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dirtdawg
7th January 2008, 08:22 PM
what do you guys think of this kit i am thinking about getting it with either the gas or foam cell shockers and has anyone else had to get the castor correction bushed on a 2 inch lift??

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cucinadio
7th January 2008, 08:51 PM
what do you guys think of this kit i am thinking about getting it with either the gas or foam cell shockers and has anyone else had to get the castor correction bushed on a 2 inch lift??

2 inch lift kit Land Rover Discovery Range Rangie Disco - eBay, 4x4 Accessories, Car Accessories, Tuning, Cars, Bikes, Boats. (end time 12-Jan-08 14:27:59 AEDST) (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=220188339458&Category=30862&_trksid=p3907.m29)

mate my bro has this excact kit on his gq, hes had this kit at 4" lift for at least 18months and has smacked the crap out of it the whole time !!!
hes has never skiped a beat and hes more than happy with it !!


cheers

Blknight.aus
7th January 2008, 10:49 PM
ive lifted a couple of discos and 2 inches is about as high as Id go without thinking about the castor kits....But providing the driver is aware of the change in handling characteristics a spring lift of 4+ inches is achievable without them.

SWMBO thought our 93 was better in the steering department post 2 inch lift + steeltrek fitout. but wasnt too happy with the extra noise.

cucinadio
7th January 2008, 11:03 PM
ive lifted a couple of discos and 2 inches is about as high as Id go without thinking about the castor kits....But providing the driver is aware of the change in handling characteristics a spring lift of 4+ inches is achievable without them.

SWMBO thought our 93 was better in the steering department post 2 inch lift + steeltrek fitout. but wasnt too happy with the extra noise.

without taking away from the current thread, but what is needed to achive a 4"lift without casters and how and with what do you achive this kind of lift please tell me in interested in the pros of this
and excuse the ignorance but what does SWMBO mean ive beenmeanning to ask for ages

cheers

Signal1
7th January 2008, 11:33 PM
SWMBO = She Who Must Be Obeyed aka The Handbrake

Blknight.aus
7th January 2008, 11:36 PM
the short list of what you need is...

1. longer springs (obviously)
2. differnt shocks
3. longer brake lines
4. a longer splined slipjoint (and at this point you will be wanting to think about swapping U'js for a DC joint or better high angle CV joints but its not quiiiite mandatory)
5. different track rods and dragling setup
6. platform shoes so you can get into the bugger cause as soon as you see the gargantuan void under the arch but above the top of the tyre your going to want to put something in there

Id also reccomend extending the bump stops and this is also about the amount of spring lift where I start to think about things like longer locating arms (which you can cheat just about enough out of by shimming the locting bush and cutting the nut side bush Definately NOT legal if you were getting the longer arms why not buy the correction kit while you were at it....)

to do it just unbolt all the short stuff chuck it in the recyc bin and then install the longer stuff.

Pros and cons of lifting.... thats a big tin of worms....

pros are more height, ramp over angle approach and departure angles and in the case of the disco-1s and-2s you can fit 7.5r16 rubber which opens up all the light truck range of tyres which are cheaper than the size the disco usually wears.

cons more height (you wont fit under all the carparks anymore) more wear on some components (specifically Uj's and slipjoints), COG is lifted so you loose stability and sideslopeability unless you increase the track width, if you bust something you cant just ring MR automotives and say "19xx disco v8 with auto ID like one of these thanks, send it to upper whereamInow and charge this credit card", changes to steering geometry, getting harder to do a lift without an engineers cert on it, can void insurances + roadworthys.

She
Who
Must
Be
Obeyed... AKA the wife, handbrake, ball and chain, trouble and srife, Home command, ministry of finances, etc etc etc.

cucinadio
8th January 2008, 12:04 AM
the short list of what you need is...

1. longer springs (obviously)
2. differnt shocks
3. longer brake lines
4. a longer splined slipjoint (and at this point you will be wanting to think about swapping U'js for a DC joint or better high angle CV joints but its not quiiiite mandatory)
5. different track rods and dragling setup
6. platform shoes so you can get into the bugger cause as soon as you see the gargantuan void under the arch but above the top of the tyre your going to want to put something in there

Id also reccomend extending the bump stops and this is also about the amount of spring lift where I start to think about things like longer locating arms (which you can cheat just about enough out of by shimming the locting bush and cutting the nut side bush Definately NOT legal if you were getting the longer arms why not buy the correction kit while you were at it....)

to do it just unbolt all the short stuff chuck it in the recyc bin and then install the longer stuff.

Pros and cons of lifting.... thats a big tin of worms....

pros are more height, ramp over angle approach and departure angles and in the case of the disco-1s and-2s you can fit 7.5r16 rubber which opens up all the light truck range of tyres which are cheaper than the size the disco usually wears.

cons more height (you wont fit under all the carparks anymore) more wear on some components (specifically Uj's and slipjoints), COG is lifted so you loose stability and sideslopeability unless you increase the track width, if you bust something you cant just ring MR automotives and say "19xx disco v8 with auto ID like one of these thanks, send it to upper whereamInow and charge this credit card", changes to steering geometry, getting harder to do a lift without an engineers cert on it, can void insurances + roadworthys.

She
Who
Must
Be
Obeyed... AKA the wife, handbrake, ball and chain, trouble and srife, Home command, ministry of finances, etc etc etc.


sh%$ i was just thinkin you were saying lift it with the springs and shock and u wouldnt need caster correcton and that was it!! jjjjjssssss bloddy hell u carnt really get much lift w a 2" l was hopeing l could do the 4" with out much drama!! and cost but l guess l was dreaming!!!
would a 3" have the same impact on the SWMBO :D would u need all you have said to acheve a 3" lift and really is a 2" simple ???
l had no trouble doing a 3" lift without any ajustments to anything on my old gu "what the"

cheers

p.s thanks mate

incisor
8th January 2008, 12:12 AM
geez i wish you would learn to selective quote...

PS work it out for your self :p

cucinadio
8th January 2008, 12:25 AM
geez i wish you would learn to selective quote...

PS work it out for your self :p


dont be like that my friend im just keeping you on your toes !!!!:D

cheers

P.S " I WILL "

Blknight.aus
8th January 2008, 06:02 AM
I consider the cut off for cheap lifts on the landies to be the 2 inch mark you can lift them higher (up to 4 inches) without replacing anything else other than the shocks, the springs and the brakelines but everything else in there will be at the limit and their service life will be reduced.

given that for a 3 inch lift Id probabley do most of the stuff for a 4 inch lift (and want the bigger rubber as well) SWMBO would probabley baulk at it.....

cucinadio
8th January 2008, 06:08 AM
given that for a 3 inch lift Id probabley do most of the stuff for a 4 inch lift (and want the bigger rubber as well) SWMBO would probabley baulk at it.....


yes the SWMBO :D would do that !!, but the SWMBO :D, would really baulk at anything that wasn’t from loot, the Telstra shop, Myers, diva, ect ect, if u get my drift.

does anyone have a good pic of a 2" or a 4" lift and what they have used to do it for dirtdawg mate lm sure the kit your thinking of using is more that capable of doing the task as i said my bro has smack the crap out of his and its doing just fine !!.

p.s i can probably be pretty sure your not going to do anything close to what my bro has dished out to his gq!!

Cheers

p.p.s is that better incicer????
and buy the way " love ur work mate "

rovercare
8th January 2008, 11:56 AM
But providing the driver is aware of the change in handling characteristics a spring lift of 4+ inches is achievable without them.



I gotta pull that up, they'll drive like crap......like yea I'd drive it, but wouldn't let the missus:eek:

2" lift, put it in and see what you think........better yet, actually go and get a front end alignment, and see where the castor is;), if its out by 2 degrees, then fit some bushes:D

Should be +3

dirtdawg
8th January 2008, 06:56 PM
my alignment is fine, the lift is on my list of things to do along with a snorkel and winch bar

rovercare
8th January 2008, 07:11 PM
my alignment is fine, the lift is on my list of things to do along with a snorkel and winch bar

Sigh... you will alter the CASTOR not toe, when you lift it, the only REAL way to find out the error in the castor angle is on a wheel aligning machine, which tells you the angle, then you have a figure and what it should be, then you know how much to correct the castor:D

mcrover
8th January 2008, 07:24 PM
Mine has a 2" Ride pro lift and 235 85 16 rubber and I have found that it does lack in the CASTER (I put in upper case due to the brain fade I had last time I spoke about wheel alignments and called it Camber and got pulled up about it several times) and has a tendancy to follow and changes in the road and is pretty interesting on roads like the Hume where the trucks wear in grooves pretty badly.

Mrs Mc doesnt really like to drive it that much but does when she has to.

discotone
23rd January 2008, 01:26 AM
So is MCROVER’S experience typical? Does a typical “off the shelf” 2 inch lift adversely affect the handling? Would appreciate any ideas from people who have done this because I am just about to change the shocks on my D1, and was considering the lift as well, but after reading this and many other threads on this site not so sure if it’s worth it?:angel:

EchiDna
23rd January 2008, 09:22 AM
[devil's advocate]
buy a defender you can fit 35's with a 2 inch lift and no other changes :)
[/devil's advocate]

at the end of the day it's all illegal anyway unless engineered so play safe... do a search, its caused plenty of undue tension and arguements, but it boils down to (Australia wide implementation sooner or later) a maximum of 2 inches of total lift (or drop if you are that way inclined) via a combination of springs, body lift and increased tyre size from the factory specs is legal without engineering.

Simply put, your insurance runs the chance of being voided without engineering in the event of an accident.

Redback
23rd January 2008, 12:01 PM
So is MCROVER’S experience typical? Does a typical “off the shelf” 2 inch lift adversely affect the handling? Would appreciate any ideas from people who have done this because I am just about to change the shocks on my D1, and was considering the lift as well, but after reading this and many other threads on this site not so sure if it’s worth it?:angel:

An off the shelf lift for a D1 won't effect the castor, most, if not all off the shelf lifts for Discos are 40mm or 1.5" over bumpstop height and as high as workshops will go for Discos, that's D1 and D2s.

Anything over this will create handling problems (ie) wandering, driveline vibrations, mid corner turn in and so on, for the D1 it's an easy fix by slotting your swivle balls to corect castor, for the D2 it's a tad harder and more expensive.

Corrected swivle balls for a D1 are around $300.

Baz.

mcrover
23rd January 2008, 01:32 PM
[devil's advocate]
buy a defender you can fit 35's with a 2 inch lift and no other changes :)
[/devil's advocate]

at the end of the day it's all illegal anyway unless engineered so play safe... do a search, its caused plenty of undue tension and arguements, but it boils down to (Australia wide implementation sooner or later) a maximum of 2 inches of total lift (or drop if you are that way inclined) via a combination of springs, body lift and increased tyre size from the factory specs is legal without engineering.

Simply put, your insurance runs the chance of being voided without engineering in the event of an accident.


From what all the information that is available on the new national legislation it will be a MAX 6" lift, no more than 2" body, no more than 2" suspention (from standard maximum hight at dry weight) and no more than 2" tyres.

Unless more has been said on it recently from someone really in the know, thats what my insurance co. said they would cover me for even after the new legislation and it is the same as 3 other 4wd specialists (that im good freinds with) have been told by Vicroads nearly word for word so Im pretty sure that will be right.

As far as my lack of camber, I have driven another Disco (1 year older) which had virtually no change in driving feel with the same kit so it may change a bit from car to car depending how the suspention has worn etc.

I will get around to checking all the front end measurments one day when I have the time to see if something is bent or worn shich may be causing me more problems than the lift itself.

rovercare
23rd January 2008, 01:45 PM
From what all the information that is available on the new national legislation it will be a MAX 6" lift, no more than 2" body, no more than 2" suspention (from standard maximum hight at dry weight) and no more than 2" tyres.

Unless more has been said on it recently from someone really in the know, thats what my insurance co. said they would cover me for even after the new legislation and it is the same as 3 other 4wd specialists (that im good freinds with) have been told by Vicroads nearly word for word so Im pretty sure that will be right.

As far as my lack of camber, I have driven another Disco (1 year older) which had virtually no change in driving feel with the same kit so it may change a bit from car to car depending how the suspention has worn etc.

I will get around to checking all the front end measurments one day when I have the time to see if something is bent or worn shich may be causing me more problems than the lift itself.

Its CASTOR:bangin::wacko:

mcrover
23rd January 2008, 01:56 PM
Its CASTOR:bangin::wacko:


I bloody told you all I would do that, Ive been at work since 5am and it was flat out, please forgive me

:bangin::bangin::bangin::bangin::bangin::wallbash: :wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::bat::bat::bat::bat: :no2::no2::no2:

dirtdawg
23rd January 2008, 03:42 PM
common sense tells you to go get a wheel alignment after you change spring and shocks weither your lifting a car of lowering it

BigJon
23rd January 2008, 03:50 PM
common sense tells you to go get a wheel alignment after you change spring and shocks weither your lifting a car of lowering it

If you are talking about a Land Rover with a live axle in the front, why bother? You haven't changed the toe in / out and that is the only adjustable parameter of the alignment. If need be you can adjust the length of the drag link to get the steering wheel centred.

rovercare
24th January 2008, 12:19 AM
If you are talking about a Land Rover with a live axle in the front, why bother? You haven't changed the toe in / out and that is the only adjustable parameter of the alignment. If need be you can adjust the length of the drag link to get the steering wheel centred.

Maybe to find out the current castor angle to get a correction figure, then correct aforementioned castor to factory specs:D

discotone
24th January 2008, 03:45 AM
So..........Dirtdawg did you buy the springs/shocks? If so could you give us a bit of an idea what you think of the ride now?

BigJon
24th January 2008, 08:55 AM
Maybe to find out the current castor angle to get a correction figure, then correct aforementioned castor to factory specs:D

Bugger that, just drive it :D. I lifted my Rangie (not an extreme lift) and I haven't corrected the castor. They don't all need it. If castor correction is required, the vehicle will let you know :o.

rovercare
24th January 2008, 10:46 AM
Bugger that, just drive it :D. I lifted my Rangie (not an extreme lift) and I haven't corrected the castor. They don't all need it. If castor correction is required, the vehicle will let you know :o.

Yep, dead right, see how it drives, but you might think its ok, then correct the 2 degrees you lost it'll be heaps better, nothing like doing a job right:)

dirtdawg
24th January 2008, 08:07 PM
nope havent bought it yet just getting some opinions b4 i start spending, march/april is gonna be when i go for the lift kit and the roof top tent

loanrangie
25th January 2008, 03:51 PM
rovers being what they are, the exact same suspension in 2 vehicles the same can behave differently.