was declared “'dead mans zone” ie if a fire was close, this area would be back burnt only.

At the end of the day we as 4wders are tared with the same brush. And its an image that we must ALL work on. We must lend our support to this cause not taking moral high ground ( or chicken tracks) abusing each other with out being fully furnished with the facts. We all have an opinion weather we would or wouldn't take the other track, but we all have the same goal: to enjoy the bush and if this type of gutter garbage tabloid gets its way you wont get the choice anymore, the gates will be shut!

[Zute]

Am I?
If you look carefully the vehicle is stationary sans driver :D Its not going anywhere!!

So you didn't drive it in there ?

BUT...on the day in question we were driving along a made track, that is open for use, it was dry...and there was NO hooning involved ;) I'm too old for hooning :D

I'm sure the guys in the video can say the same.

and what about you....this would qualify for hooning if my avatar does

I dont have a problem with them or you driving trails.

and this.....your own avatar http://www.aulro.com/afvb/image.php?u=14694&dateline=1181295829

No wombats were harmed.:)

Sorry about the Commodore thing.:angel:

[Zute]

Ron


They may not always be possible! And if the cut track is already there we should possibly use it because it may have been created by Forrestry or RFS.

Diana
.
Most of the tracks we all drive would have been originally been made to log or mine that area. I don't think there would be any virgin bush in Australia that hasn't been logged at some time.
Its time that areas are set aside for us to enjoy our sport. If they can spend millions on kayak white water courses, why not us.

[muddydigger]

Just a foot note to my last post. After numerous letters and emails of compliant the paper concerned attended a meeting today organised by the 4wders. They had a photo shop and were made aware of the inaccuracies in their story. They have agreed to print a remission and have agreed to print some good news stories with regard to 4wds.
This solidarity shows that as one voice we can have a say!

[RonMcGr]

Just a foot note to my last post. After numerous letters and emails of compliant the paper concerned attended a meeting today organised by the 4wders. They had a photo shop and were made aware of the inaccuracies in their story. They have agreed to print a remission and have agreed to print some good news stories with regard to 4wds.
This solidarity shows that as one voice we can have a say!

That is certainly better than your previous post!

[muddydigger]

That is certainly better than your previous post!

What was wrong with it?

[Bushie]

I
The track in case is not a gazetted fire trail either and NO fire truck would even attempt going down it as it was and always was declared “'dead mans zone” ie if a fire was close, this area would be back burnt only.



As I work in the RFS and part of my job is related to fire trail maintenance, I'm not going to pass much comment except to say there isn't any such thing as a gazetted fire trail in NSW. Only trails over various managed lands that may be there for fire management purposes.


Martyn

[muddydigger]

As I work in the RFS and part of my job is related to fire trail maintenance, I'm not going to pass much comment except to say there isn't any such thing as a gazetted fire trail in NSW. Only trails over various managed lands that may be there for fire management purposes.


Martyn

Thanks for the imformation. I repeated it as the imformation was given to me.

[barryj]

I should damn well think so :mad:
You can call me a hoon all you like....

But to even suggest that I should buy a crummydore :TIC:


Hmm, I wonder what a crumpledore would look like with a series 1 parked on top :D.