Anyone with CAD got spare time?

[andrew e]

Ive just measured/coppied up an undersill tank for my 110 and i'm starting to build another couple for under the drivers and passengers sills. Once i build one, and make sure i get the measurements 100% would anyone be interested in coppying all my sketches into CAD and posting them up on the forum for others to use?

It would a few hundred dollars if you went down to a sheet metal fabricator with some cad drawings and got him to build you an aux tank or 2.

These are pretty much the same as the ones in the arb catalogue for $1300+

They aren't just a simple box, they have 16 sides, due to the cut outs for the crossmembers. They dont hang down past the chassis rail, and taper up to the sill. I estimate they are about 70 litres each, however the passenger is a bit less due to the battery box. Any takers?

Andy

[Psimpson7]

I could do it for you if you want. I have Solidworks. let me know.

cheers
Pete

[Redback]

My daughter teaches CAD, i'm sure she could do this and i can post the drawings.

Baz.

[5teve]

same here... inventor, pro-e, etc etc so format shouldnt be a problem!

Thanks

Steve

[kaa45]

I've got TurboCAD Pro if I can help in any way.

[andrew e]

sweet. give me a week or so to get the final measurements.

Andy

[Offender90]

Yeah, I could do it in SolidWorks as well if you need... on that note, I've been thinking of drawing up a Defender envelope (underbody configuration & bodywork) for a Defender 90 to assist in design of roll cages / custom bars / underbody guards, fuel tanks etc prior to fabrication... does anyone have this already for either Defender 90, 110 or 130?

Cheers

Bojan

[cucinadio]

Hey guys,

l know its forward to ask, but if i was to do up the measurement for a roof rack could anyone help me with that :angel:

cheers

[dobbo]

So are these going to be rear under sill tanks to sit to the right and left of the standard tank or under the seat box tanks like on a series? (probably an easier design and larger volume for under the seat type tanks). Having a look at scrapes on the rear sill mounted long range tanks on George130 they may have some clearance issues offroad, saying that though the 130 is a different vehicle alltogether.

Will this mean a full re route for the exhaust system to clear the pass side rear quarter?
And what will be the price?

[Psimpson7]

Hey guys,

l know its forward to ask, but if i was to do up the measurement for a roof rack could anyone help me with that :angel:

cheers

yep probably!

Pete.

[agrojnr]

I deal with Autocad all day every day


Adam

[Psimpson7]

I deal with Autocad all day every day


Adam

unlucky!! lol:p

[hodgo]

There is a program that can be down loaded from the net called smart draw its brilliant , very simple and easy to use and can be used for any type of project eg electrical, plumbing , land scaping, buildings, etc etc its uses are endless . Not sure what it costs a friend gave me a copy.

Regards Hodgo

[andrew e]

So are these going to be rear under sill tanks to sit to the right and left of the standard tank or under the seat box tanks like on a series? (probably an easier design and larger volume for under the seat type tanks). Having a look at scrapes on the rear sill mounted long range tanks on George130 they may have some clearance issues offroad, saying that though the 130 is a different vehicle alltogether.

Will this mean a full re route for the exhaust system to clear the pass side rear quarter?
And what will be the price?

Its this tank that i'm coppying, and making a mirror image for the passenger side.

LAND ROVER DEFENDER AUXILIARY FUEL TANK - eBay. (end time 02-Feb-08 17:42:08 AEDST) (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320211021917)

If you put a straight edge between your chassis rail and your sill, the gap above is where the tank goes, hence it does not affect your clearance. It goes from the front firewall/bulkhead outrigger to the rear trailing arm mount with a cut out for the outrigger in the middle.

The tanks that fit in the rear 1/4s are just a simple 6 sided box thanks to the flat sides on the defender, very simple to make.


Andy

[lokka]

If i could get a copy of the cad drawing that somebody dose i could arange the tanks to be profile cut and pressed up in kit form ready for welding i am a sheetmetal worker tho not working ATM but still have the contacts in the right places to get this sorta stuff done :D:D:D

[Blknight.aus]

Id be up for a copy they look like they should slide right under a td5 110 as well.....

[andrew e]

Id be up for a copy they look like they should slide right under a td5 110 as well.....

only prob with the td5 is the high preassure pump in the tank. Although you could just get a cheap low preassure pump and pump it to the main tank first. Or get an external High preassure one but thats more $$ and stuffing around.

Andy

[Blknight.aus]

my plan is to cut the breather pipe and splice into it in 2 places.

Id then use a ticker pump to transfer fuel into the lower of the 2 splices and then have the higher of the 2 splices to allow air or excess fuel to return to the tank.

My actual plan for tankage gets me something like1 60ish l tank internal in the rear seats foot well bringing it up level with the tub floor, 2x 75l fuel tanks 1 on each side of the rover with long slender pipes slung where the side steps used to be as air tanks with a trianglular set of water tanks slung over the side steps to take about 40l of non potable water. (not forgetting the original 75l fuel tank)

over the rear end up behind the wheel will be small potable water tanks and depending on how much clearance I have on full spring compression on the rear these might extend the length of the side sponsons.

[weeds]

i cannot help with cad.....keen on a copy of the drawings

[idletorque]

Autocads no dramas here either, but first let me know if yours differ much from these made up by LROCS members a few years back.

Gee, I hope this attachment thingy works!:)

[Xtreme]

Autocads no dramas here either, but first let me know if yours differ much from these made up by LROCS members a few years back.

Gee, I hope this attachment thingy works!:)

There has been a few amendments to the drawings Greg has attached above so if anyone wants to use them, you had better contact me first for final dimensions.

[Bigbjorn]

Sorry, got QuickCad and a recent 2004 Autocad but have not used either for from 7-10 years and would need refresher training. Last used Autocad2000 Student Version courtesy of my engineer son. Have recent unused pirate 2004 Autocad courtesy of my cinematographer son-in-law. Have draughtsmans tools but no board anymore.

[5teve]

guys we seem to have some CAD resource here and i for one am happy to help.. as stated earlier

looks like it could be a good thing if we draw up various parts etc and have a repository where we keep them.. us with CAD skills draw them, guys with FAB skills can get them made.. and other people can look at them..

i for one only use 3d (and create 2d from them) and formats are always a nightmare, but if we were to attach DXF's to the posts.. well everyone should be able to read them!

what do we think? although it may be unpopular... maybe it should be an area for subscribers only? may help inc get a few more dollars in to run the site...

Thanks

Steve

[weeds]

looks like it could be a good thing if we draw up various parts etc and have a repository where we keep them.. us with CAD skills draw them, guys with FAB skills can get them made.. and other people can look at them.. happy to measure up my sliders

i for one only use 3d (and create 2d from them) and formats are always a nightmare, but if we were to attach DXF's to the posts.. well everyone should be able to read them! yep needs to be a format that anybody can open

what do we think? although it may be unpopular... maybe it should be an area for subscribers only? may help inc get a few more dollars in to run the site... there shouldn't be an issue with suggestion...thats just what it is....by the way not a bad suggestion, you would get my vote

Thanks

Steve

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[cucinadio]

guys we seem to have some CAD resource here and i for one am happy to help.. as stated earlier

looks like it could be a good thing if we draw up various parts etc and have a repository where we keep them.. us with CAD skills draw them, guys with FAB skills can get them made.. and other people can look at them..

i for one only use 3d (and create 2d from them) and formats are always a nightmare, but if we were to attach DXF's to the posts.. well everyone should be able to read them!

what do we think? although it may be unpopular... maybe it should be an area for subscribers only? may help inc get a few more dollars in to run the site...

Thanks

Steve

well i for one think its a brill idea :D sounds like it should be in a section called the barter/swap shop.
He tell me if I'm wrong guys, but come on a little support guys ;)

cheers

[RR5L]

Hi your output could be print to PDF using one of the freeware options listed in another thread.

[dirtdawg]

on a similar note if you guys want something made up, give me the cad plans and i'll give you a price

[CraigE]

I would be keen on the rear quarter panel tanks and just have a valve to drain or tansfer to main tank so another fuel pump would not be required. At worst a small transfer pump. Could even use one side for water rather than fuel.
If someone comes up with a costing and definate plans I will be interested. Any one in WA that can fabricate these??
I was the same ARB costs or getting them from OS were cost prohibitive when jerry cans are cheap.
:D:D

[5teve]

Hi your output could be print to PDF using one of the freeware options listed in another thread.

personally i would prefer PDF & DXF as laser cutting and punching could be done straight from the DXF..

thanks for the idea support guys... :O)

Steve

[EchiDna]

geez if you got to laser cutting, you could punch out the pieces out of sheet steel or aluminium or HDPE or stainless then wrap em in cardboard as a kit and ship the buggers anywhere to be welded up.
Depending on the material used, it could be a water tank or fuel... :)

logistics? a right pain in the preverbial, but I'm sure it would save on setup fees for the cutting...

[5teve]

i have a nice cheap laser cutter here in perth.. basically its a $60 minimum charge and it goes from there. Im pretty sure there are no setup fees... as i provide them with the DXF and they cut straight from that.. used them for stuff round the house in brushed stainless and struggled to get to the $60!

not a bad idea flat packing tho.. :O)

Thanks

Steve

[weeds]

if i measure my sliders up who do i send the drawing to?

[Psimpson7]

me if you like! I will pm you my email address.

Cheers
Pete

[weeds]

me if you like! I will pm you my email address.

Cheers
Pete

thanks mate....mays well make a start

they are not really for me, its more for the forum, it might be a good chance for input from others to refine them

[Offender90]

i have a nice cheap laser cutter here in perth.. basically its a $60 minimum charge and it goes from there. Im pretty sure there are no setup fees... as i provide them with the DXF and they cut straight from that.. used them for stuff round the house in brushed stainless and struggled to get to the $60!

not a bad idea flat packing tho.. :O)

Thanks

Steve

can you PM me contact details... have a couple of projects I could use their help on

Cheers

Bojan

[weeds]

i did a sketch up of my sliders and emailed it to pete......there you we have a start

now i'm really keen on a tank for the passenger rear quarter if somebody can sketch up

[weeds]

just keeping the momentum going.....really need somebody with a rear quarter tank to do up a sketch

here is a sneak preview of the sketches of my slider that are being draw up........they are even better when you download a program called e drawings viewer, you can turn the object around, upside down, look at it end on etc

a few holes to be added and some fine tuning

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2008/02/229.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2008/02/230.jpg

[dirtdawg]

any one got a drawing for sliders for a disco?, i wouldnt mind makin a set similer to the ones all range have

[malleefowl]

Some drawings or so would be great! nephew is aluminium and stainless whiz so really just need the drawings
Great work fellas,
Mary

[Psimpson7]

Hi everybody.

As weeds says we have made a start. I am happy to model stuff up for people, and will put up a few of my own things too. (I will be doing this in my own time tho so dont take the p*ss!! - If I find anyone using it commercially it wont be great!)

As Kelvin has said you can download a program called edrawings viewer, which i will post a link up for shortly. This then allows you to spin round my 3d models and also measure them if I give you rights when I save the file.

There will also be fully dimensioned 2d drawings too. (and assembly instructions)

Cheers

Pete

[weeds]

well done pete......i'm sure they will not be abused

thanks for you time.....i'm sure the workload could be shared around

[Psimpson7]

no worries mate. speak tommorow.

Pete

[JDNSW]

Bit late getting to the thread, but just mention that I have a water tank similar to this. As has already been pointed out a water tank version is desirable. Mine has a 20mm filler hose (and a vent hose) going to a filler neck and screw cap under the bonnet just behind the coolant tank. There is a lockable tap on the back of it steadied with a bracket onto the outrigger just in front of the sedimenter. It does not have the bit wrapping under the outrigger, and my view is that this is an unnecessary complication. (With the Isuzu having the exhaust outside the chassis on the LH side, this leaves a nice big space inside the chassis - which on mine is occupied by an auxiliary fuel tank.

John

[weeds]

Bit late getting to the thread, but just mention that I have a water tank similar to this. As has already been pointed out a water tank version is desirable. Mine has a 20mm filler hose (and a vent hose) going to a filler neck and screw cap under the bonnet just behind the coolant tank. There is a lockable tap on the back of it steadied with a bracket onto the outrigger just in front of the sedimenter. It does not have the bit wrapping under the outrigger, and my view is that this is an unnecessary complication. (With the Isuzu having the exhaust outside the chassis on the LH side, this leaves a nice big space inside the chassis - which on mine is occupied by an auxiliary fuel tank.

John

well JD shapen the pencil:D

[Psimpson7]

yep, get us some sketches!!

Pete

[5teve]

hi guys..

i'll be up for doing some shortly... just got family over at the moment.. once they are gone then i'll be there...

Pete.. are you going to knock the 2d's out in dxf and pdf form also? maybe just as a zipped file as the dxf compress down nicely so should stay small. i wonder if inc has any download storage repository kinda thing in the forum software?

as i said... couple of weeks and i'll be able to help... feel free to pm me mean time tho (cant over work pete too soon!)

Thanks

Steve

[Psimpson7]

Hi Steve,

Yep definetley regarding the DXF files. Especially important if stuff is to be lasered and so on too.

I think your right. We need somewhere to put the files, just putting them into this topic wont work. We also need some sort of revision control so if someone has an idea, or finds an issue we can assess it and update the files...

Wow it sounds more and more like work! lol

Pete

[hiker]

Hi there

I use this (Free File Hosting Made Simple - MediaFire (http://www.mediafire.com)) for all my computer work - its quick, easy ... and free.

hope this helps

cheers all

[5teve]

Hi Steve,

Yep definetley regarding the DXF files. Especially important if stuff is to be lasered and so on too.

I think your right. We need somewhere to put the files, just putting them into this topic wont work. We also need some sort of revision control so if someone has an idea, or finds an issue we can assess it and update the files...

Wow it sounds more and more like work! lol

Pete

i guess for the revision control we just add that to the file name on the pdf / dxf and just have the latest issue on the actual generated drawing file (the solidworks inventor or whatever file) , old issues are kept purely by the old dxf/pdf files.

file names are a larger subject.. so what would your thoughts be on that?

by the way i have a FTP server running pretty much 24/7 (and at very worst can be up and running at request!) so i can host the files.. its not like they will be adding much to my upload / download limits.. but i would prefer to add users and have some control over it..

hmm just noticed there is a repository here... under 'files' at the top... wonder if we could use this as that should work... but may need a few sub categories added.. or a slightly different layout?

im also thinking that adding subscriber status could be good for keeping guys making a quick quid out of it also (also forces me to stop being lazy and subscribe!)

more thoughts pete? anyone?

Thanks

Steve

[Psimpson7]

Hi Steve,

Some good ideas there. I think your Ftp site could be a goer, if the files area doesnt work. I suppose if possible keeping it in the forum would be sensible.

File names are an interesting one...

possibly have a folder structure like

Defender
110
Protection

Then the file called 'Rock Sliders 110'

Few potential issus tho including, what happens when we get more than one type of 110 rock slider!

Also if a product can fit both say RR Classic and Disco 1, say a long range tank, would you put that in both...

Subscribers only could be good too, but so far, you and I arent and we have the cad software lol!

Also possibly need to have a caveat on the drawings saying that the person who sketched the item and who ever drew it in CAD, and also the site ar not rsponsible for any errors / ommisions etc etc...

Pete

[5teve]

Hi Steve,

Some good ideas there. I think your Ftp site could be a goer, if the files area doesnt work. I suppose if possible keeping it in the forum would be sensible.

File names are an interesting one...

possibly have a folder structure like

Defender
110
Protection

Then the file called 'Rock Sliders 110'

Few potential issus tho including, what happens when we get more than one type of 110 rock slider!

Also if a product can fit both say RR Classic and Disco 1, say a long range tank, would you put that in both...

Subscribers only could be good too, but so far, you and I arent and we have the cad software lol!

Also possibly need to have a caveat on the drawings saying that the person who sketched the item and who ever drew it in CAD, and also the site ar not rsponsible for any errors / ommisions etc etc...

Pete

Yeah file names / drawing numbers are a hard one here.. unless we have a list with all the drawings on (ie a drawing register) and the files are numbered. cross referencing the list then gives you the drawing number. I always find giving files 'names' gets a bit awkward eventually.

i have a few pre-done borders that can be reworked, and no doubt shared. maybe with the aulro logo on (need incs approval im guessing here) and yes i would suggest that we have the following.


Revision History including date of last rev
Date drawn
original design by (gives credit here)
drawn by
full material specs (but can be put on drawing)


good idea to categorise the drawings but can be an issue when sharing designs through models. again a list maybe a better way to do this? As we will / are drawing them then its up to us how we keep the models / drawing files named as this is also another subject.. and yes it really is sounding like work now! :D

did you say you were on solidworks? i'll probably be using pro-e or inventor.. but data exchange shouldnt be a problem!

Thanks

Steve

[EchiDna]

whatever happened to this? did anything come of it??

cheers,

Echidna

[weeds]

whatever happened to this? did anything come of it??

cheers,

Echidna

i tried to keep it alive but not much activity of late

pete has done a great job of the sliders that i measured, i think he has a little bit more work on the assmebly for the manufacture side of thing

the 3D software is wild and it was free

it does require a bit of time and effort....that the problem, need members to get out there and measure things up

would like to thank pete for his help on the sliders, no help to me but would be to somebody with a 110 without sliders

[5teve]

sorry guys... we got rid of long term family and had our life back :) lots of things to do at home.. but im still willing to help where i can! just finishing off garage plans and then could squeeze the odd bits in!

Thanks

Steve

[EchiDna]

slider plans wouldn't go astray for me personally actually!

the sill tanks I can do without as I've already got one (plus a long range rear tank)...

keep up the good work lads (wish I could help).

[HAK]

My daughter teaches CAD, i'm sure she could do this and i can post the drawings.

Baz.

Baz you forgot to add as long he designs one for our Disco ;)

[Psimpson7]

Sorry guys.. no excuses from me.. Ive been slack!

Weed's i will get finsished slider drawings to you this week.!

Pete

[weeds]

Sorry guys.. no excuses from me.. Ive been slack!

Weed's i will get finsished slider drawings to you this week.!

Pete

no worries, if we all just chips away at it slowly it will come together

[p38arover]

I have the drawings I made of the 40 litre (approx) sill tank I had on my '86 RR.

This is it: Ron's Range Rover Classic Modifications (http://members.optusnet.com.au/thebecketts/rover/rovermod.htm#auxtank)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/08/889.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/08/890.jpg

(the pic was taken to show the value of mollasses as a derusting agent. The LHS has been dipped, the right is still rusty.)

[100I]

There's a RH qtr tank in my V8. I know the fitter had a job getting it in there he told me so:D, but I'll see if I can get at it enough to measure up.

[sclarke]

Here ya go.....
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2008/04/722.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2008/04/723.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2008/04/724.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2008/04/725.jpg

This is a Brown Davis tank taken out of a County

[beforethevision]

I very much like the idea of this, drawing up your mods and putting them online. One thing i always think when designing a mod is 'how did everyone else do it?' I want to do it the easy and correct way first time, as im sure we all do.

I have solidworks and proficient enough to draw up basic mods.


Cheers!

[dobbo]

So has anyone got any of these aux fuel tanks built up as yet?

If so what was the cost?

[technophile]

Where can i find the CAD file for the 110 Sliders, to suit my TD5?

Thanks