Australian Army 101's and pre production vehicles

[Phoenix]

I've a flat out day, so I thought i'd post this information that I just got via e-mail to see what we can decypler and make of it!!

Initial info I recieved about aus 101's



G'day Richard,
Having recently moved address I have now got my computer back on line and
able to review your original mail to the club forum, also the REMLR website.
As there are a number of inaccuracies, I have replied with the info' we know
in the club to hopefully correct them.

In your original mail your were enquiring whether BAC supplied the Rapier
missile system to other recipients and how many they received? Land-Rover
production ledgers show BAC, Stevenage, took delivery of 38 959 Series 12V
LHD Export G/S vehicles - 6 in gloss bronze green finish and 32 in light
matt stone finish also 58 962 Series 24V RHD Export G/S vehicles - 8 in
gloss bronze green finish and 50 in olive drab semi gloss finish and finally
40 964 Series 24V LHD Export vehicles - 2 in gloss bronze green and 38 in
light matt stone finish. So in total BAC had 38 12V and 98 24V vehicles from
Land-Rover and supplied these fitted with Beeswing, Blowfire and Rapier
missile systems, etc.

As BAC, Marshalls of Cambridge and Pilcher Greene did not keep an archive of
the vehicles they used or converted, we have found it difficult to get
precise information on the vehicles. The database we started has helped a
lot but is only as good as the info' we can glean. With the 962 Series, 34
vehicles, 96200001A - 96200034A, in gloss bronze green finish were
dispatched to the Crown Agents Brunei! These were followed by 30 vehicles,
96200035A - 96200064A, in olive drab semi gloss, then 8 vehicles,
96200065A - 96200072A, in gloss bronze green and a final batch of 20
vehicles, 96200073A - 96200092A, again in olive drab semi gloss were all
delivered to BAC from 14/09/1977 to 09/08/1978! We were led to believe the
BAC olive drab vehicles were originally used in Turkey by the USAF and RAF
on peace keeping duties, also the 8 bronze green vehicles served with the
RAF on 6 Wing, by people who worked at BAC?? However since then, one of the
gloss bronze green vehicles, 96200065A, was found in the British Army
wearing the VRN 03KA69 and is now in Kenya also, due to Rod Genn supplying
chassis numbers, we learnt the 2 batches of olive drab vehicles served with
the Australian Army as 50 Rapier launch vehicles. We are unable to find any
other vehicles that would have been likely to serve with the Australian Army
in this or other role, even though Rod and John Cummins are adamant there
were more!

Incidentally, all Rapier lanching vehicles (FUT's) were 24V! The British
Army used the Blindfire radar rapier guidance system and also had 12V
vehicles (TRT's), fitted with Rapier storage racks in the rear, for towing
the radar tracking or missile reload trailers!

The REMLR website quoted 2669 vehicles built from 1972 to 1978. This isn't
true, as 3 vehicles (95600983A, 95900055A & 95900411A) weren't built also 1
vehicle (96400395A) caught fire at the factory and was written off. So the
true total built was 2665 between 1972 and 1978!!

The question of prototypes and pre-production is even more confusing, as
there are few surviving records and Land-Rover were being starved of money
by British Leyland, so Norman Busby, the Project Engineer, had
to fiddle things to get the design tested and completed. Luckily Norman
saved some items, which formed the basis of the club archive, when he
helped start the club in 1988 but unfortunately he died in 2005 so we can no
longer count on his knowledge. However his info', together with archive
photos, allowed us to piece together how the design evolved prior to the
start of the 1972 production ledgers. The Land-Rover prototype, 101/1, build
started at the beginning of February 1968 and finished in mid May 1968,
followed by 5 others, 101/2 VRN 01SP13, 101/3 VRN 01SP14, 101/4 VRN 01SP15,
101/5 VRN 01SP16 and 101/6 VRN 01SP17, for an MVEE contract! All these
vehicles were RHD with 3 litre 6 cylinder engines. Finally in phase 1, a 7th
prototype 101/7 was built for Rover Australia with a 3.6 litre Ford Falcon
engine and completed in December 1968. This was followed in 1969 with the V8
prototype, 101-FC-8, which also had an improved cab and was given the VRN
HXC805H, also 101/1 was rebuilt with a V8 engine and improved cab. The
design continued evolving by rebuiding and testing 101/1 and HXC805H, which
became 101-FC-8a, then finally 101-FC-8b, similar to a pre-production
vehicle. The final true prototype, 101-FC-8c, VRN VXC754K was built in
August 1971 and was basically a pre-production vehicle!

The total number of prototypes were 6 snub nosed 6 pots + 1 snub nosed
Falcon powered + HXC805H + VXC754K = 9 vehicles!

The pre-production vehicle build started 24/02/1972 with the completion of
96400001A, VRN BXC676L for the Engineering Dept. A total of 37 vehicles were
built, 25 for the MVEE to assess with various military units and 12 for
Norman to test/fine tune the design. All of them had subtle differences,
with the last few becoming closer to a production version and, as they
weren't built in chassis number order, the final 37th pre-production vehicle
96400007A, JWK748N, was completed for Government Sales (Norman) on
13/04/1973.

Officially prodution commenced on 25/11/1975 with the completion of 4
vehicles, 95600021A - 24A, for the 1975 Joint Services Expedition! The last
of the 2628 production vehicles, 96400467A, was completed on 14/06/1978 for
B.L., Germany.

As far as we know, there were no CKD versions of the 101FC built!

Finally, I was intrigued by your website photos, some of which I haven't
seen before. I suspect (1) shows 96400001A with a powered trailer, but I
have seen this VRN, BXC676K, on other vehicles.Photo (2) shows 101/2, VRN
01SP13, with its LH petrol tank! Photo (3) shows the 1st prototype, 101/1,
with its RH petrol tank and circular bridge plate on the front bumper! Photo
(4) shows the front of 101/1 with the bridge plate! Photo (5) is, I suspect,
101/2 with LH tank? Photo (6) is, I suspect, 101/1 with RH tank?

Hope this hasn't bored you to tears.

Regards, Les Adams.



G'day Richard,

Thanks for your reply.

I know Rod Genn tried to get info' from the Army Museum, also made a visit
to Canberra and mentioned a guy called Mike Cecil, but was told all the
relevant info' was held on computer, which was wiped out when the vehicles
were cast. If you're able to obtain auction details any vehicles not in the
two batches 96200035A - 96200064A and 96200073A -96200092A would be extra to
what we know, but we have been given plenty of vehicle chassis numbers that
weren't in the Austrlian Army, including 2 pre-production vehicles,
96100002A and 96100010A. However 96100010A, owned by the camel breeder Noel
Fullerton, has been aquired and returned to the UK by a club member!

I'm sorry to admit I made a mistake in the info' I sent with regard to the
start of production vehicles. The 1st four prodution vehicles were completed
on the 25/11/1974 not 1975, as I quoted, and were the only 101's actually
built in 1974, even though 101 production is normally expressed as
1975-1978!

With regard to the photos, I have seen the Land-Rover 8807/1 to 8807/5
photos showing prototype gearboxes and 8807/6 to 8807/24 showing prototype
vehicles. However I hadn't realised there were more photos in the 8807 group
of pictures. Incidentally if you expand the 4th photo showing the front of
101/1, at the foot of the REMLR website, you can just make out 101FC 1 on
the circular label in the windscreen; its not a road tax licence but a
Land-Rover label system used to identify their prototypes!

Finally, I have attached a photo of 101/1 as it finished up, in Solihull,
with the improved transitional cab, Salisbury axles, V8 engine, altered
front wheel arches and front bumper moved forward for the Terra tyres to do
the Malaysian trial. Also a photo of 101/7, the Rover Australia prototype,
and the pre-production vehicle list in order of build.

Regards, Les Adams.

[Phoenix]

Finalised numbers


Hi Richard, Solved the problem concerning the number of 101s sent to Aust,
I have spoken to an ex REAME supervisor who informs me that there were in fact a greater number of 101s bought by the army than I was lead to believe. The 50 odd number he informs, is correct.
Where we have come unstuck is that 16 Air Defence Regt' were certainly the only unit to use the 101s and at any one time they had at least 28 operational vehicles on strength. As my original source of info came from the regiment CO, he obviously referred to this smaller number. In fact these vehicles were rotated through Moorebank workshops in a continuous and ongoing fashion and although 16 ADR used a given number at any one time, the vehicles themselves were changed out against the pool.
So it there you are!!!
The fellow who clarified this used to oversee the rotation and repair schedule on all aspects of "Rapier" so I have no doubt about his knowledge on the subject. cheers Dave.

[Phoenix]

and this e-mail this morning.


Hi Richard, I own the Australian pre production 101 with the trailer drive and trailer chassis no 10. Do you have any info on it?

Regards, Nick

[LR V8]

wow !!

You'd have to sit down with pen and paper to sort through all that.

I would mostly concur with the ex-RAEME guy's take on the numbers (50+). However, a 50% ratio between vehicles held on unit charge and the repair pool is a tad high.

If vehicle stocks were held in similar fashion to other fleets, then it was likely that the 28 held on unit charge were its 'peace time' holdings. Moorebank would have held a % for 'wartime' holdings (enough for an additional rappier squadron or troop ?) and then a % for repair pool.

It's also likely that at least one would have been held at the Army proving grounds at Monegetta.

Good info :)

Pete

[Lotz-A-Landies]

This is all very fascinating about the 101's

Just a question on the powered trailer issue.

Has anyone seen a Scottorn Bushmaster powered trailer in Australia in recent years?

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2007/12/195.jpg
From LR FAQ site (http://www.lrfaq.org/FC/FAQ.FC.powertrailer.html) although from memory the one in question had 5 stud LR PCD rims.

As kid there was one that came out in combination with a Rover Factory prototype 1 Ton vehicle. Years later I saw the Land Rover in Alice springs without the trailer and the owners had no idea about the whereabouts of the trailer. In fact they didn't know the vehicle was a prototype and they thought the powered trailer coupling was only a regular PTO.

Would love to track down the vehicle and or it's trailer again.

Diana

[Phoenix]

Thre was one on e-bay a couple of times of which pictures can be seen on a couple of australian websites Land Rover Army Forward Control 101 Prototype (http://www.4wdonline.com/Mil/LandRover/FC101/prototype.html)

however it hasn't been spotted for some time. this one that has popped up may well be it!

[Dinty]

G'day All, A proto-type 101 was sold in Victoria about 2 years back (maybe more) with a Rubery Owen powered trailer, from my recollections it went to FNQ (Cairns??) also a Series 2A Lightweight was purchased by the same buyer so my sources told me at the time cheers Dennis:wasntme:

[UncleHo]

G'day Phoenix :)

There was at one stage a 101 & powered trailer,in use with a WA outback touring firm the Rover had been replaced with a 350 Chev, there was a feature in one of the Aust 4x4 mags 1986+ from memory definately before 92 (when I put Aggie on the road), it was then put up for sale in Just 4x4's @ 100K:eek: still with the Chev motor, lost track of it after that, the FNQld buyer could be Sid Beck (he has a museum in Marreba Qld) has aircraft as well, used to be open to the public, there was also one of the Army 101's a GS from Memory lost down a cave hole in WA in the early 80's and left there,:( was on an exercise I think somebody ex AFD or RAEME would remember, they salvaged the missiles and left the truck. from memory there were 52 vehicles, some were also at the school of Artillery at North Head in Sydney at some time as 25 pounder tractors.

cheers

[bobslandies]

John Ayre of ULR Motors owned the prototype with the Falcon engine. Someone should buttonhole him at Cooma for some details of it when original for REMLR - he's one of the Guest speakers.
I think there were 13 101s at the School of Artillery, North Head. During that time I lived near Manly and often used to see them STRANDED by the roadside.:(:( Probably Lucas electrics.:mad::mad: Are 24V Lucas electrics twice as unreliable as 12v? My father was a supplier to the School and I weaseled a run in one once and immediately thought - 5 or 6 litre transplant, 3.54 ratio diff change! camper body mods.:D:D:D I am sure I saw them with Rapier Launchers and from memory they did training at Jervis Bay. Great sight in a convoy through Manly.
Bob

[Phoenix]

Sounds about right.

I spoke to a bloke a week or so ago who also has an aus 101 and a mate with a 101 ambulance (both down in Hobart) and he said that he took photos of the aus prototype (It was converted to a camper bus thingo) when he saw it last. I believe he will be appearing on the forums here soon ;)

[Slugbait]

Well, as I'm getting ready for Cooma. I have the need to pull out my 101 manuals and the papers concerning this vehicle.

I'm lucky as I have the service logs the pre disposal report and the Vehicle Identification Sheet.

So I thought I should put this info up for public consumption.

Serial No: 96100050A
Original Engine Number: 96100169 (a new engine was dropped in around 2001)
DSN / Designations 2320-66-098-2412
ARN 29-170
1 Tonne Land Rover FUV
Unit: 110 BTY
Address: IC AD REGT Woodside
Date introduced into Service: 22 Nov 77
Distance Traveled: 16021 Km
Inital Service 4825Km MSU or MSV (can't quite tell) Broadmeadows 26 Jun 79

Cheers

[Phoenix]

THanks for that, I'll add it to REMLR :thumbsup:

Now you really do need to get your REMLR application in. Another rego in the 101 list is nice. I hope we can get them all in time as there are so few of them.

[ellard]

Hi there


Has anyone seen a Scottorn Bushmaster powered trailer in Australia in recent years?



I am sorry for not speaking up earlier - but its the first time I have visited this section:

but YES - and it was sold to a UK buyer - I personally seen the vehicle as it was owned by "Noel Fullerton" of Quorn SA . He has now retired but he used the vehcile in the NT as he ran camel tours (it was painted in black & white stripes)

It was strange as I was speaking with Noel last weekend, he is one of those guys whom kept me captivated for hours with his discussions and pictures.

I know the drill I will get pictures.......................................... ..............ASAP

Just for interest sakes he is now restoring a forward control Jeep (van type body). This vehicle is a unique machine with fibre glass roof top with opening observation in terrets in the roof - he claims it was a military machine.

Well all the best

Wayne

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Hi there ...
... but YES - and it was sold to a UK buyer - I personally seen the vehicle as it was owned by "Noel Fullerton" of Quorn SA . He has now retired but he used the vehcile in the NT as he ran camel tours (it was painted in black & white stripes)

It was strange as I was speaking with Noel last weekend, he is one of those guys whom kept me captivated for hours with his discussions and pictures.

I know the drill I will get pictures.......................................... ..............ASAP

Just for interest sakes he is now restoring a forward control Jeep (van type body). This vehicle is a unique machine with fibre glass roof top with opening observation in terrets in the roof - he claims it was a military machine.

Well all the best

Wayne

Wayne

Your comment about the Scottorn Bushmaster powered trailer and mentioning the vehicle.

Is that the 1 ton normal control Land Rover or a 101 that you were talking about?

The reason I asked, is yes I did see the vehicle of my interest in Alice Springs in 1982, but the owners didn't know about the trailer. Very spooky!

Diana

[ellard]

Hi there Diana

I am fairly sure it was a 101 - but will get pictures/scan and post.

I spoke with Noel - and will call in and see him on Sunday (with laptop & scanner) - but this is the vehicle I had seen at my place but painted in black and white stripes pattern : Land Rover Army Forward Control 101 Prototype (http://www.4wdonline.com/Mil/LandRover/FC101/prototype.html)

It was sold to a guys whom came out from the UK - and taken back to the UK. One interesting thing he mentioned was that his vehicle had the same series number as the one in the USA?

All the best

Wayne

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Wayne

That's O.K. I think that the only powered trailers brought in for the 101's were Rubery Owens*

The only Scottorn Bushmaster powered trailer that I am aware of, arrived in 1973 as a private import (originally in-transit) coupled to a LHD Land Rover 1 Ton.

Diana

* if you are interested:
Rubery Owens & Kelmsley = ROK is a UK conglomerate with an australian division.
later to become
Rubery Owens Holdings = ROH in South Australia

[Phoenix]

The same number deal rings a bell with some 101 info I got. There was a ringer that appeared in the US with the same chassis number, but this one is the real deal.

[101RRS]

Phoenix

I was at Cooma today and talking with one of the 101 owners. He has had his from the time they were released and was at the auction in SA (where he bought his) and possibly at the Sydney auction.

He said that at the SA auction there were 56 101s lined up for sale. He said he recorded each of their chassis numbers, mileage and some other details. With the six that were sold in Sydney this makes 62 Australian 101s plus the ones wrecked in service - didn't one have a major prang in NT and another was used for air drop training purposes and also written off. So numbers may have been as high as 64/65.

Of interest (to me in particular being ex Navy) he said there were two Navy 101s. Me knowing all - I disputed that but he said these were sold from NSC Zetland in Sydney and they were not drab olive in colour - he said they were the standard Navy Sky Blue colour with other parts painted black with writing of some type on the sides of the vehicles.

This guy did not know about REMLR or AULRO so I have asked him to come on the forum and contact you - he may have information that may be of interest. He seemed surprised to find out the REMLR had the chassis numbers etc and no ARNs

So hopefully he will contact you.

Cheers

Garry

[101RRS]

Oh - the pic is the rear of his truck.

[101 Ron]

Land Rover Army Forward Control 101 Prototype (http://www.4wdonline.com/Mil/LandRover/FC101/prototype.html)

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Land Rover Army Forward Control 101 Prototype (http://www.4wdonline.com/Mil/LandRover/FC101/prototype.html)
Very interesting about that prototype Ron.

I wonder if the original transmission behind the Rover 3 litre was in fact merely a civilian 109/110 forward control/1 ton helical transmission? It would have been a production unit at the time of construction in 1969 whereas the LT95 had not yet gone into production. Same reason that the S2B ENVs were used instead of the Salisburys.

Diana

[101 Ron]

The prototype I think no 7 which came to Aust for the army to try was fitted in England with a local falcon three litre motor in stead of the rover three litre of the earlier prototypes.
I under stand the the early prototypes had a series transmission and could only drive the trailer whisle in low range.
The Aust army liked the Falcon engined prototype,but Landrover wouldnt supply any more with the local engine.
That Aust army prototype was extensively reworked and fitted with a 350 chev motor when sold off.
I have a old 4x4 Australia mag with a article of this vehicle being used with the powered trailer set up as a off road touring bus set up.
The mag writer drive the vehicle and was impressed,but said the thing was a problem to turn around on a tight track.
The range rover and 101 was designed with each other in mind and is why the range rover can be easy converted to 6x6 as the transfercase is designed for the extra output drive ( originally for a power driven trailer) and this works in high range too unlike the early series rovers powered trailer experiments.
I would expect the very early 101 prototypes with 3 lt 6 cyl rover motor was like the FCs of the time,but with the strip down body and short lenght required by the British army.
The army found they very badly lacked the power required to tow the new gun coming into service and was going to to buy else where.
The new V8 solved the power problem and the new constant 4WD transmission spread the drive over the two axles allowing the lighter Salisbury axles to be used instead of the ENV.
The Salisbury axles still needed extensive mods to do the job .

[Lotz-A-Landies]

...I understand the the early prototypes had a series transmission and could only drive the trailer whist in low range. ...
Ron
The Series Forward Control/1 Ton transmission only differs from regular series transmission in a couple of respects. Transfer box hi gear reduction 1.53:1 (instead of regular 1.3:1) S2B Lo 3.227:1 same as regular series. All housings apart from the rear mainshaft bearing are the same.
The main gearbox all gears, gearsets, bearings, primary pinion and layshaft the same.
Mainshaft unique to F/C box (longer).
Transfer box constant gear and intermediate gear cluster resemble the LT230 with the constant gear meshing with a centre gear on the intermediate cluster.
Later F/Cs have larger diameter reinforced drum handbrake.
The interesting thing is the series 2a "1 Ton" prototype that came to Australia with the Scottorn Bushmaster powered trailer could only drive the trailer axles when in low range. The same as the early 1 ton prototypes.

[Phoenix]

Garry, we do have the 101 ARN's now, but the numbers I have found so far only ammount to 48. So i'd love any info this bloke has. I hope he is in contact with us soon. Especially about the navy units, very interesting indeed. Same goes for his numbers. I was told one was written off in a head on smash, and that another was dropped down a hole in the outback (open cave), but no confirmation on either, although I take the smashed one to be true, not sure on the other.

[Phoenix]

For the 101 prototype, I'm not sure if that is No.7 or not. I think No.7 was the one that was at corowa a couple of weeks ago. Very similar to the regular 101's it was parked beside, but I did notice that the rear shock towers were different.

[Phoenix]

Serial No: 96100050A
Original Engine Number: 96100169 (a new engine was dropped in around 2001)
DSN / Designations 2320-66-098-2412
ARN 29-170
1 Tonne Land Rover FUV
Unit: 110 BTY
Address: IC AD REGT Woodside
Date introduced into Service: 22 Nov 77
Distance Traveled: 16021 Km
Inital Service 4825Km MSU or MSV (can't quite tell) Broadmeadows 26 Jun 79

Cheers

Mmm, that's strange, The ARN books I have say that your rego should have been 30-238. Any chance of a photo of the books stating those details??

[Lotz-A-Landies]

For the 101 prototype, I'm not sure if that is No.7 or not.
Does anyone have the chassis number prefix for the 101 prototypes, particularly the ones with the ENV diffs?

I know that the Series 1 prototypes had a number sequence including the wheelbase then a slash then the serial number but am not familiar with the later sequences after Series 1.

Diana :)

P.S. Just trying to track down the weird serial number on one of my ENV axle housings.

[Phoenix]

mmm, I think that I have the details somewhere that somebody from the 101 club sent me on the 101 prototypes. All this talk has made me think abotu adding it to a short prototype page on REMLR about 101 prototypes in general.

Richard

[Hay Ewe]

just having a look around here, been wanting a landy for years and picked up a 2a disco two weeks ago.

Anyway, quirky things always interest me so.....

There was a 101 here in Cairns with the chain attachement on the rear for the powered trailer. I saw it a few times in the same place but havent paid any attention to that street for a while. I shall keep my eyes open and if I spot it will let you know.

I dont know about the trailer......

Hay Ewe

[Phoenix]

If you do spot it try and get a pic and the chassis number (if possible). if it was fitted for a powered trailer it would be a prototype of very early production vehicle. Sometimes the chassis number is on rego stickers, not aure about NT though.

[tas101fc]

The prototype no 07 was for sale in Vic when I brought my 101.

The Man in question was Peter Macmillan a true Land Rover man in Geelong.

He was in possession of 2 x 101s the first was rego UK101 Vic reg which Anthony Johnson imported to Australia for a mate of his.

The second 101 Was good old number 07 with the powered trailer and it was indeed the same Hard top camper / touring bus from the West Aus/NT area. 350 Chev powered and in a good condition but a non runner none the less.

I have a heap of photos of both 101's and the trailer.

The Australia army were less than impressed with no 07 at army trails with the woefully inadequate 3L Ford 6cyl motor, series gearbox and placed no orders based on these trials.

The vehicle and trailer were disposed of by Land Rover at auction in Sydney and was purchased buy a Tasmanian mining company on the west coast. It was sent for service work at Max Paine's Garage in Wynyard ( He is my uncle) and was only there about 18 months as the miners were to hard on it, they blew head gaskets and even the motor, frequent over revving it to get it mobile was suspected.

From there unknown owner took out of state in about 84/85 not seen again till 88 as tour bus with custom coach work.:eek:

The trailer is not a rubery owen but the Scottorn Bushmaster powered trailer in question by the look of these photos.

[Phoenix]

G'day mate, good to see you back on line. Thanks for those photos. She still looks pretty good at that point in time!

[stone]

John Ayre of ULR Motors owned the prototype with the Falcon engine. Someone should buttonhole him at Cooma for some details of it when original for REMLR - he's one of the Guest speakers.
I think there were 13 101s at the School of Artillery, North Head. During that time I lived near Manly and often used to see them STRANDED by the roadside.:(:( Probably Lucas electrics.:mad::mad: Are 24V Lucas electrics twice as unreliable as 12v? My father was a supplier to the School and I weaseled a run in one once and immediately thought - 5 or 6 litre transplant, 3.54 ratio diff change! camper body mods.:D:D:D I am sure I saw them with Rapier Launchers and from memory they did training at Jervis Bay. Great sight in a convoy through Manly.
Bob

John Ayre & Simon Ramsey from ULR bought it some where around 1974-75 for $ 4500 with 2400 km on the speedo . before thay hadit it was a workhorse in a mine in Tasmania . thay took out the falcon moter and put in a 4.4 liter V8 terrier truck,the brakes were upgraded and an thay fitted a hone overdrive (could onlybe used in high 2wd). On there 101 the trailer could be driven in low 4x4 . the trailer had free wheel hubs same on steer . Ayre fitted twin 170 liter tanks . with all up waight of about six tonne 19L/100km was the about what thay got on a run to the Snowy River . Iwill try to post some photos my mats uncle has of it a.s.a.p

[easo]

G'day all, here is the link to some pics I posted in REMLR of the PTO trailer conection for who haven't seen it.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/remlr-general/61259-101-power-trailer-set-up.html

[101RRS]

Some more pics of the prootype and trailer in Cairns from a UK forum.

101 club :: View topic - 101 Prototype (http://www.101club.org/forums/viewtopic.php't=1319)

Garry

[DirtyDawg]

Have any of you guys thought about war stocks..there are some huge army/airforce wharehouses with"War Stocks" especially AD stuff.
As a digger I got to walk through one once and saw all the new shiny 101's and Rapier launchers there was at least 20 back in 1984.

[Hay Ewe]

further to my posting back in July about seeing a 101 in Cairns with the driven trailier, I found it again this morning, in a different street to where I last saw it.
it has the trailer with it, well parked up along side.
it has the kooranga adventure tours so its the same one as pictured above.
the radiator grill apepared to be missing but in the pictures above it might not have been there.

On the windscreen was a rego sticker from the territory dated 1989
I diddn't have opportunity to look around too much but as I now know where it is I shall have a look some more, possibly on the weekend.

some pics and alink below possibly have more info to the above but I shall see what I can add

Hay Ewe

[wagoo]

I remember the 2 blokes who flew over and bought Noel Fullertons 101 and powered trailer. They are Nick kaye and Richard Watton from Dorset UK. I met them at Anthony Johnsons house, where they spent the night after landing from the UK before flying off to Alice Springs. Anthony would have contact details of the current wherabouts of this unit.
Incidently, for those interested in British Military Vehicles. Anthony presently has an Alvis Stalwart 6x6 Amphibius vehicle in quite nice condition that he imported afew weeks ago.
Wagoo.
Edit. I don't recall John Ayres powered trailer being fitted with free wheel hubs while we had it. can't remember If it had 6 stud wheels, but would make sense to match the Salisburiy diffs that were retrofitted to the 101 proto. But if the wheels were six stud on the trailer then it had a Salisbury, in which case freewheel hubs weren't available until Russel Hampton had a set specially made by Warn in the USA. Incidently the 101 drive flange bolt pattern matches that of early Dodge Power Wagons, so Warn were able to modify a pair of Dodge FWHs for Russels truck

[Lotz-A-Landies]

The powered trailer from the prototype still has the ENV diffs.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachments/fcs-military-variations/13345d1233726551-101-trailer-cairns-abandoned-img_1532-1024x768-.jpg

There's a thread on the vehicle at http://www.aulro.com/afvb/fcs-military-variations/72356-101-trailer-cairns-abandoned.html although it was never abandoned.

Do you know what Anthony wants for the Stalwart?

[wagoo]

I didn't ask what Anthony hoped to get for the Stolly. I was too busy pawing over it. Ten/fifteen years ago I would have found a way to own it. but the minister of finance told me my days of fun and games are behind me and I must demonstrate some fiscal responsibility.
You could call him on 0397288046.
Wagoo.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I didn't ask what Anthony hoped to get for the Stolly. I was too busy pawing over it. Ten/fifteen years ago I would have found a way to own it. but the minister of finance told me my days of fun and games are behind me and I must demonstrate some fiscal responsibility.
You could call him on 0397288046.
Wagoo.Thanks Wagoo

I have Anthony's phone number, we've done a few deals in the past and I only spoke to him about 2 months ago.

[Mick_Marsh]

AJ was talking about getting one at the last Corowa Swim In.
I must pay a visit soon to have a look at it.

[101 Ron]

The Stolly was imported for one person who has first claim on it.
If the the case was other wise It would be sitting in my shed now.
The price is a lot.
There is also problems with vehicle width even on club rego.

[101RRS]

Are we talking about one of these?

YouTube - Alvis Stalwart

[wagoo]

Are we talking about one of these?

YouTube - Alvis Stalwart (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mr_pCrhTkk)

Yes, one of those. Aside from width issues that Ron alluded too there is also a problem of transmission windup on high traction surfaces due to being permanent 6 wheel drive, with only one differential, a NO SPIN driving all 6 wheels via bevel drive boxes in what is called a "H" drive arrangement.
Richard Watton, mentioned earlier re Noel Fullertons 101 and powered trailer, solve the windup problem on his own Stolly by making air operated disconnects to the front and rearmost bevel boxes.
Wagoo.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

The Stolly was imported for one person who has first clam on it.
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There is also problems with vehicle width even on club rego.I can just see you goin' fish'n in the Shoalhaven using your Stolly! :cool:

Yes 2.62m wide is stretching the friendship with the RTA by at least 120mm. It would be a case of UVP and getting floated (before floating) at an event.

[lardy]

Hi my 101 is a 78 so late but has bronze green under the British army DPM cellulose brush on.
Is this a normal state of affairs unless I misread the previous piece that they were finished in Drab from the get go from Marshalls?