election poll

[skidmark77]

Just thought id run my own election poll on here. Now i couldn't give a rats about your political leanings so dont say what they are. Just vote and we will see how accurate it was after the election


REPEAT, KEEP POLITICAL VIEWS TO YOURSELF, I don't want this to turn into a slanging match


PS....... I SHOULD HAVE WRITTEN LIBERAL/NATIONAL, Pleas take it as meaning that

[DiscoStew]

Another interesting poll would be who do people think will win (not who they want to win) to determine the punting ability of the forum. But I suspect that may cause poll fatigue.

[Quarks]

Skidmark77, I'm glad you put in the 'informal' option - that's something that most pollsters completely ignore!! :D

DiscoStew, have that idea again in a few days, ok? I reckon it'd be a good exercise, and I'd like to see how well we guess it. :)

[rangieman]

On ya bike johny:D

[Outback 1]

On ya bike johny:D

preferably with no tyres or chain lol:D

[feral]

On ya bike johny:D

Ok Rangieman...you have broken the rules and a penalty is to be applied :eek:


Which overseas diplomat posting would you like? :D

[solmanic]

Don't forget to add the Greens & Democrats numbers to Labor, and Family First to Liberal for a two party preferred poll. Split the independants 50/50.

[BigJon]

I have already voted too :eek:. Postal vote as I am going to be out of the NT and nowhere near a polling booth on the day.

[Outlaw]

and remember to keep an eye on these guys
http://www.fishingparty.com.au/

they're being pushed hard by the 4wd associations as a choice to protect our lifestyle

[Ace]

Labor all the way, i couldnt care less what people say about the unions, some might say i dont understand enough about it, dont really care, but labor has come to the party with millions on training and development in central NSW, with some decent money coming to our school to build much needed facilities so thats where my vote goes this year.

[Ace]

On ya bike johny:D

I will second that, after watching Rudd towel him in the debate i lost respect for him. He had nothing. His day has come and i dont want Captain Smirk as PM if Liberal wins and Johnny steps down.

[BigJon]

Labor all the way, i couldnt care less what people say about the unions, some might say i dont understand enough about it, dont really care, but labor has come to the party with millions on training and development in central NSW, with some decent money coming to our school to build much needed facilities so thats where my vote goes this year.


I hope for your sake that IF they are elected they actually follow through with their "promise". Otherwise you might find yourself very dissapointed...

[Quiggers]

This poll would make the lib/nat coalition happy!
The only poll that is in their favour...

Someone send it to the Howard camp, I'm sure the PM and his senior crew will make a mention of it on the telly.:D

The AULRO poll could become far more famous than any of the so called 'official' polls.

I cant vote for Howard or Rudd, so I'll vote for a local member...
haven't seen one that overly enthuses me yet:eek:

Cheers, GQ

[rangieman]

Ok Rangieman...you have broken the rules and a penalty is to be applied :eek:


Which overseas diplomat posting would you like? :D

Oops me bad:angel: , Me and rules dont go in the same sentence:p

[scrambler]

This forum is composed of people falling into one or more of the following categories:

1) People able to afford a new/newish car - i.e. people doing financially fairly well.
2) People who drive their cars to recreational activities off-road: things like fishing and shooting as well as 4wd-ing.
3) People who own a computer.
4) Immigrants from the UK - predominantly business migrants.
5) People classed by newspapers as "Rednecks"


And many other people of course :D

I think as a group we could have been expected to favour the coalition. Seeing it neck-and-neck suggests either - Johnny should pack his bags OR we're a broader group than we realised.

[Xavie]

Another interesting poll would be who do people think will win (not who they want to win) to determine the punting ability of the forum. But I suspect that may cause poll fatigue.

I agree it would be interesting. I don't follow the news that closely but I think it will be a close election in the end..... Haha, probably won't be close at all!

[Quiggers]

We've been doing some research here re 'the vote'.

The seat of page is pretty safe national party, if 5% is safe...

...of 400 (random) people asked we're showing (approx) 40% coalition; 40% labor; 20% other, big green vote here...

some of the poll operators (neilsen, newspoll etc) reckon 30+ seats to go to labor (coalition is gone if the swing is more than 16 seats)...

others call it at about 25 seats...

24 november will be an interesting saturday night...

GQ

[JamesH]

Well all things come to an end, good & bad.

I can only say I have been delirously happy with the Federal Govt for the last 11 years. Every controversial decision they have made I have been in complete and total agreement with.

Maybe it's time for me to let the other mob have a go. The ALP leader will not even admit to being "left wing"; he dares not. Perhaps that is Howard's greatest achievement.

I think whatever happens now, the country will be OK. On a whole the Australian electorate usually gets it right, even when I personally disagree with the decision.

[Quiggers]

Well all things come to an end, good & bad.

I can only say I have been delirously happy with the Federal Govt for the last 11 years. Every controversial decision they have made I have been in complete and total agreement with.

Maybe it's time for me to let the other mob have a go. The ALP leader will not even admit to being "left wing"; he dares not. Perhaps that is Howard's greatest achievement.

I think whatever happens now, the country will be OK. On a whole the Australian electorate usually gets it right, even when I personally disagree with the decision.


Very good comment James. Even if labor win, they've only got 3 years (or less)...

I suspect Howard is staying on so he can do another 'block supply':twisted::twisted::twisted:

GQ

[crl]

Can you put the Nationals in there too?

[numpty]

I hope for your sake that IF they are elected they actually follow through with their "promise". Otherwise you might find yourself very dissapointed...

So Johnny has kept all of his promises over the years!!!!!

Oh that's right......they were all non core promises:p

[twitchy]

Can't believe so many people want Johny Liar liar pants on fire back in power......... :eek:

[skidmark77]

Well I posted only one rule, which was mostly ignored!
I am 30 and from 18 to 25 i voted labor. at about 25 i realised my views were fairly right wing and i preferred the liberal way of thinking. I believe johnny has done a good job. I am employed and have a secure job thanks to the robust economy. What i dont like is when one party controls both the lower house and the senate. So my hope for the election is that the liberals are returned, with a minority in the senate. Failing that if labor happens to win i hope the liberals control the senate.

























Maybe we might even hear kevin 09 say............
"Ladies and gentlemen, well may we say 'God Save the Queen', because nothing will save the Governor-General."

[Ken]

One day AULRO shall govern Australia and the country will be a better place :D:D:D

Politics and Religion the two biggest initiates of war poverty famine and disease wheres the sense in it all and these Jokers run the country

They keep the rich even more rich and the poor even poorer

[Reads90]

Can't believe so many people want Johny Liar liar pants on fire back in power......... :eek:


I think the Phrase is better the devil you know :)

They don't want him in power but rudd scares them more :)

And as a song says.

Goverment is not the solution to our problem goverment is the problem

[easo]

I would like to see/hear them talk more about their policys, rather than trying to slege each other.

My opinion, Easo

[Reads90]

I would like to see/hear them talk more about their policys, rather than trying to slege each other.

My opinion, Easo

I have always thought that the promises that they make should be legally binding. They are both promiseing the earth . Interesting to see what we get of it from who ever gets in

[Mick-Kelly]

I follow Billy Connollys thinking, anyone who wants to be a politician should be immediately banned from ever being one.

[Jeff]

I was looking at The Shooters Party website the other day. It has the senate paper and how your preferances are distributes if you put a 1 on the top line. I thought it funny some parties' attitude towards each other.

I fear the Greens will try to ban everything I enjoy.

Jeff

:rocket:

[DiscoStew]

Maybe Mr Scrubby will one day run on the senate ticket for the Pedestrian Council and we can all vote for him.:wasntme:

Haven't heard much from him lately besides a letter to the editor the other day. Can't remember what he was complaining about.

[rangieman]

It realy does,nt matter a great deal , because at the end of the day your going to end up with a politician that lies and promises nothing , except for their exceptional super fund and retirement fund:p

[longreach]

:eek:WERE DO YOU VOTE FOR THE NATIONALS ???????

[numpty]

:eek:WERE DO YOU VOTE FOR THE NATIONALS ???????

What's the point........Coalition........same as Liberals.

[UncleHo]

Aaah! Trust Me, "There will never ever be a GST" :angel::wasntme:


"All Pensioners are well off" Yeah! right.

[Bigbjorn]

:eek:WERE DO YOU VOTE FOR THE NATIONALS ???????

Why would you vote for the Country Crooks? Remember the J B-P years?

[longreach]

Why would you vote for the Country Crooks? Remember the J B-P years?
:cool:I remember joh years ,thy where good,he should of been PM:banana::banana:

[Relay]

I dunno. Ironically I kinda figured informal would be higher. Aparently we all care more than we pretend to!

[Bigbjorn]

:cool:I remember joh years ,thy where good,he should of been PM:banana::banana:

He was country member, and boy, do we remember.

[Outback 1]

Oops me bad:angel: , Me and rules dont go in the same sentence:p

ain't that the truth lol:bangin::bangin::Rolling::Rolling::Rolling::Rol ling::TakeABow:

[aclo]

Very good comment James. Even if labor win, they've only got 3 years (or less)...

I suspect Howard is staying on so he can do another 'block supply':twisted::twisted::twisted:

GQ

One can only hope.....

[Merv]

I was surprised the Greens recieved any votes on a poll in this forum, must be the soccer mum Disco drivers :p:wasntme:

[crl]

I have always thought that the promises that they make should be legally binding.

I agree. :nazilock:
I seem to remember last election a dual carriage way highway up the east coast being promised. I'd like to see that.

[DiscoMick]

Every govt for the last 15 years, state and federal, has promised to fix the Pacific Highway, so that should tell you something about whether promises are kept.
I'm finding it hard to get motivated enough to vote for anyone.

[Bigbjorn]

Why bother. The Pacific is a tourist highway with lots of little towns and lots of twisty bits. The New England Highway is a better faster trip for commerce and those who want to make a mile without being held up by terrorists pulling caravans with underpowered sedans, and by geriatrics in motor homes. Pull the speed limit on the Pacific back to 80, which is what the terrorists want to drive at, and lift the New England to 140. Bar vans and Winnebagos from the New England and everyone will be happy and the nation will not be billions out of pocket.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

One day AULRO shall govern Australia and the country will be a better place :D:D:D
The problem is that if AULRO was in Government the Toyota Landcruiser Club of Australia would be in opposition.

Diana

[Reads90]

The problem is that if AULRO was in Government the Toyota Landcruiser Club of Australia would be in opposition.

Diana

Nah they won't, The first job you do is ban them , problem sorted :D:D

[Quarks]

Nah, banning them doesn't look nice.

You just rip up the road to Parliament House, and replace it with a tricky 4wd track, and a sign "Standard vehicles only".

Same effect, but looks much nicer! :D:D

[Stepho_62]

You just rip up the road to Parliament House, and replace it with a tricky 4wd track, and a sign "Standard vehicles only".

:eek: ****, u should be a politician.:D:D:wasntme:

[crl]

Pull the speed limit on the Pacific back to 80, which is what the terrorists want to drive at, and lift the New England to 140. Bar vans and Winnebagos from the New England and everyone will be happy and the nation will not be billions out of pocket.

You're an ideas man Brian Hjelm!

[Ralph1Malph]

Gents,
I have a grin so wide it hurts :D
I have just (deliberately) sold an investment property.

IF Krudd wins AND is able to keep interest rates at present lows or better, I will re-invest in better property as well as humbly admit they can keep rates low.

IF Krudd wins and, as history suggests, rates rise substantially, I will still be able to pick up a better property investment but it will be a reposession and maybe I'll get it even cheaper:o. In this scenario, I will probably be able to purchase a second hand D2 from the same repo chaps.:(

IF JHo is returned , I will reinvest in property, but it will be less better than the other scenarios, but either way, thanks to JHo, I will have maxxed my investment.:D

Sound selfish:o, not at all, property is my super.

Other spin offs I will realise on Mon 26 Nov in the event of a Krudd win:
Some of our folk will be progressively laid off, (already planned to accomodate higher salaries and less departmental budget) so more chance for me to get that covetted window cubicle.:p

My local hospital waiting list will be halved and trains will run on time due to infrastructure improvements.

Some of our staff on the Defence equiv of AWA will likely be quite sick of me reminding them to take advantage of 'opt out' clauses in their agreement so they can take advantage of new, lower rate collective agreements. Not so much a spin off but it will be fun....

Ok, Ok, maybe the trains and hospitals won't be fixed straight away, but hey, I can dream can't I?:D:D:D

:p:p:p:p:p:p:p

Ralph

[rick130]

interest rates will continue to rise regardless of who gets in.
The Reserve has to keep upping them to reign in the profligate spending promised during the campaign, particularly by the Coalition ATM.

Howard was a numpty (sorry Mr & Mrs :D) claiming before the last election that he would keep interest rates down, and so was the electorate by buying the BS.
The the only control he has is monetary policy, the Reserve Bank independently sets interest rates and their main focus is the control of inflation.
If the Coalition actually gets back in and implements the spending they have promised (and they'd be mad if they did) say hello recession.........

[Quarks]

interest rates will continue to rise regardless of who gets in.
The Reserve has to keep upping them to reign in the profligate spending promised during the campaign, particularly by the Coalition ATM.

Howard was a numpty (sorry Mr & Mrs :D) claiming before the last election that he would keep interest rates down, and so was the electorate by buying the BS.
The the only control he has is monetary policy, the Reserve Bank independently sets interest rates and their main focus is the control of inflation.
If the Coalition actually gets back in and implements the spending they have promised (and they'd be mad if they did) say hello recession.........

Hmmm, why am I reminded of Clarke and Dawe (http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2006/s1785177.htm) right now?
:D:D

[Reads90]

Agreed
I was only saying to the misses that what were labour going to say when they are still going up in March next year:)
After all basic econmics tells you that labour work on the basis that they want to keep umemloyment down (Monarty Policy) as low as poss. as they are for the workers :angel:. BUT. the problem with economics is that the interest rates and unemployment are related. If unemployment is down then most are earning, and therefore spending which in turn sends up inflation. The way to get inflation down is to take money out of the econmy. and the fastest way to do this is with interest rates. So the raise in rates is our fault and not the fault of who ever is in power.:) We are spending far too much :)

Labour tend to work on Monatary policy which means keep unemployment down, and the liberals work on Fical ploicy which means keep inflation down.
This is why in the past labour has had high interest rates, and the liberals high unemployemt
But as time goes by these two parties have got cloer and closer to the same sort of policy as far as it comes to this .
It is almost impossible to get both inflation, intersest rates, and unemployment down all at the same time . Inflation and unemployment are like a see saw.

But al goverment parties these days tend to work to getting both down.

But finally expect the interest rate still to go up with labour in charge (to be fare same with liberals). Least untill they have taken enough out of the economy to stop people spend. But do too much inflation goes down but companys go bust and people lose their jobs and unemploymet goes up

So to sum up who ever gets in interest rates will go up . So don't base your vote on that Labour will not put up interest rates as you will be pi**ed of when they do :)

[tony]

Well I just voted so got a look at the results of our poll

and can I say I am stuned and amazed there must be a lot of school and soccer moms on this site and not many people who actuley do what they proport tto do

"love the bush, camping 4wheel driveing "ect

how in the seven wonders can people vote for someone who takes away all of the things we suposedley like doing......

fishing,wheeldriveing,shooting,

but there again I answered that question in the second paragraph...

not to mention a bloke who says give me the job but hang on sorry I'll only do it for a bit to bump up my super befor handing off to my good buddy smile a lot

I wonder what the austrailans of 60 years ago would have thought as they were defending our rights with there blood if they could only see there country now...

we need a world wide culling............

The views expressed above are my opinions only no offence is intended or expressed

Tony

[Lucy]

I remember when the opposition was in power, and all I can say is: If it ain't broken, don't fix it!

And as for the current treasurer, don't be too sure that he'll become leader, he has some very strong opposition inside the party, and he is one of the reasons JHo is sticking around, until he can get rid of him.

[procrastination inc]

we need a world wide culling............

don't worry, it's coming.

The "go for growth" fiscal gurus will see to it.

Communism died because it did not tell the economic truth.

Capitalism will die because it does not tell the environmental truth.

infinite growth on finite resources is impossible. to go about business as if you can consume resources like they are unending is just leaving the following generations with the clean up bill and nothing to fund it with.

The purpose if Government is to provide long term vision and leadership, to regulate community action to achieve long term goals. This can not be left to the free market economy driven buy short term profiteering, no matter what Mr Costello says.

[Reads90]

I remember when the opposition was in power, and all I can say is: If it ain't broken, don't fix it!

And as for the current treasurer, don't be too sure that he'll become leader, he has some very strong opposition inside the party, and he is one of the reasons JHo is sticking around, until he can get rid of him.


Yeah agree too. There is another saying too.

Better the devil you know.

[Quiggers]

When John Howard was treasurer and Malcolm Fraser was the PM, the cash rate was 22%; that government legislated to cap the home loan rate at 13.5%.

And Howard reckons Labor has an interest rate problem...

I seem to recall that Paul Keating made a 'promise' in the early nineties that the Pacific Highway would be dual carriageway from Newcastle to the QLD border by year 2000.

Pollies.......

GQ

[UncleHo]

G'day Quiggers :)

Ooh! so VERY True!!!!!!!! Would you buy a Vacuum Cleaner from Capt.Smirk??????????? ;)


cheers

[procrastination inc]

"If it ain't broken, don't fix it!"

The country and the economy is doing pretty well. That is little to do with tis government.

Global demand for resources is driving the wealth, labour market reforms instigated by Hawke and Keating allowed our industries to take advantage of it.

little lying Johnny has taken advantage of the windfall and used it each election to buy votes. Fortunately, the voting public is no longer falling for it.

AND I think the Libs are deliberately trying to loose this election because it is all about to fall down and they don't want to be there when it happens.

Take a look at GDP verses private debt over Johnnys reign. National income and private incomes have gone up, but private debt has grown even faster.

As the economy heats up, the Reserve will keep upping the ante to force less spending and that is going to hurt the punters and Mr "record low interest rates" won't want to face the music on that.

Labor will get in and it will be their fault, not liberals squandering of a boom opportunity.

[Quiggers]

"If it ain't broken, don't fix it!"

AND I think the Libs are deliberately trying to loose this election because it is all about to fall down and they don't want to be there when it happens.



I could almost agree with you, but, having worked in the pollie game, the one thing that all pollies want is to be in government, not in opposition. They want the 'power', most of these people have seriously large egos.

Take Malcolm Turnbull for example, he's got more than $100 million in his pocket (so he doesn't really need the $200k or so he get as a local member/minister, annually), was once in the Labor Party, but when that didn't work for him, he swapped colours, got a (then) safe Liberal seat (Wentworth) and is grittng his teeth, biding his time so he can, one day, be the Prime Minister...

Kevin07 has a missus who has about $175 million in her kick; yet the Prime Ministers 'wage' is about $330k pa.

One has to look deep into the psyche of those who seek the high public office; are they trying to do their bit for the country, or are they seeking some form of ego boosting self satisfaction?

GQ

[rick130]

I could almost agree with you, but, having worked in the pollie game, the one thing that all pollies want is to be in government, not in opposition. They want the 'power', most of these people have seriously large egos.

Take Malcolm Turnbull for example, he's got more than $100 million in his pocket (so he doesn't really need the $200k or so he get as a local member/minister, annually), was once in the Labor Party, but when that didn't work for him, he swapped colours, got a (then) safe Liberal seat (Wentworth) and is grittng his teeth, biding his time so he can, one day, be the Prime Minister...

Kevin07 has a missus who has about $175 million in her kick; yet the Prime Ministers 'wage' is about $330k pa.

One has to look deep into the psyche of those who seek the high public office; are they trying to do their bit for the country, or are they seeking some form of ego boosting self satisfaction?

GQ


and there endeth the lesson ;)







Must say I'm very impressed how everyone is keeping this so civil......









so far..... :D

[RonMcGr]

I could almost agree with you, but, having worked in the pollie game, the one thing that all pollies want is to be in government, not in opposition. They want the 'power', most of these people have seriously large egos.

Take Malcolm Turnbull for example, he's got more than $100 million in his pocket (so he doesn't really need the $200k or so he get as a local member/minister, annually), was once in the Labor Party, but when that didn't work for him, he swapped colours, got a (then) safe Liberal seat (Wentworth) and is grittng his teeth, biding his time so he can, one day, be the Prime Minister...

Kevin07 has a missus who has about $175 million in her kick; yet the Prime Ministers 'wage' is about $330k pa.

One has to look deep into the psyche of those who seek the high public office; are they trying to do their bit for the country, or are they seeking some form of ego boosting self satisfaction?

GQ

In the case of Rudd, it does appear to be "Me, me, me, me..."

I also think Garrett was right about Rudd.

Costello does not have a personality for a Prime Minister, but he is not as week as Rudd.

Turnbull would be my bet and he'll upset many on the way there :)

I only hope this poll reflects a similar result as the federal one :D

[Ralph1Malph]

If there is one, and only one benefit of the Coalition losing, it will be that some of their experienced and knowledgable folk may end up in State parties. Hopefully then, we can change State governments and actually do something about health, transport and education, which by the way, are all the responsibilities of the States (yet blamed on Canberra:eek:).
Can you imagine a Qld parliament with some of the present federal characters:twisted:, or the Vic parliament with Peter Costello in full voice :twisted:or Alexander Downer in SA:angel:. What about Tony Abbott, now that would be fun!:cool:

Ralph

[Jamo]

Statistics re debt being high are misleading. For some time it has been more beneficial in Aust (from both a taxation and a return pov) to invest money rather than save. Thus, whilst debt is high in monetary terms, there's a sound reason for it.

IMHO if you have a beef with the present govt then go for a change.

But, voting for Rudd because Howard is a 'liar' is like voting for the pot because the kettle is black.

And, deciding who you'll vote for in any election based on "maybe it's time for a change" appears to me to be totally unsound reasoning.

[HAK]

I cant believe the result so far THE LIBS the little man howard the coward :o

[RonMcGr]

I cant believe the result so far THE LIBS the little man howard the coward :o

Very odd comment!

[numpty]

Oh....that's right.......he's the man of steel!!!!!!:p

Actually, I voted today, as I wont be local on Saturday. Surprised me the number of people who were pre poll voting, was almost as busy as polling day.

[mudmouse]

Well at the end of the day we've got a lot to be thankful for - we're allowed to vote, we've got an income that allows us to indulge in a hobby and places to exercise that interest. The vote is always a very personal decision - it's the individuals choice.

Best country on the planet too! I'm looking forward to Sunday morning....:D

[Quiggers]

If there is one, and only one benefit of the Coalition losing, it will be that some of their experienced and knowledgable folk may end up in State parties. Hopefully then, we can change State governments and actually do something about health, transport and education, which by the way, are all the responsibilities of the States (yet blamed on Canberra:eek:).
Can you imagine a Qld parliament with some of the present federal characters:twisted:, or the Vic parliament with Peter Costello in full voice :twisted:or Alexander Downer in SA:angel:. What about Tony Abbott, now that would be fun!:cool:

Ralph

a very nice and very honorable thought, ralph1malph...

...but federal pollies see the states and any mention of a 'tour of duty' there as a backwards step...

...some state pollies have made the move to federal, like john fahey, kevin rudd, carmen lawrence, laurie brereton and others....

but they see the game in one direction,

even the right honorable and very independent Ted Mack, (Nth Sydney), went thru local council, to NSW state govt and on to federal, but I'm unsure if any have ever gone the other way....

which brings us back to the 'ego' issue.....:eek:

i couldn't see rudd, swan, gillard, howard, turnbull, costello, abbott or hockey, having lost their federal seats, seeking a seat in their respective states....

nor would the state govts/oppositions actually want them...being that each state has two leaders (govt/opposition), an ex heavyweight from federal could undermine the 'leadership' of the incumbent... e.g. joe hockey would make a great opposition leader in NSW, but Barrie would have to move aside and Joe, even before that possibility, would have to wait another three and a half years (to the next state election) before that would happen....

most of the people we will vote in next saturday are extremely driven, motivated by success, individuals...

cheers,

GQ

[robert42]

Hi All
What a brilliant lot we are..And to live where we do, who should complain..Not once did I hear a mention about a double tax on fuel..No body wants to know that we are being ripped off again. and again? And I hear Johnny say that if labour win ,all that POWER will be in the hands of labour state and fed..Give me a break.. The man has more power now with both house..
I wonder if they hear them selves, or do they also tell them selves lies, as well as everyone eles? The world is on the brink anyhow.Are they that blind?
Good luck hope your guy wins...It won't make THAT much difference..If labour wins, we COULD have cleaner air, and hi interest rates..If libs.ect. wins we will have hi interest rates, and dirty air..which one can we live with?

[Quiggers]

Right there Robert,

If any of them actually had any real guts or vision, they'd scrap personal income tax and up the GST to 15%...

that way, every dollar earned would go to the earner, then its up to the individual as to how and where the $$$ are spent...

...it'd also get rid of an entire strata of the ATO, those who create Tax laws; tax lawyers and accountants could do something more important with their lives etc....

...then many could work on ways to save the country from being a totally drought ridden desert, soon to be partially immersed, mostly in heavily populated regions, by melting icecaps...

GQ

[Jamo]

Right there Robert,

If any of them actually had any real guts or vision, they'd scrap personal income tax and up the GST to 15%...

GQ

Amen to that brother!

[Ralph1Malph]

Hi All
Good luck hope your guy wins...It won't make THAT much difference..If labour wins, we COULD have cleaner air, and hi interest rates..If libs.ect. wins we will have hi interest rates, and dirty air..which one can we live with?

Too True and you may be proved correct.:cool:
I have this nagging doubt tho', that the solutions to dirty air will cost money to implement:o. Now, all the state govts are raising the costs of utilities to pay for desal, recycling, 'green' energy, carbon offsets etc etc etc.
I expect a Labor Fed Govt to do the same once they have squandered the surplus on wage rises, bailing out the states (health, education and transport), raided the future fund to pay for broadband/computers and allowed inflation and interest rate rises to scuttle any remaining productivity.
At least with the current Govt, we can afford to fix the planet:eek:.

Ralph

Disclaimer:
Above are the ramblings of a conservative leaning citizen. They are not intended to be the view of the management or members of AULRO:D:D :D

[Rovernaut]

If Johny bugalugs Howard saw this independant poll his eyebrows would certainly be twitching.
But like all other polls they don't ask the real people.
AULRO is full of conservatives from affluent up bringings.
:p:p:p:p:):)

[tony]

If Johny bugalugs Howard saw this independant poll his eyebrows would certainly be twitching.
But like all other polls they don't ask the real people.
AULRO is full of conservatives from affluent up bringings.
:p:p:p:p:):)


:D:D:D:D:D:Dhow true,

T

[JamesH]

If Johny bugalugs Howard saw this independant poll his eyebrows would certainly be twitching.
But like all other polls they don't ask the real people.
AULRO is full of conservatives from affluent up bringings.
:p:p:p:p:):)


By that token it would appear that most of Australia is conservative from an affluent upbringing if the last 11 years of federal election results are anything to go by.

I am conservative and from a relatively affluent upbringing and I know that has nothing to do with how skint I am right now:o.

What is news to me is that I am not real:eek:. That's come as a bit of a shock, though it does explain a few things:angel:

[tony]

I am confused.......... can someone








please explain...........

we as a group of people proport to enjoy the bush 4wheeldriveing and all that sort of thing yet we (you) seem to support the biggest danger to our lifestyle

I would have thought the libs/greens would be last on the poll....:eek::eek::eek::eek:

T

[skidmark77]

What i cant stand is that Rudd and that turd Garrett have made an issue out of global warming............As if it is actually real.

[tony]

What i cant stand is that Rudd and that turd Garrett have made an issue out of global warming............As if it is actually real.


You do jest do you not ???


T

[Reads90]

What i cant stand is that Rudd and that turd Garrett have made an issue out of global warming............As if it is actually real.


Ah you see they have learn for the UK Labour party and found you can charge any tax and pass any rules as long as it for green issues then no one can moan or agrue as it is no PC to do so . So (as the Uk labour party does) get loads of money from "Green Taxes" that don't actually go into any green prodjects , infact don't really know where they go:)

[rick130]

Right there Robert,

If any of them actually had any real guts or vision, they'd scrap personal income tax and up the GST to 15%...

that way, every dollar earned would go to the earner, then its up to the individual as to how and where the $$$ are spent...

...it'd also get rid of an entire strata of the ATO, those who create Tax laws; tax lawyers and accountants could do something more important with their lives etc....

...then many could work on ways to save the country from being a totally drought ridden desert, soon to be partially immersed, mostly in heavily populated regions, by melting icecaps...

GQ

it's a shame more don't think like this.

The current lot have so dramatically increased the burden on so many layers of society, from the increase in paper work compliance and subsequent fiancial cost on small business (which most in this area seem to be blind to at election time :eek:) to the greater layers of tax law and legislation right across the board, greater levels of intrusion into personal lives, the continual denial that humans are contributing to destroying our planet, the raping of the environment through unsustainable mining, logging and farming practices, (think multi-national owned cotton, rice ) and the seeming 'inability' to step in and take on/over rule the weak Qld Labor government who are in the pocket of said multi-national corps continuing to allow large scale land clearing and tragic over allocation of water of the inland rivers feeding south as they don't want to upset the parochial Qld voters. :mad: The continued erosion of civil liberties under the guise of 'anti-terror laws' and the continual peddling in fear to stay in power.

It's just base politics with no vision and I am so over it.......


<edit> FWIW, I am a small business owner/operator, have been a farmer and come from a very conservative background :p </edit>

[DiscoMick]

I'm currently working in a country which has a 10% VAT plus average income tax is only about 10% and it certainly leaves a lot of money in your pocket. Mind you, only govt. employees get pensions, but health care is cheap and good standard, so its swings and roundabouts I guess. I wouldn't recommend it, but its interesting.

[Rovernaut]

What i cant stand is that Rudd and that turd Garrett have made an issue out of global warming............As if it is actually real.



Yesterday on the news I heard the the Hole in the Ozone layer over Antarctica is shrinking .
OK boys we can come out of the closet and rev up the V8s and enjoy

[numpty]

Not picking on any particular post here, but I can't believe some of the bollocks that has been espoused:o

I wonder if some people actually think before penning replies. Oh, I suppose that includes me.:angel:

[Quiggers]

If Johny bugalugs Howard saw this independant poll his eyebrows would certainly be twitching.
But like all other polls they don't ask the real people.
AULRO is full of conservatives from affluent up bringings.
:p:p:p:p:):)


nice little handgrenade there rovernaut...:D:D:D

don't include me in that version of the straw poll; you may also find some rather radical people here

btw: aulro is made up 'real people' whatever their political persuasion...

interestingly tho', the poll running re the vote on nov 24 has secured only about 10% of all registered aulro members...

there maybe another 90% who could help up the vote for the dems:twisted::twisted::twisted:

tis all but fun...

worked on an election with hawkie in '87, he didnt take it seriously....:eek::D;)

GQ

[CraigE]

The sad truth is it does not matter who you vote for these days, they all tell blatant lies to get into office, give with one hand and take with the other. Its about time our politicians were made accountable for promises that they make and stopped pandering to minorities.
Fix our infrastructure, health, schools and emergency services. All the fluffy stuff should be taken car of by business and private industry.
Our services are losing policemen, paramedics, nurse and firefighters to the resource industry because they are overworked, underpayed and stressed. Its ok to pay a government advisor or department head equivalent salaries to the private sector but not normal people.

[FenianEel]

Not picking on any particular post here, but I can't believe some of the bollocks that has been espoused:o

I wonder if some people actually think before penning replies. Oh, I suppose that includes me.:angel:


I'm not into stirring or intentionally causing heated argument :eek: But Here's a blast from the past!!!!!:twisted::D

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/05/730.jpg

[Pedro_The_Swift]

interestingly tho', the poll running re the vote on nov 24 has secured only about 10% of all registered aulro members...

GQ


10% is spot on
you can offer members free beer round here and you'll only get 10% ----

its been the same since Inc wore short pants,,,,

:wasntme:

[incisor]

its been the same since Inc wore short pants,,,,

:wasntme:
not a pretty sight it has to be said....

[Lotz-A-Landies]

.... there maybe another 90% who could help up the vote for the Dems:twisted::twisted::twisted: ...
They got elected on a platform of keeping them honest and No GST and then there was Democrat, oops I mean Independant Meg Lees :nazilock::nazilock: ...

How could anyone vote for the Democrats ever again!!!!:mad:

I don't think they will exist much past this election, a very great shame for what was a great moderator in Aussie politics.

Diana

[skidmark77]

You do jest do you not ???


T

no, no such thing, its just normal weather cycles

[5teve]

Johhny Rotten (sex pistols) had the right idea on a radio interview i heard with him (he's actually quite a clever bloke!)

he reckons that every member of parliment (was talking about uk) should be individually voted for and put into power by the people. This was THEY and only THEY become accountable for their work. No political parties then just individuals that need to do a good job otherwise they dont get to stay in....

in the UK its the only job that you can do without a relavent qualification... eg education minister with barely an education and no kids, environment minister that has no qualifications in environmental issues.

it would be like me being an engineer and suddenly demanding to be a doctor...

just my 2 cents..... i just hope that íf labour do end up getting in it doesnt go the same way as the UK... they screwed that country good and hard...

i know where my vote (if i had one) lies.....

Thanks

Steve

[Jeff]

If Johny bugalugs Howard saw this independant poll his eyebrows would certainly be twitching.
But like all other polls they don't ask the real people.
AULRO is full of conservatives from affluent up bringings.
:p:p:p:p:):)

Define a "real person".

BTW I am a conservative but far from an affluent upbringing. I think the old idea of Labor being the working man's party is long out of date, but after the 1996 gun buyback I swore I'd never vote Liberal again.

Jeff

:rocket:

[ellard]

Hi there Jeff

I hear where your comming from regarding the Gun issue - its not the gun that kills it the idiot behind the trigger.

I dont want to make this political - but all our questions will be soon answered - election day.......

But I hope your wrong - I work in the Mining Industry and we worked on AWA's for many years and Labor & Unions etc scare me and the Mining Industry.

Well all the best to both sides - and I assure you there will be a winner........

Wayne

[RonMcGr]

Hi there Jeff

I hear where your comming from regarding the Gun issue - its not the gun that kills it the idiot behind the trigger.

I dont want to make this political - but all our questions will be soon answered - election day.......

But I hope your wrong - I work in the Mining Industry and we work on AWA's for many years and Labour/Unions etc scare me and the Mining Industry.

Well all the best to both sides - and I assure you there will be a winner........

Wayne

Well said Wayne.
At least some one knows what trouble this country could be in.
Lets hope the puppet remains on a string