Airbags - Polyair or Firestone?

[McDisco]

Hey All

I am gearing up for another Simpson/Flinders trip next year and am thinking of putting in some rear airbags to help with load carrying. I have a TD5 disco with coils all round and run HD Old Man Emu springs which have dealt with loads up until now (on a Tassie, then Fraser and a few Big Desert Trips) with only marginal amounts of sag. But with the Simmo I am going to be carrying more water, more diesel etc etc.

So, I am thinking either Polyairs or Firestone airbags and just wanted peoples advice and experiences with the two. My father had Polyairs on his GU patrol for a while but got rid of them cause they kept on leaking and I had heard that Firestone make airbags for trucks and may be a bit tougher.

Questions I have -
1. How do they compare for price?
2. How are they for reliability?
3. Are they easily fitted? either brand have any fiddly problems?
4. Anyone know of the best place for prices?

Cheers

Angus

[Graeme]

I bought Firestones from Truckspring in the US at around half the landed price as Polyairs. They don't cater for lifted Discos (which mine isnt, only HD springs) but the Polyair blocks can be purchased and used if req'd. I too bought them for a desert trip.

[McDisco]

Graeme

Easy to fit?! What sort of price are we talking?

I must say I prefer the firestones I think

Angus

[tedndoi]

I replaced my OE with Dunlop airbags from airbagman. check out his website.
Rgds.

[awabbit6]

I just fitted polyairs to my Disco. Haven't tried them yet, but we are heading off for a week tomorrow, so will give you some feedback when we return.

[weeds]

i have had no issues with my polyairs on my touring which has included the simpson, previous owner fitted them so i don't have a clue on price or diy fitting

[Graeme]

Graeme

Easy to fit?! What sort of price are we talking?

I must say I prefer the firestones I think

Angus
Hi Angus,

$169 in March this year.

Easy to fit, although 1 took a little while for the block (at the top) to push fully home/up. They don't come with bottom seats but I didn't like them sitting on the heads of the spring seat bolts, so cut some circles out of 6mm rubber matting and punched holes for the bolt heads.

[Hymie]

Hi Angus,

$169 in March this year.

Easy to fit, although 1 took a little while for the block (at the top) to push fully home/up. They don't come with bottom seats but I didn't like them sitting on the heads of the spring seat bolts, so cut some circles out of 6mm rubber matting and punched holes for the bolt heads.

More info on Trucksprings please.
Was that price inc. freight?

[Graeme]

Timbren, Hellwig Helper Springs, Bilstein Shocks, Firestone, Air Spring Kits, Mile Marker Winch (http://www.truckspring.com) is their website and pricing is there.

$169 was delivered price that took about 3 days once despatched. There was a delay at the time as there had been a redesign of the top of all the Firestone airbag inserts (Coilrites IIRC) and had to wait for the LR ones to be produced.

I put their web address and look what happened!

[Disco_owner]

G'day Mcdisco;

I have exactly the same set up on my 300tdi disco , old man Emu Suspension , Coil Spring all around with OME Dampers ( nitrochargers ) , and have fitted Poly Air Bags to aid with load carrying capacity.

1) whilst not sure how they compare with Firestone Airbags , If i remember correctly from Memory I paid around $370.00 for the 2 Air bags, Pedders suspenion in hornsby fitted the bags for $120.00 , infact they ordered it from Polyair and had em delivered & Fitted.

originally i bought a set from a mate who had a disco and the airbags that came off his disco weren't the right ones to fit my OME coils so i took my disco to pedders and they orderdered the right ones.


now if you decide to go for the polyair bags make sure they fit your specific OME coils , as you know there are different sizes of poly air bags...

2) in terms of reliability , I've not had any issues with them , I've done a few short trips Off-Road ( no desert trips yet ) and they performed well.
Never had one punctured and deflate etc .


My rear coils Springs are 100kg constant OME's, Prior to having poly air bags i had a shelf unit installed + Kaymar Rear Bar + ARB Roof Rack and all the Extra Load I was carrying , and the Rear-end of Disco was redicoulsy sagging , and I do carry quite a bit of Load , so once poly airs installed the vehicle is back to it's normal position before any load was placed on the vehicle etc , I run about 15psi-20 psi of preassure depending on the load etc.

3) easily fitted , IMO no. it was a fiddly job , the rubber plates didn't seem to fit into the top and bottm of the Coil Spring's brackets and some rubber had to be shaved off around the rubber mounts to get' em to sit in nice and level ....pedders had just the right tool for the job , i didn't , on top of that you have to fuly deflate the Air bags to place them inside the Coils ,and keep them deflated by placing the Hose of the infaltion nuzzle of the air bags and Block off the other end of it so they stay deflated , fit them inside the Coils and then once air bags completely installed , remove the blockage and inflate them back up and hope somehow this would straighten em out, it makes things so much easier if you access to a Hoist , I had a really sore back at the end of it.

4) As for Best Prices Pedders organised the Polyair bags and they were quoted the same Price that Poly Air Quoted me.




Polyair Springs
Princes Hwy (cnr Railway Rd) Sydenham 2044(02) 9519 9774www.polyair.com.au


all the best Mcdisco , let us know how it all pans out for you...

[Graeme]

The Firestones have a max pressure of 35psi, which I recall is a fair bit more than the Polyairs, so should have more load carrying ability.

I found it easiest to remove the coil, place the bag inside then refit the coil rather than follow the instructions of pushing the bag through the side of the coil.

[Disco_owner]

The Firestones have a max pressure of 35psi, which I recall is a fair bit more than the Polyairs, so should have more load carrying ability.

I found it easiest to remove the coil, place the bag inside then refit the coil rather than follow the instructions of pushing the bag through the side of the coil.


that's how I fitted the airbags orginally , removed the coils with Spring compressors and fitted the bags inside whilst deflated inside springs and refitted the coils and reinflated the bags.

[TheLowRanger]

I have a D1 which I fitted Polyairs to about 5 months ago before we headed north. I haven't had any problems with them so far, and am happy with the difference that they make. I have LPG fitted in place of the OE fuel tank plus another 35L fuel tank behind the RH quarter, plus always have a full load of tools and recovery gear. With Lovells HD coils on the rear I only run 5psi normally (minimum recommended pressure) but with a full load and the caravan on the back I inflate to 30psi (maximum recommended pressure) and she sits about level. I have travelled sections of the Gibb River Road (including towing the van) and have been very satisfied with how it all has been going. I also find that with 5psi it doesn't seem to hinder my articulation when unladen. I think RRP for the Polyairs is $385 but I paid trade price at $290. Fitting wasn't too hard, and as mentioned it is easier to fit them with the coils out. Give them a squirt of some kind of lubricating spray and you will find that they slip into the springs without too much dramas. The only problem I originally had was that the top mounting block was just a little too large in diameter to push through the top spring mount, but once you replace the springs and drop the vehicle down, the weight of the car pushed them home.

[CraigE]

Either will be good as they are basically the same. I finished fitting poly airs yesterday. Easy job if you know how to remove springs and drill a couple of holes.

[Michael2]

If you go to Repco, they can order Polyairs for you. They also have a scheme where they give you a 20% discount voucher when you subscribe to their online catalogue or something like that. So it would be worth getting that for such a pricey purchase. Business size cards with the discount info are usually on the front counter of the store.

Otherwise Polyairs did really well on a Defender Tray with over 1,000kg across the Simpson last year.

[McDisco]

Thanks all for your replies. I think I will go for the Firestones mainly due to price and I have head good things about them.

Cheers

Angus

[Bigbjorn]

I bought a Firestone Coil-rite kit from Michigan Truckspring, Timbren, Hellwig Helper Springs, Bilstein Shocks, Firestone, Air Spring Kits, Mile Marker Winch (http://www.truckspring.com), by internet & Visa Card. cost me US$129.14 A$157.12, including air-mail, on 6/6/07. Cheapest quote from a local supplier was $284. No wonder we get a bit cynical from time to time. I paid full retail plus air-mail for not much more than 1/2 what the local supplier, who presumably buys wholesale and ships cheaply by the container, wanted to charge.

[McDisco]

Yeah its a bit of a steal sometime huh! I have ordered a few things from the states and saved a bundle!

I think I will go through this site for the airbags.

Angus

[rick130]

I bought a Firestone Coil-rite kit from Michigan Truckspring, Timbren, Hellwig Helper Springs, Bilstein Shocks, Firestone, Air Spring Kits, Mile Marker Winch (http://www.truckspring.com), by internet & Visa Card. cost me US$129.14 A$157.12, including air-mail, on 6/6/07. Cheapest quote from a local supplier was $284. No wonder we get a bit cynical from time to time. I paid full retail plus air-mail for not much more than 1/2 what the local supplier, who presumably buys wholesale and ships cheaply by the container, wanted to charge.


Brian, whenever I've gone there the Firestone springs are only suitable for the rear of a 90 (or Disco or RRC) and they have the Airlift springs for the rear of a 110 which look suspiciously like the Aussie PolyAirs.

Anyone have any insight ?

[Lucy]

I bought Firestone airbags for my D2 from Michigan Truckspring 3 weeks ago, ordered on a monday, arrived the following monday, $152 Australian.

Started on the left side, took the wheel off, and used spring compressors to remove spring etc, 25 minutes work. On the right side I just jacked the chassis up to open the spring, jammed the bag through the coils - easy as - 5 minutes! The whole exercise took about an hour including the drive to Bunnings to buy a drill bit in the right size. Just made the holes a little bigger on either side of the out riggers behind the bumper to fit the inflation points (so no new holes). The only thing not in the kit was something to protect the bottom of the airbag from the bolt heads holding the lower spring seat to the axle casing. Cut up one of the wife's nylon chopping boards and used silicon windscreen sealer to hold in place - no worries.

[Bigbjorn]

Brian, whenever I've gone there the Firestone springs are only suitable for the rear of a 90 (or Disco or RRC) and they have the Airlift springs for the rear of a 110 which look suspiciously like the Aussie PolyAirs.

Anyone have any insight ?

They list them for Defenders. I have a County which has the same coil spring inside diameter.

[rick130]

They list them for Defenders. I have a County which has the same coil spring inside diameter.


but are yours Firestone bags or Air Lift bags ?
They only list Air Lift (red) bags for 110/Defender and Firestone (blue) for 90, Disco, etc.

[incisor]

Air Lift 1000 Kit - Rear

SKU61741

$103.34 US

is the ones they are showing for the 110 when i look..

[Bigbjorn]

but are yours Firestone bags or Air Lift bags ?
They only list Air Lift (red) bags for 110/Defender and Firestone (blue) for 90, Disco, etc.

Firestone Coil-rite blue bags.

[Diff]

Could you but the red bags listed for a defender into a D1?

[Grizzly_Adams]

They list them for Defenders. I have a County which has the same coil spring inside diameter.

They list them for Defender 90's

It's for this reason I did not proceed further down this path (though the information was appreciated). Didn't want to give my insurance company an excuse for not paying if something went wrong.

The didn't sell the Defender 110's in the US - only the NAS Spec 90's. Hence their equipment is certified for use in 90's only - which would have a considerably different load rating etc. than the 110's I reckon.

[dhard]

my disco had poly bags on when i bought it not sure when they were fitted but took one out after getting it staked when i was in the bush. Meant to replace but never got round to it . Now some two years later the other one is completely perished so i have doubts about how long they last. I would reccomend speaking to someone like the airbag man to get an idea on what is going will last longer. I'd rather pay slightly more for something that is going to last the distance. Has anyone else had any issues with them or is it just my misfortune.

[isuzu110]

"The didn't sell the Defender 110's in the US "

err- actually, they did, but limited volume (536 units imported in 1993). Known as the NAS 110 and quite rare.

[Grizzly_Adams]

I stand corrected :cool:

However only just :D

[Bigbjorn]

They list them for Defender 90's

It's for this reason I did not proceed further down this path (though the information was appreciated). Didn't want to give my insurance company an excuse for not paying if something went wrong.

The didn't sell the Defender 110's in the US - only the NAS Spec 90's. Hence their equipment is certified for use in 90's only - which would have a considerably different load rating etc. than the 110's I reckon.

Glen, they fit and work perfectly in the County. You can have a look at them any time convenient. I have had a full load in the back of around 700kgs, and a trailer on behind same time with about another500kgs. of cargo

[incisor]

They list them for Defender 90's
the ones i list above are for the rear of a 110 according to truckspring.com

[rick130]

the ones i list above are for the rear of a 110 according to truckspring.com

hence my Q to Brian re which brand he bought.

[Grizzly_Adams]

Hiya Inc.,

Having a look at truckspring.com for the SKU you mentioned leads me to this page: 61741 Air Lift 1000 Air Spring Kit for Coil Spring Suspensions (http://www.truckspring.com/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=61741)

I can't see any reference to a 110 on that page (though admittedly I haven't searched any further either). However it does say down the bottom:

MakeModelStart YearEnd YearAdditional InfoLand RoverDefender19941997(USA Only)
But as we've already established no 110's were sold in the US during that time, only in 1993 we believe... indeed, if you follow it through to the airspring site Air Lift Company (http://www.airliftcompany.com/al1000.html) and try to select by vehicle they only have the Defender 90's listed... so I'm still not convinced.

Brian I'm sure they work well, as do many other products. However if they don't have the right stamps etc. in Australia you and I both know that an insurance company can use that as a perfect excuse not to cover you in case of a claim.

If you've got Fully Comprehensive insurance (and I'm not saying we all do) then until they release a version for the 110 I would be more inclined to save my money and get the PolyAirs - simply because it could save you big bucks in the long run :(

[RoverOne]

Not sure about Firestones only recently aware they made airbags.

Have had Poly Air in '76 Range Rover fitted back in the 80"s after load leveler failed and are still in the vehicle and went all over Australia.

Now in Defender and just performing as well when required. The only dicky thing about the Defender fittment is you have to weld a flat piece of steel across the top of spring holder to stop popping out the top, the plate is supplied.

Other than that easy to fit just drop out the rear springs, shove in block if lifted, put in air bag etc etc.

BTW cost $340 from Heasman at Sydenham...Sydney.

Fitted only to carry big load of fuel to cross Madigans Line in the Simpson, & as it turned out didn't require half the fuel I carried.

[Rosco]

The only dicky thing about the Defender fittment is you have to weld a flat piece of steel across the top of spring holder to stop popping out the top, the plate is supplied.



I fitted some to a County yonks ago and rather than welding, I drilled a hole in each corner for about an 8mm bolt, from memory. I removed the spring, clamped the plate in place and drilled up from underneath through both. Worked quite well, but in those early days the bags and the airlines both used to fail. I believe those issues have both been fixed now.

I'm about to install a set in the new year in preparation for a Hay River run next winter.

[incisor]

defender 90 = Vehicle Search (http://www.truckspring.com/VSearchResults2.aspx?cID=741)
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2007/12/162.jpg

defender 110 = Vehicle Search (http://www.truckspring.com/VSearchResults2.aspx?cID=740&pt=179&fv=584)
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2007/12/163.jpg

discovery 1 = Vehicle Search (http://www.truckspring.com/VSearchResults2.aspx?cID=741)
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2007/12/162.jpg

all are rear of 1995 vehicles

defender 90's have same rear spring as disco 1 which is a different sku to what i believe is the 110 sku .

and yes i too would like to see a set in my hot little hands before i say 100% but from what i see they are 99% the real deal.

was dam sure someone on here got them and was happy as, but dammed if i can remember who it was, bloody lack of memory is giving me the irits......

[Grizzly_Adams]

Sorry Inc. still can't see 110 mentioned anywhere on the site - even following your URL.

The only difference is in the "Additional Info" section and I believe it's more to do with the different manufacturers - the blue ones are firestone (Defender 90 Only) and the red ones are air lift (USA Only).

As I said before if you follow through to the manufacturers site they don't specify a Defender 110 as a suitable application, so I don't see how truckspring could anyway....

[Grizzly_Adams]

was dam sure someone on here got them and was happy as, but dammed if i can remember who it was, bloody lack of memory is giving me the irits......

I know Brian Heljm has a set of the firestones in the back of his County and he is very happy with them.. does that ring any bells?

[fatnold]

will fitting air bags reduce rear wheel articulation???
Also, I have the G-Force hydro swaybars on the disco, will air bags upset this??? (my guess is no).
I currently run standard length springs (i think) with a 2" body lift, will the firestone airbags work in longer springs if i should decide to do a 2" spring lift????

oh....thanks in advance for any advice. :)

[Zute]

I have polyairs and I too am thinking of fitting new lifted springs ( 40-50mm lift) Now if I only fit front springs, can the OE and air bags cope with lifting the rear to match ? Any thoughts ? over load bags, make it unstable ? anyone else done this ? I can see if a bag lets go it will really drop that corner.

[incisor]

i believe the bags are the same but you add a spacer to get the increased height... i know the airbag man sells or did sell them for the firestone bags...

[camel_landy]

Resident party pooper here... :p

Silly question but... Have you thought about not carrying quite so much gear instead???

M

[ozscott]

A while back Firestone had a problem where they had to stop using the glue they were using (same design as the Polyair) and when they changed glue they had some failures (where the valve is) and more recently they changed the design completely and it looks good. My brother sells and fits both, but recommends the new firestone.

Cheers

[McDisco]

Resident party pooper here... :p

Silly question but... Have you thought about not carrying quite so much gear instead???

M

I dont actually carry that much gear, but on a Simmo trip you carry more fuel and water than normal. I could run the car without the bags without major sagging, but the bag will just help with the comfort and reduce the bouncing...

Angus

[procrastination inc]

how do air bags stop bouncing?

Maybe stop you bottoming out on the bump stops

[camel_landy]

I dont actually carry that much gear, but on a Simmo trip you carry more fuel and water than normal. I could run the car without the bags without major sagging, but the bag will just help with the comfort and reduce the bouncing...

Angus

Cool... :cool:

I don't want to sound like someone teaching their grandmother to suck eggs but a lot of people are not aware that all vehicles have weight limits. The springs are designed to absorb movement but if they can't or are made too stiff then the forces end up being absorbed by components not designed for it like the chassis, etc...

The airbags will transmit more load into the chassis through the mountings (same goes for stiffer springs) and I'm fairly sure that there's enough tolerance to be able to take it. However, be careful coz you may not know that you've overdone it until it's too late.

Excessive weight is probably your vehicles biggest enemy when it comes to mechanical failures, etc...

/SOAPBOX OFF :angel:

M

[Zute]

Well the thing with having helper airbags is you can have soft springs for better articulation with an empty truck and add air when you need to carry that occasional heavy load.:cool:

[4wd4fun]

I bought Firestone airbags for my D2 from Michigan Truckspring 3 weeks ago, ordered on a monday, arrived the following monday, $152 Australian.

Started on the left side, took the wheel off, and used spring compressors to remove spring etc, 25 minutes work. On the right side I just jacked the chassis up to open the spring, jammed the bag through the coils - easy as - 5 minutes! The whole exercise took about an hour including the drive to Bunnings to buy a drill bit in the right size. Just made the holes a little bigger on either side of the out riggers behind the bumper to fit the inflation points (so no new holes). The only thing not in the kit was something to protect the bottom of the airbag from the bolt heads holding the lower spring seat to the axle casing. Cut up one of the wife's nylon chopping boards and used silicon windscreen sealer to hold in place - no worries.

Hi Lucy, when your ordered from the states did you have to advise customes or pay any tarrif, or is it a staright order and delivery by post.
Cheers Allan

[Lucy]

Straight order over the net, arrived by post. No tarriff/customs problem as under the threshold (which I think is $1000 in value). The whole transaction was easy as. May be a bit dearer at the moment though, with current exchange rates. No problems with the bags either, makes towing our Jayco camper trailer much more comfortable.

[Snapper]

how do air bags stop bouncing?

Maybe stop you bottoming out on the bump stops

I have fitted Firestone Air Bags to my 110

I carry 500lts of water in the back and tow a trailer with 200kg ball weight. With the bags pumped up to 30psi the vehicle is as solid as a rock and does not bounce at all.

[McDisco]

Straight order over the net, arrived by post. No tarriff/customs problem as under the threshold (which I think is $1000 in value). The whole transaction was easy as. May be a bit dearer at the moment though, with current exchange rates. No problems with the bags either, makes towing our Jayco camper trailer much more comfortable.

And they are still cheaper than buying polyairs in Australia. Seriously, the money you pay for polyairs in Oz is ridiculous for what they are!

I am very happy with my firestone bags.

Angus

[Leo109]

Brian, whenever I've gone there the Firestone springs are only suitable for the rear of a 90 (or Disco or RRC) and they have the Airlift springs for the rear of a 110 which look suspiciously like the Aussie PolyAirs.


Anyone have any insight ?
Hi Rick et al,

Not sure if this is what you're asking Rick but... we've had a set of AirLifts in the rear of our '97 Disco since mid-2002. Bought them from my favourite UK supplier, delivered to my door for a lot less than the local PolyAir price. AirLift is the only brand they offer for all model LRs. Ours did 80,000 km in our original rear springs, then another 90,000 km in our Lovells HD springs. Maybe half that with caravan in tow + Cape York + Simpson + a year in central Oz + +.

They gave up the ghost just a month or so back (crack near the RH inlet nipple). I've just ordered a new set. Unfortunately I didn't think to check US prices first so I'm paying a bit more than the Trucksprings price (mostly the UK freight charges). But still a long way under the local RRP (Recommended Rip-off Price) for PolyAirs. And besides, I think the Pommie economy needs our support more than the Yanks...

In the original (rather sagging) springs we ran them at up to 25psi towing. After fitting the Lovells HDs we run them at the minimum 5psi when not towing, even with our semi-permanent 200 - 300 kg load in the rear. Maybe 7 - 8 psi when towing with 200-220 kg ball load (but with a properly set-up H-R weight distribution hitch).

Ian

PS: Dont' seem to have restricted rear articulation too much:

[rick130]

Thanks Ian.
I also found the part # that are used for Nissan Patrol rears (same ID as 110/130 rears ) and IIRC they were a touch longer than the Land Rover ones too.
I'm actually leaning towards complete bags on the rear.
John/Bush65 has done some homework and sussed out the specs from Firestone via Truckspring.
Damned cheap for what they are.

You can install a solenoid valve between the bags and open it off road so that it helps articulation. ie., when one spring is compressed it will help extend the opposite bag. ;)

[rick130]

Air bag thread on Outerlimits Rover board.

Outer Limits 4x4 Board :: View topic - anyone running airbags in their rover? (http://outerlimits4x4.com/ftopic160378.php&sid=49d3af3a2eea432791c8c894d9c0f999)

[Red90]

A little resurrection.

The Airlift kit for a 110 is 61724. I verified this with Airlift as the information available is quite suspect. As far as I can tell, it is exactly what Polyair sells for three times the price. I'm guessing Polyair just rebrands them....

Also noticed this place in South Africa that supplies them with a better designed upper retainer that appears to be locally produced.
http://www.airsprings.cc/4x4/Airlift/AL1000/LAN01.MN285.738.pdf
http://www.airsuspension.co.za/images/GR.LR%20Helper%20Kits.pdf

[DiscoMick]

Thanks for that.
I notice they supply an airbag for the front of a 110. Can you fit an airbag in the front? Is that safe? Does it have any benefits? Would that be a viable alternative to fitting HD springs in the front? Interesting...

[weeds]

Thanks for that.
I notice they supply an airbag for the front of a 110. Can you fit an airbag in the front? Is that safe? Does it have any benefits? Would that be a viable alternative to fitting HD springs in the front? Interesting...


Are they talking air that replaces the coil spring?

The other point is the shock runs up the middle of the coil spring so it has to be relocated.........I have a gut feeling the shock mounts that are fitted to classic rangie that has factory air bags can be adapted to fit a defender.

The air bag man has brackets to hold the shocks for the airbag replacement of the springs on the front of a defender.

[kelvo]

Are they talking air that replaces the coil spring?

The other point is the shock runs up the middle of the coil spring so it has to be relocated.........I have a gut feeling the shock mounts that are fitted to classic rangie that has factory air bags can be adapted to fit a defender.

The air bag man has brackets to hold the shocks for the airbag replacement of the springs on the front of a defender.
You keep the front springs. The kit comes with a new shock turret that relocates shock outside of the spring.

[DoubleChevron]

Timbren, Hellwig Helper Springs, Bilstein Shocks, Firestone, Air Spring Kits, Mile Marker Winch (http://www.truckspring.com) is their website and pricing is there.

$169 was delivered price that took about 3 days once despatched. There was a delay at the time as there had been a redesign of the top of all the Firestone airbag inserts (Coilrites IIRC) and had to wait for the LR ones to be produced.

I put their web address and look what happened!

Fast forward ELEVEN YEARS !!! And you just saved me a ****load with this post (jumps up in the search when you search for polyair)... $250aud with paypal screwing you over on the conversion rate from truckstop.com .... A $100 saving on buying from local ebay sellers.

seeya,
Shane L.

[vnx205]

Several years ago I bought Firestone bags from Michigan Truck Springs for about half the price they were locally.

They did a great job of keeping the Defender level when I had the camper on the back. Unfortunately a few years later the air line was ripped out of one, I think caused by running over a stick. That apparently damaged the fitting in the top of the bag because after that I had a slow leak. Trimming the end of the hose and refitting it didn't solve the problem.

I contacted MTS again to get a replacement bag, but they no longer offer the right bag for the 110. They have one that fits the 90.

Because I was so pleased with how they performed (before I damaged the fitting), I decide to order from Australia, but couldn't get a single bag and had to buy the complete kit.

It was much more expensive, but it seemed to be the only way to get set up again.

[DoubleChevron]

Several years ago I bought Firestone bags from Michigan Truck Springs for about half the price they were locally.

They did a great job of keeping the Defender level when I had the camper on the back. Unfortunately a few years later the air line was ripped out of one, I think caused by running over a stick. That apparently damaged the fitting in the top of the bag because after that I had a slow leak. Trimming the end of the hose and refitting it didn't solve the problem.

I contacted MTS again to get a replacement bag, but they no longer offer the right bag for the 110. They have one that fits the 90.

Because I was so pleased with how they performed (before I damaged the fitting), I decide to order from Australia, but couldn't get a single bag and had to buy the complete kit.

It was much more expensive, but it seemed to be the only way to get set up again.

If I stake them .... Well that is just life. I fitted new tyres last year and chopped the sidewall out of one of them a month ago (that's nothing compared to putting it on its side a week later .......... Then two weeks after that a drunk cleaned me up at an interesection).

So now I'm rebuilding the ****box rangie ... and figured I wanted some polyairs for towing so would fit them while its in a million and one bits

seeya,
Shane L.