Thoughts on the new falcon

[Ace]

Well the new FG falcon has been released, what do people think? It certainly different, i like it, some of the new FPV models look great, especially the new GT-E

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[101RRS]

Just another update of a very ordinary car - needs a whole new model - suppose they make good taxis.

[Ace]

from what they are saying it is all new, its not an update.

[Wortho]

General body shape looks a little like a current Camery.

[ladas]

Looks just like all the rest to me................

[Grizzly_Adams]

I was reading an article about it.

It's got a lot of new kit in it but they decided against a complete revamp of the body shape as last time they tried that it was an abyssmal failure (their words, not mine).

So they've kept a lot of the previous styling...

It was quite funny actually because the Ford President of Australia they were talking too was all about how everything in it was new to start with... then as they pinned him down on styling etc. he backed down and said well not everything was new because of the backlash they got against the radical change in style last time (I am thinking he was referring to the change from XF to AU(?))... still, looks like a nice car though... would have to test drive one to see if they've "fixed" the wallowy steering (though I've been told that was fixed several models ago)

[mark2]

Is it coming out with a diesel? I heard a rumour to that effect some time ago....

[B92 8NW]

Hmm, to me it looks like they should have called it the VE Falcon.

Grow up Ford, your vehicles are tiresome and the domain of commoners.

[Tango51]

Hmm, to me it looks like they should have called it the VE Falcon.

Grow up Ford, your vehicles are tiresome and the domain of commoners.

lol, the riff raff have to drive SOMEthing

[101RRS]

lol, the riff raff have to drive SOMEthing

Yes there does have to be a taxi fleet.

[RonMcGr]

It is not too bad.
It will be better when Ford go for the Jaguar designed V6D and 5 litre V8. Ford AU have been using a copy of the Jaguar IRS since the BA. When the engines come, that will make it a Jaguar copy, drive line.

I wonder if Ford will call that model an "FJ6" :D

[LandyAndy]

2010 is the change from IL6 to a global V6 petrol.
With the ZF 6 speed auto already in service the V6 diesel should be an easy adoption.
There was talk of both Falcoon and Teritory test vehicles running the V6 diesel.
They would be mad not to release it,they would sell heaps.
Andrew

[loanrangie]

lol, the riff raff have to drive SOMEthing

Actually the riff raff prefer dunnydoors.

[B92 8NW]

Actually the riff raff prefer dunnydoors.

Too right!

They say people aren't judged by the cars they drive, but it couldn't be further from the truth. Everywhere I turned up in a VP commodore, no one would take me seriously:D.... except the cops:eek:.

Happy to be back in a Disco...

[justinc]

Below is what I believe are my thoughts on this and many other Ford vehicles...














































See, I don't think that much about them at all:p

JC

[Fusion]

Well the new FG falcon has been released, what do people think? It certainly different, i like it, some of the new FPV models look great, especially the new GT-E

http://www.the4wdzone.com/images/image42356_a.jpg

Lets make a whole new ford :lol2::lol2::lol2:. I don't think new head lights , tail lights and mags from a mondeo make it a WHOLE new car .
Ford only seem to make one good car every 20 odd years and the BA was the last one and they are holding on to that for as long as they can . but it will get car of the year just because it needs it to sell cars to stay alive ..... wonder how much the bribe will be this year :wasntme:

[RonMcGr]

2010 is the change from IL6 to a global V6 petrol.
With the ZF 6 speed auto already in service the V6 diesel should be an easy adoption.
There was talk of both Falcoon and Teritory test vehicles running the V6 diesel.
They would be mad not to release it,they would sell heaps.
Andrew

Andrew,

Ford AU kept the Jaguar S Type diesel prototype that did the lap around Australia a couple of years ago. They put the motor in a Territory :D

All went well, but the overall cost stopped them from doing it. Since then, there are a few makes that now use that motor, as well as the petrol V6, Land Rover for one. :)

I guess when Ford AU start using all those motors as I mentioned before, it will make tooling easier across the range.

For the time being, LPG is the way to go with Falcon/Territory.
A mate in the Hunter Valley has a terri running on injected LPG, with a 100l gas tank where the spare wheel goes.
They stick the spare in the back.
Ken says the car runs like a charm :D

Cheers

[RonMcGr]

Actually the riff raff prefer dunnydoors.

They certainly do!

No self respecting "Hoon" would be seen dead in a Falcon!
It's an image thing :D

Football, meat pies, Kangaroos and Holden cars.

The funny thing is the Commondore was based an a German car (Opel Commodore). It has not been an Australian designed car since the last "Kingswood".

[RonMcGr]

Lets make a whole new ford :lol2::lol2::lol2:. I don't think new head lights , tail lights and mags from a mondeo make it a WHOLE new car .
Ford only seem to make one good car every 20 odd years and the BA was the last one and they are holding on to that for as long as they can . but it will get car of the year just because it needs it to sell cars to stay alive ..... wonder how much the bribe will be this year :wasntme:

Actually Mick, the AUIII was the least troublesome Falcon made. :D
Ugly but trouble free and my wife loves her SR. :D

[garryc]

Hmm, to me it looks like they should have called it the VE Falcon.

Grow up Ford, your vehicles are tiresome and the domain of commoners.

I had 2 Falcons when Ford was broke a previous time and I know how badly they treat their customers. They still make Monday and Friday cars(quality wise :( ) Their motto should be "Engineering to die for". :)

[rovercare]

I had 2 Falcons when Ford was broke a previous time and I know how badly they treat their customers. They still make Monday and Friday cars(quality wise :( ) Their motto should be "Engineering to die for". :)

Yet you own a Land rover??:Rolling::Rolling:

[stevo68]

Quote:
Originally Posted by joel_nicholson https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/08/768.jpg (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/general-chat/52110-thoughts-new-falcon.html#post697321)
Hmm, to me it looks like they should have called it the VE Falcon.

Grow up Ford, your vehicles are tiresome and the domain of commoners.

lol, the riff raff have to drive SOMEthing Well those commoners and riff raff also drive $100k+ D3 HSE's as well :2up::p. As for the update, will wait till I have seen more pics/ specs etc.

Regards

Stevo

[B92 8NW]

Well those commoners and riff raff also drive $100k+ D3 HSE's as well :2up::p. As for the update, will wait till I have seen more pics/ specs etc.

Regards

Stevo

I'm willing to overlook the whole new LRs and Ford thing:D

Funny though... Fords seem to be the first cars to get bogged when boat launching. I know its not the car's fault but there is a pretty strong correlation between bogged cars and Fords down where I hide away in Gippsland:D

[djhampson]

Fords seem to be the first cars to get bogged when boat launching. I know its not the car's fault but there is a pretty strong correlation between bogged cars and Fords down where I hide away in Gippsland:D

Been there done that :D Good thing was it only happened while we were waiting for the D3 to be delivered so there wasn't much chance of a repeat.

[VladTepes]

I had 2 Falcons when Ford was broke a previous time and I know how badly they treat their customers. They still make Monday and Friday cars(quality wise :( ) Their motto should be "Engineering to die for". :)

I guess you'll be selling your Landies then ?






I will have to wait until I see the new car in the flesh (metal) before I decide if I like it or not.

Having driven late model Commodores and Falcons for work I would MUCH rather drive a Falcon - they feel like more of a drivers car - to what extent an Aussie family car can be.

I quite like the look of the new Mondeo though !

[81stubee]

I guess fords a crap, holdens are crap, just like toyotas are crap and nissans are crap because there all not Landrovers. If you want the best car in the world get a landrover, because they never break down or have quality issues.

Seriously, i reckon the new falcon looks quite good, more of a design evolution than a complete new one. I guess they learnt from the hideously ugly AU. The interior looks good and they reckon build quality is up (they always do i guess), not a huge fan of the centre stack and mondeo type screen. It has a new 5 speed auto standard across the range, finally retiring the old 4 speed dating from the late 80's, thankyou. The usual improvements are also there.

I think ford have done a marvellous job and show the world you can make a good rear drive car on a budget. I think that now with both the commodore and falcon we can be proud to be australian.

Stu

[numpty]

Lets make a whole new ford :lol2::lol2::lol2:. I don't think new head lights , tail lights and mags from a mondeo make it a WHOLE new car .
Ford only seem to make one good car every 20 odd years and the BA was the last one and they are holding on to that for as long as they can . but it will get car of the year just because it needs it to sell cars to stay alive ..... wonder how much the bribe will be this year :wasntme:

Bit like the change from VT to VE Commode. Not really a lot of difference there either.

[numpty]

Andrew,

Ford AU kept the Jaguar S Type diesel prototype that did the lap around Australia a couple of years ago. They put the motor in a Territory :D


Cheers

My understanding was that this motor was more Peugeot than anything else.

[RonMcGr]

I guess fords a crap, holdens are crap, just like toyotas are crap and nissans are crap because there all not Landrovers. If you want the best car in the world get a landrover, because they never break down or have quality issues.

Seriously, i reckon the new falcon looks quite good, more of a design evolution than a complete new one. I guess they learnt from the hideously ugly AU. The interior looks good and they reckon build quality is up (they always do i guess), not a huge fan of the centre stack and mondeo type screen. It has a new 5 speed auto standard across the range, finally retiring the old 4 speed dating from the late 80's, thankyou. The usual improvements are also there.

I think ford have done a marvellous job and show the world you can make a good rear drive car on a budget. I think that now with both the commodore and falcon we can be proud to be australian.

Stu

Stu,

You should hear what the Americans and Canadians think about the Australian Holden and Falcon.
They have nothing that is similar in that size, with RWD.

The Monaro, "Pontiac" in the USA was and apparently is still popular. However, some of the owners go to a lot of trouble to fit a Monaro front and badges on their Pontiacs, so that they are, Holdens. At the same time their are the bogans in AU trying to get the Pontiac gear for their Monaro?????

[RonMcGr]

My understanding was that this motor was more Peugeot than anything else.

A lot of people think that.
Peugeot build all the small diesels and do a damn good job.

If you do a "Google" on the Jaguar V6 Turbo Diesel, you will find the original maker.

I would personally like to see the Land Rover V6TD put in the Ford. Land Rover use the same block, but everything else is tougher and stronger with one turbo and not two.

Years ago, Volvo and Peugeot dabbled with a V6 engine, and it was such a .. er... Well lets say they did not bother again :D

[Wortho]

"
Engineering to die for". :)

OR
"Engineering to die FROM" :D

[Ace]

i didnt really want this to turn into a ford v holden debate, but seeing as it has turned into that hey i might aswell join in.

1) Why is it that being used as taxi's is seen as a bad thing? Clearly taxi drivers would want to buy the vehicle that will give them the best value for money and cost them the least to operate over a ser period of time, if they choose a ford i would see this as a good thing not a bad thing.
2) isnt the VE commodore the most recalled vehicle ever to come out of australia?
3) the new falcon bares some resemblance to a BF but not all that much, just the same as the VE has some resemblance to the VT-VZ range.
4) for such **** cars ford did a pretty damn good job at Adelaide on the weekend, even if there is bugger all holden and ford in a v8 supercar :D

I really dont care eitherway, if i was in the market for something like that i would test drive both and choose the one i liked the best. Each brand has had duds and awsome cars. Lets not mention the camira :D

[RonMcGr]

Having driven late model Commodores and Falcons for work I would MUCH rather drive a Falcon - they feel like more of a drivers car - to what extent an Aussie family car can be.

I quite like the look of the new Mondeo though !

I have to agree, but I'll start from the VN :D

We had them in the Military as staff cars. First was a VN, then a VP. Around the same time I bought a new Falcon EBII.

The two makes were chalk and cheese :D

The Holden, although quick to get of the mark, was totally gutless at speed. Did not have that "overtaking" power at freeway speed as the Ford had.

[Fusion]

the base shell of the car is still the same as the falcon AU . they are scared out of there wits that if they do a whole new car that ford australia will go down the chute . Holden is way out selling Ford in the family car department . Not one Commodore has been a dud seller . Ford had a lot of dud cars in the same period ...... XD,XE ...... EA, EB, ED and the latest one was the AU . all very taxi worthy. and the reason you see alot of AU's on the road now is they are worth nothing .... as i said they are holding on to the BA shape because it has sold more than other models ..... they won't let go for awhile yet .

[81stubee]

With regrards to the diesel.

On the ford forums which i trawl every now and then, much research has gone into diesel. Even as far as apparaently there were a few I6 4.0 litre prototypes getting around. The current thoughts from what I have read are that the V6 petrol will go into the fleet cars, and ford will push that the V6TD will bethe premium engine for towing and the V8 for performance. This may be just a pipe dream but the TDV6 would match up perfectly to the current ZF. And if put in a teritory would help sales.

Stu

[Ace]

I have to agree, but I'll start from the VN :D

We had them in the Military as staff cars. First was a VN, then a VP. Around the same time I bought a new Falcon EBII.

The two makes were chalk and cheese :D

The Holden, although quick to get of the mark, was totally gutless at speed. Did not have that "overtaking" power at freeway speed as the Ford had.

I agree, the fords seem to have the low down grunt where as the holden 6 whilst quick off the mark is somewhat less so in the upper end. I owned a VP and it was a good car, but it was a manual so i didnt have to put up with that crap house 4 speed auto holden used for so long. Stacey owned a VN and i would also say that even though they pretty much look the same they were like chalk and cheese, the VP was a much better car, it used to handle alot better than the VN and felt like a more sold car.

We have an EL Falcon now, and although its approacing 300000km it still drives well and accelerates well. I am pretty sure the speedo cable is on the way out though as the accelerator peddle is a bit dodgy.

and Vlad, i agree mate the new mondeo is a pretty schmik looking car, it wouldnt suprise me if that begins outselling the falcon, with the swing more towards smaller cars due to rising fuel costs the mondeo is a nice compromise for buyers who want something economical but with some size to it.

[Ace]

With regrards to the diesel.

On the ford forums which i trawl every now and then, much research has gone into diesel. Even as far as apparaently there were a few I6 4.0 litre prototypes getting around. The current thoughts from what I have read are that the V6 petrol will go into the fleet cars, and ford will push that the V6TD will bethe premium engine for towing and the V8 for performance. This may be just a pipe dream but the TDV6 would match up perfectly to the current ZF. And if put in a teritory would help sales.

Stu

I agree about the TDV6 in the territory, i reckon it would have to be suffering with the introduction of the captiva by holden, it cheap (being a daewoo and all) and the diesel option would have to be appealing to alot of people. With a diesel territory and falcon i reckon ford would be on a winner.

[Lucus]

My my, what a bunch of landrover snobs we are.

I have two cars,

Ones a 600hp turbo 4ltr ford.

Ones a 4.6 ltr Rover V8.

Guess which one starts everytime, doesnt leak oil and is 100% reliable?

Heres a hint its not the landrover.

Yeah ford make crap cars........;)

[Ace]

My my, what a bunch of landrover snobs we are.

I have two cars,

Ones a 600hp turbo 4ltr ford.

Ones a 4.6 ltr Rover V8.

Guess which one starts everytime, doesnt leak oil and is 100% reliable?

Heres a hint its not the landrover.

Yeah ford make crap cars........;)

ok, you got my attention with 600hp, now can i have some more details please. Pretty please. :D

[Fusion]

My my, what a bunch of landrover snobs we are.

I have two cars,

Ones a 600hp turbo 4ltr ford.

Ones a 4.6 ltr Rover V8.

Guess which one starts everytime, doesnt leak oil and is 100% reliable?

Heres a hint its not the landrover.

Yeah ford make crap cars........;)

For the amount of money you have spent to get it to 600hp it would want to start everytime .

[LandyAndy]

There is 1 huge reason most Taxis are Falcoons.
There is only 1 manufacturer that provides a LPG and vinyl interior option.Ford call it their Taxi pack.
Go the FORDS,if Lowndes hadnt taken the other 2 leaders out with him today would have been another crushing victory like yesterday!!!!
Andrew

[B92 8NW]

I have to agree, but I'll start from the VN :D

We had them in the Military as staff cars. First was a VN, then a VP. Around the same time I bought a new Falcon EBII.

The two makes were chalk and cheese :D

The Holden, although quick to get of the mark, was totally gutless at speed. Did not have that "overtaking" power at freeway speed as the Ford had.

Ron,

Whilst I was shortly Land Rover-less, I drove a VP commodore for some time. Naturally being a P-plater and driving a 90s commodore I couldn't resist the urge to flog it to buggery.

The reason they lack overtaking power at freeway speed is because of the 4L60 autobox - it takes a [hell of a] lot of persuading to kickdown on the freeway. A friendly hoon from Mooroolbark advised I take it to Lilydale Automatics (IIRC) who adjusted it somehow that it kicked down from 4-3 at a very light touch. There is no life under 4000rpm:D

[B92 8NW]

There is 1 huge reason most Taxis are Falcoons.
There is only 1 manufacturer that provides a LPG and vinyl interior option.Ford call it their Taxi pack.


That's the reason Ace... they go for 500,000 km on gas which most Holdens cannot do:(.

As far as cars go though, most of the Ford taxis are in crap condition internally, externally and mechanically. I don't know of any Ford taxi in Melbourne that takes less than 30 seconds of cranking to start.

[Lucus]

03 xr6t ute 340rwkw from 2900rpm to 5800rpm, 780nm from 2500 to 5000. 14psi boost. 6speed t56 manual with custom short ratios,CP pistons, Atomic rods, Nizpro cooler, plenum and pipe work. APS 3.5" to twin 2.5" exhaust. Tuned by extreme ford tuning here in perth. The motor will happily make 400+rwkw with a bigger set of injectors and a surge tank.

Stock turbo apart from ported wastegate and ceramic coated turbine housing.

Gets 500k's out of a tank around town and 730 tp 750 at 110-115kph on the highway.

I love my rangie. I also love having a stupidly fasr street car that starts, idles and drives like a stock car until you put the boot in.

[dobbo]

My my, what a bunch of landrover snobs we are.

I have two cars,

Ones a 600hp turbo 4ltr ford.

Ones a 4.6 ltr Rover V8.

Guess which one starts everytime, doesnt leak oil and is 100% reliable?

Heres a hint its not the landrover.

Yeah ford make crap cars........;)

I have three cars, none leak oil, all start first time, all are Landrover diesels. Although one has an Isuzu badge, so whats the issue?


As for the new falcon, well yes it's a Ford.

Yes I have seen the line up and honestly I think it's as inspirational as Gourmet Baked Beans on Toast. Which ever way you look at it in it's fine packaging, new lights etc.... It's still the same **** you paid 58c a can for last week, it's just this week it's in a new can so you pay $1.50.

[Ace]

That's the reason Ace... they go for 500,000 km on gas which most Holdens cannot do:(.

As far as cars go though, most of the Ford taxis are in crap condition internally, externally and mechanically. I don't know of any Ford taxi in Melbourne that takes less than 30 seconds of cranking to start.

i reckon if you had that many Km's you would take a while to get going aswell :D

[Fusion]

I have three cars, none leak oil, all start first time, all are Landrover diesels. Although one has an Isuzu badge, so whats the issue?


As for the new falcon, well yes it's a Ford.

Yes I have seen the line up and honestly I think it's as inspirational as Gourmet Baked Beans on Toast. Which ever way you look at it in it's fine packaging, new lights etc.... It's still the same **** you paid 58c a can for last week, it's just this week it's in a new can so you pay $1.50.

:clap2::clap2: Well said dobbo .

[walker]

I have three cars, none leak oil, all start first time, all are Landrover diesels. Although one has an Isuzu badge, so whats the issue?


As for the new falcon, well yes it's a Ford.

Yes I have seen the line up and honestly I think it's as inspirational as Gourmet Baked Beans on Toast. Which ever way you look at it in it's fine packaging, new lights etc.... It's still the same **** you paid 58c a can for last week, it's just this week it's in a new can so you pay $1.50.


A bit like the Defender I guess! :angel:


I love my Rangies, but I love my Fords as well.

The XR6T is just one of the best cars I have owned and I have had a lot. Sure the styling is not exactly inspirational but it sure looks better than a Dunnydoor which is probably why they didn't change it much. And to have a stock legal family car which has 270Kw and still gets 13l/100km around town is awsome.

[RonMcGr]

Ron,

Whilst I was shortly Land Rover-less, I drove a VP commodore for some time. Naturally being a P-plater and driving a 90s commodore I couldn't resist the urge to flog it to buggery.

The reason they lack overtaking power at freeway speed is because of the 4L60 autobox - it takes a [hell of a] lot of persuading to kickdown on the freeway. A friendly hoon from Mooroolbark advised I take it to Lilydale Automatics (IIRC) who adjusted it somehow that it kicked down from 4-3 at a very light touch. There is no life under 4000rpm:D

Joel,

Don't blame the transmission, it's fine :D
However, do have a look at the power and torque of both engines, you will be surprised :D

The older Commondore V6 may sound sh*t hot, but as it is like the same Buick based V8 the I drive, GUTLESS!!

[Gillie]

I saw one on Friday in Mount Beauty. It was a blue FPV ute that had a mass of wires all over it and the back panels all tarped up. Up close it looked pretty second hand. It had a laptop in the front but tape all over the dash with writing all over it such as NO AIRBAG on the passenger side and DISCONNECT THE BROWN WIRE sign on the steering wheel. The paint was pretty second hand on the roof where they had had things taped to it. It is fairly common to see new cars before their release up here. With Falls creek, Mt Buffalo and Mt Hotham all nearby it is a good testing ground. Personally I really can't see much difference from the old model to this one. I was dissapointed and expected to see a totally revamped model.

[Ace]

A bit like the Defender I guess! :angel:


I love my Rangies, but I love my Fords as well.

The XR6T is just one of the best cars I have owned and I have had a lot. Sure the styling is not exactly inspirational but it sure looks better than a Dunnydoor which is probably why they didn't change it much. And to have a stock legal family car which has 270Kw and still gets 13l/100km around town is awsome.

what have you done to the XR6T? 270kw is pretty good, they were 240 standard werent they?

[RonMcGr]

I have to admit that the AUIII is the only car I have ever had that has been totally trouble free.

It only has 108,000km on the clock, but in that time the only fault has been a brake light globe, a headlight bulb and a battery :D

It has also been used to drag a caravan for 10,000 km without a spot of trouble. It did not even overheat, travelling though the Hay Plains with caravan at 100kph, when it was 40 degrees in the water bag.

Sure beats the other Fords and Holdens I've owned...

[Ken]

Hmmm Holden eh didnt fair to well at Clipsal :angel:
When is the last time a Holden competed in WRC umm never:angel:
When have Holden dominated F1 :angel:
When have Holden raced Le Mans :angel:
The GTHO Falcon the quickest four door sedan of its time in the world
Oh and by the way my Missus 2.4 Mivec Lancer Snots New V6 Commodores for breakfast :D:D:D
Im a Ford fan if you hadnt noticed :angel:

[Anya45]

After purchasing from new a 2004 BA GT and later on a Territory, I would not go there again. My hubby probably would for the new GT but in terms of bang for your buck, they are lacking in most areas IMHO.

But my Disco rocks :D :D:D

[dobbo]

A bit like the Defender I guess! :angel:


I love my Rangies, but I love my Fords as well.

The XR6T is just one of the best cars I have owned and I have had a lot. Sure the styling is not exactly inspirational but it sure looks better than a Dunnydoor which is probably why they didn't change it much. And to have a stock legal family car which has 270Kw and still gets 13l/100km around town is awsome.

Exactly the reason Why I was more than happy to pay $2500 on an old County instead of parting with the D2 and spending $55000 on a new Defender.

If I needed a new sedan, I'd look at a Honda or a Subaru

[rovercare]

We have an EL Falcon now, and although its approacing 300000km it still drives well and accelerates well. I am pretty sure the speedo cable is on the way out though as the accelerator peddle is a bit dodgy.

.
Pssst, your EL doesn't have a speedo cable;)

[LandyAndy]

Neither did my XD I owned many years ago:D:D:D:D
Andrew

[Ace]

Pssst, your EL doesn't have a speedo cable;)

thanks for that, i meant accelerator cable. Ours isnt a digital speedo, does it still not have a speedo cable?

[rovercare]

thanks for that dobbo, i meant accelerator cable. I think the previous owner may have fiddled with it.

Dobbo:eek::mad:

[Ace]

Dobbo:eek::mad:

sorry mate, i looked at the page and dobbo was the last to reply, then when i opened it you had replied whilst the page was opening (dialup) i didnt even look at who posted it, i assumed it was him.

I did edit it once i realised what i did

[LandyAndy]

Hi Ace
Falcoons lost their speedo cables when the XD came along in 1979,been electronic since WAY BACK THEN!!!!
Andrew

[dobbo]

Dobbo:eek::mad:

You know you'd love to be me for a day.


;);)

[rovercare]

What LandyAndy said:D

[long stroke]

General body shape looks a little like a current Camery.

What he said:D

[rovercare]

You know you'd love to be me for a day.


;);)


Atleast I'd post pics:D

[B92 8NW]

Atleast I'd post pics:D

With the day's newspaper in situ?:o










:D

[rovercare]

With the day's newspaper in situ?:o










:D

Of course, although I am full of **** remember:eek::D

[dobbo]

Of course, although I am full of **** remember:eek::D

It was never a case of doubting your ability, more a case of needing to see pictures, not out of disbelief but out of curiousity, saying you were FOS was a quick and easy way to get the pictures, which I thanked you for. I'm sorry for upsetting and offending you.

Speaking of which are you coming up to Cooma? You can come for a drink with Rangieman and myself? I think I owe you a few beers for offending you.

If not how about this then


I AM SORRY ROVERCARE

[rovercare]

It was never a case of doubting your ability, more a case of needing to see pictures, not out of disbelief but out of curiousity, saying you were FOS was a quick and easy way to get the pictures, which I thanked you for. I'm sorry for upsetting and offending you.

Speaking of which are you coming up to Cooma? You can come for a drink with Rangieman and myself? I think I owe you a few beers for offending you.

If not how about this then


I AM SORRY ROVERCARE

You didn't offend me in the slightest, I'm just taking the **** and whinging for the sake of it:D It was the nasty PM that I got that was the best part of that little saga;)

Dunno about Cooma, will see, shift work does wonders for weekends off:mad:

[B92 8NW]

It was never a case of doubting your ability, more a case of needing to see pictures, not out of disbelief but out of curiousity, saying you were FOS was a quick and easy way to get the pictures, which I thanked you for. I'm sorry for upsetting and offending you.

Speaking of which are you coming up to Cooma? You can come for a drink with Rangieman and myself? I think I owe you a few beers for offending you.

If not how about this then


I AM SORRY ROVERCARE

Awwww, so much love in this place:eek::D

[dobbo]

You didn't offend me in the slightest, I'm just taking the **** and whinging for the sake of it:D It was the nasty PM that I got that was the best part of that little saga;)

Dunno about Cooma, will see, shift work does wonders for weekends off:mad:


Who sent the nasty pm? Not I, I only send them to fwits.

[rovercare]

Who sent the nasty pm? Not I, I only send them to fwits.

Pretty sure the process of elimination would quickly highlight who it was:D

[BigJon]

.
4) for such **** cars ford did a pretty damn good job at Adelaide on the weekend,

Arrgh.... :mad:

Why is it when people start debating the various merits of road going cars, the V8 Supercars have to come into the conversation??

V8 Supercars owe NOTHING to the road going counterparts apart from vagualy similar body panels.

Engines, gearboxes, diffs, suspension are all different. So different that the engines are different capacities, different valve actuation and/or different materials of manufacture, when compared to the road cars! They have no relevance to road cars at all.

It annoys me that people get so passionate about this sort of thing when they seem to have no idea what they are talking about!

PS: I am not having a go at you in particular Ace, I did selectively edit your post where you did mention that they don't have anything in common. Your post was just an easy one to use as an example :p.

[Redback]

Just another update of a very ordinary car - needs a whole new model - suppose they make good taxis.


Yep my thoughts too.

Baz.

[Ace]

Arrgh.... :mad:

Why is it when people start debating the various merits of road going cars, the V8 Supercars have to come into the conversation??

V8 Supercars owe NOTHING to the road going counterparts apart from vagualy similar body panels.

Engines, gearboxes, diffs, suspension are all different. So different that the engines are different capacities, different valve actuation and/or different materials of manufacture, when compared to the road cars! They have no relevance to road cars at all.

It annoys me that people get so passionate about this sort of thing when they seem to have no idea what they are talking about!

PS: I am not having a go at you in particular Ace, I did selectively edit your post where you did mention that they don't have anything in common. Your post was just an easy one to use as an example :p.

All good mate, i just thought i'd join in on the ford v holden debate and that seemed like handy material, but you are right they arent holden or fords, most are now using sequential boxs instead of the H-pattern.

[Ace]

It was the nasty PM that I got that was the best part of that little saga;)

twas not i either, i am a good boy your honor

[stevo68]

I have owned 3 Fords now, was a Holden man and then got an AU for a company car....ended up buying it. I grew to love its look and it handled superbly, interior etc was what one would expect for that sort of vehicle, was reliable and sold it to my SIL and its still going strong. Then got a Ford Territory, again another great vehicle but sold it to get D3 as wanted an off roader. Around same time got a special version of the XR6 ( ie full leather, premium sound etc) and again another great vehicle for what you pay. The handling in both the Falcons was on par with Mercs I have driven, I think for the price you pay you get a bloody good vehicle. For sure you will get those that will say they are crap, unreliable etc.....just like people who don't own LR's. I'd quite happily buy another,

Regards

Stevo

[CraigE]

Lets make a whole new ford :lol2::lol2::lol2:. I don't think new head lights , tail lights and mags from a mondeo make it a WHOLE new car .
Ford only seem to make one good car every 20 odd years and the BA was the last one and they are holding on to that for as long as they can . but it will get car of the year just because it needs it to sell cars to stay alive ..... wonder how much the bribe will be this year :wasntme:
Was trying to think where the styling came from, as soon as I read Mondeo it rang a loud bell.
It is about time Ford came up with something original for the Falcon and stopped copying everyone and everything else. What happend the originality of the 70s and 80's.

[CraigE]

They certainly do!

No self respecting "Hoon" would be seen dead in a Falcon!
It's an image thing :D

Football, meat pies, Kangaroos and Holden cars.

The funny thing is the Commondore was based an a German car (Opel Commodore). It has not been an Australian designed car since the last "Kingswood".
The VB-VN were based on Opels. Since then are not. Yes they do share some componentry, but so do all Ford cars with their o/s cousins and jap variants.
Why is it Holden export Comodores o/s if Opel make the same??? Because they do not anymore.

[CraigE]

My my, what a bunch of landrover snobs we are.

I have two cars,

Ones a 600hp turbo 4ltr ford.

Ones a 4.6 ltr Rover V8.

Guess which one starts everytime, doesnt leak oil and is 100% reliable?

Heres a hint its not the landrover.

Yeah ford make crap cars........;)
Would like to see the true dyno figures on the supposed 600hp Ford turbo 4lt. Too many people bandy around horsepower figures like that. 600hp is huge power. And talking to real people in the industry to get reliable power like that to the rear wheels would take an investment of around $40-50k.

[BigJon]

, most are now using sequential boxs instead of the H-pattern.

I believe the actual gearbox is the same, just a choice of H gate or sequential shifter.

[Andy-M]

The company cars at my work are a mix of both Falcon and Commodore. Most days they are driven in a calm orderly manner and both are quite comfortable and reliable :wheelchair:.

Every now and then they are treated as if they were stolen and flogged within an inch of their life. High speeds, weaving in between lines of traffic, heavy braking, quick acceleration, fast U turns and so on.

Under the above circumstances the Commodore's outshine the Falcon's and is a much more capable vehicle, I will update you on the new Falcons performance when we aquire one. (we had a Fiesta for a weekend, it was crap, nasty hoons pointed their fingers at me and laughed!)


Cheers Andy

[RonMcGr]

The VB-VN were based on Opels. Since then are not. Yes they do share some componentry, but so do all Ford cars with their o/s cousins and jap variants.
Why is it Holden export Comodores o/s if Opel make the same??? Because they do not anymore.

Opel only stopped building large cars several years ago.
Vauxhall had the same car, but with a smaller motor.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Opel Omega

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Naturally the Holden Vectra is an opel, as were some of the other small Holdens.

Opel Kadett.. look familiar?
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[Searover]

03 xr6t ute 340rwkw from 2900rpm to 5800rpm, 780nm from 2500 to 5000. 14psi boost. 6speed t56 manual with custom short ratios,CP pistons, Atomic rods, Nizpro cooler, plenum and pipe work. APS 3.5" to twin 2.5" exhaust. Tuned by extreme ford tuning here in perth. The motor will happily make 400+rwkw with a bigger set of injectors and a surge tank.

Stock turbo apart from ported wastegate and ceramic coated turbine housing.

Gets 500k's out of a tank around town and 730 tp 750 at 110-115kph on the highway.

I love my rangie. I also love having a stupidly fasr street car that starts, idles and drives like a stock car until you put the boot in.

Hey Lucas

The mods, done by Extrem Ford tuning?

And just to add to the debate we have just replaced company Magnas with the latest Commodors and all the guys are disgruntled and would change back to the Magnas given the option.

[VladTepes]

Was trying to think where the styling came from, as soon as I read Mondeo it rang a loud bell.
It is about time Ford came up with something original for the Falcon and stopped copying everyone and everything else. What happend the originality of the 70s and 80's.

Ford are copyting themselves now are they ?

Shock ! Horror !

Hang on I think that the Freelander 2, might have copied the D3, might have copied the RR Vogue, which miught also have been copied (rather heavily I suspect) by the RR Sport !

It's brand image.

Whether you like the image.... well, that's up to you !

[incisor]

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/general-chat/51728-withdrawl-symptoms-should-end-arvo.html

...

[moose]

Cool, holden versus ford banter in the landy forum!:D

[stevo68]

Hang on I think that the Freelander 2, might have copied the D3, might have copied the RR Vogue, which miught also have been copied (rather heavily I suspect) by the RR Sport !
Get it right mate, they all copied the D3 :p,

Regards

Stevo

[Lucus]

Hey Lucas

The mods, done by Extrem Ford tuning?

And just to add to the debate we have just replaced company Magnas with the latest Commodors and all the guys are disgruntled and would change back to the Magnas given the option.


Yeah Simon built the motor and it was featured in perth street car last year (the engine that is, it was going into another car at the time)

I did all the other work myself as im a heavy duty mech and my cars are my hobby's

Where abouts in the perth hills are you?

Luke

[dobbo]

The handling in both the Falcons was on par with Mercs I have driven, I think for the price you pay you get a bloody good vehicle. For sure you will get those that will say they are crap, unreliable etc.....just like people who don't own LR's. I'd quite happily buy another,

Regards

Stevo


Ironically both vehicle you have mentioned are used as taxis, company cars and hire cars for a reason, in their country of manufacture they are cheap, reliable hum drum vehicles in base form and in top speck overpriced, hum drum vehicles with plastic bits attached.

They are as exciting as doing the dishes, has as much personality as a level 5 beaurocrat and make you feel like Dolly the sheep as you drive it around.

How can anything within the same classes as these vehicles handles on the road, when they are all clad with $100 RRP tyres, cheap shocks and very limited (if any) balancing of the chassis?

[stevo68]

Ironically both vehicle you have mentioned are used as taxis, company cars and hire cars for a reason, in their country of manufacture they are cheap, reliable hum drum vehicles in base form and in top speck overpriced, hum drum vehicles with plastic bits attached.

They are as exciting as doing the dishes, has as much personality as a level 5 beaurocrat and make you feel like Dolly the sheep as you drive it around.

How can anything within the same classes as these vehicles handles on the road, when they are all clad with $100 RRP tyres? Geez mate and here I was defending you in another thread :p. Now I have driven a Ford GTP, a Mercedes CLK 55 AMG, a CL600, a 500SE, a C180 and they are far from hum drum vehicles with plastic attached. Most vehicles are built to a target audience, majority of people drive vehicles for one thing........transport....to get from A-B. For others it will be passion or pursuit. Ultimately any sort of comparo is a mute point as people will buy to budget and brand,

Regards

Stevo

[CraigE]

Ron,
nothing is really original in any car now. However I was led to believe that Holden Australia designed the VT and Opel actually borrowed the design from them. Same with VN up. I actually have a very good book called project VN that backs this up. Yes there was input from Opel and GM and that is to be expected as they are one company same as Ford. My point about the Mondeo was when I saw the Falcon I knew it looked familiar and it was the Mondeo look and I hate Mondeos. Personal taste.
I really think Ford have buried themselves with the new Falcon, probablly their last chance at the domestic market with the Falcon. The BA was OK, but only OK. The Commodores were so much better in every way, hence why they sell more. The VE is still growing on me though.

Opel only stopped building large cars several years ago.
Vauxhall had the same car, but with a smaller motor.

http://www.limaexec.co.uk/images/Omega.jpg

Opel Omega

http://media.autobild.de/bild/9/6229d89ce9a86eee9860236e2aefaef9_1.jpg

Naturally the Holden Vectra is an opel, as were some of the other small Holdens.

Opel Kadett.. look familiar?
http://www.historisk-opelklub.dk/Medlemsbiler/Herberts%20Kadett%20C%20City%201,2%201976/Kadetten%20002.jpg

[CraigE]

Lucas,
Do not take what I said the wrong way. You may have a 600hp motor and may be able to prove it. But in my experience these type of figures get tossed around a lot and usually can not be backed up. I love to see it when they can though. Forgive me for being a bit sceptical but 600hp or 400kw at the rear wheel of a Ford 6 is fairly dramatic and I know what I have been quoted by Perkins Racing and a few others to get this sort of hp reliablly in a 5 litre Holden. Achievable, but damn expensive.
:D:D

Yeah Simon built the motor and it was featured in perth street car last year (the engine that is, it was going into another car at the time)

I did all the other work myself as im a heavy duty mech and my cars are my hobby's

Where abouts in the perth hills are you?

Luke

[Searover]

Yeah Simon built the motor and it was featured in perth street car last year (the engine that is, it was going into another car at the time)

I did all the other work myself as im a heavy duty mech and my cars are my hobby's

Where abouts in the perth hills are you?

Luke

Live in Chidlow, works located in Midvale, was just around the corner from Extreme ford but they moved.

I had an XY ute in very good condition with the intention of shoe horning an XR6T motor into, lost my way and sold her :(but on the look out for another.

Mark

[Lucus]

Lucas,
Do not take what I said the wrong way. You may have a 600hp motor and may be able to prove it. But in my experience these type of figures get tossed around a lot and usually can not be backed up. I love to see it when they can though. Forgive me for being a bit sceptical but 600hp or 400kw at the rear wheel of a Ford 6 is fairly dramatic and I know what I have been quoted by Perkins Racing and a few others to get this sort of hp reliablly in a 5 litre Holden. Achievable, but damn expensive.
:D:D

Hi Craig,
I have a plethora of dyno sheets ranging from 318rwkw up to 350rwkw depending on who's dyno it was one and how it was loaded up on the dyno.
The car has a built engine and a very effcient intake and exhaust system.
The xr6 turbo is able to produce 400rwkw from the stock turbo and exhaust manifold. My car doesn't have 400 rwkw. It does dyno consistanly at 340rwkw(444hp) and a commonly used rule of thumb is rear wheel kilowatts= flywheel horsepower, Which puts it around 595hp(close enough to 600hp in my books)
Now i havent had the engine removed from the chassis and on the dyno but i feel this is a fairly acurate comparission.

340rwkw is considered common place for these cars these day and unless you have 370 to 390 your lagging behind the pack.

Simon from Xtreme Ford tuning has an f6 typhoon that produces 500+rwkw but this care does have an upgraded turbo and 4" exhaust system.

It is very easy to make big hp on a boosted motor compared to an NA motor.

the whole exersice would have probably cost me 15 to 18g start to finish if i didnt do the mech work myself and have a mate that runs a tuning business


cheers
Luke

Craig have a look at <Ford XR6 Turbo.com> (http://www.fordxr6turbo.com), there is a wealth of information about these cars and what they are capable of. Send me a pm next time your in perth and i'l take you for a quick spin if you like.

cheers
Luke

[BigJon]

I used to have a WB ute with around 200 rwkw and that was very fast indeed. I don't know what you blokes do with all of that power :eek:.

[BigJon]

It does dyno consistanly at 340rwkw(444hp) and a commonly used rule of thumb is rear wheel kilowatts= flywheel horsepower, Which puts it around 595hp(close enough to 600hp in my books)


I can't make sense of this at all. Please explain in little words for slow people like me :D. Surely what you are saying is you are making 340 flywheel horsepower, which isn't much at all...

[Searover]

I used to have a WB ute with around 200 rwkw and that was very fast indeed. I don't know what you blokes do with all of that power :eek:.

Yeh, but thats Holden kw.:p

[Lucus]

Live in Chidlow, works located in Midvale, was just around the corner from Extreme ford but they moved.

I had an XY ute in very good condition with the intention of shoe horning an XR6T motor into, lost my way and sold her :(but on the look out for another.

Mark

Hi Mark,
Simon moved to Bushby street in midland. I live in swanview and work in south guildford. If you spot a purple xr6t ute around that area with a mastif cross strapped into the tray its probably me. I would love to do a mk1 capri with an xr6t motor.
That would be a fun car...:angel:

Luke

[Lucus]

I can't make sense of this at all. Please explain in little words for slow people like me :D. Surely what you are saying is you are making 340 flywheel horsepower, which isn't much at all...

340 kilowatts in 4th gear at the back wheels. Which is aprox 455hp.

[BigJon]

It was your conversion to flywheel horsepower that had me confused.

[BigJon]

Yeh, but thats Holden kw.:p

And they are different to any other kw? Mine were real ones as measured on a dyno, not made up pub bragging ones :D.

[Searover]

Hi Mark,
Simon moved to Bushby street in midland. I live in swanview and work in south guildford. If you spot a purple xr6t ute around that area with a mastif cross strapped into the tray its probably me. I would love to do a mk1 capri with an xr6t motor.
That would be a fun car...:angel:

Luke

Hi luke, think I've seen you around, will keep an eye out.

Working in sth Guildford, not the Cat dealer? if so did you know Wally in the oil Lab, retired a few years now, thats the OLD man.

Would love to see the Capri idea, have always liked the Capri shape.

Will be in contact with Simon if I can find another ute.

Cheers
Mark

[Lucus]

It was your conversion to flywheel horsepower that had me confused.

Rear wheel horsepower = flywheel kilowatts 450rwhp-450flywheel kilowatts.
This conversion allows aprox 24% drivetrain loss which is fairly acurate for a high hp car.

200rwhp = 200fly wheel kilowatts = 260flywheel horsepower.

[Lucus]

Hi luke, think I've seen you around, will keep an eye out.

Working in sth Guildford, not the Cat dealer? if so did you know Wally in the oil Lab, retired a few years now, thats the OLD man.

Would love to see the Capri idea, have always liked the Capri shape.

Will be in contact with Simon if I can find another ute.

Cheers
Mark

Yeah mate i work for westrac. Whats your old boys surname?

cheers
Luke

[BigJon]

commonly used rule of thumb is rear wheel kilowatts= flywheel horsepower,

This is from your original post. Hence the confusion. You had your kilowatts and horsepower around the wrong way.

[Lucus]

This is from your original post. Hence the confusion. You had your kilowatts and horsepower around the wrong way.

Sorry mate my mistake....:angel:

[Matman]

03 xr6t ute 340rwkw from 2900rpm to 5800rpm, 780nm from 2500 to 5000. 14psi boost. 6speed t56 manual with custom short ratios,CP pistons, Atomic rods, Nizpro cooler, plenum and pipe work. APS 3.5" to twin 2.5" exhaust. Tuned by extreme ford tuning here in perth. The motor will happily make 400+rwkw with a bigger set of injectors and a surge tank.

Stock turbo apart from ported wastegate and ceramic coated turbine housing.

Gets 500k's out of a tank around town and 730 tp 750 at 110-115kph on the highway.

I love my rangie. I also love having a stupidly fasr street car that starts, idles and drives like a stock car until you put the boot in.

Lucas awesome car.My mate just bought a new GT it has 302kw's and gets 10-12Ltrs per hundred on a trip.He will be getting a Edit done on it and exhaust should be good for 360+ kws at flywheel.Also his mate has got a xr8 ute which is blown and running 5 pounds of boost,and has a bit of clutch slippage lol.Is good for 480hp at the rears.Hes getting the clutch sorted soon and turning up the boost to 12 or so pounds,plus a few other goodies is hoping for 600RWHP.

[sclarke]

Did i miss something while i was away???

WOW a new falcon... When i left i was just getting used to the New Cortina...........

[Searover]

Yeah mate i work for westrac. Whats your old boys surname?

cheers
Luke

"HRYB" ( HERB ) Hard to forget that one.

[CraigE]

Your figures are making more sense now. Even though I am a Holden man, given the opprtunity if we meet would love to see your XR6 and what it can do. Many many times on the line with my standard V8 Torana SS and guys would be quoting 500-600hp at the rears in everything from Falcons, SS Commodores (VB-VH), Monaros, EHs etc etc and the SS stock would beat them, so a lot of reluctance to take talk on face value these days.;). Were a few genuine, but not many. Even today a lot of rice burners claiming high figures, and the wifes old VT wagon 5 litre (dynoed at 230kw at rears) would flog them and then they would start crying there car was not in tune etc etc. The wagon was ok but it was no drag car. The wife currently has a WK Stato and while it is 240kw it is fairly sedate and I reckon the VT wagon went harder. If time and money permit intend to get the WK 5.7 up to a little over 300kw, so I can still keep it a decent every day drive. Looking at putting a 6litre gen 4 in the Torana when I get the cash. Will keep the original v8 and crate it.
Cheers
CraigE
Killowatts to Horsepower:

HP --> KW:
* Horsepower x 0.746 = KW's
eg 200hp x 0.746 = 149.2KW's

KW --> HP:
* KW x 1.34 = Horsepower
eg 149.2kw x 1.34 = 200hp


Hi Craig,
I have a plethora of dyno sheets ranging from 318rwkw up to 350rwkw depending on who's dyno it was one and how it was loaded up on the dyno.
The car has a built engine and a very effcient intake and exhaust system.
The xr6 turbo is able to produce 400rwkw from the stock turbo and exhaust manifold. My car doesn't have 400 rwkw. It does dyno consistanly at 340rwkw(444hp) and a commonly used rule of thumb is rear wheel kilowatts= flywheel horsepower, Which puts it around 595hp(close enough to 600hp in my books)
Now i havent had the engine removed from the chassis and on the dyno but i feel this is a fairly acurate comparission.

340rwkw is considered common place for these cars these day and unless you have 370 to 390 your lagging behind the pack.

Simon from Xtreme Ford tuning has an f6 typhoon that produces 500+rwkw but this care does have an upgraded turbo and 4" exhaust system.

It is very easy to make big hp on a boosted motor compared to an NA motor.

the whole exersice would have probably cost me 15 to 18g start to finish if i didnt do the mech work myself and have a mate that runs a tuning business


cheers
Luke

Craig have a look at <Ford XR6 Turbo.com> (http://www.fordxr6turbo.com), there is a wealth of information about these cars and what they are capable of. Send me a pm next time your in perth and i'l take you for a quick spin if you like.

cheers
Luke

[HangOver]

Ford only seem to make one good car every 20 odd years and the BA was the last one

hmm I think the last good one was the GTO
I bought a BA and the...........; well I'll not bore you but just don't.
I sold my Sonata and thought I was upgrading, how wrong can you be!
I wish I had bought a ...................


















well, anything really, except a camry , (awful to drive IMO)

[rovercare]

hmm I think the last good one was the GTO
I bought a BA and the...........; well I'll not bore you but just don't.
I sold my Sonata and thought I was upgrading, how wrong can you be!
I wish I had bought a ...................


















well, anything really, except a camry , (awful to drive IMO)

Ford made a GTO??????? well there you go:imwithstupid:

[HangOver]

Ford made a GTO??????? well there you go:imwithstupid:



huh ? what did I miss??



I don't know of any Ford taxi in Melbourne that takes less than 30 seconds of cranking to start. coz they are in dedicated gas? On a good day and new plugs mine will take about 3-4 seconds; but then again it doesn't have 1/2 a million miles on it.

[rovercare]

huh ? what did I miss??
.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, the fact that Ford never made a GTO perhaps;)

GTHO maybe:p

Edit: thats ford australia:D

[HangOver]

Ahhhhhh now I understand you mean THIS :eek: (http://www.hsv.com.au/cars/vz/wallpapers/gtocoupe_800.jpg)
Sorry about the mistake I was meaning the REAL GTO (http://picasaweb.google.com/bello1666/VPBankClassics2007/photo#5106022793389158738) :cool:

Saying that give the choice from those two I'd still pick a Landy ;)

[rovercare]

It hough you meant this 1971 Ford XY GTHO - Astigmatism (http://kentholloway.net/mt/archives/000390.html)

But calling it a GTO;)

[HangOver]

when you look at cars internationally things get confusing for example in the UK they have a, (GM/Vauxhaull) Holden Carlton.
Imagine driving that you wouldn't know whether to drive it or drink it :D

Then there is the daewoo nexia that's identical to the holden astra.
Then there's the UK Corsa = Australian Barina = Daewoo Kalos

you get the idea I'm sure


Back on topic: Holden rulez! :twisted::D:D

[rovercare]

when you look at cars internationally things get confusing for example in the UK they have a, (GM/Vauxhaull) Holden Carlton.
Imagine driving that you wouldn't know whether to drive it or drink it :D

Then there is the daewoo nexia that's identical to the holden astra.
Then there's the UK Corsa = Australian Barina = Daewoo Kalos

you get the idea I'm sure


Back on topic: Holden rulez! :twisted::D:D


Back on topic, you though a GTHO was a GTO:p:D

[Lucus]

Hi Craig,
What sort of times have you been getting out of the torana?

My ute used to be a 4spd auto and with aprox 290/300rwkw the fastest it ran was 12.6 at 123mph. That was with a 2.1 sec 60ft (slower than a wet week do to stock stall speed....:)) The car now has a 6 speed manual in it and i have run a 13 flat at 128mph and a 2.2sec 60ft with the manual. I recently changed to the 3.47 diff gears to 4.09 but havent had a chance to run the car since. I think the diff gears would definatly help the 60ft time but i dunno about the et as i think i would run out of revs before the line and may have to drop it into 5th which obviously wont help much. I think there is more in the car with a bit more practice.
I know a couple of blokes here in perth, who are both much better drivers than me and they have run conistent 11.8/11.9's at 123/124mph. both guys managed to cut sub 2 sec 60's but they have to work the car pretty hard to get them off the line, and im not prepared to kill a $1800 clutch just to get a timeslip(ie flat shifting on gear changes), both cars where tuned by simon from xtreme ford tuning and had 340/350rwkw at the time.

I would imagine if your torana is making decent power it would put the hurting on older model cars unless they are making bulk power as the old torries are pretty light arent they?

cheers
Luke

Your figures are making more sense now. Even though I am a Holden man, given the opprtunity if we meet would love to see your XR6 and what it can do. Many many times on the line with my standard V8 Torana SS and guys would be quoting 500-600hp at the rears in everything from Falcons, SS Commodores (VB-VH), Monaros, EHs etc etc and the SS stock would beat them, so a lot of reluctance to take talk on face value these days.;). Were a few genuine, but not many. Even today a lot of rice burners claiming high figures, and the wifes old VT wagon 5 litre (dynoed at 230kw at rears) would flog them and then they would start crying there car was not in tune etc etc. The wagon was ok but it was no drag car. The wife currently has a WK Stato and while it is 240kw it is fairly sedate and I reckon the VT wagon went harder. If time and money permit intend to get the WK 5.7 up to a little over 300kw, so I can still keep it a decent every day drive. Looking at putting a 6litre gen 4 in the Torana when I get the cash. Will keep the original v8 and crate it.
Cheers
CraigE
Killowatts to Horsepower:

HP --> KW:
* Horsepower x 0.746 = KW's
eg 200hp x 0.746 = 149.2KW's

KW --> HP:
* KW x 1.34 = Horsepower
eg 149.2kw x 1.34 = 200hp

[HangOver]

Back on topic, you though a GTHO was a GTO:p:D


LOL no mate I was pointing out differences in names.
Coming from the UK I didn't even know holden made a GTO :D
but I know Ford do.

I did a quick google:

Ford GTO RS 200 - For Sale (http://www.marcopolomotorsports.com/gto/index.htm)
Engineering Expo: Ford GTO (http://www.engr.wisc.edu/studentorgs/bmes/pic/Spring2005/Expo/Webpages/GTO2.htm)
Stock Photo of Ford GTO (http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-1217948.html)

[dobbo]

LOL no mate I was pointing out differences in names.
Coming from the UK I didn't even know holden made a GTO :D
but I know Ford do.

I did a quick google:

Ford GTO RS 200 - For Sale (http://www.marcopolomotorsports.com/gto/index.htm)
Engineering Expo: Ford GTO (http://www.engr.wisc.edu/studentorgs/bmes/pic/Spring2005/Expo/Webpages/GTO2.htm)
Stock Photo of Ford GTO (http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-1217948.html)


The first ones an old rally car, the second and third are actually images of a car known as a GT40


Pontiac GTO - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac_GTO)

Try that link, Holden do make a GTO and they don't. The yanks being wanks could not have an Orsey muscle car being sold over there so they rebadged the Holden Monaro to become the Pontiac GTO.

[MacMan]

I have no idea why, but these days both Ford and Holden seem fixated on making cars that are unpleasant for tall people to occupy in front OR back. This one looks to be a slight improvement with the shape of the top of the windscreen, but sitting in the back of any Ford over the last 5 years is a joke.

I thought they broke the ugly stick on the AU, but perhaps they still have some useful twigs left...

[CraigE]

Lucas,
Never really had it timed. It is a stock 253 with a 3.55 lsd. My point was that there are a lot of people who rant but then can not put up. A mate taught me how to flat change and I think this is what helped. I would say mid/high 15s unofficially timed. Point was it beat some 308 and 302/351 vehicles that the owners were quoting extraordinary power figures, which we knew to be b/s. My Torana was and is not fast but power to weight they are not bad either. A friend had a yellow SS that he built up himself and used to run high 12s and was clocked by the cops on 2 passes at 270kmph. That was a quick Torana. Another friend had a black SS with a 454 chevy in it and I used to drive that a bit and would run low 12s. Of course we are talking mid eighties to late eighties for these cars. My uncles brother had an SS Torana drag car with a rat 454 that would pull high 9s. The VT we hadfrom 2001-2004 and was not bad. Not surewhich way I will go when rebuiding/restoring the Torana but thinking about a 6litre with 6 spd manual conversion. In a little Torana 300kw out of the box will be quick and street driveable still. Maybe as I can afford it get some engine work done. Or maybe gut the 253 and blow it. Biggest issue is fuel compatability and availability for these cars. Of course need to raise the money first. Having said all that there was not much that could aty with my Suzuki GSX1100 Katana, different class I know but damn fast for a bike of that age.
Cheers
CraigE

Hi Craig,
What sort of times have you been getting out of the torana?

My ute used to be a 4spd auto and with aprox 290/300rwkw the fastest it ran was 12.6 at 123mph. That was with a 2.1 sec 60ft (slower than a wet week do to stock stall speed....:)) The car now has a 6 speed manual in it and i have run a 13 flat at 128mph and a 2.2sec 60ft with the manual. I recently changed to the 3.47 diff gears to 4.09 but havent had a chance to run the car since. I think the diff gears would definatly help the 60ft time but i dunno about the et as i think i would run out of revs before the line and may have to drop it into 5th which obviously wont help much. I think there is more in the car with a bit more practice.
I know a couple of blokes here in perth, who are both much better drivers than me and they have run conistent 11.8/11.9's at 123/124mph. both guys managed to cut sub 2 sec 60's but they have to work the car pretty hard to get them off the line, and im not prepared to kill a $1800 clutch just to get a timeslip(ie flat shifting on gear changes), both cars where tuned by simon from xtreme ford tuning and had 340/350rwkw at the time.

I would imagine if your torana is making decent power it would put the hurting on older model cars unless they are making bulk power as the old torries are pretty light arent they?

cheers
Luke

[CraigE]

I have no idea why, but these days both Ford and Holden seem fixated on making cars that are unpleasant for tall people to occupy in front OR back. This one looks to be a slight improvement with the shape of the top of the windscreen, but sitting in the back of any Ford over the last 5 years is a joke.

I thought they broke the ugly stick on the AU, but perhaps they still have some useful twigs left...
You guys should drive a late model Statesman. We have a WK 2003 and it is a magnificent car. Comfortable, nice to drive and not bad on fuel.

[B92 8NW]

Back on topic, you though a GTHO was a GTO:p:D

GTO, GTHO it doesn't matter. Its Holden or GTFO:o:o:o:D

[HangOver]

Try that link, Holden do make a GTO and they don't. The yanks being wanks could not have an Orsey muscle car being sold over there so they rebadged the Holden Monaro to become the Pontiac GTO.
I stand corrected, humiliated and ashamed, I will instantly commit harikari
Hang-on though I drive a Falcon, it's just a matter of time :D:D:D:D



I thought they broke the ugly stick on the AU, but perhaps they still have some useful twigs left...
LOL
They must have an orchard have you seen the Ford Fiesta Zetec :D

[dobbo]

I stand corrected, humiliated and ashamed, I will instantly commit harikari
Hang-on though I drive a Falcon, it's just a matter of time :D:D:D:D



Mate if you do commit hari-kari, could I have your sword?

[Fusion]

Holden didn't make the GTO but HSV did . They only made a certain number of them for a short time .
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2008/02/93.jpg

[rovercare]

Lucas,
Never really had it timed. It is a stock 253 with a 3.55 lsd. My point was that there are a lot of people who rant but then can not put up. A mate taught me how to flat change and I think this is what helped. I would say mid/high 15s unofficially timed. Point was it beat some 308 and 302/351 vehicles that the owners were quoting extraordinary power figures, which we knew to be b/s. My Torana was and is not fast but power to weight they are not bad either. A friend had a yellow SS that he built up himself and used to run high 12s and was clocked by the cops on 2 passes at 270kmph. That was a quick Torana. Another friend had a black SS with a 454 chevy in it and I used to drive that a bit and would run low 12s. Of course we are talking mid eighties to late eighties for these cars. My uncles brother had an SS Torana drag car with a rat 454 that would pull high 9s. The VT we hadfrom 2001-2004 and was not bad. Not surewhich way I will go when rebuiding/restoring the Torana but thinking about a 6litre with 6 spd manual conversion. In a little Torana 300kw out of the box will be quick and street driveable still. Maybe as I can afford it get some engine work done. Or maybe gut the 253 and blow it. Biggest issue is fuel compatability and availability for these cars. Of course need to raise the money first. Having said all that there was not much that could aty with my Suzuki GSX1100 Katana, different class I know but damn fast for a bike of that age.
Cheers
CraigE

Lots of claims there but no proof?:D you can see how people mention times and horspower but without proof its all BS, who hassled Lucus for proof, where;s yours:p

[BigJon]

Holden didn't make the GTO but HSV did . They only made a certain number of them for a short time .
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2008/02/93.jpg

Two things,

1: Holden made that car, HSV just put on the body kit and tweaked it a little.
2: The Monaro sold in the USA was badged as a GTO and that was also built by Holden.

[Fusion]

Two things,

1: Holden made that car, HSV just put on the body kit and tweaked it a little.
2: The Monaro sold in the USA was badged as a GTO and that was also built by Holden.

all true . but what i was saying is that there was a GTO in Australia as earlier someone had stated that they only had the GTO in the states ;).

[B92 8NW]

Lots of claims there but no proof?:D you can see how people mention times and horspower but without proof its all BS, who hassled Lucus for proof, where;s yours:p

Yeah come on Lucus, photos of the dyno sheet alongside the day's newspaper (preferably the Latrobe Valley Express), plus your TFN and birth certificate:o:D

[Lucus]

Yeah thats not going to happen. I dont have to prove anything to anybody on here or anywhere for that matter.....:D

I know what the car can do and im happy with it so thats all that matters to me.

[rovercare]

Yeah come on Lucus, photos of the dyno sheet alongside the day's newspaper (preferably the Latrobe Valley Express), plus your TFN and birth certificate:o:D

I was wanting CraigE's proof, he hassled Lucus first, I thought it was only fair that Craig backed up these claims, might aswell make it sound like a commodore forum hey:D

[sclarke]

Damn this is really a who produces more HP....

Bugger it all......

I know a bloke who broke the 300mph record over the 1/4, time was 4.67 off memory

Darren Morgan (Brother in law)
Top Fuel Dragster (http://www.darrenmorganracing.com.au/website13.asp?CategoryID=1532&parentID=1503&sideParent=1532)

Now that is real HP... not Girly HSV and FPV......:D

If i recall, my Defender produces 60kw?? and its quarter times are about 11's











Minutes

:o:o:o



Now the real Specs....

TOP FUEL DRAG RACING
It’s all about the figures with a Top Fuel Dragster:
A Top Fuel motor will produce almost 1000 horsepower per cylinder.
The maximum allowed engine capacity is 500 cubic inches. Cylinder block and heads are CNC machined from solid billet aluminium.
The maximum boost produced is 45.5 psi by the 14-71 supercharger at full throttle. That’s more than 3.0 bar or twice that achieved by a Mitsubishi EVO VIII
Supercharger’s internal rotors are spinning at 12654 rpm with the engine at 8500 rpm.
The temperature of the 14-71 supercharger is 74 degrees Celsius (165 degrees Fahrenheit) after just 4.5 seconds of maximum boost.
The engine's crankshaft turns 569 of times during the entire quarter mile.
Each intake valve opens 284 times.
There are 16 spark plugs per engine.
The twin MSD magnetos produce 88 amps. You need just 12 more to power your MIG welder.
The fuel system can pump 291 litres (77 gallons) per minute at wide-open throttle.
The engine will consume 86 litres (22.75 gallons) of fuel during warm-up, burnout, staging, and the quarter-mile run.
26.5 litres (28 Quarts) of oil are used during warm-up and the quarter-mile run. The oil pan holds 70-weight oil mixed with special thickener.
The maximum number of clutch discs in a Top Fuel car is 6. The multistage clutch is timed to progressively lock up during the run.
...And Here's What It Does
It takes 0.84 seconds for a Top Fuel car to accelerate to 100 mph from standstill.
At launch, drivers are subjected to up to 4.75 g's, more than a space-shuttle astronaut. When the parachute is deployed the driver experiences a peak deceleration of 6 g's.
Top speed of the 2005 Top Fuel Championship-winning dragster was 515 kph (320 mph).
12000 lbs of down force is generated by the rear wing at 515kph (320 mph). The downward thrust made by the exhaust gases escaping the headers alone generates 800 lbs of down force.
The header flames are still burning hot at 215 cm (85") above the header pipes.
The rolling diameter of the rear tyres grow 21.5 cm (8.5") during a 523 kph (325mph) run, reaching a maximum of 113 cm (44.5").
It's Short but Sweet......
It took Darren 4.61 seconds to cover a quarter mile which became an Australian record elapsed time.
That's a total of 18 seconds of racing per event, if it makes the final.
If the final is reached at every event, the total racing time for the season will be less than 7 minutes.

[CraigE]

I was wanting CraigE's proof, he hassled Lucus first, I thought it was only fair that Craig backed up these claims, might aswell make it sound like a commodore forum hey:D
Back up what claims?:p I never made any, but queried people making high horsepower claims without substantiating it. Lucas and me are all cool and I am happy with Lucas responses and if we meet he is going to prove it to me.:D:D
My statement was I have often dragged cars in my Torana that was very average and beaten them when they have claimed huge hp figures that we all knew were b/s. Thats all.
Every dipstick in a Datsun SSS would claim 500hp figures when the piece of garbage was in fact stock. Stock 308 Monaros and Commodores claiming 500-800hp and then getting beaten by a stock SS or SLR (brothers), you work it out. I have driven some very fast cars, but never timed them. You know when you get behind the wheel wether they have been fibbing or not. As for the yellow SS of a friends, well he is dead now so can not prove yey or ney. But the engine went into another friends white SS hatch and I was doing 240 plus on my Katana heading to Broad Arrow one arvo and it passed me rather quickly. The VT was only 230 kw which for a fairly stock 5 litre at the rears is not bad, al the dyno sheets went with the car when we sold it. The Stato 240kw is standard.
I just like to see if someone makes the statement that they can back it up with facts, not dreams.;)

[CraigE]

I was wanting CraigE's proof, he hassled Lucus first, I thought it was only fair that Craig backed up these claims, might aswell make it sound like a commodore forum hey:D
And it was Lucas that originally made the 600hp claims. I just asked for proof. Read my posts I have not made any ridiculous hp claims on any of my vehicles at all. Actually mine are quite tame.:p:p

[Fusion]

all i know is the my old mans john deer ride on sucks the doors off his old greenfield ...... so there :D:D:D:D:p:p:p:wasntme::angel:

[sclarke]

I had a Volvo V40T4 that i chipped and boosted to 14psi...

It went from a fast Street sleeper to a Animal.....

HP?? who knows... 140kw was std... so my guess was 200kw from the poor little 2litre turbo....

Top speed on the speedo..... over the odometer.....
How fast did it get there..,..... Traction control light would still flicker at 80kmh from a standing start. Turn the traction control off.... Mirrors disapeared in white tyre smoke.....

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2008/02/63.jpg

[PhilipA]

Geez, that would have stained the "BABY ON BOARD" stickers no end.
Regards Philip A

[rovercare]

Back up what claims?:p . The VT was only 230 kw which for a fairly stock 5 litre at the rears is not bad, al the dyno sheets went with the car when we sold it. The Stato 240kw is standard.
I just like to see if someone makes the statement that they can back it up with facts, not dreams.;)

Those claims^^^^^^^^^^? your stato is 240KW at the bags? the gen 3 with headers, cam and valve springs I put in my jag only made 290RWHP a shade under 225KW at the wheels, so how is it your stato is more? that was on a dyno dynamics dyno after a Mafless tune, so I see your making claims without proof:D

230KW at the wheels out of a stocky 5l is preety much unacheivable without alot of work

Hence asking for proof;)

[Fusion]

My calais is the gen 3 and it has 235kws at the flywheel i'm guessing and reading the booklet that come with it . It says i can achieve 255kws by putting a decent exhaust system on it and a cold air intake . Can't believe it is that restricted .... would love to fix that but all my money is going into the landy :D.

[Lucus]

Well i didnt want to get involved in a "prove it" debacle ala rovercare but when my claims are descirbed as "ridiculous" i spose i better put up or shut up.

The only dyno sheet i can readily lay my hands on shows 327kw and aprox 650nm, a tad shy of what the car produces now but this graph is from a fault finding session on my mates dyno and we found a colapsed cat.

Feel free to call bullsh#t on my "claims" the the car produces 340rwkw and 700+nm as at this point i cant post a dyno sheet that proves this until i move into my new house and unpack some boxes.

This graph should at least put me in the ball park for my "claims".

Luke

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2008/02/67.jpg

[CraigE]

Lucas,
the ridiculous statement was not aimed at you but a generalisation of people who make these claims and then can not walk the talk. With your prvious post you seemed to know what you are talking about, so all is good with me.
:D:D

Well i didnt want to get involved in a "prove it" debacle ala rovercare but when my claims are descirbed as "ridiculous" i spose i better put up or shut up.

The only dyno sheet i can readily lay my hands on shows 327kw and aprox 650nm, a tad shy of what the car produces now but this graph is from a fault finding session on my mates dyno and we found a colapsed cat.

Feel free to call bullsh#t on my "claims" the the car produces 340rwkw and 700+nm as at this point i cant post a dyno sheet that proves this until i move into my new house and unpack some boxes.

This graph should at least put me in the ball park for my "claims".

Luke

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2008/02/67.jpg

[CraigE]

Those claims^^^^^^^^^^? your stato is 240KW at the bags? the gen 3 with headers, cam and valve springs I put in my jag only made 290RWHP a shade under 225KW at the wheels, so how is it your stato is more? that was on a dyno dynamics dyno after a Mafless tune, so I see your making claims without proof:D

230KW at the wheels out of a stocky 5l is preety much unacheivable without alot of work

Hence asking for proof;)
Oops.:oops2: WK Statesman should have read 245kw at the flywheel, my mistake, should have made that clear even thoughI did not say at the rear wheels, typing to quick and not proof reading. With what they call a performance exhaust which is still restrictive to buggery. Talking to a exhaust specialist they reckon they can get 255-260kw with a decent exhaust no dramas, plus decent cold air intake 265kw some engine re mapping 290-300kw quite easily at the flywheel and that is without even touching the engine. The VT was dynoed at 226kw to be exact at the rear wheels and no I can not prove it as all the dyno sheets went with the car when it was sold as a common courtesy to the buyer and proof what the power out put was. Why would I want to keep them if my wife no longer owned the car. The engine internals were I believe stock although mechanic friends reckon some head work may have been done, but did not open up so do not know for sure. This may explain why I think the VT wagon went harder than the Statesman kwrw vs kwfw. 226kw at the rears is fairly mild to be honest. It had a custom mandrel bent exhaust 2.75" all the way that cost $3k, HSV cold air intake, chip/remap upgrade, modded maf sensor and larger throttle body. I can not take credit for most of the work, the guy that originaly bought the VT new ordered it custom from Holden and then had the mods done. Would out accelerate both HSV clubsport VT 5.0 litre and the first 5.7 litre VT Clubby. Even the dealer when we traded it reckons this car was rather unique. My brother had the Ambrose boss 260kw and reckons the wagon was a lot quicker. Look at the bolt on aftermarket gear available now. Even when we bought this we looked at a GTS supercharged that had dyno figures of 290kw at the rears even though they round to 300kw and in standard GTS trim were 300kw at the fw. Insurance was just to much though.
My original point is up to 250 odd kw at the rears is fairly easily achievable, above this it starts to get a bit harder and a lot more expensive to do so reliablly. Anyone can whack on a big turbo or supercharger and get the hp for a short time,(as some of my friends have done) but without major engine mods they often become a time bomb. There are far too many people claiming 600hp or 400-500kw at the rears without justifying it. It takes big $ to make that sort of power. And do not worry I have seen 500-600hp 5 litre v8s but it takes a lot of money and hard work. I have actually had discussions with Perkins motorsports some years ago about getting a decent engine built and the budget would need to be $15k up to $50k just for the engine depending on what I wanted and wether I wanted it strictly legal.
I have to say I would not query someone claiming up to 250kw as it is quite possible. Once they start claiming figures above this without any proof or explanation to how they have achieved it I would have my doubts.
Cheers
CraigE

[dobbo]

I just put 100w bulb in the light on my front varanda

[BigJon]

I had a Volvo V40T4 that i chipped and boosted to 14psi...

It went from a fast Street sleeper to a Animal.....

HP?? who knows... 140kw was std... so my guess was 200kw from the poor little 2litre turbo....

Top speed on the speedo..... over the odometer.....
How fast did it get there..,..... Traction control light would still flicker at 80kmh from a standing start. Turn the traction control off.... Mirrors disapeared in white tyre smoke.....

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2008/02/63.jpg

Looks like the wagon version of my Mums car (S40 low pressure turbo). I find her car to be quite unpleasant to drive. The only other vehicle I can recall with similar torque steer was a Cordia Turbo with near bald tyres on a wet road!

[Tusker]

I just put 100w bulb in the light on my front varanda

Ah, but can you prove it??

[dobbo]

Ah, but can you prove it??


No:(

[CraigE]

No:(
Come on lets see the dyno sheet.
:p:p

[CraigE]

Geez, that would have stained the "BABY ON BOARD" stickers no end.
Regards Philip A
To be honest Philip, the VT did scare me a bit on occassion when it lost traction bad.:twisted::twisted: Most people that got in it could not believe it was a 5litre wagon. At the end of the day it had a bit of go, but I would not say it was exceptionaly quick but enough to give you a scare.
That was part of the reason we bought it, went a lot harder than the same model Calais, SS, Manta and Cluby (al 5 litre) and we test drove all before buying. The only thing that seemed quicker and more powerful was the supercharged GTS.

[Fusion]

Oops.:oops2: WK Statesman should have read 245kw at the flywheel

Howdy Craig , Is yours the statsman or the caprice ? because the stato is 235 kw and the caprice is 245kw . I know it's only 10kws but people get picky on here and might jump on ya ;):p:wasntme:.
WK Statesman / Caprice Specs (http://www.users.on.net/~nweber/holden/wk/wk-specs.html)

[stevo68]

Soooooooooooooooooooooooooo, what are peoples thoughts on the new Falcon :whistling::Rolling::Rolling:,

Regards

Stevo

[dobbo]

Soooooooooooooooooooooooooo, what are peoples thoughts on the new Falcon :whistling::Rolling::Rolling:,

Regards

Stevo

Not as interesting as a 100W light bulb in my front porch

[Jamo]

Is it a clear one or one of those yellow insect repellant ones that don't repel insects very well?

[stevo68]

Reminds me I need some new bulbs for outside, will keep the 100watters in mind :)

Regards

Stevo

[CraigE]

Howdy Craig , Is yours the statsman or the caprice ? because the stato is 235 kw and the caprice is 245kw . I know it's only 10kws but people get picky on here and might jump on ya ;):p:wasntme:.
WK Statesman / Caprice Specs (http://www.users.on.net/~nweber/holden/wk/wk-specs.html)

Statesman, but allegedly with the performance exhaust option to take it to 245kw. Still sounds like and air compressor to me so a decent exhaust, cold air intake and chip upgrade are on the cards when funds allow.
:twisted:

[Fusion]

Statesman, but allegedly with the performance exhaust option to take it to 245kw. Still sounds like and air compressor to me so a decent exhaust, cold air intake and chip upgrade are on the cards when funds allow.
:twisted:

I would change the throttlebody as well they make a huge difference from standard ;)

[tempestv8]

Soooooooooooooooooooooooooo, what are peoples thoughts on the new Falcon :whistling::Rolling::Rolling:,

Regards

Stevo


Just found this thread. What do I think of the new Falcon? I think it's a product that secures jobs for hundreds of Australian companies and some financial stability for thousands of workers who's work contributes to this final product.

In my job I travel so often that I have the luxury of hiring different rental cars all the time. The Australian car, be it the Falcon or the Commodore is a good drive. I've driven other makes like Toyota (Prius, Camry and Aurion) and Mitsubishi (Magna) and Nissan (Maxima, Patrol) and the Falcon and Commodore are not substandard cars.

In Germany, they use base model, vinyl seat Mercedes Benz as taxis. So does that make the Benz a crappy car?

The local product is very good indeed, by world standards. If you don't believe me, look for an equivalent vehicle made in the USA. No wonder we are exporting vehicles overseas. I'm sure it's a case of selling ice to the Eskimos to see our Aussie made vehicles in world markets. It's good for Australia's economy.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

A new Falcon - it looks exactly the same as the old one!

[CraigE]

Yeah, I can not say the Falcon is a bad car. At the end of the day the Falcon and Commodore are on par with each other and probablly the Aurion and 380 and also with lower spec model Mercs, BMWs etc.
A lot of people want to compare them with high end Mercs and BMWs so they can say the Falcon is rubbish. Compare apples with apples.
I just do not think the Falcon appeals to enough people and without export markets may be doomed to go the way of the 380. Would be a shame.