Saying Sorry-- Keven Rudds sorry speech

[Rovernaut]

:d :d :d :d :d :d

[Chucaro]

No comments...........they will start a bitter discussions which are not healthy for this forum :(

[sclarke]

OK, i can see the humorous side to that.

BUT
There will be some indigenous people on here who might get offended.
For the record, i'm 5th Generation and i dont find it offensive.

[Rovernaut]

No comments...........they will start a bitter discussions which are not healthy for this forum :(


Hmmmm, you could be right so I've deleted this post.
We don't want to create racial problems.

[sclarke]

Smart move............

Still was funny...

[Blknight.aus]

since i missed it was it the copy of the one that was allegedly found scrawled on a toilet somewhere in the NT that has the Im sorry we only give you 1 free 4x4 per year for you to destroy line in it?

[Rovernaut]

since i missed it was it the copy of the one that was allegedly found scrawled on a toilet somewhere in the NT that has the Im sorry we only give you 1 free 4x4 per year for you to destroy line in it?
No, they would have too scrawl a lot more.;););)

[Rovernaut]

Smart move............

Still was funny...
Yep smart move, we can knock poofs on this forum, but don't mention indiggies:eek:

[RonMcGr]

What really pi**es me off about Krudd and this "Sorry" garbage, is it's racist!

There were a LOT of white people also taken away.
My Father-in-law did not meet the majority of his brothers and sisters until he was 65. It took his daughters two years, once the information was available, to track them down. One died before he met them.

So it was not ONLY the Aborigines that were taken away, Church groups had a field day with single mothers and widowers as well.

[Chucaro]

Mate the problem in this world are the "do gooders"
I hate the people that like to run the life of others. :mad:
Let do not start again, and change the topic to jokes, it is better for our health :D

[d3funct]

Im sure we can handle a non-derogatory discussion on this matter.

After all, it is the top-priority matter for the Australian government, dispite rising inflation, skills shortages, infrastucture problems and information technology (or lack thereof). :rolleyes:

I have no problems with the governement getting their PR on the apology, provided it is delivered on behalf of the Government, no one else.

I came to this country in 1990 as an innocent 6 year old. How dare they insinuate that I should feel apologetic, or that I have something to feel sorry for.

I feel sympathy for those affected, same as I feel sympathetic for Jews during Holocaust (however the events cannot and should not be compared).

This apology should have been delivered when the practiced ceased, and not at any other time (including now).
Australians (the majority of) today have nothing to do with this, and despite all goodwill claims, this has to be thought of as nothing but a PR stunt for Labor. Shame, shame, shame.

Now then - the Aboriginal community, for them to publically say, we want an apology so we can finally rest - I dont accept it.
For the community to say they will be bitter and unforgiving until an apology is fed, is sorry to say, nothing other than weak and pathetic.

"Say sorry or I wont let you have a lolly..." - Seriously, grow up.

They want the apology, as a tool of admitted liability, to begin "compensation" proceedings. Nothing else.

Again, as I conclude my opinion, I stress that we should all feel sympathetic to those affected. Apologetic? No.

[Xavie]

Yep smart move, we can knock poofs on this forum, but don't mention indiggies:eek:

Prefer you didn't knock anyone actually!

[crump]

Prefer you didn't knock anyone actually!

x2 :mad::mad:

[Thommo]

OK it is a simple as this...........

There would not be too many, if any races on this planet that have not at some time in their history been raped, pillaged & plundered.

I would like a sorry from the Pope for the Roman Empire invading and overthrowing my ancestors.

Should I ask for a Sorry from all the Scandinavian Kings & Queens for the Vikings raping and pillaging my ancestors.

These do-gooders would have us saying sorry to the Germans and Japanese for winning WW2, for pete's sake they are probably the same people who want us out of the Sandpit and expect us to say sorry for that.

It's life, if they are that upset then lets have our own Wounded Knee.
If I felt that strongly about someone invading my country that's what I would be doing.

Big Fish eats Small Fish

And if we let the dogooders get a bigger foothold on things we will all be bowing to Mecca before we know it.

And before anyone cries the racist card I am married to a TI and my kids qualify as indigenous (but I don't claim any benefits).

Gee I feel better that is off my chest.

[barney]

it's a tricky one this, i doubt that the so called "apology" will make one lick of difference to the average aborigine. too little, too late. more like make all the eastern suburbs (toorak for melb?)do-gooders feel good about themselves because they made the government say sorry for something that was done by another goverment.
if the church was involved, why don't they say sorry? too often not held accountable for their actions.

can-o-worms?

[ellard]

Hi there

I have broard shoulder - if I did something wrong I will except the blame.

BUT I DIDNT SO WHY APPOLOGISE - its got the potential of leaving us open for a big ongoing court issues.

Extract for Yahoo:

'Sorry' is not enough: Aboriginal Alliance - Yahoo!7 News (http://au.news.yahoo.com/080210/21/15shp.html)

'Sorry' is not enough: Aboriginal Alliance



The National Aboriginal Alliance says the Federal Government should go further than this week's apology to Indigenous Australians and award compensation.
Prime Minister Kevin Rudd has ruled out financial compensation for members of the Stolen Generations, despite a recommendation in the 1997 'Bringing Them Home' report.
Alliance spokesman Les Malezer says Wednesday's formal apology is welcome, but not enough.
"We are also concerned that the apology is not being accompanied by reparations, which is part of forgiveness, as part of admitting that the wrong thing was done," he said.
"Once the apology has been issued, and providing the apology is not qualified, we will then go on to ask the Government to now consider how it will pay compensation."
Earlier, Mr Rudd said he was still working on the exact wording of the apology.
"The key thing, the absolute key thing here is to get it right in terms of the Stolen Generations themselves, to make sure the language is right," he said.
"That's my first responsibility, otherwise next Wednesday's a wasted event."
Opposition indigenous affairs spokesman Tony Abbot said Opposition MPs will not hesitate to voice their concerns about the term Stolen Generations.
"We'll be supporting the resolution, but in our remarks we'll be true to the real history of our country," he said.
"The term Stolen Generations is misleading. Yes, some kids were stolen and that is shameful, but many kids were helped."
The Alliance also says the Federal Opposition is devaluing this week's apology to Indigenous Australians, by bickering over its wording.
Mr Malezer says the Opposition's behaviour is disappointing.
"While they continue to play political games to satisfy their very conservative approach to the rights of us as distinct peoples and cultures, these political games are very damaging," he said.
"They could make the apology become worthless, or less than it really should be valued, if they continue to play the games as they are."
More than 100 members of the Stolen Generations will be in Canberra to witness the event, paid for by the Commonwealth and states.

Wayne

[Xavie]

From reading what it may say when delivered it looks so manufactured and doctored that I don't think it will mean anything to any one BUT in saying that I am not its intended audience and maybe it will mean a lot to those who it is for.

Xavier

[Rovernaut]

Mate the problem in this world are the "do gooders"
I hate the people that like to run the life of others. :mad:

Are the minority do gooders know what's best for majority of us. Sad fact of life.
Yes,I agree bring on the jokes....... let us all have a laugh.:D

[RonMcGr]

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if the church was involved, why don't they say sorry? too often not held accountable for their actions.


Ideal, but it would never happen.

I am a Catholic, I was dragged to church by my Mother every Sunday, until I left the farm, looking for a better life.

To me, religions are nothing other than a money making racket!! Do I believe in God ?, well, you have to believe in some thing, even if it maybe crap :) But at least you feel better :D

The antics of the C of E and RC Churches, in the past are dreadfull! Since then, nothing much has changed and they are still on the defensive. Why? Litigation... it is ALL about money.

If they apologized they would worry about being dragged in court, so, shut up and say nothing is the best policy.

Religions give me the sh*ts, I have not seen one, who helps there people, it is all $$$,$$$,$$$.00

[zulu Delta 534]

The Yanks should be worried about this, just imagine what will be in store for future American governments when Britneys kids are old enough to demand a "sorry"!!!

[moose]

Missus Moose just said she has been asked to cover a shift wednesday night because one of the other staff members (non-aboriginal) wants to have a "sorry party". :no2:
It's this type of person that the whole thing caters for I'm afraid. :(
Sure, it's wrong that aboriginal children got taken away from their families, but so many other children did too, and even the "pro-sorry" groups haven't been able to find any one who was taken for racist reasons, and that's the core of their arguement.

[Blknight.aus]

now its a fairly standard australian thing to have a dig at pretty much every one from the dings, wops, spiks, seppos, yobbos, abbos, towel heads, and the curry munchers through to the blue bloods, shirt lifters, toffs and geeks. lets face it its pretty much par for the course over a couple of snags and vitaman blues at a barbie.

BUT

have you ever noticed how when you have a sterotypical dig at someone that the people who whinge most about it are usually the most deserving of the derogation?

[Ken]

As an new born my birth mother gave me up for adoption, and then once my absolute loving parents whom Ive known all my life came and took me home I was loved shown the right way to go about living and treating people
In my opinion I knew no different as to who my parents were and was told at the right time that I was adopted
accepted the fact through the knoweledge of the love and understanding my parents had shown to me
I believe that my birth mother did the right thing by me when giving me up to hopefully have a better life.
I did get a better chance and am thankful for what nurturing Ive recieved and the chances Ive been given have made me who I am today
I am not Aboriginal but have mates who are I expect the same from them that I give out
Never once have they asked me for A DOLLAR or A SMOKE and I have them at my home for dinner and a beer because they are my mates
I believe that everyone deserves a chance at life and everyone has the same chance to achieve whatever they desire
It doesnt matter anymore what happened all that time ago
What does matter is that we live with respect for each other and stop this us and them mentality its a crap way to carry on and those that do should be ashamed and have a think about it
It doesnt matter if anyone says sorry it doesnt change the past and to dwell in the past is to not have a future

Compensation wont change a thing living with respect for fellow man is the key

[B92 8NW]

I had a long reply typed up... citing the maiden speech of Pauline Hanson, Paul Hasluck, minister for territories 1955, blah blah... but I deleted it:D.

Why?

Because its a waste of breath. Who is one person on a Land Rover forum to argue changing the policies of the current government that encourages separatism.

[CraigE]

No offence to any indigenous readers, but I strongly disagree with saying sorry.
If these and many white Australian families looked after their own properly there would not be this issue and they need to take responsability for their own neglect of their people as is still happening. All that seems to be happening is blame and compensation. When it was first mooted by Labor, many Aboriginal elders said publiclly there would be no compensation claim. Bollocks, has started already now Labor has said they will say sorry.
I am not saying errors were not made, but in the whole at the time it was needed. What would these so called "stolen generation" prefer, that they were taken from their irresponsible parents to have some sort of life or left to die.:(
Please, move on.:)
No accountability. Still see it often, people believing those of us that work owe them a living. Black and White. B&**(*it, get a job and get a life.

I know maybe I can sue the indigenous race, because they speared a distant relative explorer of mine in the early 1800's. After all he was only out for a walk in his backyard of the world.;)

[abaddonxi]

Okay, here's one.

Say a big company starts mining some nasty stuff. Thirty years later people are dying from it and it is discovered that the company knew that they were digging up poisonous stuff.

Yet they still do it.

Just say the CEO says, 'well, I wasn't there then, none of my business', and doesn't offer to do anything about it.

I think not.

How is the situation different?


BTW this is a real question, not trying to stir anyone up.


Cheers
Simon

[B92 8NW]

No offence to any indigenous readers, but I strongly disagree with saying sorry.
If these and many white Australian families looked after their own properly there would not be this issue and they need to take responsability for their own neglect of their people as is still happening. All that seems to be happening is blame and compensation. When it was first mooted by Labor, many Aboriginal elders said publiclly there would be no compensation claim. Bollocks, has started already now Labor has said they will say sorry.
I am not saying errors were not made, but in the whole at the time it was needed. What would these so called "stolen generation" prefer, that they were taken from their irresponsible parents to have some sort of life or left to die.:(
Please, move on.:)
No accountability. Still see it often, people believing those of us that work owe them a living. Black and White. B&**(*it, get a job and get a life.

I know maybe I can sue the indigenous race, because they speared a distant relative explorer of mine in the early 1800's. After all he was only out for a walk in his backyard of the world.;)

Agreed.

"This nation is being divided into black and white, and the present system encourages this. I am fed up with being told, "This is our land." Well, where the hell do I go? I was born here, and so were my parents and children. I will work beside anyone and they will be my equal but I draw the line when told I must pay and continue paying for something that happened over 200 years ago. Like most Australians, I worked for my land; no-one gave it to me." - Pauline Hanson, Tuesday 10/9/1996.

[Redback]

Agreed.

"This nation is being divided into black and white, and the present system encourages this. I am fed up with being told, "This is our land." Well, where the hell do I go? I was born here, and so were my parents and children. I will work beside anyone and they will be my equal but I draw the line when told I must pay and continue paying for something that happened over 200 years ago. Like most Australians, I worked for my land; no-one gave it to me." - Pauline Hanson, Tuesday 10/9/1996.



I'm not goiing to comment on the subject of the apoligy, personally i don't have a problem either way, but it only stopped happening 20yrs ago NOT over 200yrs ago, it started over 200yrs, you'll find that the stolen generation are my age and younger.

Like most of the crap that came from her mouth it was unimformed, she should stick too making chips not comments.

Baz.

[Gooner]

I would like a few answers from Kevvie before this apology, I don't think I'll get them though.

1. Who are we actually saying sorry to?
2. Will the Aboriginal industry then say thankyou for the billions of dollars spent directly on less then 300,000 people?
3. Will we all become equal Australians after the apology or will the form still say "Are you of Aboroginal or Torres Strait Origin"?
4. Will anybody apologise to those kids in remote communities who are continuing to be raped and victimised right now?

My concern is that the whole "Stolen Generation" thing will pass from something that may have happened to a statement of fact after the apology and my kids will learn at school that this did happen and it was all wrong.
No doubt kids were removed and if it was purely for racist reasons, throw the book at em. But, I suspect it was done in the best interests of the kids and with the best of intentions of the thinking at that time.

Christ, I wish they would take away kids now who are in danger from their degenerate parents of any colour. They dont and the poor kids are winding up broken and dead. We've learnt nothing from the past.

[RonMcGr]

From todays news. :mad:
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Aborigines head to Canberra calling for compensation - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/02/11/2159032.htm)

Aborigines head to Canberra calling for compensation
Posted 2 hours 7 minutes ago
Updated 37 minutes ago

The area around Canberra's Aboriginal Tent Embassy is being prepared for the influx of people.

Hundreds of Aboriginal people are making their way to Canberra to hear the Prime Minister officially apologise to the Stolen Generations, as calls are made for compensation from the Federal Government.

The area around Canberra's Aboriginal Tent Embassy is being prepared for the influx of people who are expected to arrive from around Australia ahead of the apology.

The Tent Embassy's Isabelle Coe says she is pleased the site is still a focus for Aboriginal protest.

"We've had to fight to stay here because we've been fire bombed, we've been petrol bombed," she said.

"They wrapped up our old demountable in black plastic and drove it off to somewhere we don't know, but we have fought to stay here for the last 36 years."


Compensation

Many of those expected to travel to Canberra will also take part in a rally from the Tent Embassy to the federal Parliament on Tuesday in support of calls for compensation to the Stolen Generations.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd has ruled out compensation but many Aboriginal leaders who have travelled from across the nation to be in Canberra for the event are still arguing for reparations.

Ms Coe says she thinks some form of compensation is inevitable.

"I don't think that this country can get out of paying it because a lot of Aboriginal people were affected by the Stolen Generations," she said.

"The mothers, the fathers, the grandparents, the aunties, the uncles, the cousins, and we had to run and hide when the welfare came to our mission."

Former Keating government minister Michael Lavarch, who established an inquiry into the Stolen Generations more than a decade ago, agrees money should be paid.

"Money can't overcome the problems that have been inflicted on so many families, on so many Australians," he said.

"But as part of an overall response I really think it should be something that the Government should look at."


'Sorry is enough'

A member of the Stolen Generations who launched the first compensation case against the Commonwealth 12 years ago has welcomed the Commonwealth's plan to say sorry.

Lorna Cubillo and Peter Gunner failed to get compensation in 2000, because the High Court ruled it would not be a fair trial because of the time that had passed since their removal.

Ms Cubillo will be in the public gallery when the Commonwealth's apology is announced on Wednesday.

However, she says the Prime Minister's decision to rule out compensation for victims, does not bother her.

"Whatever happens, a sorry is okay for me because this is what I waited for and I knew it was going to happen one day and this is my moment," she said.

"People disagree, but that's okay. I'm not asking for anything more, just sorry is good enough."

It is long-standing Labor Party policy to say sorry, and it will be the key word Mr Rudd utters on Wednesday.

But the rest of his speech is still being finalised, along with the plans on how many others will speak and whether an Indigenous Australian will respond.

Manager of Government Business Anthony Albanese says the wording of the apology will be revealed tomorrow.

"We'll be giving formal notice of the motion on Tuesday, so not just the Opposition, but everyone will get to see it in advance," he said.

The apology is set to overshadow the other key political event this week - the introduction of a bill to scrap WorkChoices.

[d3funct]

From todays news. :mad:


I was about to come and reference the exact same thing.

Just like sand through the hourglass... so are the workings of the Australian population.

[Thommo]

Okay, here's one.
Say a big company starts mining some nasty stuff. Thirty years later people are dying from it and it is discovered that the company knew that they were digging up poisonous stuff.
Yet they still do it.
Just say the CEO says, 'well, I wasn't there then, none of my business', and doesn't offer to do anything about it.
I think not.
How is the situation different?
BTW this is a real question, not trying to stir anyone up.
Cheers
Simon

Thanks for asking, the situation is quite different today!
CEO's are held responsible today (James Hardie) yes it took a while but has certainly put things in place to make life very difficult for prospective mining ventures (have you tried to get a mining license lately.......environmental impact statements.......land rights issues.........etc etc)

Yet they still do it you say.............well you may want to freeze in the dark living under a thatched roof but I am more than happy to enjoy the lifestyle to which I have become accustom. Would you have mining banned completely, because that is the only true zero impact method. I think NOT!

Do we offer compensation or say sorry to all the zillions of people disenfranchised by the industrial revolution (about the same time as Australia was being colonised I think). You want to talk about human rights abuses check out some of the horror stories from that period that we inflicted on our own children!

We have learnt much and we continue to learn...........

Would you have our colonial forefathers give up on Australia and pack our bags and go back to the mother country? I think you need to visit Africa to see the big picture. The Colonial masters (France, Spain, Germany, England, Portugal etc) kept Africa in check, yes there were probably just as many instances of poor judgement as here in Oz but at the end of the day Most of the Colonial Masters gave up on their African colonies and look at the mess today. Please do lots of reading about today's Africa before doubting my point.
The only place in Africa that seems to be working (only just) is South Africa which for all its problems has pursued a similar history to Australia where the Colonial Master did not give up and walk away they stayed and worked with them (Hey it took them a bit longer to give everyone the vote but eventually they did). Now lets see what is happening in Kenya! Not to mention Zimbabwe etc.

We have very much gone down the same road as Canada & the USA with their natives. The native of these countries like our own indigenous people do not realise how lucky they do have it (despite the horrible conditions they do endure through no fault of mine). Should the Western Colonial masters not have settled in Nth America or Australia who is to say that a Eastern Master would not have moved in and I bet you anything you like that this argument would not be happening today!

The Western World needed to expand, it had its cost....unfortunate as some of the chapters where...........be warned................the Eastern World is now looking at doing the same thing....................I am prepared to fight to maintain my life style but we will become our own worse enemy through this do-gooder attitude we are bowing to.

Say SORRY, no way!

[Tango51]

Interesting thread, heaps of posts tell me opinions about all sorts of facets of history and race issues but few address the apology issue alone.
If, in the 40's continuing to recent times, authorities did remove children from families unwarranted (ie not because of safety issues) then is an apology called for?
(The current rate of removal of Aboriginal children from homes is 8 times higher than back then, according to a journo on the ABC....and this is welfare concerns.)

[stevo68]

I was on another forum, discussing very similiar subject matter, here is how I view the whole "Sorry" situation: The best analogy that I can provide is as follows: Many years ago, I was running a business and we employed commision only sales people. One bloke turned up, long hair, tattoo's, built like the proverbial brick.....house, but a great energy ( we were in the security alarm business so presentation was everything). I told him to get a hair cut, wear a long sleeve shirt and turn up for work.

Anyway after a couple of mths, he needed a place to stay, I told him he could crash at my house that I shared with my step brother. One night, this man mountain broke down in tears. He had been abused as a child, lived on the streets, had a child that he couldnt get access too, just a very sad tale. My response to him was essentially, yep, bloody awful but what are you going to do about it. That was the past, the future is ahead of you and nobody is holding a gun to your head. He got angry at first and calmed down, he was expecting a sympathetic ear. I also noted to him that not in 100 yrs could I know what his early life had been like, but that was irrespective of what he could do from here.

The business we worked for hit the skids and we went our seperate ways, not long after I got a letter and a picture of him and a little girl. He thanked me for making him realise that he couldnt blame the past for his current and future predicaments. He got his act together, had a good job and a house as opposed to living in a caravan and now had access to his daughter and providing for her.

Thats how I see all the Stolen Generation story, whether they be black, white or purple. Immigrants come here from horrific, 3rd world countries and make a life for themselves. Many people have suffered in one way or another. Its all about the compensation, time these people moved on and got on with their lives. One can recount all sorts of history, reasons, etc etc but at some point self responsibility comes to the fore and it is up to the individual. People with nothing come to our country and make something, whereas people who were born here...black and white....don't see what they truly have.

Regards

Stevo

[B92 8NW]

Thats how I see all the Stolen Generation story, whether they be black, white or purple. Immigrants come here from horrific, 3rd world countries and make a life for themselves. Many people have suffered in one way or another. Its all about the compensation, time these people moved on and got on with their lives. One can recount all sorts of history, reasons, etc etc but at some point self responsibility comes to the fore and it is up to the individual. People with nothing come to our country and make something, whereas people who were born here...black and white....don't see what they truly have.

Regards

Stevo

Absolutely. well said.

[Tango51]

So, exploring this concept....I am thinking of going farming but need some kids to help me manage.
I have good relations with judges, police, government officials.
There is this migrant family with 4 terrific kids.
I'll take the kids. They'll work their guts out, but be well fed clothed and grow up educated at the state school and speaking English.
Sure, it will be traumatic for them and their parents but hey, we all suffer so why not them too?
They will get over it in time. They will learn to move on, or they will whinge about it all their lives.

Have I got it right?
Tango

[shorty943]

Mate the problem in this world are the "do gooders"
I hate the people that like to run the life of others. :mad:
Let do not start again, and change the topic to jokes, it is better for our health :D


OK. here's one for you.

Kevin Bloody Rudd.

Another?

That annoying red head from Adelaide.

Then there is.

Peter Garrett.

The list of jokes is endless.

Saying sorry doesn't cut it for my Grand-mother, or father.
They died years ago.

Saying sorry to me is worth nothing.
I am an injured ex-serviceman, on a pension, that is 25% of the National Weekly Male Average Earnings.
Yes Australia. 100% disability pension, for an injured serviceman or woman, is a lousy 25% of the weekly average, PER FORTNIGHT.

Kevin Rudd, your God damned sorry, sucks.
It's only to make you feel better.

[87County]

fascinating isn't it, that now Brendan Nelson & crew find they can jump on a popular bandwagon that they just couldn't seem to manage that when they were "in power":)

[stevo68]

fascinating isn't it, that now Brendan Nelson & crew find they can jump on a popular bandwagon that they just couldn't seem to manage that when they were "in power":) Hmm, I'd have to disagree with the term "popular" bandwagon, I think you would actually find it to be the "unpopular bandwagon" based on current sentiment. Does anybody actually believe that by saying sorry, that will be the end of it? This is about $$$, and for sure there will be a minority whereby a sorry will suffice. The Government on either side know full well that this be the case, hence why the overall aversion to saying sorry. If anything, the government is hoping that this whole situation will just go away, it wasnt a case of the previous government not managing, it was moreso a case of they knew what the consequences would be. I am a bit over the whole "whoa is me" story. My concern is will my children be revisting this whole scenario in 20+ yrs time due to current goings on with children being removed??

Regards

Stevo

[graceysdad]

Better if we leave this one alone, whos got a joke? how did the 12 Irish sailors die? they tried to push start a sub! hahaha not poking poo at the Collins Class

[cucinadio]

Its not about saying sorry!
Its not about whose wrong or right!
Is not about weather we should be paying for something that ours and every other person’s ancestors did at different times in history!
It’s not about how much we spend on each other in times of there need!

Its about respect for each others situations with out using a color, race, creed, nationality or any other bull**** excuse for making it into something that is essentially about everyone of us !

If it was our mums and dads, you have a different opinion!
If it was your kids, you would have a different opinion!
If it was you backyard, you would have a different opinion!
If it was you, well let me guess, you would have a different opinion!


In my opinion, no one has the right to have an opinion, unless there willing, at the very least, to understand the issues that face others.

I always try to start forming an opinion with the age old analogy

“What if it was me”?

And at the very least, l then have the basis to form an opinion on the subject at hand!!

Just my thoughts on the matter

Cheers

Matthew

[graceysdad]

I have trawled through the replys and think i should let this one out, my dear old dad a former and retired NT copper was one who had to remove children from lets say situations, in the early 70s it was still considered not good for the white fella to have relations with the Aboriginal girls, from the Aboriginal side by tribal law the child of any said relationship could be killed by the tribe and the woman and I am gonna spell this wrong oestracised by her community so it was deemed better if the children were taken, even today the Aboriginals can still excercise tribal law and deal with things in there own way, copping a spear through leg for stealing another fellas beers might sound funny but thats how they deal with things, my dad has had spear lobbed at him and other things and been physically abused but he just did what he was told under the laws of the then regime, he didnt like doing it but thats that. As has been pointed out these kids went onto better things and lives they might not have had in there own communitys, this is money driven, the Canberra times on satdy, a local elder said she was not worried about this sorry buisness she was worried about Aboriginal Soverignty which means owning Australia from top to bottom, once the magic word is uttered by our fearless leader you just sit back and watch the class actions come out the woodwork,

[Chenz]

I heard that windbag Mike Carlton on the radio this morning in Sydney swho said that saying "Sorry" is the first step in improving aboriginal life expectancy, child mortality rates would improve, literacy and numeracy skills will improve, aboriginal health can be addressed............................

Stop the presses - all of the agencies that can provide this improvement are already in place. Paid for by the hard working taxpayer. The problem is they won't avail themselves of the assistance that is there for their benefit. The white community that live in the towns have the same access to these services and prosper through them. Why not the aboriginal community?

If you force them to use them then you are invading thier rights. If you don't we are not looking after them.

This question will never be solved until all Australians are Australians first and Aboriginal, Engish, Catholic or Muslim, second.

The only ones that are going to win out of this are not the poor abused tribal aboriginal kid at some mission but a tribe of lawyers sharpening their wigs to lodge a class action that hard earned tax apyers funds will have to be used to defend instead of being used to further aboriginal health and well being!!!!!

[stevo68]

Its not about saying sorry!
Its not about whose wrong or right!
Is not about weather we should be paying for something that ours and every other person’s ancestors did at different times in history!
It’s not about how much we spend on each other in times of there need!

Its about respect for each others situations with out using a color, race, creed, nationality or any other bull**** excuse for making it into something that is essentially about everyone of us !

If it was our mums and dads, you have a different opinion!
If it was your kids, you would have a different opinion!
If it was you backyard, you would have a different opinion!
If it was you, well let me guess, you would have a different opinion!


In my opinion, no one has the right to have an opinion, unless there willing, at the very least, to understand the issues that face others.

I always try to start forming an opinion with the age old analogy

“What if it was me”?

And at the very least, l then have the basis to form an opinion on the subject at hand!!

Just my thoughts on the matter

Cheers

Matthew
Well thats all very well and good mate, but whats your opinion, no point putting that up without actually expressing where ya sit :D. At the end of the day, whilst all very nice, people will have opinions no matter whether based on fact, emotion, hearsay etc. What you are stating is pretty obvious. Bit like my previous analogy, one might not understand what it is like to be in anothers shoes, but have empathy or sympathy for it, but if you have enough education and life experience, one generally has a pretty good idea of how to move forward. We could all put up something that has been "bad" in our past, or our parents, or our ancestors etc.

Bit like you see sometimes people in their latter years blaming something that happened 40 years ago for where they are today. Bollocks, its nothing but an excuse, where you are at today is choice ( for the average, 2 legged, 2 armed, got a brain kinda person). In life, communities, cultures etc etc there are people who are sinkers and swimmers, your choice. In line with this whole theme, I had two mates who were studying to be doctors, one was a full blood aborigine and the other was about 2/5ths. Now for sure they did have advantages over some of my other mates who were doing the same degree in medicine, but forgetting that, at least they were doing something with their lives...and in my eyes no different to anyone else making something of their life,

Regards

Stevo

[BigJon]

That annoying red head from Adelaide.



Which one is that?

[shorty943]

Which one is that?


:D:D yeah, there seem to be a few.:(

But, I meant the Clayton's Prime Minister.

[RonMcGr]

fascinating isn't it, that now Brendan Nelson & crew find they can jump on a popular bandwagon that they just couldn't seem to manage that when they were "in power":)

Popular??

You have to be kidding!

[drivesafe]

AUSTRALIAN APOLOGY TO THE ABORIGINAL POPULATION

We apologise for giving you doctors and free medical care, which allows you to survive and multiply so that you can demand apologies.
We apologise for helping you to read and teaching you the English language and thus we opened up to you the entire European civilisation, thought and enterprise.

We feel that we must apologise for building hundreds of homes for you, which you have vandalised and destroyed.

We apologise for giving you law and order which has helped prevent you from slaughtering one another and using the unfortunate for food purposes.

We apologise for developing large farms and properties, which today feed you people, where before, you had the benefits of living off the land and starving during droughts.

We apologise for providing you with warm clothing made of fabric to replace that animal skins/dogs you used before.

We apologise for building roads and railway tracks between cities and building cars so that you no longer have to walk over harsh terrain.

We apologise for paying off your vehicle when you fail to pay the installments.

We apologise for giving you free travel anywhere, whenever.

We apologise for giving each and every member of your family $100.00 and free travel to attend an aboriginal funeral.

We apologise for not charging you rent on any lands when white people have to pay.

We apologise for giving you interest free loans.

We apologise for developing oil wells and minerals, including gold and diamonds which you never used and had no idea of their value.

We apologise for developing Ayers Rock and Kakadu, and handing them over to you so that you get all the money.

We apologise for allowing taxpayers money paid towards daughters' wedding ($8,000.00 each daughter)

We apologise for giving you $1.7 billion per year for your 250,000 people, which is $48,000.00 per aboriginal man, woman and child.

We apologise for working hard to pay taxes that finance your welfare, medical care, education, etc to the tune of $1.2 billion each year.

We apologise for you having to approach the aboriginal affairs department to verify the above figures, for the trouble you will have identifying the "uncle toms" in your own community who are getting richer and leaving some of you living in squalor and poverty.

We do apologise.

We really do.

We humbly beg your forgiveness for all the above sins.

We are only too happy to take back all the above and return you to the paradise of the "outback", whenever you are ready.

[spudboy]

Is all that true DriveSafe? Never heard about the $8000 for a wedding before - doesn't seem right, but what do I know.......:(

[dirtdawg]

all true and then some

[cucinadio]

[QUOTE]Well thats all very well and good mate, but whats your opinion, no point putting that up without actually expressing where ya sit :D.

Where do l sit? well in my opinion saying sorry doesn't do anything but admit the fault of the Australian Government at the time in do the wrong thing, anymore than parents of the day forcing their kids to go to Sunday school, its a pretty simple way at looking at it but thats what lm saying, if we look at these things with an open mind and a k.i.s.s attitude we would all be better off

cheers

[RonMcGr]

[QUOTE=stevo68;688545].

Where do l sit? well in my opinion saying sorry doesn't do anything but admit the fault of the Australian Government at the time in do the wrong thing, anymore than parents of the day forcing their kids to go to Sunday school, its a pretty simple way at looking at it but thats what lm saying if we look at these things with an open mind and a k.i.s.s attitude we would all be better off

cheers

So that is what you were trying to say :D

[cucinadio]

[QUOTE=cucinadio;688632]

So that is what you were trying to say :D


:D:D:p

cheers

[Xavie]

Just got an email from something called "get up" they would like large donations so as to get elders from N.T. down to Canberra so they can hear the apology in person.

It costs approx $1000 for each one to get there.... I have to admit that I think they may end up flooded with money who ever this organisation is.

Xavier

[Tango51]

Is that long list of government assistances saying that the Government has purchased the Stolen Generations, somehow has the right to forcibly remove children because of monies spent?
If not, what is the relevance?
If you aren't happy about the decisions of the democratically elected administration on these issues write letters to your local member.
Posting it on a 4by forum seeking approval isn't going to create any change.
Staying on subject will earn a little respect maybe.

[RonMcGr]

If you aren't happy about the decisions of the democratically elected administration

How true!!!

You get what you vote for... :Rolling::Rolling::Rolling::Rolling::Rolling:

[100I]

And all this time I thought I lived in the best country on the planet.
I'm not so smug anymore these days.
I'm a little bit worried.

[CraigE]

Just got an email from something called "get up" they would like large donations so as to get elders from N.T. down to Canberra so they can hear the apology in person.

It costs approx $1000 for each one to get there.... I have to admit that I think they may end up flooded with money who ever this organisation is.

Xavier
Ok if these people are so traditional, let them do it the traditional way and walk.:eek:
All saying sorry is going to do is open the flood gates for compensation. Most of the clowns doing the talking are about as aboriginal as I am. It is one huge scam about getting paid for doing nothing, again.
With the money that has gone into ATSIC every aboriginal in Australia should be well off. About time the took some responsability instead of blaming everyone else.
And yes there are some fantastic hard working aboriginals that I pride myself to call friends and some traditionalists.

[BigJon]

How true!!!

You get what you vote for... :Rolling::Rolling::Rolling::Rolling::Rolling:

Not this time. I have been lumbered with what other people voted for!

[Panda]

This is just one of the many posts that have said exactly what I feel - couldn't have said it better myself.
Don't get me started:mad:

In my opinion, it's a load of beeswax.


Ok if these people are so traditional, let them do it the traditional way and walk.:eek:
All saying sorry is going to do is open the flood gates for compensation. Most of the clowns doing the talking are about as aboriginal as I am. It is one huge scam about getting paid for doing nothing, again.
With the money that has gone into ATSIC every aboriginal in Australia should be well off. About time the took some responsability instead of blaming everyone else.
And yes there are some fantastic hard working aboriginals that I pride myself to call friends and some traditionalists.

[Rovernaut]

AUSTRALIAN APOLOGY TO THE ABORIGINAL POPULATION

We apologise for giving you doctors and free medical care, which allows you to survive and multiply so that you can demand apologies.
We apologise for helping you to read and teaching you the English language and thus we opened up to you the entire European civilisation, thought and enterprise.

We feel that we must apologise for building hundreds of homes for you, which you have vandalised and destroyed.

We apologise for giving you law and order which has helped prevent you from slaughtering one another and using the unfortunate for food purposes.

We apologise for developing large farms and properties, which today feed you people, where before, you had the benefits of living off the land and starving during droughts.

We apologise for providing you with warm clothing made of fabric to replace that animal skins/dogs you used before.

We apologise for building roads and railway tracks between cities and building cars so that you no longer have to walk over harsh terrain.

We apologise for paying off your vehicle when you fail to pay the installments.

We apologise for giving you free travel anywhere, whenever.

We apologise for giving each and every member of your family $100.00 and free travel to attend an aboriginal funeral.

We apologise for not charging you rent on any lands when white people have to pay.

We apologise for giving you interest free loans.

We apologise for developing oil wells and minerals, including gold and diamonds which you never used and had no idea of their value.

We apologise for developing Ayers Rock and Kakadu, and handing them over to you so that you get all the money.

We apologise for allowing taxpayers money paid towards daughters' wedding ($8,000.00 each daughter)

We apologise for giving you $1.7 billion per year for your 250,000 people, which is $48,000.00 per aboriginal man, woman and child.

We apologise for working hard to pay taxes that finance your welfare, medical care, education, etc to the tune of $1.2 billion each year.

We apologise for you having to approach the aboriginal affairs department to verify the above figures, for the trouble you will have identifying the "uncle toms" in your own community who are getting richer and leaving some of you living in squalor and poverty.

We do apologise.

We really do.

We humbly beg your forgiveness for all the above sins.

We are only too happy to take back all the above and return you to the paradise of the "outback", whenever you are ready.


And I thought I withdrew that post??????
:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: :eek:

[ellard]

We are only too happy to take back all the above and return you to the paradise of the "outback", whenever you are ready.

I agree - bring it on.....

Wayne

[Redback]

If we were saying sorry to the white generation of stolen family members and there were a few in the 40s and 50s, would we be so critical of the government, or would we be praising them for having the guts to do it.......................I wonder:confused:

Just a thought!!!

Baz.

[stevo68]

If we were saying sorry to the white generation of stolen family members and there were a few in the 40s and 50s, would we be so critical of the government, or would we be praising them for have the guts to do it.......................I wonder:confused:

Just a thought!!!

Baz.
I think that is the difference, there was some 400-500,000 white australians over a period from what I have read, and is there the malacky that is going on now from their sons/daughters/ grand children?? Also I think the ire is raised as it isnt so much about "sorry" I think the average Aussie would be fine either way, it is moreso the itching for compensation claims that is the turnoff, IMHO,

Regards

Stevo

[HSVRangie]

EXCLUSIVE: ALL Victorian schools have been urged to watch the historic apology to stolen generations and fly the Aboriginal flag tomorrow.

Education Minister Bronwyn Pike has issued an open letter to Victoria's schools, encouraging them to hold assemblies so students can watch the Federal Government's apology live at 8.55 am.

In a letter sent to principals, Ms Pike has urged schools to:

HOLD a school assembly to acknowledge and watch the apology

HOLD a flag-raising ceremony with the Australian, Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander flags.

PAY respect to the traditional owners of the land on which the school stands through a Welcome to Country speech, or invite a representative of the local indigenous community to do the welcome.

Ms Pike said teachers should spend the day initiating student discussion about the apology and reconciliation.

Rudd says he wants apology to be right for Aborigines | Herald Sun (http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23200221-661,00.html)

[rick130]

I think that is the difference, there was some 400-500,000 white australians over a period from what I have read, and is there the malacky that is going on now from their sons/daughters/ grand children?? Also I think the ire is raised as it isnt so much about "sorry" I think the average Aussie would be fine either way, it is moreso the itching for compensation claims that is the turnoff, IMHO,

Regards

Stevo


ding ding ding we have a winner.

[Tango51]

Xavier-----------
Ok if these people are so traditional, let them do it the traditional way and walk.

**************Tango says
Relevance? I do not understand the comment here at all?
Are you saying Aboriginals didn't invent the car so they can't use them?
YOU get out and walk, the French invented the car, mon ami.
------------------------------------

All saying sorry is going to do is open the flood gates for compensation. Most of the clowns doing the talking are about as aboriginal as I am.
*******Tango says
So NON WHITES VICTIMS can't claim? Or WHITE VICTIMS can't claim??
Blame the courts as Rudd has said that is where compensation claims have to go.....or don't you want a justice system?
Perhaps you would be happier with a dictatorship like Hitler organised and disenfanchise certain members of our society from the Justice system?
---------------------

It is one huge scam about getting paid for doing nothing, again.<
*******************Tango says
Er, they had their CHILDREN forcibly removed....kidnapped.
--------------------------
With the money that has gone into ATSIC every aboriginal in Australia should be well off.
************Tango says
>How is it the parents fault that ATSIC mismanages taxes....just like most departments of Government?

---------------Xavier
About time the took some responsability instead of blaming everyone else
.
****************Tango says
< How do you take responsibility for having police forcibly remove children on a basis of skin colour?

---------------------------Xavier says
And yes there are some fantastic hard working aboriginals that I pride myself to call friends and some traditionalists.


**********************Tango says
>Uh huh. Remarkable how often I find this tag after a rant like the above.

[Dave_S]

I’m sorry so many who have posted on this thread have not taken the time to do a little research and try to understand the real background and issues involved here.

I’m sorry that so many of you base your opinions on hearsay, propaganda and half truths.

I’m sorry that you chose to live in fear and ignorance.

I’m so very glad that the vast majority of AULRO members have the common sense and decency to ignore your sad, self righteous views.

[moose]

Tango says
Er, they had their CHILDREN forcibly removed....kidnapped.

As was said, lots of white people had their children removed as well, and still do.


Tango says
< How do you take responsibility for having police forcibly remove children on a basis of skin colour?

I would dearly love to see your proof on the claim of "removed for racist reasons" which is the core of the whole thing.
Have a read here:Truth is what was stolen | Herald Sun (http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23177816-25717,00.html)

[barney]

well the motto for 2007 was "Kevin '07", so i guess the motto this year is "Rudd, a sorry excuse for a PM"
i wonder if it will catch on!

[Tango51]

A newspaper? An article by a journo in the Herald Sun?


Have a good long read here...
Bringing them Home - Home Page (http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/special/rsjproject/rsjlibrary/hreoc/stolen/)

Bringing Them Home Oral History Project (http://www.nla.gov.au/oh/bth/)

http://www.atsic.gov.au/issues/bringing_them_home/bringhome/main_page.htm

http://www.atsic.gov.au/issues/bringing_them_home/bringhome/main_page.htm

[Tango51]

A handful of examples do not eradicate the claims of thousands<....on Andrew Bolt.

You can't have it both ways, either it happened as policy and should be apologized for, or it happened without a policy and therefore should be apologized for.....and thousands of police and church members and government officials and so on should be charged and hauled into court.

I fail to see the racist remarks of "Oh but it has happened to whites too" as changing anything.
The point is, we are in a country where we don't want it to happen to ANYBODY and until we acknowledge it we can't change it.

[Tango51]

Following Andrew Bolt's logic, Kevin Rudd and his administration with all the knowledge and historical facts and records and inquiries at their disposal has chosen to apologize for events that never took place.

Please.

[isuzurover]

There is little logic in any of the extreme right wing dribble that bolt comes out with - none of his columns can ever be considered unbiased:

from wikipedia.

He is sceptical of the hypothesis of a racially motivated Stolen Generation of Australian Aborigines, argues that the dangers of global warming have been greatly exaggerated, and supported the Iraq War in 2003.

...

Bolt has frequently clashed with Robert Manne, Professor of Politics at La Trobe University, notably about the Stolen Generation. Bolt claims that there were no large-scale removals of children "for purely racist reasons". After Bolt challenged Manne to "name just 10" children stolen for racial reasons,[10] Manne gave him a list of 12 names which, Bolt contends, includes children rescued from sexual abuse and removed for other humanitarian reasons.[11] Manne has recently argued that Bolt's failure to address the wealth of documentary and anecdotal evidence demonstrating the existence of the Stolen Generation amounts to a clear case of historical denialism[12].

[Col]

Aboriginal people say they are the traditional owners of this country. If this is so why is there art work in Northern Australia that these people do not recognise. So who were the first to occupy this land and were they wiped out.
Secondly they say they want equal rights, so if you are on social security or a pension and you work or obtain any money your entitlement will be cut back but not so with them. They can earn money from paintings and royalties with no affect.
Thirdly if you want a house you have to work and get a loan to buy it and maintain it at your cost so why do we build houses for Aboriginal people at taxpayers expense and see them destroyed within 2 to 3 years so where does equal rights come into it, this is only a few items that not many people hear about, the list goes on and on.

[moose]

I fail to see the racist remarks of "Oh but it has happened to whites too" as changing anything.


Ok, so it's fine for aboriginals to claim it, but as soon as it's stated that whites have been removed too, it's a racist remark?

[Tango51]

Ok, so it's fine for aboriginals to claim it, but as soon as it's stated that whites have been removed too, it's a racist remark?

I would like to think you are either being obtuse or are struggling to keep up but....I don't think that is the case here.
You have made that quote from my posting DIRECTLY above
<The point is, we are in a country where we don't want it to happen to ANYBODY and until we acknowledge it we can't change it.>
Therefore, you are choosing to ignore the fact that it is racist to indicate one as different from the other.
It is no less of an abhorrence that it happened to anyone's child. If it happened to yours, you would want an apology and you would howl the rooftops down for compensation.
Say you wouldn't.

[moose]

You're exactly right, it's racist to think one is different from the other. So where is the sorry/compensation for the white children taken.

[isuzurover]

You're exactly right, it's racist to think one is different from the other. So where is the sorry/compensation for the white children taken.


Wtf are you on about???

AFAIK...

The only white children I am aware of that were taken from their parents were done so because their parents were deemed unfit (rightly or wrongly).

However aboriginal kids were taken from their parents because of their race - especially those who were part white, and it was deemed they would be able to "integrate" into white society.

There is a bit of difference.

Also - until the LATE 60s, Aboriginies were counted on the census under FLORA AND FAUNA, rather than as people!!! I think that alone deserves an apology by the government. http://asset0.aiatsis.gov.au:1801/webclient/StreamGate?folder_id=0&dvs=1202804388635~812


Like DaveS, I'm Sorry that many of you seem too closed minded to consider the facts. Please let's close this thread or just let it die before it gets any worse...

[WildOne]

I'm new to this country, having come from 2 other countries that were colonised, industrialised and returned to their traditional people. I'm used to differant racial groups accusing each other of things that have been done to them by the other..............................i'm now of the opinion "GET OVER IT!!!"
Some peoples actions will always be a mistake in other peoples minds, such is the way of life. We all need to take what knowledge we can from the past, learn from it, and move on!!!

This country is one of the nicest and most successfull countries on earth to live in, it's people, be they Aborigional, Caucasian, indian, third generation, migrant (like me) or from bloody mars, once here are Australian and should work for the better of their country. People here in Oz in the current economic climate have opportunities second to none yet some continue to sit on their **** and expect handouts (centrelink and the like) on the basis of "i deserve it cause i'm australian".

Those born here as australians should realise how lucky they are and embrace their future, not dwell on the past pointing fingures at each other.

[RonMcGr]

Well, Krudd has done it this time!
The retard indends to say, "Sorry for all the pain and suffering". :mad:

Well, those are the exact words used in compensation cases...

"You get what you vote for"..:eek:
Mind you I won't say "I told you so" :D:D:D:D:D

YET! :D:D:D:D
It will get worse..

[101 Ron]

I am up set about the information being fed to our young kids at school.
It seems to be a one sided version of events.
What ever happen to the 3 Rs.

[ScrubPleb]

You're exactly right, it's racist to think one is different from the other. So where is the sorry/compensation for the white children taken.

No white child was ever taken for not being white enough.

[4bee]

Aboriginal people say they are the traditional owners of this country. If this is so why is there art work in Northern Australia that these people do not recognise. So who were the first to occupy this land and were they wiped out.



This has been discussed on AULRO a little while back & it seems that before the Aboriginals there was a race of a Pygmy type, indeed, there was a photo on the linked website taken in the 1930s of one, but I cannot locate it for the mo.

Indonesia or whatever it was called then, is where they allegedly originated before the land bridge opened up.

It was stated that the Aborigines as we know them, over ran them & pushed them out & then they became the 2nd "owners".

I wonder if they in turn, felt the need to say "Sorry"?;)

[RonMcGr]

No white child was ever taken for not being white enough.

What??

Probably more white children were taken than half-caste blacks! The white were taken by the Churches, supposedly to give the poor kid a better life than a single parent could??

The half-castes ( in a lot of circumstances)were taken away so that the tribe did not kill them!

[drumcounsellor]

Wow, Andrew Bolt and Pauline Hanson being cited as authorities!! What a truly sad indictment on this forum.

I doubt most of you have read the 'bringing them home report', as highlighted by a previous poster, so you're more than likely spouting your redneck idiocy from a position of total ignorance - what a surprise that is!!:eek:

Lets just say that attempting some moral equivalence between the isolated removal of white children, and the systematic removal of Aboriginal children, is highly intellectually dishonest.

I've seen first hand the devastation this policy has had on members of the indigenous community, and am so saddened by comments here attempting to minimise the trauma. You should be ashamed.

Until you've had a child pinched in the dead of night as part of a systematic policy, then you're probably not in a position to comment.

[CraigE]

Xavier-----------
Ok if these people are so traditional, let them do it the traditional way and walk.

**************Tango says
Relevance? I do not understand the comment here at all?
Are you saying Aboriginals didn't invent the car so they can't use them?
YOU get out and walk, the French invented the car, mon ami.
------------------------------------

All saying sorry is going to do is open the flood gates for compensation. Most of the clowns doing the talking are about as aboriginal as I am.
*******Tango says
So NON WHITES VICTIMS can't claim? Or WHITE VICTIMS can't claim??
Blame the courts as Rudd has said that is where compensation claims have to go.....or don't you want a justice system?
Perhaps you would be happier with a dictatorship like Hitler organised and disenfanchise certain members of our society from the Justice system?
---------------------

It is one huge scam about getting paid for doing nothing, again.<
*******************Tango says
Er, they had their CHILDREN forcibly removed....kidnapped.
--------------------------
With the money that has gone into ATSIC every aboriginal in Australia should be well off.
************Tango says
>How is it the parents fault that ATSIC mismanages taxes....just like most departments of Government?

---------------Xavier
About time the took some responsability instead of blaming everyone else
.
****************Tango says
< How do you take responsibility for having police forcibly remove children on a basis of skin colour?

---------------------------Xavier says
And yes there are some fantastic hard working aboriginals that I pride myself to call friends and some traditionalists.


**********************Tango says
>Uh huh. Remarkable how often I find this tag after a rant like the above.
Mate all of the above is BS.
Firstly it was a German that invented the car.
If they are so intense in their beliefs they should not need anything the whiteman made.
You are way off base as I believe in equality for all races. If most of these kids had been left with their families they would be dead or destitute. Instead because most of them were removed they are now educated and only after monetary gain. It has nothing to do with an apology.
I have to say you are a total Tosser to rant like this. I respect anyone that has respect for themselves and other people, those that do not are not given the time of day.
ATSIC was allegedly run by aboriginal leaders and some were made very rich and squandered millions, go into the desert and see some of the modern housing that cost a fortune to be built in a remote area destroyed.
As for your kidnapping claim there are heaps of whites who have suffered similar or worse.
MM, how was Australia populated?? By a harsh English government.
You can take my last statement how you will and by the sound of it you are either taking it as a blleding heart who does not know anyone in this boat or someone who has been in this boat and has a huge chip on their shoulder. But I do know and respect working and non working aboriginal people who have respect for themselves and their culture and have plenty of time for them. I have no time what so ever for these bludgers who do not want to be a contributing member of our society and only want compensation, because this is exactly what it comes down to.
Even today go and look at the squalor these people choose to live in. They are given and offered everything at the taxpayers expense, but choose not to make a go of it. Do not get me wrong there are many white people the same and or in the same boat.
For stating the obvious you are insinuating I am a racist when in fact it is you who is the racist, because you belive that aboriginal hardship and historical wrong doings should take precedence over all other races.

[ScrubPleb]

What??

Probably more white children were taken than half-caste blacks! The white were taken by the Churches, supposedly to give the poor kid a better life than a single parent could??

The half-castes ( in a lot of circumstances)were taken away so that the tribe did not kill them!

No government ever sent cops to white communities to systematically check the children's skin colour to decide weather or not to take them away. I have spoken to two ex-cops who worked in Cape York and the Gulf in the early 50's. Both said that they were sometimes sent out on patrol with the instruction,"Round up the half-cast kids and bring them in."
The fact that the half-cast kids existed means that they had not been killed by the tribe.
Kevin Rudd can't, and is not, saying sorry for what the churches got up to. That's up to the churches.