power steering fluid.......

[DEFENDERZOOK]

power steering fluid......


who has changed their power steering fluid......
and what method did you use to change it.......

i dont want to hear you took to it the local workshop......
cos it probably wasnt done properly.......


also......for those in the game......what power steering fluid do you use......
whats the equivalent of land rover part number 2468 for example.....
in different brands.......?

[460cixy]

i use castrol agri free from work but also the only fluid we are spose to use in the current range of ford power steer systems. you will probly find dextron3 is the recomended fluid

[DEFENDERZOOK]

i dont drive a ford......


dexron III is not recommended for the fender......

[460cixy]

well smart **** if you allready knew what to ****ing use why did you bother to ask? you my friend are a tool!

[MinniTheMoocha]

Penrite ATF Topup is what I used to refill my reservoir as I had a leaking pipe.

Did not drain and refill sorry.

[DEFENDERZOOK]

well smart **** if you allready knew what to ****ing use why did you bother to ask? you my friend are a tool!


i dont know what to use......im trying to find out what to use.....
the handbook only specifies the land rover part number for the oil.....

im trying to find out the equivalent oil in other brands.....ie...shell...castrol.....penrite......e tc.......
there are a few people on this site that work on landys.....
so i thought they may know what to use rather than go genuine......

and....as for the procedure side of things......im sure there are quite a few people on here who would also like to change
their power steering fluid without running the pump dry.....causing damage......

i wanted to hear what methods people use to do the job at home without using a full on flushing kit which some workshops have.......


wasnt being a smart ****.......and wasnt interested in ford pumps........this is a landy site......
if you see in my signature....what i drive.....you will understand that these things are getting a bit fussy with their oils.......
you gotta use the right stuff to avoid damage......
and most of the oils need to be either synthetic or semi synthetic.......

[discowhite]

tony,
ive been using caltex havoline atf in both the disco and now the defender. its free too;)
to this date ive never had any issues with it, dont know if its suited for a fender or not??
as for flushing the system, my way is abit messy but draining oil usually is:cool:
i crack the bleed nipple on the steer box with the engine going and to up the res as its draining out.
i stop when ive filled the res 1.5times.

again i think the key to oil is to change it b4 its too burnt, (P/S, atf etc).


cheers phil

[LandyAndy]

Tony
Penrite now do a specific Landrover fluid.
Penrite PAS for Landrover ACE and power steering systems.
I had a hell of a job locating it,found that Malz in Perth stock it.You will probably need to order it in from a penrite seller.
Andrew

[DEFENDERZOOK]

penrite.....thats my prefered brand of oils........will look into this........

phil.....thats the method we used to use back in the workshop as well......flush and bleed at the same time.....
and its almost impossible to fit a hose on the bleed nipple to reduce the mess......as it just falls off again.....spraying oil everywhere......fun....


must chase up some PAS fluid from penrite.....

[Barra1]

i dont know what to use......im trying to find out what to use.....
the handbook only specifies the land rover part number for the oil.....

im trying to find out the equivalent oil in other brands.....ie...shell...castrol.....penrite......e tc.......
there are a few people on this site that work on landys.....
so i thought they may know what to use rather than go genuine......

and....as for the procedure side of things......im sure there are quite a few people on here who would also like to change
their power steering fluid without running the pump dry.....causing damage......

i wanted to hear what methods people use to do the job at home without using a full on flushing kit which some workshops have.......


wasnt being a smart ****.......and wasnt interested in ford pumps........this is a landy site......
if you see in my signature....what i drive.....you will understand that these things are getting a bit fussy with their oils.......
you gotta use the right stuff to avoid damage......
and most of the oils need to be either synthetic or semi synthetic.......

Firstly, (gee what AM I doing) I am not having a go at 460Cixy - and I don't know Defenderzook and most likely never will.

I have to comment on Defenderzook's reply to 460Cixy - I know I would have "misunderstood" 460Cixy's reply to Defenderzook's original question - even though it contained a level of swearing which has been very topical of late.

Defenderzook stand and accept your award for patience and diplomacy.

This had the potential to develop into a case where an exponent felt compelled to throw in the towel and leave AULRO - but I reckon Defenderzook's lengthy experience on the site came to the fore.

I'm posting this because I KNOW I would not have been as understanding and tolerant as Defenderzook - and that is not an accusation against 460Cixy - just stating a point.

(Although 460Cixy I reckon you probably think I am having a go at you - I'm not - but I'll wear any grief coming my way).

This is the guts of it.......

Given the events surrounding Ron etc etc. I reckon replies like Defenderzook's should be highlighed as examples of what we should all be working towards.

[rick130]

the OE stuff is Caltex Cold Climate PAS14315 power steering fluid, which is a semi synthetic fluid and is very close to an ATF. I've bought it off a dealer, as it at the time it was only available in 20l drums, but I think that has changed in the last two years.

A Dex II or III fluid is compatible, although I've found most mineral based Dex III's change the feel and increase the groan, etc. compared to the OE stuff.

The closest I've found in performance and feel and should have better high temp performance is Castrol Transmax Z, and it's the same green colour, too.
Any ATF or PAS fluid by Redline, Amsoil, Royal Purple, Neo, et al should be excellent, too.

Changing it involved jacking the front end up, taking the return line off the pump, blocking the port with a 1/2" plastic cap and dropping the return line with a suitable extension (usually a piece of copper tube) into a catch pan, turn the engine on and have someone keep feeding fresh fluid into the reservoir. Turn the wheels to each full lock and hold them there momentarily then back to centre. I rty to flush at least 5 litres through so I know I've flushed all the old stuff and any contaminants out.
Hard off road can really cook the fluid.

[DEFENDERZOOK]

thats the correct procedure for a proper flush.......a waste of fluid......but a proper flush.......


what do you you think of penrite PAS fluid......?
you know anything about this........or what it is......?

[DEFENDERZOOK]

Firstly, (gee what AM I doing) I am not having a go at 460Cixy - and I don't know Defenderzook and most likely never will.

I have to comment on Defenderzook's reply to 460Cixy - I know I would have "misunderstood" 460Cixy's reply to Defenderzook's original question - even though it contained a level of swearing which has been very topical of late.

Defenderzook stand and accept your award for patience and diplomacy.

This had the potential to develop into a case where an exponent felt compelled to throw in the towel and leave AULRO - but I reckon Defenderzook's lengthy experience on the site came to the fore.

I'm posting this because I KNOW I would not have been as understanding and tolerant as Defenderzook - and that is not an accusation against 460Cixy - just stating a point.

(Although 460Cixy I reckon you probably think I am having a go at you - I'm not - but I'll wear any grief coming my way).

This is the guts of it.......

Given the events surrounding Ron etc etc. I reckon replies like Defenderzook's should be highlighed as examples of what we should all be working towards.


i may have provoked that answer......if you check the time you may understand i was tired and too buggered to type
too much in the way of a reply......
so it was very brief.....and may have easily been taken the wrong way by anyone......

even me....after i re-read when i was actually awake.....

i dont blame him for his response.......

[460cixy]

i shouldent have done my lolly too sorry about that.

[rick130]

thats the correct procedure for a proper flush.......a waste of fluid......but a proper flush.......


what do you you think of penrite PAS fluid......?
you know anything about this........or what it is......?

know nothing about the Penrite stuff as I haven't used any of their oils for about 15 years, but if it is formulated to meet the ACE spec (which is what the Caltex fluid is) use it and be happy.

Pedro and I discussed what, if anything could be substituted in the ACE system a while back as he can get Transmax Z and he's been using that in his ACE system and PAS and been very happy. I use Transmax Z in the Patrol and Landy.

PAS fluids are usually identical to ATF's in terms of viscosities and I believe base oils, they just leave out a few of the additives ATF's normally have and add a few friction modifiers to reduce the groan and squeal. I think they may cut corners a little and cheapen out on the base fluids sometimes, as the newer ATF's (Dex III on and newer Mercon's) really need to be semi-synthetic and good quality mineral oils to meet the anti-oxidation/life specs.

BTW, according to all my books and RAVE the system takes 3.8 litres, which I still find hard to believe, but that's why I use so much fluid in a flush. Anyway, it only happens once every couple of years, so isn't a big cost amortised over the time.

[DEFENDERZOOK]

i shouldent have done my lolly too sorry about that.



no stress buddy......no harm done.....


i actually found your reply amusing.....

[DEFENDERZOOK]

and rick......thanks for all your input......


i think i will give the penrite PAS oil a go.......i had a look on the perite site and that is also what they recommend as well......

and its also my choice of brands.....

[cucinadio]

no stress buddy......no harm done.....


i actually found your reply amusing.....

"aaaaauuuuuooooohhhhh you guys":BigThumb::TakeABow:

lol

cheers

[98-110]

the OE stuff is Caltex Cold Climate PAS14315 power steering fluid, which is a semi synthetic fluid and is very close to an ATF.

COMMENT: phoned Caltex re using MTF-94 (gearbox ATF) as a replacement PAS fluid on outback trips; to save carrying another ATF. Tech Helper hinted "yes" but wouldn't commit!!!

He did advise that both MTF-94 and PAS14315(above) are now 'de-listed'. It seems that Land Rover contracted with Caltex for batches of specific lubricants for specific applications in OE vehicles. Once the batches run out, that's it - find another product or buy a new Ford Landy.

QUESTIONS:

What is the 'ACE system'?
I'm looking at PAS because of the squealling noise coming from I guess the drive belt/PS pump bearing area. But if the bearing is lubricated with the PS fluid, it wouldn't be likely to fail (as per oil-lubed wheel bearings). Should mention that the noise happens when the steering is straight ahead, ie the PS is not actually being used, although the pump must be circulating the fluid around the system. Also, I couldn't feel any play at the pulley. So could the noise be coming from some other internal part in the PS pump?
Should PS fluid be changed every 2 years along with coolant, brake, clutch etc etc?

[JDNSW]

......
QUESTIONS:

What is the 'ACE system'?
I'm looking at PAS because of the squealling noise coming from I guess the drive belt/PS pump bearing area. But if the bearing is lubricated with the PS fluid, it wouldn't be likely to fail (as per oil-lubed wheel bearings). Should mention that the noise happens when the steering is straight ahead, ie the PS is not actually being used, although the pump must be circulating the fluid around the system. Also, I couldn't feel any play at the pulley. So could the noise be coming from some other internal part in the PS pump?
Should PS fluid be changed every 2 years along with coolant, brake, clutch etc etc?

1. ACE = Active Cornering Enhancement

2. Squealing from power steering is normally either the belt (slipping or misalignment) if fitted (gear driven pump on mine) or fluid setting up a vibration as it goes through a narrow passage (often a leaking internal seal) or caused by bubbles in the fluid, usually from a leaking suction line, often combined with a partly blocked suction line.

3. Probably, but it usually lives a lot easier life than any of the other three, so it is not as critical (unless you make a practice of overheating it by turning the steering when stationary, for example).

John

[rick130]

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3. Probably, but it usually lives a lot easier life than any of the other three, so it is not as critical (unless you make a practice of overheating it by turning the steering when stationary, for example).

John

heavy off road work, eg. rock crawling, can cook a PS fluid in no time flat, too.

[JDNSW]

heavy off road work, eg. rock crawling, can cook a PS fluid in no time flat, too.

Exactly - rapid turning of the wheel while almost or completely stationary! (my example was only one example of conditions that will cook it - there are probably a few others that you can think of as well - for example holding steering on full lock for a few minutes.)

John

[98-110]

Thanks John and Rick.

1. No need to search for ACE on my '97 Def?

2. There is some v. minor seepage from the outlet hose, so I'll start with the hoses and re-check the serpentine belt. If that doesn't fix it, then I guess the pump will need pulling apart.
Is this an LR specialist job or can it be done at home?

3. Before I bought the Def it was a city car that only ventured out of Melbourne once in 7 yrs on a trip through Omeo, so the power steering could have been well used. I'll change the fluid as suggested.

[NoodleNut]

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[mcrover]

The difference between Power steering fluid and ATF is..........Price.

If you want to use a Synth fluid then do so,

If you want to use Vegi oil, do so

If you want to use Mineral oil, do so.......

It is a simple Hydraulic pump and Hydrostatic box which would be happy with engine oil in it other than the lack of an anti foaming agent.

It isnt that much of a big deal as long as there is something that isnt acidic or abrasive in it then it wont do damage.

But to keep the piece, if you want to use penrite blah blah blah (ATF in a different bottle and twice the price) then do so, it's your money.

I just thought that someone may possibly benifit from knowing that there isnt a difference.

There is no mallace or disrespect intended with this post but if you still feel compelled to get ****ed with what I have written, read the sig....:D

[stevo]

I have used ATF in both ace and PAS in my disco for the last 120,000 km's with no problems change it every change it every 60,000 K's due to do it again at the end of the month hitting 200,000 K's so all oils are getting done.