Landrover Discovery TD5

[andsue]

We are looking at purchasing a 2004 TD5 Diesel auto and wanted to find out if they are a good vehicle. We currently own a Nissan Patrol with a lift etc but want something more suitable for touring and towing our camper trailer. We have been told if you chip the diesel they have heaps of horse power when towing we are looking at an automatic. Also wanted to know what they are like as an offroad vehicle.

[Chucaro]

Mate if you like doing preventative maintenance (which in my opinion you have to do with any machine regardless of type or brand) you are not going to find better capable vehicle for off road work and their economy is beyond believe considering their weight.
2004/04 are good models and here in the forum other members which are more familiar than me with the TD5 are going to give you some tips about vehicle selection. ( I have the Tdi300)
You are going to hearing many nasty histories about Land Rovers but many of their problems is due to luck of preventative maintenance. Get familiar with the vehicle, do not be timid in learning who to do some jobs and you are going to be very happy.
By the way parts are heaps cheaper than Nissan, Toyota and Jeep.
Cheers and see you in the road.

[tempestv8]

Granted, the Discovery II TD5 has a 3500 kg tow capacity and a 250 kg down weight on the tow ball, it should make a good towing machine. However, whilst I'm a Land Rover enthusiast, I'm wondering why you picked a Discovery?

The Discovery's turning circle isn't exactly what I would describe as "tight". This could be a source of frustration if you are like me, and not terribly good at reversing, and thus needing lots of steering lock.

Whilst I drive a V8, the TD5 is no power house. With something like 340 NM of torque and about 101 kW, a chip is definitely required to get some more horses under the bonnet just for better overtaking, let alone towing. You'll find that if you go for a chip that outputs significant amounts, the auto transmission won't like it, and can often go into "limp home" mode if too much torque is fed through it.

Also, as auto transmissions go, it's only a 4 speeder, so the spread of ratios is pretty wide. Which means that in some speeds below 100 km/hr, the transmission will be shifting in and out between top gear and 3rd gear. The revving of the motor at higher revs (circa 3000 rpm) can sound harsh compared to other diesels and drive you to distraction.

If you tow long distances, you'll find that you'll get tired faster with the steering of the Disco, which is at best, vague. This is the price you pay for solid front axle and no rack and pinion steering. But the good side is that it's a reasonably tough driveline, and the auto gearbox tends to be fairly bullet proof, hoses excepted.

As a Land Rover enthusiast, would I buy a TD5 Discovery for towing? Probably not. Sorry, I know you've probably got your heart set on one and just want to sound it out. But I'm thinking that there are probably better alternatives out there. For the same asking price, I would probably get a 2006 FORD RANGER PJ XL Crew Cab Utility Dual Cab 4dr Auto - it has a ripper 3.0 diesel motor built by Mazda that will tow a lot better, and there's probably a Ford dealer nearby if you happen to break down. Not so good if you breakdown in a small town and there's no Land Rover dealer for miles.

Or if I wanted to buy something new, the Hyundai Terracan turbo diesel is drive out the door for around $35K. Check out the size of the rear diff - it's definitely very very strong. The 2.9 litre turbo diesel has also won quite a lot of friends with it's good reputation. But dealer network isn't as good as Ford (or indeed Toyota).

Anyway, I'll probably get banned for recommending a competitor's product, but so be it. I like my Land Rover, but I must be a sucker for punishment because I've had to put in a new motor in it already after only 190,000 kms, so whilst I like the brand, Land Rovers are not really built all that well.

[tempestv8]

Oh, I should say that the 2004 Disco II were the last of the build and probably the best in the way of build quality, and it's also the last Discovery with solid axles front and rear. In a way, it's a true "tough truck", and heralds the end of a generation of Land Rovers that were relatively simple and tough.

Sure there is the Defender still soldering on with solid axles front and rear, but since Land Rover don't have one with an auto gearbox, it cuts out a lot of potential customers.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Granted, the Discovery II TD5 has a 3500 kg tow capacity and a 250 kg down weight on the tow ball, it should make a good towing machine. However, whilst I'm a Land Rover enthusiast, I'm wondering why you picked a Discovery?

The Discovery's turning circle isn't exactly what I would describe as "tight". This could be a source of frustration if you are like me, and not terribly good at reversing, and thus needing lots of steering lock.

Whilst I drive a V8, the TD5 is no power house. With something like 340 NM of torque and about 101 kW, a chip is definitely required to get some more horses under the bonnet just for better overtaking, let alone towing. You'll find that if you go for a chip that outputs significant amounts, the auto transmission won't like it, and can often go into "limp home" mode if too much torque is fed through it.

Also, as auto transmissions go, it's only a 4 speeder, so the spread of ratios is pretty wide. Which means that in some speeds below 100 km/hr, the transmission will be shifting in and out between top gear and 3rd gear. The revving of the motor at higher revs (circa 3000 rpm) can sound harsh compared to other diesels and drive you to distraction.

If you tow long distances, you'll find that you'll get tired faster with the steering of the Disco, which is at best, vague. This is the price you pay for solid front axle and no rack and pinion steering. But the good side is that it's a reasonably tough driveline, and the auto gearbox tends to be fairly bullet proof, hoses excepted.

As a Land Rover enthusiast, would I buy a TD5 Discovery for towing? Probably not. Sorry, I know you've probably got your heart set on one and just want to sound it out. But I'm thinking that there are probably better alternatives out there. For the same asking price, I would probably get a 2006 FORD RANGER PJ XL Crew Cab Utility Dual Cab 4dr Auto - it has a ripper 3.0 diesel motor built by Mazda that will tow a lot better, and there's probably a Ford dealer nearby if you happen to break down. Not so good if you breakdown in a small town and there's no Land Rover dealer for miles.

Or if I wanted to buy something new, the Hyundai Terracan turbo diesel is drive out the door for around $35K. Check out the size of the rear diff - it's definitely very very strong. The 2.9 litre turbo diesel has also won quite a lot of friends with it's good reputation. But dealer network isn't as good as Ford (or indeed Toyota).

Anyway, I'll probably get banned for recommending a competitor's product, but so be it. I like my Land Rover, but I must be a sucker for punishment because I've had to put in a new motor in it already after only 190,000 kms, so whilst I like the brand, Land Rovers are not really built all that well.


Huh?

[Phil633]

If you tow long distances, you'll find that you'll get tired faster with the steering of the Disco, which is at best, vague.

There is nothing vague in the steering of my Disco:confused:
Mines a 2000 TD5 auto and it tows alright, and it is not chipped yet.
It's a personal thing, obviously some people like them some don't .

I love mine, wouldn't swap it.:)

[dobbo]

There is nothing vague in the steering of my Disco:confused:
Mines a 2000 TD5 auto and it tows alright, and it is not chipped yet.
It's a personal thing, obviously some people like them some don't .

I love mine, wouldn't swap it.:)


Likewise

Up until the point the horse world went into total shutdown I was constantly towing bloody horse floats, to pony club, One day events, etc.... If the TD5 Automatic Disco is so crap at towing how come a vast majority of people at these events either use TD5 Disco's or LandCruisers to tow their horses up and down the country? And 99% of them are stock standard vehicles.

Like others have said if the vehicle is properly serviced and maintained it will be a very reliable comfortable tow vehicle.

[5teve]

i'd agree with the above...

as far as a 2.5 tonne truck goes i think its as close to a car as you can get handling wise. I have a chip which im told outputs around 140kw and it has transformed the motor. the auto box now doesnt hunt half as much neither does it kick down when you boot it on the freeway as it has the power to take off without it.

the 2004 has the CDL fitted too.. so thats a bonus over the 2001/2 model.

i tow a 1800kg boat on a twin axle trailer and to be honest i hardly notice it. it becomes a little more sluggish but nothing too bad, it doesnt bob around or anything. i guess there are the v8 people and the td5 people... fors and againsts on both... but i know i would go the deisel every time now (10 - 12L / 100ks is a persuader!)

Turning circle isnt great... but what do i care as i cant remember the last time i needed to do a full turn in one go.

if you do searches on here there are plenty of good and bad things said about disco's but then again go on to the nissan / toyota forums and you will get the same.. people go to forums for help and to vent so you normally get to see that bad side of most manufacturers.

im pretty sure most people would agree they will go everywhere the nissan would go (and i think the nissans are held in fairly high regard here) and they are fairly comfortable and refined as far as 4x4's of that 'age' go (comparing against the high end ones).

best thing to do is go find one... take it for a drive and make your own mind up, oh and have a look just how many are running around. if they were that bad then why are there sooo many? :D

just as a side note.. the terracan has only got 2.5t / 200kg ball limit or 250kg with suspension upgrade and the ranger has 2.5t (1.8t for 2.5td) with no ball weight quoted so could be as little as 150kg or as the disco is 250kg.

hope this helps :)

Steve

[disco2hse]

I got one, an HSE model (except the NZ distributors didn't buy them in with the CDL - most annoying). It's great and all the good things people have said are true, and yes it will require some regular maintenance(comes out of its 3 year warranty end of next month). Pulls the boat (around 3+ tonnes) and is really comfy on long hauls.

Does around 750km on a full tank of gas but the engine isn't really run yet (only 51000 k's on the clock).

You can't go wrong, but make certain you get it pre-purchase checked and have a careful look over the service history. There are some lemons from what I hear.

[Chucaro]

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Or if I wanted to buy something new, the Hyundai Terracan turbo diesel is drive out the door for around $35K. Check out the size of the rear diff - it's definitely very very strong. The 2.9 litre turbo diesel has also won quite a lot of friends with it's good reputation. But dealer network isn't as good as Ford (or indeed Toyota).

Anyway, I'll probably get banned for recommending a competitor's product, but so be it. I like my Land Rover, but I must be a sucker for punishment because I've had to put in a new motor in it already after only 190,000 kms, so whilst I like the brand, Land Rovers are not really built all that well.

Mate, with all my respects, the Terracan is not in the same league of the Disco, by all means recommend him staying with the Nissan or go to Toyota Land Cruiser or perhaps the Prado. The Terracan is in the small Mitsubishi class. Very low ground clearance and the suspension is a shocker.

[jmkoffice]

Yep, I back up all comments above except for the Hyundai recommendation.

One thing to consider, the torque converter mount plate is a weak point in the auto driveline. Chipping will pump extra power through the driveline and then towing will cause extra stress on this component over time. A symptom of this failure is excessive vibration from the gearbox area as the torque converter goes out of balance due to sheared mount bolts etc. A new torque converter is around $4000.

Another thing to consider is a reputable “Extended Manufacturers Warranty” I purchased an AWN warranty and it has well and truly payed for itself.

Good luck!

[tempestv8]

Mate, with all my respects, the Terracan is not in the same league of the Disco, by all means recommend him staying with the Nissan or go to Toyota Land Cruiser or perhaps the Prado. The Terracan is in the small Mitsubishi class. Very low ground clearance and the suspension is a shocker.

Agreed. The Terracan has an average ramp over angle due to a low hanging transfer case. But since their requirement is long distance towing or touring it would be fine. There is nothing intrinsically wrong with it, and it's good value.

Someone mentioned the poor suspension on the Terracan. I've also read the same, so obviously some of us are subscribing to the same magazines. I'm going by the comments from a colleague who fits the same bill - he has a Jayco camper, wants to tow long distances on the bitumen and a little bit of dirt road, wants something cheap and reliable. He's had other makes of 4x4s and is quite happy with the Terracan.

He has even taken it offroading in Toolangi and keeping in mind with it's limitations, he's kept up with all the other makes that his friends drive.

[tempestv8]

We are looking at purchasing a 2004 TD5 Diesel auto and wanted to find out if they are a good vehicle. We currently own a Nissan Patrol with a lift etc but want something more suitable for touring and towing our camper trailer. We have been told if you chip the diesel they have heaps of horse power when towing we are looking at an automatic. Also wanted to know what they are like as an offroad vehicle.

Andsue,

Just out of curiosity, which Nissan Patrol model do you have and which motor?

I've always looked favourably at Nissans, but when you said towing, that really changes the usage suitability of these vehicles. The 2.8 turbo six cylinder, quite frankly, needs to be driven quite hard just to tow. The ZD30, I wouldn't touch, as the root cause of the piston melt downs still has not been resolved. The latest CRD version of that engine suffers high fuel consumption. The venerable 4.2TD only comes in manual but if you like a manual, then you need to spend lots of dosh to get it to really perform, but in stock form, it will probably last a lifetime if the correct oil is used.

Having recently purchased a camper myself, my views on 4x4s and their suitability for my needs which now includes towing, has changed a fair bit compared to when I was just packing everything into the back of the vehicle and driving solo.

No doubt you are going through a somewhat similar process.

[zulu Delta 534]

I am an "oldie" who has been through the stage of life where everything has had to be suspension modified and performance modified and am now happy to buy a factory made item that will do the job I want. This generally means a bit of shopping round and a lot of testing.
My stock standard 2001 Disco has admirably served the purpose of family runabout and tow vehicle, towing a Caravan weighing around 2 tonnes for around 100,000k's and the only real problems I have had in its 180,000k lifetime are a collapsed engine mount (RHS) (and mechs tell me that this is because of the added torque reaction when towing), and some minor electric faults that were easily fixed with a little bit of common sense thinking.
It is a very comfortable car to drive, and my biggest problem in the replacement stakes, is how many creature comforts am I prepared to lose.
Full time 4WD is a godsend when towing off bitumen. Once you've had it you won't go without it again.
The Discos driving position is second to none (Perhaps a Rangie). My two mates Nissans (1x3 Litre and one fuel guzzling 4.8? petrol) have bonnets like Mack trucks to try and look over, and of the two the 3 litre is the only competition the Rover has but my mate is very secretive about times his vehicle is unavailable!
Other minor items 6 stacker cd, climate control air and of course the all important drink holders all add up to a pretty attractive tow vehicle.
To sum up, if you want a vehicle that as a stock standard item offers full time 4WD, tow capabilities, off road capabilities and a great assortment of creature comforts the TD5 is hard to beat. As mentioned in other posts though, do your homework!
Glen

[CraigE]

Mate,
What have you been smoking? Have you owned and towed with a TD5? The TD5 is a fantastic tow vehicle, the Tdi is not bad either as long as you do not want to go over 100kmph. The TD5 will tow a fully loaded trailer all day at 120kmph without the power chip and intercooler upgrade even in an auto.
I dont think the guy was looking for a new car and a Terracan, you can not be serious??:o
I have owned V8, tdi and TD5 Land Rovers so can coment on their capability.
I know towing my camper with a Nissan 3litre turbo or a Toyota 100 series absolutely pulls the guts out of them and fuel economy borders on having a v8. The tdi and TD5 fuel economy barely changes loaded or unloaded.


Granted, the Discovery II TD5 has a 3500 kg tow capacity and a 250 kg down weight on the tow ball, it should make a good towing machine. However, whilst I'm a Land Rover enthusiast, I'm wondering why you picked a Discovery?

The Discovery's turning circle isn't exactly what I would describe as "tight". This could be a source of frustration if you are like me, and not terribly good at reversing, and thus needing lots of steering lock.

Whilst I drive a V8, the TD5 is no power house. With something like 340 NM of torque and about 101 kW, a chip is definitely required to get some more horses under the bonnet just for better overtaking, let alone towing. You'll find that if you go for a chip that outputs significant amounts, the auto transmission won't like it, and can often go into "limp home" mode if too much torque is fed through it.

Also, as auto transmissions go, it's only a 4 speeder, so the spread of ratios is pretty wide. Which means that in some speeds below 100 km/hr, the transmission will be shifting in and out between top gear and 3rd gear. The revving of the motor at higher revs (circa 3000 rpm) can sound harsh compared to other diesels and drive you to distraction.

If you tow long distances, you'll find that you'll get tired faster with the steering of the Disco, which is at best, vague. This is the price you pay for solid front axle and no rack and pinion steering. But the good side is that it's a reasonably tough driveline, and the auto gearbox tends to be fairly bullet proof, hoses excepted.

As a Land Rover enthusiast, would I buy a TD5 Discovery for towing? Probably not. Sorry, I know you've probably got your heart set on one and just want to sound it out. But I'm thinking that there are probably better alternatives out there. For the same asking price, I would probably get a 2006 FORD RANGER PJ XL Crew Cab Utility Dual Cab 4dr Auto - it has a ripper 3.0 diesel motor built by Mazda that will tow a lot better, and there's probably a Ford dealer nearby if you happen to break down. Not so good if you breakdown in a small town and there's no Land Rover dealer for miles.

Or if I wanted to buy something new, the Hyundai Terracan turbo diesel is drive out the door for around $35K. Check out the size of the rear diff - it's definitely very very strong. The 2.9 litre turbo diesel has also won quite a lot of friends with it's good reputation. But dealer network isn't as good as Ford (or indeed Toyota).

Anyway, I'll probably get banned for recommending a competitor's product, but so be it. I like my Land Rover, but I must be a sucker for punishment because I've had to put in a new motor in it already after only 190,000 kms, so whilst I like the brand, Land Rovers are not really built all that well.

[CraigE]

We are looking at purchasing a 2004 TD5 Diesel auto and wanted to find out if they are a good vehicle. We currently own a Nissan Patrol with a lift etc but want something more suitable for touring and towing our camper trailer. We have been told if you chip the diesel they have heaps of horse power when towing we are looking at an automatic. Also wanted to know what they are like as an offroad vehicle.
These vehicles are great for towing, even in standard form. As said the auto is only a 4 speed but still more than capable. Diesel Discos/Fenders and even RRs if you can find one are one of the best tow vehicles around. Make sure you know all the problems with the vehicle and how to fix and get parts. Parts distributors are few and far between in the outback. Most good parts distributors should be able to get you parts Aust wide in a short time, using courier or express post if urgent. Yes these vehicles have some problem, but are not doing gearboxes, engines and clutches like a lot of Nissans and Toyotas. Make sure you get some one with knowledge to check it over for you.
Get an chip upgrade from Tombie, Justin C or TR Spares and you wont look back.
Cheers
CraigE

[StephenF10]

No need to chip a TD5. While you get more power you're also reducing the reliability of the transmission and driveline. Mine tows a 1500kg caravan easily so a camper would be a breeze.

[rick130]

Craig has pretty much summed up my thoughts on your first post, now this part.


Andsue,

<snip>The venerable 4.2TD only comes in manual but if you like a manual, then you need to spend lots of dosh to get it to really perform, but in stock form, it will probably last a lifetime if the correct oil is used.

<snip>

really ?
They go OK stock, but are strangled by the OE exhaust system.
$660 for a 3" exhaust, including cast 3" dump pipe from MTQ.

Fuel pump adjustments are dead easy, just like any other VE style rotary pump. If you can't do it yourself, any competent diesel shop can do it in an hour or so.

I too am interested in which Patrol andsue has. IMO the GU with the TD42T is probably hard to beat as a tow rig, although the GQ with the TD42 is great, but a bit slow.
Any Landy with the TD5 will kill the Patrol in economy, and tow as well, but I prefer the longer wheel base of the GU (or a 130 ;) ) for stability, but must admit I've never used a Disco for towing, only a SWB Patrol, GQ wagon, GU ute, 130 Deefer, F100......

[tempestv8]

Mate,
What have you been smoking? Have you owned and towed with a TD5? The TD5 is a fantastic tow vehicle, the Tdi is not bad either as long as you do not want to go over 100kmph. The TD5 will tow a fully loaded trailer all day at 120kmph without the power chip and intercooler upgrade even in an auto.
I dont think the guy was looking for a new car and a Terracan, you can not be serious??:o
I have owned V8, tdi and TD5 Land Rovers so can coment on their capability.
I know towing my camper with a Nissan 3litre turbo or a Toyota 100 series absolutely pulls the guts out of them and fuel economy borders on having a v8. The tdi and TD5 fuel economy barely changes loaded or unloaded.

Relax, Craig.

I'm not saying that a Disco TD5 can't tow, I'm just saying that there are other alternatives out there which can do a better job.

I have a 1000 kg camper and I've towed with a DII TD5, a DII V8 and a Toyota Kluger. Granted, I've only towed about 1300 kms so far with it, I am in a good position to make the following observations:

Sad to say, the 3.3 V6 petrol Kluger was better at overtaking. Going up and down hills, the chipped TD5 was better at maintaining speed compared to the V8. ;)

Steering wise, the Kluger was far more direct. With the Discoveries, the constant corrections that you have to make will tire you out because of the higher levels of concentration required. Check it out for yourself - let someone drive your vehicle on a highway and observe the steering wheel movement of the driver.

Fuel economy wise, towing the same camper, the TD5 used 14 litres per 100kms of diesel, the Kluger used 17 litres per 100 kms on premium (same cost as diesel) and I didn't manage to keep records for the V8 fuel consumption.

At the end of the tow trips, I was more relaxed in the Toyota Kluger, compared to the Discovery. Some of it was noise related (NVH higher on the TD5) and some of it was just the level of concentration required.

I'm not saying that the Disco can't tow, nor am I saying to buy a Kluger. I'm just saying that there are better alternatives out there if towing a camper long distance and touring.

I am rather spoilt that I get to drive a lot of different vehicles (or maybe just lots of very good friends). I drove the Pajero DiD and it's diesel motor was heaps quieter than the TD5 and we even raced along with the chipped TD5. The stock standard Pajero beat the chipped TD5 quite easily on the bitumen and going around corners at high speed.

I'll say now that I've been driving a Land Rover for the last 7 years and it's definitely more comfortable than an old Rangie classic, probably just as capable and extremely capable in the "weekend warrior" stakes in the playgrounds like Toolangi State Forest, etc.

As a long distance tourer, it's just not my cup of tea if I had a choice of another vehicle to take.


Lawrance

[Phil633]

It's a personal thing, obviously some people like them some don't .

I love mine, wouldn't swap it.:)



As a long distance tourer, it's just not my cup of tea if I had a choice of another vehicle to take.


My point exactly:angel:

[Jerry 68]

Andsue,

I have had a Disco Td5 for 3 years and done 40,000kms in it.
It has towed our camper trailer throughout the territory and the Kimberley. We set the cruise control at 115k/ph and we are getting 11.5l/100km.
The Disco is a comfortable tourer. Has excellent interior features for comfort.
Mine had been reasonably reliable.
The downside to a Disco is limited load capacity in the back, access to spare parts in alot of areas whilst touring and they are not that good on sand unless you have the Central diff lock as discussed on previous posts.

I do not believe you need to alter the disco for performance as this is more than satisfactory.
I have actually just traded my Disco in on a Patrol due to the lack of customer support where I live in the Kimberley and we needed the extra cargo space. I admit I am going to miss the better standard comfort features of the Landy and the great economy.

[BMKal]

Andsue,

I think you'll find a 2004 D2 TD5 a great tow vehicle. Mine's not that new - you have the advantage of the CDL fully installed as standard. I haven't driven a TD5 with an auto, so can't comment on how they perform. But from my own experience pulling a fairly heavy camper trailer, the TD5 does it with ease and more economically than anything else I've tried (previously had Prado's). If I wanted to pull something large and heavy, well yes, I'd probably opt for a Land Cruiser. But for a camper trailer or small pop-up, the Disco will at least match any of the other options previously discussed. And no - mine isn't chipped.

As per previous comments about steering vagueness - I don't see that as a real issue. Yes - on original tyres, my D2 was not as good in the steering department as a 120 Prado. But I've recently changed to a different size and brand of tyre, and now cannot fault the steering of the Disco.

The thing I found hardest to get used to has been the indicators / light switches on the left side of the column and the wiper controls on the right. Even though I'm now on my second Disco (previously had a D1 V8) I still find that I turn the indicators on occasionally when I want to wipe the windscreen (pretty much got over indicating with the wipers by now though).

If you find a good Disco and possibly change the tyres, you'll love it.

[CraigE]

Yep, fair enough. I love my TD5 for towing albeit a Defender manual at present. It all depends on wether you want a multy purpose vehicle or a dedicated on road tow vehicle. The Disco will give the best of both worlds. A Kluger (nice as a road car) is in big trouble as soon as you hit sand. If I had a car just for towing it would be a Statesman V8 (oops forgot the wife has one);). The ultimate tow rig would be a late model turbo diesel V8 F 250 or 350, but the price is prohibitive. They are fantastic to drive and not as thirsty as most people think.I would only ever have a 4x4 if you intend to use it, other wise fairly pointless, but under no circumstance would I have a soft roader as they are practicaly useless, apart froma status symbol.
:D

Relax, Craig.

I'm not saying that a Disco TD5 can't tow, I'm just saying that there are other alternatives out there which can do a better job.

I have a 1000 kg camper and I've towed with a DII TD5, a DII V8 and a Toyota Kluger. Granted, I've only towed about 1300 kms so far with it, I am in a good position to make the following observations:

Sad to say, the 3.3 V6 petrol Kluger was better at overtaking. Going up and down hills, the chipped TD5 was better at maintaining speed compared to the V8. ;)

Steering wise, the Kluger was far more direct. With the Discoveries, the constant corrections that you have to make will tire you out because of the higher levels of concentration required. Check it out for yourself - let someone drive your vehicle on a highway and observe the steering wheel movement of the driver.

Fuel economy wise, towing the same camper, the TD5 used 14 litres per 100kms of diesel, the Kluger used 17 litres per 100 kms on premium (same cost as diesel) and I didn't manage to keep records for the V8 fuel consumption.

At the end of the tow trips, I was more relaxed in the Toyota Kluger, compared to the Discovery. Some of it was noise related (NVH higher on the TD5) and some of it was just the level of concentration required.

I'm not saying that the Disco can't tow, nor am I saying to buy a Kluger. I'm just saying that there are better alternatives out there if towing a camper long distance and touring.

I am rather spoilt that I get to drive a lot of different vehicles (or maybe just lots of very good friends). I drove the Pajero DiD and it's diesel motor was heaps quieter than the TD5 and we even raced along with the chipped TD5. The stock standard Pajero beat the chipped TD5 quite easily on the bitumen and going around corners at high speed.

I'll say now that I've been driving a Land Rover for the last 7 years and it's definitely more comfortable than an old Rangie classic, probably just as capable and extremely capable in the "weekend warrior" stakes in the playgrounds like Toolangi State Forest, etc.

As a long distance tourer, it's just not my cup of tea if I had a choice of another vehicle to take.


Lawrance

[CraigE]

Andsue,

I think you'll find a 2004 D2 TD5 a great tow vehicle. Mine's not that new - you have the advantage of the CDL fully installed as standard. I haven't driven a TD5 with an auto, so can't comment on how they perform. But from my own experience pulling a fairly heavy camper trailer, the TD5 does it with ease and more economically than anything else I've tried (previously had Prado's). If I wanted to pull something large and heavy, well yes, I'd probably opt for a Land Cruiser. But for a camper trailer or small pop-up, the Disco will at least match any of the other options previously discussed. And no - mine isn't chipped.

As per previous comments about steering vagueness - I don't see that as a real issue. Yes - on original tyres, my D2 was not as good in the steering department as a 120 Prado. But I've recently changed to a different size and brand of tyre, and now cannot fault the steering of the Disco.

The thing I found hardest to get used to has been the indicators / light switches on the left side of the column and the wiper controls on the right. Even though I'm now on my second Disco (previously had a D1 V8) I still find that I turn the indicators on occasionally when I want to wipe the windscreen (pretty much got over indicating with the wipers by now though).

If you find a good Disco and possibly change the tyres, you'll love it.
Brian,
Like most European cars. Our Merc ambulance is the same and I still find myself hiting the wipers in it.:angel::wasntme:

[tombraider]

No need to chip a TD5. While you get more power you're also reducing the reliability of the transmission and driveline. Mine tows a 1500kg caravan easily so a camper would be a breeze.

And on what do you base this comment on?

Please elaborate

[tombraider]

I am rather spoilt that I get to drive a lot of different vehicles (or maybe just lots of very good friends). I drove the Pajero DiD and it's diesel motor was heaps quieter than the TD5 and we even raced along with the chipped TD5. The stock standard Pajero beat the chipped TD5 quite easily on the bitumen and going around corners at high speed.


Unfair comments mate....

Yes, we played.... But...

My transmission was incorrectly serviced by the stealer and was low on fluid, I'd suffered 2 issues on the way there alone and another on the way home (fixed now, with a flush and filter)...

Both front shocks on my vehicle are stuffed (havent bolted in the new Billie 7100's yet, got some mounts to make) so was dramatically diving and wallowing at 150+km/h, I wasnt going to go faster..... :cool:

And even with 4 people in the Pajero, I guarantee it was at least 400kg lighter....

I'm also on 32's with stock gearing :eek:

As for steering corrections.... If your discovery is shaking the steering wheel you need new damper, new shocks, new bushes... Or a combination thereof...

Oh, and for the record, the TD5 has an old Bruce Davis ECU in it, I havent got to hard chipping older ECUs.. And is nowhere near what it should be...
Probably around 25kw shy of what it should be able to do (minimum)

[tombraider]

As a long distance tourer, it's just not my cup of tea if I had a choice of another vehicle to take.


Lawrance

Yeah, much better to take a Prado, where the bullbars crack and dash boards rattle apart on corrugations like the CSR / Anne Beadell etc...

I've riden in Patrols and Prados on touring roads, whilst the later Playdo is better than the earlier one... I'd rather ride in the Discovery for unsealed surface travel comfort...

And NVH in the monocoque vehicles becomes a major point offroad on gravel...

[tempestv8]

No different to Land Rovers then.

Discovery Series I were known for cracking their firewalls.

My Disco II has major cracking around the headlight and radiator support frame. Fortunately it's not structural.

From a resale point of view, with such visible cracking, I can't even give my Discovery away. I think I'll have to run it to the ground, since I've just spent $8K+ on a new motor in it.

[StephenF10]

Plenty of anecdotal evidence of DC and donut failures on even standard (unchipped) vehicles. If there's going be a lot more torque put through these components then tell us why it WON'T affect reliability or, alternatively, what needs to be done to the driveline to maintain reliability.


And on what do you base this comment on?

Please elaborate

[tombraider]

No different to Land Rovers then.

Discovery Series I were known for cracking their firewalls.

My Disco II has major cracking around the headlight and radiator support frame. Fortunately it's not structural.

From a resale point of view, with such visible cracking, I can't even give my Discovery away. I think I'll have to run it to the ground, since I've just spent $8K+ on a new motor in it.

Discovery used HARD offroad and often running shocks that were too firm is the KEY FACTOR in cracks...

Cracks on D1's were at the base of the firewall, also caused by excessive stiffness in aftermarket shocks..

Cracking around the radiator support panel is stiff shocks and/or hard landings...

Roof pillar cracks from over weight roof racks is an aftermarket issue...


My competition spec D1 had no cracks anywhere....
The D2 doesnt either, and the defender had no cracking / damage...

But then, I drive all the hard tracks I come across and still run a factory driveline...



I mean, that Kluger you were towing with was so off balance once you hitched up it was dangerous (and illegal actually)...
And a fuel test wasnt fair, you towed a sustained load for longer on smoother roads to go to Robe!!!

I towed 2t on a car trailer with the TD5 from Warnnambool to Whyalla in a storm & wind and still got 11-12l/100kms.

As for a little cabin noise, in the discovery it's more than acceptable for a clear conversation etc...

I hopped out of my Disco after 9+ hours each way and felt fine (no soreness or stiffness whatsoever)

[Ricey]

I think I'll have to run it to the ground, since I've just spent $8K+ on a new motor in it.

Sounds like you've already achieved in running it to the ground.

[tombraider]

Plenty of anecdotal evidence of DC and donut failures on even standard (unchipped) vehicles. If there's going be a lot more torque put through these components then tell us why it WON'T affect reliability or, alternatively, what needs to be done to the driveline to maintain reliability.

I, personally, got 90,000kms pumping out around 190kw and 500Nm of torque through a factory DC joint before I broke it accelerating hard around a corner onto south road traffic.

And from your smug, exaggerated remarks I really cant be bothered to give you any information, you already profess to know all the ins and outs of chipping and the effects of it...:mad:

Pity all those on this list running upgraded TD5s with decent programs arent having these issues as often as you claim.
:2up:

[Slunnie]

Plenty of anecdotal evidence of DC and donut failures on even standard (unchipped) vehicles. If there's going be a lot more torque put through these components then tell us why it WON'T affect reliability or, alternatively, what needs to be done to the driveline to maintain reliability.
I don't believe this is correct.

I've done some fairly broad research on the donut problem, based on my own and other peoples experiences. Its seems that almost universally those that have broken donuts on a Disco2 have high traction oversized tyres and use them. Its the jolt forces that go through the driveline that makes the donut fail, nothing at all to do with engine outputs, suspension lifts, total distance travelled etc. Note, this is specifically the Disco2 which has a different suspension design to the classics.

The front shaft also fails when impact forces are put through it. As soon as you stop doing this they start lasting, even with high output chips etc. although I would expect accelerated wear. I also tend to think that dust has an affect on the DC joints in the shafts.

In my opinion, to improve the shaft problems... just leave the rear alone. Treat your driveline with some respect when offroading. Fit greasable DC joints to the shafts and make sure that you grease them appropriately and if you are into impact driving, then fit shafts built with the larger 1310 universal joints.

[CraigE]

Andsue,
Just to clarify. We had a 97 tdi300 Disco manual and did 67,000kms in it witha lot of towing a camper trailer or trailers with motor bikes nad apart from being slightly underpowered would pul on the flat at 100-120kmph all day, up hills often down to 90kmph and 4th gear. Still a great tow vehicle and returned about 11-12 litres per 100kms fuly loaded with camper trailer). In a Nissan down to 80kmph. The Defender TD5 (current 135,000kms and we have done 65,000kms of these) is a different kettle of fish, will pull all day fully loaded with a loaded camper at 110-130kmph no trouble although at 120-130 fuel consumption does start to suffer a bit and comes close to the fuel consumption of a standard Toyota 100 series diesel unloaded doing 110kmph.:D The only thing that has slowed the TD5 Defeneder down was when I put on new kayak holders that stood the Kayaks on their side, instead of laying flat, then fuel consumption went to crap. However laying the kayaks flat alleviated this dramatically. This was also fully loaded (2 adults, 2 kids, dog, all their stuff, fridge, xmas pressies and a fully loaded camper trailer. Even so it still sat on 110kmph all day when should really sit on 100kmph or less. At 110kmph fully loaded with camper trailer TD5 returns about 14 litres per 100kms. An auto Disco should do a bit better.
My main opinion is just be aware of the downsides of owning a Rover, there are some but no worse than owning a Nissan, Toyota or Mitsubishi etc.
Best of luck with your choice.
The statement of $4000 for a torque convertor is possible by a rip off dealer but unlikely. You can buy a whole box and torque convertor for less than that. There are some great parts suppliers around.
Cheers
Craig

[strangy]

Have to say my Manual TD5 D2 is constantly returning over 950km per tank (90 litres) Highway. I trailered my series III ute some 1000kms, @t 110km and returned 12.2l/ 100.
My friends 4.2 litre TD Patrol cannot even dream of keeping up performance wise on road, let alone his shocking fuel consumption.

I have driven the 2007 d.i.d Pajero Auto and found it was much noisier than my TD5 and simply cant compare to the handling of the fulltime 4WD D2.

My D2 is not chipped and comparing it to a current 3.0 TD Auto Patrol (works vehicle) found the D2 was a better all round vehicle. (for me)

My D2 TD5 was bought because of its excellent fuel consumption, constant 4WD (handling and safety), size,I did not want to be punting a large amount of iron around town when not full of gear and family, capability off road and rust resistance (large amounts of Aluminium). I must admit to being around Land Rovers since 3 years old.

*** If a tow vehicle and nothing more is sought I would agree the Disco is not the only choice, but HYUNDAI!!!! give us break. Product design philosophy and build quality from any Hyundai will never make these vehicles a choice for me.

[strangy]

Hi Tombie,

Saw you may be able to provide a chip for the D2 TD5. Almost convinced Mrs Strangy of the benefits
Could you PM me with price info?


Cheers Strangy

[p38arover]

A new torque converter is around $4000.

When I broke my flex plate (4.6 V8) I had the torque converter repaired and serviced for $390.

[Redback]

I was going to comment about my TD5 Disco and how it's faired over the 160,000ks it's done, but i won't, as the original poster hasn't replied since posting this subject.

Baz.

[Spooky704]

Am I doing this right?New to the shop with my Td5 ticking along at 260ks.It can make you a bit cranky but generally speaking its comfortable and still reasonably affordable.Other than the odd oil leak in the Transfer box,no work done on the Auto,a new front drive shaft and back uni s purrs along.A lot of my problems have been the result of mechanics errors.Just refitted the ECU s bypass and a low kilometre steering box and looking forward to the next trip.If I was dreaming Isuzu for me would be worth a test drive.Happy tinkering,Jack

[ramblingboy42]

Its interesting reading an old thread like this.

Nothings changed.....welcome to the forum Spooky.

Every conceivable bit of info on td5 disco's is available here.....take your time and enjoy searching.

[UncleHo]

Welcome Spooky704 :)

I would suggest getting one of "Incisor's" rave CD's on the Disco 2,they are available from Dave's shop "interesting things" up in the front page here.:)