What do we do?

[landyfromanuthaland]

Our next door nieghbour a lovely young girl has just found out her husband of ten years has been molesting her two daughters, one fifteen the other eight,

Once she was aware of this she immediately ousted said rock spider from the house and the Police were involved and now its going to get messy.

The rock spider i once called a mate has approached my wife asking her to keep in contact with him about his kids etc

Personally I dont want her even having anything to do with him as she maybe called by the Police at some stage to make a statement as my wife was the one who initially talked to the older girl for the mother and gathered the information,

Am I right in thinking this guy can go rot in hell and we shouldnt have to communicate with him in anyway?
Theres an injunction out on him now that states he can be forecefully removed from this suburb itself, and if he approaches us to get to the kids we would or might be in violation of the order?

Andy

[dirtdawg]

shootin is too good

[googe]

What does your wife wont to do andy? Its a big call getting involved,if your wife and you wont to be involved you will have to be there for the long haul its not an easy position to be in.Its always wise to let the authorties do there job but 9/10 time they dont so no mater what happenes if you get into it you have to be prepeared to do anything you can.Its like walk away or comit.

Greg

[mittadisco]

1. Keep out of it as much as possible, except give all the support you can to the wife and children, as apropriate and in their time. Most likely best through your wife. Always be with your wife if they request you to visit even for the most basic thing. Never go alone to their house.
2. Yes - do not encourage communication with this fellow. Do not treat him as an enemy as such but as someone whom you do not want anything to do with. I see no problem in cutting any realtionship with him He has blown any kind of trust. (This may change with time if he becomes truly 'repentent' - but with a long time - and with evidence of true contrition and only if it causes no harm to wife and children. That may never occur again).
3. Keep in your mind that this type of person is liable to reoffend. If not his own children - maybe even nieces, nephews or grandchildren.
4. I hope the wife involved finds community or church or family support. She and her girls will need it.
3. Your wife must not become the conduit between him and his children. he has blown it.... if you have caller id on your phone use it and don't answer his calls.

[skidmark77]

What it comes down to is he is a pedophile and lost any right to be part of their life the moment he touched them in that way. you should not even be contemplating any contact with him.

:rocket:

[p38arover]

I have to ask how the wife/mother found out.

Regrettably, some wives/mothers can't accept it happens in their family.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

What it comes down to is he is a pedophile and lost any right to be part of their life the moment he touched them in that way. you should not even be contemplating any contact with him.

:rocket:
As long as we are sure he has perpetrated all this mess. i.e Is convicted.

Having worked in a paediatric emergency department - it is awful when child abuse happens - there are occasions when, often during a divorce these allegations are fabricated and used against the estranged partner.

It is best not to get involved.

Diana

[rovercare]

Take you "mate" camping with nothing but a rifle and a shovel:mad:

[stevo68]

Take you "mate" camping with nothing but a rifle and a shovel:angry: Something we can agree on :D. There are some major no-no's in life, doesn't matter what walk of life you are from. Assuming that the accusations can be substantiated ie innocent till proven guilty, that is something that the majority of people, especially parents, would want the worst to come that persons way. They may not admit it out loud, but they would want it. God forbid anybody did something like that to my angel's, retribution would be swift and brutal :angrylock:

Regards

Stevo

[rovercare]

Something we can agree on :D. There are some major no-no's in life, doesn't matter what walk of life you are from. Assuming that the accusations can be substantiated ie innocent till proven guilty, that is something that the majority of people, especially parents, would want the worst to come that persons way. They may not admit it out loud, but they would want it. God forbid anybody did something like that to my angel's, retribution would be swift and brutal :angrylock:

Regards

Stevo

Worst crime in the world, kiddly fiddlers, should have things done to them, that is to far outside my imagination, once proven, should die a nasty death

But murder on the other hand, is forgiveable......................Use the above scenario;)

[mcrover]

Keep well clear of him Andy and Mrs andy, there is nothing good that could come of it, he is the one who has done WRONG so now he will have to live with his actions and if that means that he has no contact or onformation about his kids then so be it.

The kids are the most important people here, and they wont need anymore crap from their Dad.

[dirtdawg]

hmmmmm bamboo under the fingernails comes to mind

[barryj]

1. Keep out of it as much as possible, except give all the support you can to the wife and children, as apropriate and in their time. Most likely best through your wife. Always be with your wife if they request you to visit even for the most basic thing. Never go alone to their house.
2. Yes - do not encourage communication with this fellow. Do not treat him as an enemy as such but as someone whom you do not want anything to do with. I see no problem in cutting any realtionship with him He has blown any kind of trust. (This may change with time if he becomes truly 'repentent' - but with a long time - and with evidence of true contrition and only if it causes no harm to wife and children. That may never occur again).
3. Keep in your mind that this type of person is liable to reoffend. If not his own children - maybe even nieces, nephews or grandchildren.
4. I hope the wife involved finds community or church or family support. She and her girls will need it.
3. Your wife must not become the conduit between him and his children. he has blown it.... if you have caller id on your phone use it and don't answer his calls.

I have to agree with the above.

We don't understand why these things happen but I would not agree to be a go between.

Trained and experienced counselling would be my suggestion.

And also we cannot just shoot these types but as a society we should try to 'reprogramme' these guys somehow.

[DirtyDawg]

:twisted::twisted::twisted:send him my way:twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted:
Sith is a "boner" by trade and I have a 44gal drum already..

Those kids will be ****ed over for their whole lives while he'll get 10yrs out in 5yrs...all because of the do gooders:twisted::twisted:

Ultimate crime deserves the D.Penalty:twisted:

[landyfromanuthaland]

Thanks for the info guys, I guess we are on the same wavelength with this the mongrel, I dont want him on my lawn or I should say dirt at the moment, in my street or anywhere near us or other peoples kids, the Police said he was reported many years ago before his marriage to niki for fiddling with his then wifes sisters daughter, so he not new to this.

We can only support niki as far as she will want to be supported my wife and her have been friends since they were littlies, shes quiet angry at the moment, one minute your telling someone how much you love them, the next you want to see them dead.

I dont know, its a strange world and getting stranger by the minute , you just have no idea who is living next to you these days.

[Bushwanderer]

I don't understand rockspiders!

We have a responsibility to protect the young!

In this case, I think that he should be treated as guilty until proven innocent! Therefore, NO CONTACT!

[muddydigger]

Get the wife to seek counciling and support from a professional.

[Blknight.aus]

:twisted::twisted::twisted:send him my way:twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted:
Sith is a "boner" by trade and I have a 44gal drum already..

Those kids will be ****ed over for their whole lives while he'll get 10yrs out in 5yrs...all because of the do gooders:twisted::twisted:

Ultimate crime deserves the D.Penalty:twisted:

why do you need the boner?

fill the drum with hydrofluric acid and dangle him in feet first...

or take him somewhere thats 2 days walk from anywhere and dose him with hypos of aircraft hydraulic oil

[landyfromanuthaland]

Theres a much easier way guys, we bag and gag him, drive to Ceduna in South Oz, hire a boat, chum up some big Great Whites and over he goes, knowone would ever know!,

My wife is a very strong person in the mind department, shes been through hell and back and is doing her best to handle Niki in a sensitive way, we already are observing shes not eating, she looks gaunt and run down from non stop crying, what the hell do you do, just being there and lending the shoulder is about it at the moment.

We can only watch and keep an eye on things, this sort of thing really ruffles my feathers in a big way, yes he must be proven guilty but thats merely a technicality, we know he did it, he knows he did it, I fail to understand why they do it? what drives them ? specially there own flesh and blood, could you rehabilitate these types? personally I doubt it.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

.... I fail to understand why they do it? what drives them ? specially there own flesh and blood, could you rehabilitate these types? personally I doubt it.
It's a very sad sad time for everyone, It seems that something is missing in these people and they get confused about proper parental nurturing "love" and the sexual kind.

We have come beyond the animalistic instinct to procreate, yet for some they can't help but lapse back to their base nature.

I don't think we have knowledge or the resources to rehabilitate these people so that they stop offending. But being a bleeding heart I also don't agree with vigilantism. Paedophiles do not have an easy time in prison. Lets leave it at that and hope his stay is long.

Diana

[mittadisco]

It sounds like your wife has a sound and wise approach to the situation..... How about N's sisters, mother, aunt, .... espec women she can confide in. She will be feeling unclean herself, and for her poor daughters. There will be anger - she needs someone beside her in some form - sometimes a 'professional', sometimes a close friend, sometimes her minister&his wife if she has connections with a church etc - If your wife has N confidence, can your wife supply meals, do something like place some flowers around the house, etc etc. Remember though she and her girls need space as well, so don't smother. My heart bleeds for her and for her daughters (I have 3 now grown up). (I have seen this type of evilness within families before and with a grandfather of a family I knew, who abused hsi grandchildren. The heart, mind, will and emotions of some people seems to be totally seered. He will and should have his day of judgement before the civil magistrate and before God...)

[landyfromanuthaland]

The question why this occurs and why we never pick up on it will never be answered, guess its like a cleptomaniac , they dont know why they steal its just that they have too, something tells them too do it, rockys are in the same boat I think, Its not even worth trying to get your mind around it,

[CraigE]

My kids, I would eradicate the moron.
However in your position keep objective for a while, until it is confirmed. Nothing worse than condeming someone only to find out later they did not do it.
Not saying you should talk or help him at all. Just do not get to emotionally involved. Support the mother and kids as best you can until a positive determination has been made.
I have seen both sides where someone has done it and should be strung up and the flip side where the thought was continually put into a childs head by the mother in a divorce case until the young child believed it happened. In the end the father got custody.
There is no reason to doubt the kids and I would believe them and suport them but just tread carefully.
:mad::mad:

[jik22]

Assuming 100% guilty, have nothing to do with him. A bullet is too good for scum like this.

[barryj]

I cannot believe the comments that have been made here.

Do we want to be a communist nation and shoot before both sides have been voiced in a proper court of law?

Next thing we will have the death penalty for every offence.

Just support those in need, both sides of the coin, or is Australia's British heritage still rife ..... expelled for steeling a loaf of bread?

My version, although I do not condone child molesting at all.

[jik22]

I cannot believe the comments that have been made here.


I fail to see what bit you're struggling with....or don't you have kids?

If ANYONE messes with children in this way, they deserve stringing up and being left to die slowly. If we had a death sentence for this type of crime, as well as other very serious ones, we might have less people doing them (and certainly less repeat offenders!).

I'm glad you mentioned the UK - I've just come from there, and let me tell you, crime is through the roof after more than 10 years of a soft, lefty government that likes lenient sentences and removing the rights of the public to defend themselves, and the mob before not being much better in their last years of power. :mad:

[jik22]

All this just tells me one thing....

human beings, as intelligent as we think we are, are purely and simply just animals ;)

Yep, that we are. :)

[barryj]

shootin is too good


Take you "mate" camping with nothing but a rifle and a shovel:mad:


hmmmmm bamboo under the fingernails comes to mind


:twisted::twisted::twisted:send him my way:twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted:
Sith is a "boner" by trade and I have a 44gal drum already..

Those kids will be ****ed over for their whole lives while he'll get 10yrs out in 5yrs...all because of the do gooders:twisted::twisted:

Ultimate crime deserves the D.Penalty:twisted:


I don't understand rockspiders!

We have a responsibility to protect the young!

In this case, I think that he should be treated as guilty until proven innocent! Therefore, NO CONTACT!


why do you need the boner?

fill the drum with hydrofluric acid and dangle him in feet first...

or take him somewhere thats 2 days walk from anywhere and dose him with hypos of aircraft hydraulic oil


I fail to see what bit you're struggling with....or don't you have kids?

If ANYONE messes with children in this way, they deserve stringing up and being left to die slowly. If we had a death sentence for this type of crime, as well as other very serious ones, we might have less people doing them (and certainly less repeat offenders!).

I'm glad you mentioned the UK - I've just come from there, and let me tell you, crime is through the roof after more than 10 years of a soft, lefty government that likes lenient sentences and removing the rights of the public to defend themselves, and the mob before not being much better in their last years of power. :mad:


Need I say more? Just read the comments for yourself.

Yes I do have children, one Boy and two Girls.

[tony]

Mate as most of the posts have suggested all you can do is be there for the wife an kids.....ready to help in any way they need from a shoulder to cry on or a cooked meal....

as for the spider well I have a shovel, or wouldn't mind

a boat trip

these sorts of crimes GUILTY until proved INNOCENT



Tony

[landyfromanuthaland]

We are averaging one email a day from him and some of his comments are just rediculous, we forward the emails on and she pretty much is getting angrier by the day, now she has one his workers who is ringing and abusing her, that wont be happening anymore as I got hold of him today we had a talk, hes been officially warned off, there is only one warning he wont get a second, he was put up to it by the rocky, he drove by the house today and hes already in breach of his order, the Police can handle them far as I am concerned, I would be only to happy to rock and roll this ratbag but its not going to help her or further my cause.

[dobbo]

Do you really think it is wise to place a story like this on a public forum?

Anyone can read it, look at your previous postings, + your profile to figure out who you are then figure out who he is and then tops him or beats him up for what he has alleged to have done.


Somethings should not really be posted.

[tony]

Do you really think it is wise to place a story like this on a public forum?

Anyone can read it, look at your previous postings, + your profile to figure out who you are then figure out who he is and then tops him or beats him up for what he has alleged to have done.


Somethings should not really be posted.



If theres no doubt of his guilt his name and photo should be posted everywhere....anybody who hurts a child any child in this way has forfited its right to be treated with any decancy....and should be put down at the earlest convince.....the law is just that law its not justice

just my thoughts matt....dont intentionaly mean to offend anyone...

T

[dobbo]

If theres no doubt of his guilt his name and photo should be posted everywhere....anybody who hurts a child any child in this way has forfited its right to be treated with any decancy....and should be put down at the earlest convince.....

just my thoughts matt....dont intentionaly mean to offend anyone...

T


I totally agree, if there is absolutely nom doubt of their guilt.


But what if it's just a messy breakup and a very vindictive woman?

[mittadisco]

We are averaging one email a day from him and some of his comments are just rediculous, we forward the emails on and she pretty much is getting angrier by the day, now she has one his workers who is ringing and abusing her, that wont be happening anymore as I got hold of him today we had a talk, hes been officially warned off, there is only one warning he wont get a second, he was put up to it by the rocky, he drove by the house today and hes already in breach of his order, the Police can handle them far as I am concerned, I would be only to happy to rock and roll this ratbag but its not going to help her or further my cause.


Do not reply to his emails. Do not forward them on. If you can bounce them or put them on a black list whatever. Keep your head down and no more talking with him! This is definitely a matter for the police only.

[mittadisco]

the law is just that law its not justice

Yes the law is the law, and lawkeepers are there to present a case against law breakers. We are then dependent upon the judiciary to administer what is just within a particular case. If needs be, some will go to prison. That's the way it works in our society. Thank goodness we don't have vigilantes taking 'justice' into their own hands. If the courts are weak then we have the right as citizens to call upon our lawmakers and present arguments for the penalties of law breaking to be adjusted. I for one would prefer to see murderers of the ilk of Ivan Milat or those involved with Anita Coby and other such violent sex offenders to be executed. Personally I would not like to see deranged sexual perverts to be executed, even though I may wish it in an emotional way at the time.

[landyfromanuthaland]

Your comments are fair enuff Dobbo, but names have been changed to protect the innocent, think I would use her real name? or his name?

[dobbo]

Your comments are fair enuff Dobbo, but names have been changed to protect the innocent, think I would use her real name? or his name?

You don't need to

This is open to public viewing, he may read it, anyone may.

It's not that hard to get your location though your profile, let alone your IP address. If someone can find you, they could ask around your neighbourhood and find the person, then some "nutjob" who has the same opinion as me and T on the subject but doesn't have the self control to not act out their threats and leave it in the proper authorities hands.

What happens then?

[tony]

Yes the law is the law, and lawkeepers are there to present a case against law breakers. We are then dependent upon the judiciary to administer what is just within a particular case. If needs be, some will go to prison. That's the way it works in our society. Thank goodness we don't have vigilantes taking 'justice' into their own hands. If the courts are weak then we have the right as citizens to call upon our lawmakers and present arguments for the penalties of law breaking to be adjusted. I for one would prefer to see murderers of the ilk of Ivan Milat or those involved with Anita Coby and other such violent sex offenders to be executed. Personally I would not like to see deranged sexual perverts to be executed, even though I may wish it in an emotional way at the time.

What a load of old crock....there is no coloration between the law and justice...our laws have been watered down until they are next to useless by the do goody two shoes who seem to make more noise than the ordinary bloke who minds his own business...I'm sorry but some people have no right to breath the same oxygen as decent foke...

by the way I never make any decision on an emotional basics theres only black or white...right or wrong
just my thoughts no offense intended...


T

[jik22]

Need I say more? Just read the comments for yourself.


You don't need to say any more, as I agree with all of the above posts - they are all valid ways of dealing with such people. You just need to ensure they are guilty first. We're never going to agree on this, so I won't bother posting any more.

[landyfromanuthaland]

All things considered I think I have had my original concerns answered, this sort of thing will always bring out fairly mixed views, Thankyou everyone

[barryj]

You don't need to say any more, as I agree with all of the above posts - they are all valid ways of dealing with such people. You just need to ensure they are guilty first. We're never going to agree on this, so I won't bother posting any more.


Sorry, no mob rule or lynch squads in Australia.

What will the rest of the world think if they read the comments from Land Rover owners on this site I wonder.

Where would people like to stop with capitol punishment?

What about that woman who has been charged with killing her baby and putting him in a suitcase?

Or,

...... an 80 year old being raped by a 16 year old?

...... a 16 year old being raped by an 80 year old,

...... bashing of an elderly person,

...... a 22 year old being murdered by a 24 year old which is alleged to have happen in Queensland's Sunshine Coast?

Need I go on?

As far as I'm concerned, and obviously the main steam population of Australia, is that we don't kill our citizens deliberately for crimes committed.

Others might like to go and live in places like China or Africa if they want blood for blood. There are heaps of 4x4 tracks in those countries as well :mad:.

Think about it!

[stevo68]

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You don't need to say any more, as I agree with all of the above posts - they are all valid ways of dealing with such people. You just need to ensure they are guilty first. We're never going to agree on this, so I won't bother posting any more.


Sorry, no mob rule or lynch squads in Australia.

What will the rest of the world think if they read the comments from Land Rover owners on this site I wonder.

Where would people like to stop with capitol punishment?

What about that woman who has been charged with killing her baby and putting him in a suitcase?

Or,

...... an 80 year old being raped by a 16 year old?

...... a 16 year old being raped by an 80 year old,

...... bashing of an elderly person,

...... a 22 year old being murdered by a 24 year old which is alleged to have happen in Queensland's Sunshine Coast?

Need I go on?

As far as I'm concerned, and obviously the main steam population of Australia, is that we don't kill our citizens deliberately for crimes committed.

Others might like to go and live in places like China or Africa if they want blood for blood. There are heaps of 4x4 tracks in those countries as well :angry:.

Think about it!
Firstly, being blunt, who cares what "others" may think, being an LR driver isn't the be all and end all and certainly doesn't define myself. Do I think sentences and punishments should be harsher....definately. Ulitmately we are animals, survival of the fittest and all that, and as an animal I will protect my young at all costs.

As part of a society, I have an obligation to be a part of protecting those that need it. All the examples above may not require a needle per se, but I can guarantee you they do require a harsher sentence or punishment than they will receive. With all luck, they will meet an unfortunate fate and then burn in hell :twisted:

Regards

Stevo

[barryj]

Firstly, being blunt, who cares what "others" may think, being an LR driver isn't the be all and end all and certainly doesn't define myself. Do I think sentences and punishments should be harsher....definately. Ulitmately we are animals, survival of the fittest and all that, and as an animal I will protect my young at all costs.

As part of a society, I have an obligation to be a part of protecting those that need it. All the examples above may not require a needle per se, but I can guarantee you they do require a harsher sentence or punishment than they will receive. With all luck, they will meet an unfortunate fate and then burn in hell :twisted:

Regards

Stevo

True comments. We are a sad society over all. Even the court system is lacking. I don't believe many people are convicted to the extent of being 100% guilty.

I was amazed when I was 21 and picked for jury service. Sat on 3 cases and it really opened my eyes enough to 'keep clean'. Beyond reasonable doubt is a fine line.

Hope this critter and all like him get the help they need to make this country as safe as possible.

[Quarks]

I'm sad to say it, but I feel that what I consider the most important thing in this whole episode has been more or less overlooked.
:(

There has been quite a bit of discussion about what to do to/with the perpetrator - but very little to suggest what could be done to try and make the victim's lives easier. After all, they are the ones who are actually suffering now, and I imagine will be for quite some time.

Landyfromanuthaland, although I'm not actually in your shoes, I'd hope that you're being as helpful and supportive as you can to your neighbours. I can't imagine what sort of pain they're going through - in fact, I probably don't want to think about it. :(

I personally believe you should be trying to make life easier for your neighbours, perhaps by getting some of your other neighbours to help out with some things around the house, or invite them over for dinner or something like that. You probably know their needs better than I do. ;)

Just my 2c.

[stevo68]

Hope this critter and all like him get the help they need to make this country as safe as possible. That's the whole problem, with natural selection, these types would be eliminated from the "blood line" so to speak. Because of that propensity from some to want to "help" these types, they are left to breed on and create the filthy little environments they come from due to a lot of the time the environment they have come from. We have the natural instincts of our ancestary, but with being civilised we don't take the measures that once we would have.

Regards

Stevo

[olbod]

Stevo68,
I am with you.
The important thing I think is that the help for the family is not overdone.
By that I mean that they should not be treated as if its the end of the world and that they are to blame or
are somehow responsible for what has been done to them.
I would not want them to feel that there is some sort
of stigma attached to them now, or that they are different from others in their society.
The kids must be treated normaly and with a smile
and shown that they are not in the wrong and have
only been let down badly by a bad man.
This is the time when extreme care must be taken to
bring them back from the brink.
Support, they must have tho.