Why should I have to do this

[landyfromanuthaland]

While I dont bitch as a rule and I believe people are entitled to there opinion on anything and anyone as long as these opinions arent voiced ina malicious way,

I am led to believe some may have issues with me being on a pension, so lets clear the air here on this right here and now, basically what I do where I do it and how I do it is non of anyones buisness but mine.

Judging someone by things that are said in posts without knowing said person on a personal or social basis is just plain wrong.

Yes I am on a disability pension, no I dont enjoy being on a pension, I worked hard for 22 years and paid taxes, so I dont own a house, I live in a trust home, whats wrong with that, I still pay rent its not free.

I have genetic medical conditons that most likely will kill m e by 45, my heart is thrashed and I have crushed lungs, I am unemployable, this doesnt mean I am still not a person in other regards, I have a wife, 3 kids to look after, I still have liabilities and responsiblities as anyone does.

My life is no bed of roses lets get this straight now, anyone wants my life they are welcome too it. If I was earning huge money I would have a new Landrover not some 40 year old rattling heap of crap, I would have a tweed hat and be on the board of rotary or some other thing, and most likely would own a house in inverted commas, but thats never going to happen and I dont care.

Go and find something else to worry about or someone elses character to assasinate, l dont have any interest in it what ever.

I hopped on this forum to further my knowledge of Landys and maybe meet some new mates, I was very happy with AULRO and the members, great bunch of people, not so happy now. Wheres the fair go here?

[dullbird]

i have obvioulsy missed something here:mad:

[Larry]

If someone has a problem with you, it's exactly that, their problem.

Don't worry about them. You do whatever you have to do to look after your family.

Nothing but respect from me.;)

Larry.

[muddydigger]

I find it difficult to beleive that the general populus here would be discrimitory toward you, I know I m not! Please for the sake of a few dont catagorise the rest if the same, its no worse than has been done or said to you!
I sincerley hope you live life to to the full whilst you are able to.
If a person has expressed an opinion here, that you find dicrimitroy or offensive I urge you to report it to the forum moderators. I feel sure that they too wish for comunity minded forum.

[mcrover]

Andy dont stress about what other people think there is nothing to gain from it.

Your a top bloke and your doing nothing wrong though your walking a thin line speaking of your series landy in that way, she will never run again now :p.

Maybe you should have put this in the rants section lol.

[landyfromanuthaland]

I guess most would read this and go what the hell is he on about, there are probably just a few long timers on here who have high morals, I have no problem with that what so ever people are entitled to there opinion as long as they keep it to themselves because as I said earlier you cannot make judgement on a person by making conclusions from stuff written in profiles and threads .

[Defender=1st]

I think i missed it to. Who cares what other people think, as long as your happy

[RonMcGr]

While I dont bitch as a rule and I believe people are entitled to there opinion on anything and anyone as long as these opinions arent voiced ina malicious way,

I am led to believe some may have issues with me being on a pension, so lets clear the air here on this right here and now, basically what I do where I do it and how I do it is non of anyones buisness but mine.

Judging someone by things that are said in posts without knowing said person on a personal or social basis is just plain wrong.

Yes I am on a disability pension, no I dont enjoy being on a pension, I worked hard for 22 years and paid taxes, so I dont own a house, I live in a trust home, whats wrong with that, I still pay rent its not free.

I have genetic medical conditons that most likely will kill m e by 45, my heart is thrashed and I have crushed lungs, I am unemployable, this doesnt mean I am still not a person in other regards, I have a wife, 3 kids to look after, I still have liabilities and responsiblities as anyone does.

My life is no bed of roses lets get this straight now, anyone wants my life they are welcome too it. If I was earning huge money I would have a new Landrover not some 40 year old rattling heap of crap, I would have a tweed hat and be on the board of rotary or some other thing, and most likely would own a house in inverted commas, but thats never going to happen and I dont care.

Go and find something else to worry about or someone elses character to assasinate, l dont have any interest in it what ever.

I hopped on this forum to further my knowledge of Landys and maybe meet some new mates, I was very happy with AULRO and the members, great bunch of people, not so happy now. Wheres the fair go here?

Where did you gain this information from?
Who got up your nose?

I'm at a loss, as I don't remember seeing any degrading comments?

Cheers

[CraigE]

Andy,
Hope I have not upset you in any way??:(
I dont think my post had that orientation and I do not care if you are on a pension. That is what the system is there for. If we lose this type of system we will really have destitute people who have contributed to society as much or more than others.
The only thing that gets my goat is people who deliberatlly flaunt the system and have no real right to be on a pension (and I know a few), Not people that have a genuine need or reason like yourself and many others.
Hope all goes well for you.
My post from the other thread replying to another post:

Originally Posted by rovercare https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/08/768.jpg (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/showthread.php?p=630011#post630011)
Disabled how??

Don't mean to be rude, but a pension, dole, etc, should ONLY be enough money to survive, not live an embelished lifestyle....Nothing personal

I can see myself being abused here:(

My reply to above : I agree and disagree. There are many people who deserve to be on a pension and should get it and more with pride, they should not be made live like paupers for something that is outside their control. Then there are the bludgers that use every excuse under the sun not to work and are determine long time unemployed and usually easier for centrelink to put them on the pension. Makes the employment figures lok better because these people ar not considered to be activelly looking for work. These people should get nothing.
People who have worked their entire lives in low paying jobs should be assisted. I know lots that have worked harder than me in low paying jobs for 20-40 years and have only just scraped by. The sad thing is most of these people are probablly a lot better workers than half the tossers in the mining industry that earn $150k pa.

Was in no way a slur at anyone, just a general thought.

[Disco Steve]

I know andy personally, and I can tell you he does not live the high life.

[rovercare]

Andy,
Hope I have not upset you in any way??:(
I dont think my post had that orientation and I do not care if you are on a pension. That is what the system is there for. If we lose this type of system we will really have destitute people who have contributed to society as much or more than others.
The only thing that gets my goat is people who deliberatlly flaunt the system and have no real right to be on a pension (and I know a few), Not people that have a genuine need or reason like yourself and many others.
Hope all goes well for you.
My post from the other thread replying to another post:


Was in no way a slur at anyone, just a general thought.

HEY:eek::eek::eek:

[scrambler]

Andy, the site isn't one post. I'd dare say that the most knowledgable people on here are pensioners of one sort or another. You are among friends.

I've seen people apply for the pension when they shouldn't have been anywhere near it. I used to spend a fair bit of time explaining to mothers of 15-year-olds that being 40-ish and never having had a paid job before was not a medical condition (and explaining what help WAS available). I've also pursuaded people to take the pension who had been too proud to admit they needed the hand.

This is still the land of the "fair go" - at least on its good days.

[landyfromanuthaland]

This is not a witchhunt guys, I am entitled to my say as others are too, we are only talking about a minority here, all I am saying is if you dont know me personally how can judgement be made with out knowing full facts, all is not always what it seems in life. I hate the pension I hate having to start worrying about xmas 5 mins after one has gone, I cant wait to go back to rolling drunks out of clubs one day.

To clear something up as to how this evolved I was picking up on little comments made by a few on my threads and other threads that I thought were a bit off the mark, when I quizzed one I was told what he thought and I intern thought how the hell did this conclusion come about, bit unfair but people are entitled to the opinion I will say this a million times, I am also entitled to mine, why should people even given toss who I am or what I do

[landyfromanuthaland]

Enuff has been said about this now, I just wanted to vent my anger for the want of a better word and I have dont that. SO everyone relax and go back to your seats around the camp fire

[rovercare]

This is not a witchhunt guys, I am entitled to my say as others are too, we are only talking about a minority here, all I am saying is if you dont know me personally how can judgement be made with out knowing full facts, all is not always what it seems in life. I hate the pension I hate having to start worrying about xmas 5 mins after one has gone, I cant wait to go back to rolling drunks out of clubs one day.

To clear something up as to how this evolved I was picking up on little comments made by a few on my threads and other threads that I thought were a bit off the mark, when I quizzed one I was told what he thought and I intern thought how the hell did this conclusion come about, bit unfair but people are entitled to the opinion I will say this a million times, I am also entitled to mine, why should people even given toss who I am or what I do

Well it wasn't me then:D

[googe]

Prods the fire with a stick looking up at the stars what a beautiful night :)

[CraigE]

HEY:eek::eek::eek:
All good Rovercare, was not us. I was just trying to qualify what I actually said and it was in reply to your post that is all.
Cheers
CraigE
:):)

[twitchy]

I guess most would read this and go what the hell is he on about, there are probably just a few long timers on here who have high morals, I have no problem with that what so ever people are entitled to there opinion as long as they keep it to themselves because as I said earlier you cannot make judgement on a person by making conclusions from stuff written in profiles and threads .

Landy there is ALWAYS a few people on ANY forum who will have their heads firmly embedded in their sphyncter.
Sounds like they are the way Land Rover owners used to be viewed....:p

[JohnE]

Hey andy
goes with the territory unfortunately as NM's said everyone has said something to upset others,( ask me no one understands how I think)
lifestyle, situations etc , are irrelavent when we are all talking cars, guns, ammo, and other funny things. Plus its a steep learning curve here, sometimes your bombarded with that much info you have nowhere to put it, other times there is a deathly silence.

Just for the record even though I haven;t met you yet, I think your a good bloke,


mate keep your chin up, I reckon anyway a good rant every now and then is good for the individual. ( remember slackies big one a few weeks ago)


john

[barryj]

Enuff has been said about this now, I just wanted to vent my anger for the want of a better word and I have dont that. SO everyone relax and go back to your seats around the camp fire

Mate, I'm with you all the way. We are both disabled pensioners far too early in life.

I guess we all need to vent our anxiety from time to time.

Just be assured that the vast majority of us on this forum support those in need.

To all the others :tease::spudnikdiscoball::spudnikwaving::D.

[incisor]

like NM says, you cant be "loud" without coping some flak, it is how society in general, behaves.. even if you are not controversial or aggressive, you will put people off because the written word can be misinterpreted so many ways especially if not heavily punctuated.

[stevo68]

Hmm I would have to concur with NM and Incisor on this one. There is one major problem ( for want of a better word) with forum's and that is things can be taken out of context at times, misread or misunderstood dependant on our mood, our position, our own perceptions and expectations.

The flipside to that is you can learn alot from other peoples opinion's and how they address issues. Now I read a fair bit on here and personally haven't seen any personal attacks. That said, a comment close to home, one may take ownership for themselves and fire off. Also mate you would have to be one of the most opinionated people on here ( not a bad thing) and express all and sundry so have to expect perhaps a bit of scrutiny at times and allow for others to express an opposing view.

Regards

Stevo

[abaddonxi]

I think there's a difference between having opinions and being opinionated.:)

I think there has been far too much politics on the forum lately. Much as I love a good stoush it (almost*) always leads to trouble.


Cheers
Simon

*The nuclear power thread was both political and exceedingly well mannered, but that's the exception.




Land Rover forum, Land Rover forum, Land Rover forum.:p

[MrsMcRover]

like NM says, you cant be "loud" without coping some flak, it is how society in general, behaves.. even if you are not controversial or aggressive, you will put people off because the written word can be misinterpreted so many ways especially if not heavily punctuated.

Very Very True. Tone and Context are very hard to Gauge on here. :D

[stevo68]

I think there's a difference between having opinions and being opinionated.:)

I think there has been far too much politics on the forum lately. Much as I love a good stoush it (almost*) always leads to trouble.


Cheers
Simon

*The nuclear power thread was both political and exceedingly well mannered, but that's the exception.




Land Rover forum, Land Rover forum, Land Rover forum.:p
I'd have to agree and disagree and that's my opinion :D. First you have to define being political versus a difference of opinion. I think it has been more the latter and overall, those differences are generally respected if albeit ( and I am guilty of getting fired up towards peanuts) occasionally does become a stoush. If people stick to the topic i.e play the ball not the man, that is different. I think it is completely natural, though people will tend to be more "vocal" in writing and whilst behind a computer than in a "real" life scenario.

Regards

Stevo.......an opinionated but well meaning fella :)

[DeeJay]

I read most posts on here and was following the thread on income. I never made any post so did'nt draw any comments in return. As Numptys Missus says, thats the way it works. Personally I never saw anything that would have caused a rant, but if it makes you feel any better Landyfromanotherland, my neighbour got sprung by a friend of my wife when she was bagging us for drawing two disability pensions for our two autistic boys. We have not spoken to them since, and that was 14 years ago. Its a touchy subject, but I believe the in the system, its when you see money getting spent like it is on this elections advertising that it becomes unfair.
David

[vnx205]

That is unfortunately how it goes.
You have posted info about yourself that is personal for all the world to see. You have also made some pretty strong and opinionated comments for all the world to see. You cannot expect the world to cop that and not make comment in return.

I would reckon almost every member of this forum has said something that has upset someone else

Welcome to the club :D
And a lot of us have probably got upset when there was really no reason.

A cooling off period before you reply can sometimes help.

A little while back I decided to play Devil's advocate and present a view in opposition to the one that seemed to be almost universally accepted.
Some people drew all sorts of inaccurate conclusions about my personal circumstances and my knowledge about the subject.
At the time I was inclined to fire off a "How dare you make assumptions about my personal life based on opinions I express on this forum!" type of response.
Fortunately I didn't have the time. I now realise it doesn't really matter and in fact find it mildly amusing that some people could have been so wrong about me.

[Grimace]

i love it when people judge me over the internet. :D

internet disagreements make me laugh :)

[dobbo]

I offended Andy

This is what I wrote and is not a personal attack at him. However he has made it public so I will answer everyones question about what has happened.

He asked me what was wrong with my attitude towards his "working class background" and I told him. I have nothing wrong with the phrase working class, I am among the working masses that get up @ 0200hrs in the morning to slave for a wage. I just told him I don't think it's right that his lifestyle and mine are very similar (in terms of mod cons and luxuries) yet I am working at least 15hr days on average 6 days a week to maintain my lifestyle where as he doesn't.

Yes I believe in pensions

No I do not believe anyone on this day and age of EEO is UNEMPLOYABLE.

If this makes me a RangeRover snob with my head up my sphyncter so be it, I am far from this description though.

I realise I will not win friends with this attitude, but then again at least I'm telling as I see it and not lying to him by saying nothing is wrong and then bitching behind his back.

As I have said to him if he wants a job I will assist him in any way I can to make it happen. Otherwise he should sit down. shut up and enjoy the free ride.

[Grimace]

sometimes opinions are better kept to yourself.

[Phoenix]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

I think this has gone far enough. This ends NOW!

I'd like both parties to step away and take some deep breaths. If you're going to keep sniping at each other, that's personal attacks, and that isn't tolerated. As this thread stands now it's on the border of personal opinion and personal attack. Let's see that it goes the correct direction.

Further attacks will instantly result in infractions being issued, no questions asked as to who started it.

[barryj]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

I think this has gone far enough. This ends NOW!

I'd like both parties to step away and take some deep breaths. If you're going to keep sniping at each other, that's personal attacks, and that isn't tolerated. As this thread stands now it's on the border of personal opinion and personal attack. Let's see that it goes the correct direction.

Further attacks will instantly result in infractions being issued, no questions asked as to who started it.


Wow, this is beyond opinion now ..... it is fact :wasntme::D.

Should mention that 'Toymotors are great' to hijack this thread :twisted::)?

[dobbo]

[IMG]
I think this has gone far enough. This ends NOW!

I'd like both parties to step away and take some deep breaths. If you're going to keep sniping at each other, that's personal attacks, and that isn't tolerated. As this thread stands now it's on the border of personal opinion and personal attack. Let's see that it goes the correct direction.

Further attacks will instantly result in infractions being issued, no questions asked as to who started it.


Acknowledged and agreed

[olbod]

People who should be in the prime of life but thru no
fault of their own, find themselves on a pension of one sort or another, have usually had to pay a high price
for it.
These pensions should be of an amount so that people can cope, without having the additional stress of
worrying about how to get by.
One pension payment amount, does not fit all !
Circumstances differ, some dont have a morgage or kids, others do. Each case should be assessed and
the right help given.
The country can afford it.

If I was still in the workforce, I would not complain about someone unable to work, getting a pension. Or it
being paid from my hard earned tax dollar. This is just
one of the many areas that the tax dollar is used !

I have been fortunate in my life that I have remained healthy and do not begrudge anyone forced onto a
pension and I certainly do not think less of them.
Hang in there.

[Blknight.aus]

I can promise I will take no part in discriminatory attacks on any person......


I'll get round to insulting you all eventually. :)

[barryj]

People who should be in the prime of life but thru no
fault of their own, find themselves on a pension of one sort or another, have usually had to pay a high price
for it.
These pensions should be of an amount so that people can cope, without having the additional stress of
worrying about how to get by.
One pension payment amount, does not fit all !
Circumstances differ, some dont have a morgage or kids, others do. Each case should be assessed and
the right help given.
The country can afford it.

If I was still in the workforce, I would not complain about someone unable to work, getting a pension. Or it
being paid from my hard earned tax dollar. This is just
one of the many areas that the tax dollar is used !

I have been fortunate in my life that I have remained healthy and do not begrudge anyone forced onto a
pension and I certainly do not think less of them.
Hang in there.


$418.13 per fortnight is what CentreLink advised me in writing today for a disability pension.

I wonder how many people could live on that?

My wife gets the carers payment and allowance and works 2 days per week.

In total I estimate we will gross $33,488 per year all up.

Yes we do get reductions on utility costs but we have gone from $85,000 per year gross to the above due to my illness.

Could you live on that? I don't believe we are going to live the high life.

[RonMcGr]

I can promise I will take no part in discriminatory attacks on any person......


I'll get round to insulting you all eventually. :)

Bring it on, Buddy :D
I'm in to pain and abuse :wallbash:

[duff]

I agree that is not good money, but there are many, many, many people out there who work 40hrs a week to get that kind of money and less. Now I dont suggest that they would ever want your disability and acknowledge your situation is probably hard work, but its not just disabilities, the dole is about the same after benefits.

Remember some people are working there bums off and people on the dole are getting about the same(and again not the dole recipients fault perhaps),, I think it is a little human to be anxed about it sometimes.

When you were earning $85,000 a year,, would you have been cool with a govt pension recipient earning the same as you.




$418.13 per fortnight is what CentreLink advised me in writing today for a disability pension.

I wonder how many people could live on that?

My wife gets the carers payment and allowance and works 2 days per week.

In total I estimate we will gross $33,488 per year all up.

Yes we do get reductions on utility costs but we have gone from $85,000 per year gross to the above due to my illness.

Could you live on that? I don't believe we are going to live the high life.

[barryj]

I agree that is not good money, but there are many, many, many people out there who work 40hrs a week to get that kind of money and less. Now I dont suggest that they would ever want your disability and acknowledge your situation is probably hard work, but its not just disabilities, the dole is about the same after benefits.

Remember some people are working there bums off and people on the dole are getting about the same(and again not the dole recipients fault perhaps),, I think it is a little human to be anxed about it sometimes.

When you were earning $85,000 a year,, would you have been cool with a govt pension recipient earning the same as you.

Not sure what you mean. Who gets $85,000 on gov. benefits?

The $85,000 was combined with my wife's pay.

And to clarify my position, we have outlaid $51,733.75 last financial year on my medical expenses. We are fortunate to have only spent $10,062.40 after MBF and Medicare refunds but we still had to pay first and claim afterwards.

It's always been my gripe too that many are living off the land in dole land. When I started work in 1974 I earned $33 per week and paid $3 tax. Many of my school mates received $30 tax free on the dole. Many stayed on the dole while I increased my wages through shear hard work. At one stage I was working one full time job and four part time jobs and paying tax on all.

I think the situation is similar these days on Apprentice Cabinetmakers wages.

[Pavo]

Firstly, let me say this isn't aimed at any comments in this thread - these are just some of my thoughts on the topic of pensions/vs 'paid employment'.

I sometimes think it is unfair to say that someone works hard for 40 hours per week while someone else gets a pension for doing nothing. That person doing 'nothing' might be 'working' just as hard for their week also. For whatever reason that might be.

I know it is never this black and white though.

My example would be - my wife and I do a lot of work in our garden and do some landscaping. I shovel more dirt, more roadbase, cart more bricks and do it all considerably quicker than my wife. But I think we are both working just as 'hard' as each other. I just have a higher capacity to do this work because I am stronger. But at the end of the day we both ache the same amount. But if we were getting paid per wheel barrow load and per brick carted, I'd be well ahead. And she might be disappointed because she knows she worked just as hard.

I know it's a weird example, but I hope it got across what I was thinking.

Pete

[duff]

I have no beef with you getting any payments from our(yours and mine) taxes, you have probably paid in heaps of taxes anyway, so of course you should be looked after. I go further and believe that most of the so called dole bludgers are not just bludgers. they are unemployable, remember there will always be people who dont fit the mold(rebels unfortunates wallys) and will be hard to keep employed,,, but they are just as much a part of society as everyone else. I am happy to pay my taxes to support them. they deserve it as much as a govt funded buisness(tax write off life support)

$85,000 pensions,, No sorry, I meant in general terms for discussion, not directed at you pers. if non productive peers got the same as you doing hard work. You happened to say you were on $85,000 per annum. I just meant that if we were on 85, and the govt gave out 85 for pension, would that feel ok. I was pointing out they you are getting the same now as thousands and thousands of hard working families and they might think that isnt fair.. again not a slag at you, more a supportive comment for all the people who are currently slogging it out for 30 odd thou a year.

I love pensions,, hell most of us are just one trip, or car crash, or fall from a ladder away from pension land.

I am in no way bagging the pensioners of any kind, I was just trying to suggest that its human nature to begrudge someone getting percieved freebies when you have to work hard yourself for the same.

As for your Med expences , I personnally feel that meds should be free for all people who have a declared, life altering(read pensionable) problem.


Not sure what you mean. Who gets $85,000 on gov. benefits?

The $85,000 was combined with my wife's pay.

And to clarify my position, we have outlaid $51,733.75 last financial year on my medical expenses. We are fortunate to have only spent $10,062.40 after MBF and Medicare refunds but we still had to pay first and claim afterwards.

It's always been my gripe too that many are living off the land in dole land. When I started work in 1974 I earned $33 per week and paid $3 tax. Many of my school mates received $30 tax free on the dole. Many stayed on the dole while I increased my wages through shear hard work. At one stage I was working one full time job and four part time jobs and paying tax on all.

I think the situation is similar these days on Apprentice Cabinetmakers wages.

[barryj]

I have no beef with you getting any payments from our(yours and mine) taxes, you have probably paid in heaps of taxes anyway, so of course you should be looked after. I go further and believe that most of the so called dole bludgers are not just bludgers. they are unemployable, remember there will always be people who dont fit the mold(rebels unfortunates wallys) and will be hard to keep employed,,, but they are just as much a part of society as everyone else. I am happy to pay my taxes to support them. they deserve it as much as a govt funded buisness(tax write off life support)

$85,000 pensions,, No sorry, I meant in general terms for discussion, not directed at you pers. if non productive peers got the same as you doing hard work. You happened to say you were on $85,000 per annum. I just meant that if we were on 85, and the govt gave out 85 for pension, would that feel ok. I was pointing out they you are getting the same now as thousands and thousands of hard working families and they might think that isnt fair.. again not a slag at you, more a supportive comment for all the people who are currently slogging it out for 30 odd thou a year.

I love pensions,, hell most of us are just one trip, or car crash, or fall from a ladder away from pension land.

I am in no way bagging the pensioners of any kind, I was just trying to suggest that its human nature to begrudge someone getting percieved freebies when you have to work hard yourself for the same.

As for your Med expences , I personnally feel that meds should be free for all people who have a declared, life altering(read pensionable) problem.

No problems, thanks for your input.

In the late 1980's I was existing on $21,000 per year with my wife raising our 3 kids. I was working up to 90 hours per week for the privilege of working and paying taxes.

I also fed my Land Rover habit as well :D.

[mcrover]

I my self am in a position at work where I get bagged constantly for so called not working where I normally start my day about 1/2hr before the other guys settting up machines and then up to 4hrs after they go fixing breakdowns while doing the same work as the Greens keepers a couple of days a week and the odd weekend while on a fixed salary which is well below the average wage.

So I know what it feels like to be shoe horned into the position where some people will say your doing nothing for the money, I have a good freind who was in a car accident caused by a drunk driver who no is on a pension.

He has done everything he can to be employable but when the meds he is on causes everything from flew type symtons one day to up to a month or so of depresion that at least slows him down and limits the hours he can work he has had to go on the pension as he cant find an employer who can live with the terms he has to live by.

None of that is his fault, and while recovering from the accident which took about 25 operations over 12 years he has done an engineering degree as well as a teaching degree and a course in brick laying and photography to try not to be a burdon on society.

Pain and suffering is worth something as far as working to just get through another day in those sort of situations and that is why we have pensions.

[B92 8NW]

Did landyman get removed from the forum?

[953]

That is unfortunately how it goes.
You have posted info about yourself that is personal for all the world to see. You have also made some pretty strong and opinionated comments for all the world to see. You cannot expect the world to cop that and not make comment in return.

I would reckon almost every member of this forum has said something that has upset someone else

Welcome to the club :D

Staffies & Landies belong together:p
Cheers Dean.

[Outlaw]

Did landyman get removed from the forum?

Landyman was fed up with the goings on and has left. This is the second user this week who has now left the site because of a few members.

Everyone is entitled to there own opinions, but i am saddened when those users feel that there right to publicly say something about another member outweighs their public conscious and any ensuring repercussions that may eventuate.

[DirtyDawg]

Andy your my favourite pensioner.....;) makes me feel better knowing my tax is helping someone I like..opposed to going to some little crack headed teen:mad:

[dobbo]

Is he really gone? or just opened up a new account?

[RonMcGr]

Landyman was fed up with the goings on and has left. This is the second user this week who has now left the site because of a few members.

Everyone is entitled to there own opinions, but i am saddened when those users feel that there right to publicly say something about another member outweighs their public conscious and any ensuring repercussions that may eventuate.

I can certainly understand why he did:(
Some of the cr*p that is dished out by a couple in here, is totally out of line.