QLD reg transfer to Vic and new owner? is it possible

[sclarke]

Question?

Person "A" lives in QLD and has a QLD registered car. She is selling it and her son Person "B" lives in Vic.
Person "C" in Vic wants to buy it.

Ohh the car has 6 months of QLD Reg.

So how does Person "C" get it into his name? and keep the current QLD reg until it runs out?

Clarkie

[Ben]

Person C would require a Queensland address to have the QLD registration in their name.

The son could keep the QLD rego if he used his mum's address as his address.

[barryj]

Why not cut out person B and sell it direct to person C?

Surely person C could cash in the balance of rego or person B could get the plates and Queensland details and send to person A. The vehicle could then be sold unregistered.

Sounds complicated to me.

[rovercare]

RWC and re reg:(

[Ben]

What I meant to say was the son could probably keep the QLD rego and drive it in VIC, but transferring it to a Victorian addressed driver would require a VIC rego transfer.

Not sure if they still allow it, but tourists/backpackers used to be able to use a 'c/o some Post Office' in the required state. Still, your forms of 'proof of identity' will most likely have Victorian addresses on them.

[sclarke]

Yep Re-Reg sounds the easy way...

Why does Person "C" want the 6 months??? its 6 months Reg.... that is $250 in Vic....

[Ben]

that is $250 in Vic....

You could buy another Landy for that :)

[barryj]

Yep Re-Reg sounds the easy way...

Why does Person "C" want the 6 months??? its 6 months Reg.... that is $250 in Vic....

I would be very hesitant allowing a vehicle to be registered in person A's name and being driven\owned by person C.

I would get an agreed selling price from C to A and with a deposit to cover costs is all falls through, then get the vehicle to person C or get them to pick it up from person A.

Somewhere appropriate in the process, cash in the Queensland plates and the money could either go to person C or increase the sale amount by that amount.

As I said in my previous post "sounds complicated to me".

[JDNSW]

As others have indicated, basically, it cannot be done legally. Selling interstate, the new owner is required to register the vehicle anew in the new state. The old owner is required to notify disposal of the vehicle and return the plates, and may be entitled to part refund. (Note that the new owner will require proof of ownership such as a bill of sale to register it, and probably a copy of the old registration)

In practice, what is often done is that the seller allows the buyer to drive on the old registration until it expires. While this makes economic sense, it is a risky procedure:-

1. The registered owner is responsible for speed camera infringements etc.

2. In the event of an accident, the seller's insurance is the only cover, and if the insurance company finds out what is going on, they are likely to avoid paying.

3. In the event of an accident or infringement, if police find out the real ownership situation, they may charge both the seller and the buyer (depending on how annoyed they are feeling) for failing to notify change of ownership within the specified time (not sure what this is, probably a week).

John

[sclarke]

As others have indicated, basically, it cannot be done legally. Selling interstate, the new owner is required to register the vehicle anew in the new state. The old owner is required to notify disposal of the vehicle and return the plates, and may be entitled to part refund. (Note that the new owner will require proof of ownership such as a bill of sale to register it, and probably a copy of the old registration)

In practice, what is often done is that the seller allows the buyer to drive on the old registration until it expires. While this makes economic sense, it is a risky procedure:-

1. The registered owner is responsible for speed camera infringements etc.

2. In the event of an accident, the seller's insurance is the only cover, and if the insurance company finds out what is going on, they are likely to avoid paying.

3. In the event of an accident or infringement, if police find out the real ownership situation, they may charge both the seller and the buyer (depending on how annoyed they are feeling) for failing to notify change of ownership within the specified time (not sure what this is, probably a week).

John

Re reg is the only option i see....

[Captain_Rightfoot]

Person c gets to keep the qld rego. They should get it transferred to Vic rego and then send those details and the QLD rego detail to qld transport and they should give them the balance of the rego value back to person C.

Give QLD transport a call to confirm this.

[barryj]

Person c gets to keep the qld rego. They should get it transferred to Vic rego and then send those details and the QLD rego detail to qld transport and they should give them the balance of the rego value back to person C.

Give QLD transport a call to confirm this.


Yes, but the QLD rego would have to be transferred somewhere on the sale of vehicle. Safety certificate as well.

[WOLLAPIT85]

A) The steam train was heading south..:)

[barryj]

A) The steam train was heading south..:)

..... was stopped at the border due to track width issue :D.

[weeds]

person A will get a refund from qld transport for the remaining rego when the plates are handed in, probably a coupl eof hundred $$$....maybe this could be passed onto person c to sweeten the deal

[Lotz-A-Landies]

The most appropriate way to do it is hand in the Qld plates and get a refund for the remainder of the rego.

Then get an "Unregistered Vehicle Permit" to drive the vehicle to Vic or the driving involved in shipping.

New rego in Victoria.

Diana

[Bigbjorn]

The problem is that you will need three permits, as a permit to drive unregistered vehicle is only good in the state of issue. You will need to get one in Qld. and at the first possible place over the borders of NSW and Vic. Note that most country police stations only do this kind of work in office hours, Monday to Friday. Depending on the route taken, the possibilities are, Tweed Heads, Jennings, Boggabilla.

What if B, the son of A, goes to Qld. and drives the vehicle back to Vic. and hands over to C, removing and returning the Qld. plates after accompanying C to a Vic. transport office to register the vehicle in Mudland.

Alternatively, C travels to Qld., changes his address on the electoral roll and driver's licence, obtains a rent receipt showing a Qld. address, and armed with a safety certificate, proof of identity, address, and ownership, transfers the registration to C at the Qld. address. After moving back to Vic. he does the reverse.

[eddiec]

We just did this process ourselves, although from SA to Victoria... Here's how it went:

Buy car from SA owner - you both sign the forms, and treat it like a local exchange. Make sure he gives you a receipt, a copy of any exchange forms, and he sends his copy of the exchange forms to his local authority.

We then drove it back across the border - without permits. We checked, and VicRoads said that as long as we had a copy of the exchange documentation and a receipt (to prove we owned it) we had two weeks in which we could drive it without needing any other permits, etc.

Within those two weeks we had to get it roadworthied and registered. As it was, it took longer than that, which meant it was technically unregistered. No biggie. The only real risky part there was driving the car from the mechanic back home, as for that portion it was unregistered (although we could have got a permit if we wanted, or just driven it from the mechanic straight to VicRoads).

Then drive to VicRoads (allowed to do without permit or anything) for registration appointment. Then send copy of the documentation to SA to prove the car was handed over to Vic. Easy! (Well, ignoring the $$ involved!)

[Lotz-A-Landies]

The problem is that you will need three permits, as a permit to drive unregistered vehicle is only good in the state of issue. ....
Brian

You are incorrect on that point except in WA.

From the NSW RTA website http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/conditionalregistration/index.html "Unregistered Vehicle Permits (UVPs)

An Unregistered Vehicle Permit can be issued for a period of up to 28 days for a variety of purposes. An Unregistered Vehicle Permit cannot be issued to a vehicle carrying a load for commercial purposes, or to vehicles exempt from registration. Unregistered Vehicle Permits issued in NSW are valid in all States and Territories except Western Australia."

Regards
Diana

P.S. One should ask Roger "Xtreme" (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/member.php?u=8610) as he recently did the same deal when purchasing a Qld Registered vehicle and transfered it to NSW.

[Bigbjorn]

I stand corrected. The legislation has been changed to allow national use of a permit. This was certainly not always so. Qld. Transport will issue a permit for from 1 to maximum 7 days for travel in the minimum time by the shortest possible route in the opinion of the Depts. officer. Cost $19.50 per day, CTP must be obtained in advance of applying for the permit and costs $59.80 first day and $1.10 p.d. afterwards. A Safety Certificate is not required but the usual responsibility of the operator to have a roadworthy vehicle at all times applys. Note that the permit is for specific travel from point a to point b and not for general use within the time frame of the permit. A return trip that is wholly within Qld. is permitted, that is from a to b to a. If the vehicle has number plates, they must be surrendered when applying for the permit. A permit must be obtained interstate for a return trip from another state, or for continuing to another state after completing the trip for which the initial permit was issued. The time frame of the permit commences at the moment of issue, unless purchased in advance in which case the permit commences from 12.01am on the first day. Qld. Transport are very firm on the rule that the permit is not a temporary or short term registration, but a permit to use that unregistered vehicle on a specific journey from point A to point B in the shortest time by the the shortest practicable route as mentioned before.

[kaa45]

I bought my County in QLD in Feb and drove it to Vic. Paid for the County in full when I picked it up at Gympie and got a receipt with the name and address of both seller and buyer, description of vehicle, engine number and vin/chassis number, amount paid and date, signed by both. (as per Vicroads requirements listed on website).

Seller left plates on vehicle (sold with 6 months rego). He had a copy of receipt showing the date he sold it, so no liability. Drove car for 6 months getting things fixed (expected to to do roadworthy straight away). Amazing the number of things you discover wrong on a drive from Qld to Vic.

As long as you have a receipt with the details listed above, a copy of the Qld rego papers and a Vic roadworthy cert., no problems.

Car wasn't insured so no issues there, and speeding in a county???

Worked for me :D

[Captain_Rightfoot]

Yes, but the QLD rego would have to be transferred somewhere on the sale of vehicle. Safety certificate as well.
No, that's not my understanding. I'm with Weeds. You produce the proof os sale docco and the money is yours.

You can't operate the car in VIC without changing it over, legally anyway.

[barryj]

No, that's not my understanding. I'm with Weeds. You produce the proof os sale docco and the money is yours.

You can't operate the car in VIC without changing it over, legally anyway.

I thought that is what I was saying in my post, or am I wrong?

[barryj]

OK, here is the official answer,

http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/Registration/HowToRegisterOrTransfer/RegistrationRequirements/InterstateVehicleRegistration.htm

Sounds easy so I don't know why this thread has become so complicated.

[JDNSW]

Not really relevant to the current discussion, but an interesting point of view turned up years ago when we bought the 2a to use on the farm. At the time we lived in Melbourne, but the farm is in NSW, and since the 2a would be living there, when we drove it up, I transferred the registration to NSW. However, although the situation was explained, the NSW RTA could not accept that a vehicle living in NSW could have an owner who lived interstate. Eventually registered it there with the address c/o a neighbour, so we got the mail forwarded.

(Apart from the fact that it reflected the reality, the other reason for doing this was that registration, or at least third party, is a lot cheaper in a remote rural area than it is in suburban Melbourne.)

John

[sclarke]

OK, here is the official answer,

http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/Registration/HowToRegisterOrTransfer/RegistrationRequirements/InterstateVehicleRegistration.htm

Sounds easy so I don't know why this thread has become so complicated.

You LEGEND....

This is what i needed..

I'll call them to see if they have a differnet story..

Ohh today i called the QLD rego mob, i got 2 different stories. 1 person said leave it in person "A" name and then re reg when the reg expires... the other said, fly up, produce documentation to show you live in Vic and we will transfer it..

Then Person "A" calls QLD Transport and gets another story...

Weird...

[barryj]

You LEGEND....

This is what i needed..

I'll call them to see if they have a different story..

Ohh today i called the QLD rego mob, i got 2 different stories. 1 person said leave it in person "A" name and then re reg when the reg expires... the other said, fly up, produce documentation to show you live in Vic and we will transfer it..

Then Person "A" calls QLD Transport and gets another story...

Weird...

I love the Queensland Government :(. I worked for them for 16 and a half years and could still not work out who to contact for correct advice.

It was the same when they introduced Driver Authorisation and the new licence system.

I was driving mini buses voluntarily for community groups and as well for my job as a TAFE teacher.

I received so many interpretations of the new laws and in the end I got Driver Authorisation as well as a Heavy Vehicle license that allows me to drive an articulated bus :eek:.

I told the guy at the licensing centre that I took my driving test years earlier in a D series full sync 4 speed truck. He said congratulations you can now fill a banana bus full of passengers and hurtle down the highway :twisted:. Weird!

[sclarke]

Rang Vic roads....

That weblink is correct, but if you read it the way they want you to then you have to cancel the QLD reg and get New Vic Reg.

[Bigbjorn]

You LEGEND....

This is what i needed..

I'll call them to see if they have a differnet story..

Ohh today i called the QLD rego mob, i got 2 different stories. 1 person said leave it in person "A" name and then re reg when the reg expires... the other said, fly up, produce documentation to show you live in Vic and we will transfer it..

Then Person "A" calls QLD Transport and gets another story...

Weird...

I have had four different opinions from Qld. Transport officers on the legality of, and method of wiring rooftop long range driving lights. The only thing they agree on is it would be wise to restrict usage to off road situations or private roads.