you're not paranoid if some IS actually watching you--

[Pedro_The_Swift]

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http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/12/dhs_enhanced_id.jpg (http://thenewspaper.com/news/21/2133.asp) Just because you have an RFID chip in your driver's license doesn't mean the authorities are watching you; it simply means they can if they want, whenever they want. Arizona, Michigan, Vermont, and Washington will be the first states to begin placing the radio frequency identification chips in their citizens' licenses.

The chips don't need to be physically read by someone scanning your license -- they can be read by monitors within a 30-foot range. Information contained will include name, DOB, physical characteristics, and a private identity number that will allow access to further information stored in the state's DMV database. One good thing about the enhanced ID's: travelers will be able to cross the border without a passport as of January 2009.

The Department of Homeland Security is in favor of the program, promoting it under the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative. Said a DHS fact sheet, "Multiple cards can be read at a distance and simultaneously with vicinity RFID technology, allowing an entire car full of people to be processed at once." Motorists won't be compelled to use an enhanced ID, however -- in the beginning, it will be by voluntary issue only.

[Source: The Newspaper]

[tombraider]

I dont see a problem with it...

If you arent doing wrong, who cares...

I also believe in compulsory DNA mapping at birth...

Now I've opened a can of worms....

[abaddonxi]

I dont see a problem with it...

If you arent doing wrong, who cares...

I also believe in compulsory DNA mapping at birth...

Now I've opened a can of worms....

It's not the DNA at birth thing that's the problem, we already take blood smears, and in the USA they take prints at birth - foot only, I think.

The problem is who has access to the information, and when, and why?

Oh, and the cost. I read in the newspaper that the forensics lab in Sydney was running more than 12 months behind in all DNA based evidence. It might be a long, long time before anyone got around to testing the samples.


Cheers
Simon

[Pedro_The_Swift]

yea,, its data security thats the problem,,

if they can get your ID,,
why not your DNA?

[cartm58]

My problem is this how does it add to safety of society

The bad guys aren't stopped by it, they might be more easily traced in movements after the event when they are tracking what they did leading up to the event.

DNA sampling on joining armed forces or emergency services okay for body identification in event of death or maiming.

DNA national crime base okay for detecting criminals who are usually multiple event occurrences to catch and lock away.

But it wont stop crime or terrorists so why introduce it in under that badge.

Govt and Govt secret agecies need to be challenged to justify removal of freedoms and imposition of costs

[Slunnie]

My problem is this how does it add to safety of society

The bad guys aren't stopped by it, they might be more easily traced in movements after the event when they are tracking what they did leading up to the event.
Perhaps you've answered your own question. If they can trace or track them, then they can probably pick them up with a lot more ease. If the police know your dna, blood, finger prints or whatever from wherever, then they can match it so long as you've left cells somewhere - it's a good deterent if you know you can be found. Perhaps it'll help refine the gene pool also. :) It'd also be good opportunity for those that are innocent but are found guilty to prove their innocence.

[Xavie]

I think it seems a bit silly. I don't believe the point is if your doing nothing wrong then don't fear I think it is more like we have a right not to be watched constantly even if we are doing something wrong.

I guess if your going to do something wrong just leave your license at home?

Also though, each step just locks society down more which in my eyes is negative and it seems to be happening more and more. And the more rules and license chips the easier it is to abuse the system.

[Slunnie]

The only people that it makes a difference to is those that do the wrong thing, and not the whole of society.

[Ralph1Malph]

MMMM, Security indeed.
Lots of what ifs here, lets consider one.
Your DNA profile indicates that you have a tendancy toward glaucoma from around age 50.
You rock up for your licence renewal at 46 and because during the 5 year life of your new licence, your predisposition may eventuate, you are placed on a restriction, no night driving or driving alone. This is presented to you by the 20 yo behind the counter.
You previously didn't know.

What now?

Ralph

[Quarks]

Easy,

Say "no thanks, I'll take a 3 year licence then". Then toward the end of that you go see an optometrist, get your A-OK medical certificate, and then front up to get a 5 year one! :twisted:

[Slunnie]

Yep. If you have glaucoma then you shouldn't be driving. If you have a predisposition but don't have it then keep driving. If your family were killed by a driver with glaucoma and you knew the roads authority knew of the drivers predisposition, then you'd be asking a lot of questions and the roads authority would also be liable no doubt. You can't condone unsafe practise.

20yo, 30yo, or a 75yo behind the counter makes no difference. Because they're young or old it doesn't make them stupid.

[Ralph1Malph]

Yep. If you have glaucoma then you shouldn't be driving. If you have a predisposition but don't have it then keep driving. If your family were killed by a driver with glaucoma and you knew the roads authority knew of the drivers predisposition, then you'd be asking a lot of questions and the roads authority would also be liable no doubt. You can't condone unsafe practise.

20yo, 30yo, or a 75yo behind the counter makes no difference. Because they're young or old it doesn't make them stupid.

Sorry, not implying stupidity, just that a predisposition, does not mean you will! Also just hilighting a perhaps impersonal manner that you are informed. :):):):) And that the girl behind the counter, now knows. At best they are bound by the public service code, at worst, a contractor and no such checks.:p:p:p

Ralph

[tombraider]

Considering they would know this from your DNA at age 10 seconds... I'd think you could be informed of this by your medical practitioner well before the event.

I love these people who love the conspiracies of your data...

If I was a decent hacker I'd know where you live, what sites you browse, your banking habits, when you take your leave, and where you travel...

All this from you because of:

a) being on the net
b) you have a TFN
c) being alive
d) banking
e) having a phone / Mobile phone

You know they can track a mobile dont you??

And I can assure you, do enough searches for Bomb, terrorism etc, and you'll get a visit...

They also electronically monitor phones (everywhere) for keywords....
No-ones listening, just a computer, but if it heard keywords... "bush" "bomb" "USA" etc... its going to be recorded, rated as threat level and reported...

You think this isnt happening right now.... Well do I have news for you.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

didnt do much good in Pakistan,,

[WhiteD3]

Yes, its an invasion of my privacy.
Yes, the DNA thing could come and bit me in the future.

etc, etc, etc.

But I'd gladly give up all that if it catches just one nut case who's busily stockpiling fertilizer with a view to blowing me, my kids, or anyone else up.

[dobbo]

How many of you conspiricy theorists owns one of the following?

GPS
Mobile phone
Internet access
TFN
Credit card, loan or any other line of credit.
Telephone
A registered or unregistered vehicle
An electrical item with a serial number on it
Anything with a serial number on it
Plastic bank notes
A private residence
Live in a rental residence
Live in public housing
A number on an electral role
Live in a civilised society

(you are all being tracked right now, as you read my post, as you walk down the street you are being watched, as you order take away, you are being recorded for "training purposes").

Apparently LR's are a popular marque for eccentrics, paranormal investigators, Darlek spotters, train spotters, and folk who are generally a little quirky. More so series and Defender owners. You may fit a custom made alfoil cap on your noggin' and drive your series around with chicken wire bolted to the roof in the hopes that the two combined will scramble the government signals, UFO tractor beams, EMP's from terrorist bombs, and general Jihad Jammers. APPARENTLY these simple mods will also improve the fuel efficiency of a 2.25d (if the alfoil cap is cone shaped towards the rear of the vehicle)


If you don't like it, tough, even if you top yourself over it your details of your death (and most likely your DNA will be recorded)

What me worry, I am mad.

[dhard]

Considering they would know this from your DNA at age 10 seconds... I'd think you could be informed of this by your medical practitioner well before the event.

I love these people who love the conspiracies of your data...

If I was a decent hacker I'd know where you live, what sites you browse, your banking habits, when you take your leave, and where you travel...

All this from you because of:

a) being on the net
b) you have a TFN
c) being alive
d) banking
e) having a phone / Mobile phone

You know they can track a mobile dont you??

And I can assure you, do enough searches for Bomb, terrorism etc, and you'll get a visit...

They also electronically monitor phones (everywhere) for keywords....
No-ones listening, just a computer, but if it heard keywords... "bush" "bomb" "USA" etc... its going to be recorded, rated as threat level and reported...

You think this isnt happening right now.... Well do I have news for you. You've just set off a few alarm bells there. All the worlds security agencies will be watching you and this site with interest now. Just don't say you're best mates with any Indian or Pakistani Doctors or you'll have the Feds on your door charging you with conspiracy. :D:D:D

[Ralph1Malph]

Ok, Ok,:p:p
Perhaps it's not the security thing that worries me, :o
It's really the barriers it may present to me leading the life I want.:mad:
For example, and yes, these situations may never eventuate, but knowing the future can mould your present:

My DNA suggests that I have a predisposition to a heart attack, in fact it strongly suggests I will die from one between 50-55. My employer refuses to invest in me any more in the way of training or promotion because I have 'only 10 years left':eek: In fact actively seeks to replace me.

Airlines refuse to cart me around because, I may be at higher risk of venous thombosis (DVT). So says my DNA profile. There goes my wedding aniversary trip:mad:

Telemarketers, have a list of senior cits that are predisposed to alzeimers, and target them to buy vacuum cleaners. (One every week).:angrylock:

Yes I know, what every one is about to say, but really it's about the intrusion.

Fairly heavy conversation for Sunday Morn :D:D:D:D:D

Ralph

[dobbo]

Ok, Ok,:p:p
Perhaps it's not the security thing that worries me, :o
It's really the barriers it may present to me leading the life I want.:mad:
For example, and yes, these situations may never eventuate, but knowing the future can mould your present:

My DNA suggests that I have a predisposition to a heart attack, in fact it strongly suggests I will die from one between 50-55. My employer refuses to invest in me any more in the way of training or promotion because I have 'only 10 years left':eek: In fact actively seeks to replace me.

Airlines refuse to cart me around because, I may be at higher risk of venous thombosis (DVT). So says my DNA profile. There goes my wedding aniversary trip:mad:

Telemarketers, have a list of senior cits that are predisposed to alzeimers, and target them to buy vacuum cleaners. (One every week).:angrylock:

Yes I know, what every one is about to say, but really it's about the intrusion.

Fairly heavy conversation for Sunday Morn :D:D:D:D:D

Ralph

http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/

[GregTD5]

For the conspiracy theorists out there, if you have a Telstra Next G phone with Bigpond enabled, go to whereis Mobile, then get maps. Triangulation through the towers will have you very close to your present position.
Is this an invasion of privacy, I dont think so! I prefer to consider it as a safety net.
Don't worry too much about a chip in a drivers licence, it's all the other things in life that give out the information on our lifestyle.

Greg