painting advice

[taff]

hi all after weeks of filling, priming, sanding, priming, sanding and sanding some more i'm almost ready to put some paint on my county ute.
i finally decided on my first choice of tangiers orange with the flares and chequer plate black. i picked up the paint and all the other good bit's today and hopefully come saturday i should be seeing something orange rather than cream. :)
i'm painting the doors, bonnet and wings seperate - i.e. off the car and was hoping somebody would be able to advise as to how long to leave the paint ( 2 pak direct gloss ) before handling the doors etc and re-fitting them.
also if any one has any tips ref the painting then fire away as this is the second time i've painted a car and the first time didn't work out quite as i'd hoped :o
time to see if i've learned from my mistakes :D
jason

[B92 8NW]

hi all after weeks of filling, priming, sanding, priming, sanding and sanding some more i'm almost ready to put some paint on my county ute.
i finally decided on my first choice of tangiers orange with the flares and chequer plate black. i picked up the paint and all the other good bit's today and hopefully come saturday i should be seeing something orange rather than cream. :)
i'm painting the doors, bonnet and wings seperate - i.e. off the car and was hoping somebody would be able to advise as to how long to leave the paint ( 2 pak direct gloss ) before handling the doors etc and re-fitting them.
also if any one has any tips ref the painting then fire away as this is the second time i've painted a car and the first time didn't work out quite as i'd hoped :o
time to see if i've learned from my mistakes :D
jason

2 pack?:eek: are you a panel beater by trade?

Good idea to do each panel seperately, unless your compressor is massive, as the finish will be a lot better.

Family member (and panel beater) can't advise how long to leave 2 pack before handling as its always done in the booth.

You will need an oxygen supply.

[taff]

2 pack?:eek: are you a panel beater by trade?

no i'm a tiler with a set of iron lungs :D

[B92 8NW]

Ok fair enough:D

Will look good in Tangiers and black

[Lotz-A-Landies]

no i'm a tiler with a set of iron lungs :D
You do know that some 2 pak is an Iso-Cyanate, toxic and chemically related to cyanide don't you?

Health Effects
Acute - Inhaled: Vapour may be irritant to mucous membranes and respiratory tract. Inhalation of vapour can result in headaches, dizziness and possible nausea. Inhalation of high concentrations can produce central nervous system depression, which can lead to loss of co-ordination, impaired judgement and, if exposure is prolonged, unconsciousness. Harmful if inhaled.

Exposure limit not specified by the National Health & Safety Commission (Worksafe Australia). Recommended exposure limit is 100 ppm, 8 hour time weighted average (T.W.A).

Personal Protection: Avoid contact with skin and eyes. Wear suitable clothing such as impervious overalls, PVC or Neoprene gloves, safety goggles. Wear an air-fed mask or, for short periods of work, a combination of charcoal filter and particulate filter is recommended.

Make sure you have the right gear!

Diana

[taff]

it's o.k. i have a respirator and all the safety gear, i was just making a light hearted joke.

[Tank]

When this paint (Iso-Cyanate) was released in the USA there was a spate of deaths of Backyard and amatuer painters, it would be WISE to hire an Air-Fed respirator suit. As far as handling after painting, spray asection (inside guard) and use this area to test hardness (drieness), Regards Frank.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

it's o.k. i have a respirator and all the safety gear, i was just making a light hearted joke.

:D:D:D That's O.K. then - If it were a Nissan or Tojo driver a I would have said go for it paint your two pak but for best results do it in an enclosed space!! Land Rover owners are far too valuable!

Diana :):)

[mcrover]

The problem with 2 pak other than it's not good for the lungs is that depending on how hot it is and the humidity changes the mix considerably and drying times can vary depending on the mix as well.

If the mix isnt right it will either not cure hard enough or be extremely brittle, worse than acrylic.

This is why most backyarders that havnt got a booth use either Acrylic or Enamel.

I just did my first paint job in about 2 years a couple of months ago and it takes a bit of getting used to again.

Make sure you use a water separator and a good quality pressure regulator on the line to give you the best chance of a good job.

[taff]

When this paint (Iso-Cyanate) was released in the USA there was a spate of deaths of Backyard and amatuer painters, it would be WISE to hire an Air-Fed respirator suit. As far as handling after painting, spray asection (inside guard) and use this area to test hardness (drieness), Regards Frank.

good thinking :cool:
thanks frank

thanks for looking out for me diana but got that side of things covered.:)

on another note once the colour is changed do i have to inform any one i.e. licensing centre.

jason

[taff]

hey mcrover got a pressure regulator but not a water seperator.
i've spoke to a few people about using 2 pak as i had my own concerns and most have said it'll take well with what i have.
i've been told that if i get any dodgy bit's then i can rub it back and if need be re-apply, but as it's direct gloss i shouldn't need to. i've also got a good quality cutting compound should i need it, to buff up.
it's going to be around 34 degrees on sat so hopefully it'll dry pretty quick as i was kinda hoping to be able to re-fit the wings at the least on saturday but guess i'll have to see how it goes.

[RonMcGr]

You do know that some 2 pak is an Iso-Cyanate, toxic and chemically related to cyanide don't you?

Health Effects
Acute - Inhaled: Vapour may be irritant to mucous membranes and respiratory tract. Inhalation of vapour can result in headaches, dizziness and possible nausea. Inhalation of high concentrations can produce central nervous system depression, which can lead to loss of co-ordination, impaired judgement and, if exposure is prolonged, unconsciousness. Harmful if inhaled.

Exposure limit not specified by the National Health & Safety Commission (Worksafe Australia). Recommended exposure limit is 100 ppm, 8 hour time weighted average (T.W.A).

Personal Protection: Avoid contact with skin and eyes. Wear suitable clothing such as impervious overalls, PVC or Neoprene gloves, safety goggles. Wear an air-fed mask or, for short periods of work, a combination of charcoal filter and particulate filter is recommended.

Make sure you have the right gear!

Diana

Very true!

I won't touch the stuff as I'm a back yarder without a clue :D

Acylic is all I use, better for me and the neighbours :)

[mcrover]

Last time I painted 2 pak was 11 years ago and it has most likely changed since then and hopefully become more user freindly as it was a pita then with having to add measure temp and humidity in flowing floor spray booth and then calculate your hardener and silicone drops etc before you could lay it on and if you got it wrong it was at least 4 to 6 hours before rub back.

This is why I only realy only use Acrylic now, nice simple and fast.

If im just painting a tractor or an older mower that doesnt really matter I use enamel and leave it in the sun for a few days lol.

Good luck with it, thats probably all the help I could be these days.

[taff]

thanks mcrover.

[shorty943]

on another note once the colour is changed do i have to inform any one i.e. licensing centre.

jason

Yes.

Mr. Plod see car, number and colour do not match DRT details.

Pull over driver, smack on wrist. Bad driver, why you change colour not tell us? You tourist murderer or something? :angel:

Better get permission to change your tourneau cover while your at it.

Seriously? Yes, mate. RTA regs.

[taff]

Yes.

Mr. Plod see car, number and colour do not match DRT details.

Pull over driver, smack on wrist. Bad driver, why you change colour not tell us? You tourist murderer or something? :angel:

Better get permission to change your tourneau cover while your at it.

Seriously? Yes, mate. RTA regs.


how do i go about this. i'm in wa if that helps/matters

[LandyAndy]

Hi Jason
You need an "upside down" sraygun for 2 pack for best results.
SHED PREP is important.
Ive had a car painted in 2pack in a backyard shed by a pro.
1.Blow the shed out with a garden blower,got to get rid of the dust.
2.When you are ready to paint get the garden hose and water down EVERYTHING safe in the shed,dust again.
3.2 water traps on the airline,1 at compressor 1 close enough to the gun but still enough hose to work with.
4.SAFTEY BREATHING AS OTHERS HAVE MENTIONED.
The dust protection is critical because the 2pac sets off a posative static electricity charge to the job,as it cures it will suck any dust like a magnet.
Our job turned out brilliant,saw the car 4 years after we sold it,still looked as good as the day it was painted,6 years after the paintjob!!!
ENJOY,cant wait to see the paintjob!!!
Andrew

[taff]

thanks andy, me neither :D

[DaveS3]

how do i go about this. i'm in wa if that helps/matters

I'm in Vic and all I did was tell them (VicRoads) over the phone that I had changed the colour and everything was OK.

I painted my Ute fairly successfully with Enamel mixed with heaps of hardeners. I found that this has been very durable and paint has stayed on well. If doing it again I would try acrylic.

My biggest issues whilst painting where -
*Keeping workshop clean of dust (A PITA)
*Spraying to heavily too quickly (Much better to spray more light coats then to have thick runny coats :angel:)
*Requiring a BIG compressor
*Prep work - this is most important, check it all again, even the slightest of things show through to the top coat (even more so in 2pak I believe?)
*Make sure the paint is very well mixed / stirred to get consistency

That would be about it - this is not advice as such (obviously), just issues I encountered along the way.

Good luck - its fun :twisted:

Dave.

[HangOver]

i finally decided on my first choice of tangiers orange

So Saturday is it, i best keep the door shut incase I end up down wind of your place

Excellent colour choice though !

[seriesly]

the enamels also flow more after painting.

you need to dust on the final coats,sort of the opposite to painting acrylic

[Slunnie]

also if any one has any tips ref the painting then fire away as this is the second time i've painted a car and the first time didn't work out quite as i'd hoped :o
time to see if i've learned from my mistakes :D
jason
I always use a new roller and a colour from the Rustgard range. :D

[Tank]

So Saturday is it, i best keep the door shut incase I end up down wind of your place

Excellent colour choice though !
Do you know if this Forum has a colour chart for Land Rovers, all Models, would love to see what is available esp. taff's colour, the GT forum I frequent has colour charts for each model, think it would be a good idea for here as well, Regards Frank.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

...has colour charts for each model, think it would be a good idea for here as well, Regards Frank.
Frank

That would be a great idea; particularly with codes that paint companies in Oz can mix.

The only unfortunate bit is getting everyone to agree what bronze green is on a Series 1. :(

Otherwise I am all for it! :)

Diana

[5teve]

be easy to spot you then Taff!

Are you sure you wanna spray saturday? there gonna be a lot of dust kicked up your way as its meant to be pretty windy...

I'm with hangover... i'll keep my windows shut and watch for an orange cloud! :D

Thanks

Steve

[ATH]

I'm glad I'm even further down the road than you two as I won't smell it or see it!
Won't be able to miss him on the road though.
Good luck with it anyway Taff.
Alan.

[taff]

thanks for all the input and well wishes.
it's on for tomorrow i've got a load of plastic shhets and am going to make a sealed booth within my garage in the morning to help with the dust.

not a colour chart but a list of all landie colours and paint codes, which any decent paint shop should be able to mix up for you.
http://www.stephen.hull.btinternet.c...nmetallic.html

jason

[victa125]

Hey Taff, Some things you should know. For a good job a gravity gun is required,1.4 set up. Reason being with suction gun you have to over thin paint to get it to spray. Not good with 2 pak as chages ratio paint to hardener, it relies on this for proper drying (called crosslinking). Follow manufacture instruction on ratio. Dont over thin usually 10% max. As previously stated clean environ is critical. Cleaning job must also be thorough, use plenty of wax and grease remover with clean lint free rags. Contaminents on the surface can give you hell. Use tack rag, yellow one just prior to application. Test spray on something to check spray pattern 6 to 8 inches. All good? What you are to acheive with your first coat is an even medium wet coat even being the opperative. Do not apply light thin coats. After first coat has set up.(test on masking or such, when touched with finger tip should feel like sticky tape but paint not get on finger) Depending on coverage may need only two coats if so second is full wet coat if three second as first followed by final. With 2 pak Direct gloss any more than three is not required.Drying times vary but usualy 20hrs at 20c down to 30min at 60c. If have to rub, buff try to get this within 3 days as paint is more compliant. Do not rub with coarser than 1500 and use 2 pak cutting compound else you will not get the scratches back out. Can also earth body to concrete helps with static. When finnished have beer and sing ( I did it my way).

[mcrover]

Edit: All of the above lol, must have been posting at the same time.

You will need an extraction fan, if you dont have one then as the paint dust dries it will settle on the job.

Another tip I thought of today was to use a proper strainer, reusable or disposable to take out any bits of dust or anything that might get into your paint job.

The upside down guns are calle gravity feed guns and they are much better than the venturi type guns but it does take a bit of getting used to as it puts a bit more strain on the old wrist when stretching over a roof or bonnet.

As far as applying goes, keep it as close as you can without running and lay it on wet, too far back and too light will end up making it dull off and it could leave it with an orange peel effect.

Too close and too slow/heavy could leave you with runs, uneven surface, peel and/or cracking.

Leave it dry between coats as the paint shrinks when drying so if you lay it on to early it will crack as the under layer will be shrinking at a different rate than the top layer.

I think thats about it, some of that is more important with enamels and acrylics but all is usefull I think :D

Dont forget to protect your self and make sure you supply addaquate air flow around the job to clear the spray area of hase so you dont die and your job doesnt end up all dusty and dull (can be cut out but will always show up) yet no so much that it will drag in crap from outside.

have fun

[RonMcGr]

Where is he?

Perth!

Thats okay, it's a long way from God's Country :D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[Tank]

thanks for all the input and well wishes.
it's on for tomorrow i've got a load of plastic shhets and am going to make a sealed booth within my garage in the morning to help with the dust.

not a colour chart but a list of all landie colours and paint codes, which any decent paint shop should be able to mix up for you.
http://www.stephen.hull.btinternet.c...nmetallic.html

jason
Jason, that site wont open, is the URL correct, or is it just me, Regards Frank.

[taff]

Hey Taff, Some things you should know. For a good job a gravity gun is required,1.4 set up. Reason being with suction gun you have to over thin paint to get it to spray. Not good with 2 pak as chages ratio paint to hardener, it relies on this for proper drying (called crosslinking). Follow manufacture instruction on ratio. Dont over thin usually 10% max. As previously stated clean environ is critical. Cleaning job must also be thorough, use plenty of wax and grease remover with clean lint free rags. Contaminents on the surface can give you hell. Use tack rag, yellow one just prior to application. Test spray on something to check spray pattern 6 to 8 inches. All good? What you are to acheive with your first coat is an even medium wet coat even being the opperative. Do not apply light thin coats. After first coat has set up.(test on masking or such, when touched with finger tip should feel like sticky tape but paint not get on finger) Depending on coverage may need only two coats if so second is full wet coat if three second as first followed by final. With 2 pak Direct gloss any more than three is not required.Drying times vary but usualy 20hrs at 20c down to 30min at 60c. If have to rub, buff try to get this within 3 days as paint is more compliant. Do not rub with coarser than 1500 and use 2 pak cutting compound else you will not get the scratches back out. Can also earth body to concrete helps with static. When finnished have beer and sing ( I did it my way).

thanks mate this is exactly what i was after. i've got mixing pot's and have been told 4.1. i'll earth the body though and i'll be having plenty of beers when finished.
jason

[taff]

Jason, that site wont open, is the URL correct, or is it just me, Regards Frank.

i'll try again


http://www.stephen.hull.btinternet.co.uk/nonmetallic.html

[taff]

got 3 coats on and it's looking bright :o
bought a gravity fed gun this morning, painted roof first and not very happy with the result so swapped to my trusted gun with the cannister at the bottom and it's looking pretty tidy :cool:
hopefully get some paint on the wings today and now the trip tomorrow is cancelled i'll try and get the bonnet and doors done.
get gearbox back next week so quick fit for that and then on to electrics :(