LPG Decanting Bottles

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Hi People

In a post by Ron (p38arover) http://www.aulro.com/afvb/general-chat/52209-curses-p38a-problems.html#post699304 today, he mentioned that you can't fill up with LPG by the road!

I'm sure that's not true? :confused:

Years ago while at uni I drove a taxi part-time, I remember on a number of occasions getting a radio call to pick up the decanting bottle from a one of the taxi bases to take to another taxi who had run out of LPG.

The decanting bottle was basically a 9Kg propane tank, with a hose. You connected the hose to the car's LPG filler, turned the 9Kg bottle upside down and turned on the tap which put sufficient LPG for the taxi to get to a servo.

Does anyone know about this, or more importantly where to buy the hose?

Diana

[Xavie]

When I was considering getting lpg many moons ago the LPG man said I could just buy some hose from him and get an lpg bottle filled and get the connector from him also. He said it was quite illegal though and if I were to do this I'd need to keep the hose hidden.

Xavier

[tombraider]

I had one of these on my LPG / GRA V8's....

Worked a treat.. :cool:

And yes, illegal

[Lotz-A-Landies]

... the LPG man said I could just buy some hose from him and get an lpg bottle filled and get the connector from him also. He said it was quite illegal though and if I were to do this I'd need to keep the hose hidden.

Xavier

...Worked a treat.. :cool:

And yes, illegal
Oh well I wouldn't want to do that then - after all the legislators make these laws, regulations to protect us from ourselves. :mad: :mad:

Made up by the LPG fitter eh!

Diana :) :)

[DeeJay]

You can legally carry a 9kg in a boot, in most states too. Technically you are breaking the :rulez: in a number of instances ( taxis dont do this anymore due to an incident of the :firedevil:kind ) when you hook up the hose.
Mainly its because the relief valve -which is just under the tap- must communicate with a vapour space and when you turn the bottle upside down it then communicates with liquid, which could be an :oops2:
Then the insurance company might :bat:

Anyway, wanna buy a hose??:wasntme:
David

[101 Ron]

OK I am a LPG fitter and play with LPG forklifts for a living.
I am often left with a forklift with no or empty bottle on it as the dead ones are ratted for gas by the time I get to fix them.
In my work van I carry a small primus bottle with the correct fittings to get the machine going while I work on it.
Around the workshop I use a 9kg bottle to move forklifts around.
Forklift bottles can be filled by decantering from any bottle or filling from a pumping system (bowser).
Sitting at home with no gas in it is my 101 landy.
I will put some gas in it from a small bottle to drive it to the servo just to save a bit of petrol.
The problem is not every one seems to understand the dangers of transporting LP Gas or how to decant correctly without being a danger to them selves.
Any thing is possible with decantering and a bit of know how.
There are laws to stop people transporting gas or filling bottles so they are not a danger.
The automotive gas bottles have many more safety features than a barbeque bottle and only with these features can they be transported by a car.
Yes I think you can carry a barbeque bottle in the back of a open vehicle..ie not inside or boot and it should be secured in a way so the valve cannot viberate open and it will not move it case of a accident.
You need to get a hold of approved special LP Gas hose and the Acme filler fitting.
The barbeque bottle should be modified so it has liquid withdrawl as turning the bottle up side down makes it illegal as the safety features built in the bottle are in effective up side down.
I get away with it at work and on work sites because it is part of my job.
For the general person on the street dont worry about it as there is a long history for people getting slack and hurting themselves.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

OK I am a LPG fitter and play with LPG forklifts for a living...

... For the general person on the street dont worry about it as there is a long history for people getting slack and hurting themselves.
Ron

Have to agree with you there, even if there is not an explosion, a cold burn on skin is as bad as a burn with fire. :( :(

Diana

[mark2]

Maybe you need to buy this:
Fuel Bowser (LPG) - eBay Branded, Petrol, Advertising, Collectables. (end time 29-Feb-08 18:43:33 AEDST) (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=250218653034&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=015)

Comes with hoses and filler nozzles!

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Maybe you need to buy this:
Fuel Bowser (LPG) - eBay Branded, Petrol, Advertising, Collectables. (end time 29-Feb-08 18:43:33 AEDST) (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=250218653034&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=015)

Comes with hoses and filler nozzles!

That'd be GR8 - but I don't think they'd let me tow the required tank trailer with bowser up the CSR!

Also seems to be a lot of effort for an emergency device?

Diana

[ladas]

An interesting thing I saw when I was doing a training course in Sri Lanka once.

I work with hydrocarbon refrigerants - basically highly refined propane and isobutane (No its not BBQ gas)

Typically with HC as a refrigerant approximately 200 - 300 grams is used, and during this training class I have one protagonist who was stiring up the class - saying it was dangerous, he was a real pain.

When we broke for lunch - he was leaving for the day, and it was interesting to see

A BBQ /LPG gas bottle - laying on its side - held down with one of those rubbery straps with hooks on the end in the back of his Datsun station waggon, and a flexible hose running through the firewall.

Yep he was running his car on LPG from this BBQ cylinder (maybe 9 - 10 kgs) sat inside the car.............

.....................and he was having a pop at HC refrigerants @ 200 grams.

I had to laugh .............

[Lotz-A-Landies]

An interesting thing I saw when I was doing a training course in Sri Lanka once.

I work with hydrocarbon refrigerants - basically highly refined propane and isobutane (No its not BBQ gas)

Typically with HC as a refrigerant approximately 200 - 300 grams is used, and during this training class I have one protagonist who was stiring up the class - saying it was dangerous, he was a real pain....

...Yep he was running his car on LPG from this BBQ cylinder (maybe 9 - 10 kgs) sat inside the car.............

.....................and he was having a pop at HC refrigerants @ 200 grams.

I had to laugh .............
Don't get me started on H/C refrigerants - Bl**@y Faye Lopo! When she was transport minister she banned H/C refrigerants in NSW cars because it was 200-300 grammes of a flammable gas. (I was running Care 30 as a replacement for R12 - and still am)

But it is O.K to carry around 80 Kg of explosive LPG in NSW cars.

Go figure?????

Diana

[Bigbjorn]

I agree with 101 Ron. Don't decant from an upside down supply bottle. I worked for a short time, long ago, in the domestic gas industry. It was impressed upon me that LPG was bloody dangerous stuff and not to be fooled with. There have been some frightful accidents with the stuff. A near neighbour does the decanting trick at his place. He fills all the bottles for his fishing club. He can't see anything wrong or dangerous about this. I asked him to let me know when he is about to start so I can remove my family to a mile or so distant in case he blows his 100lb. bottle.

Ladas. Do you know of any refrig. fitters in Brisbane licensed to use the hydrocarbon refrigerant?

[DeeJay]

I agree with 101 Ron. Don't decant from an upside down supply bottle. I worked for a short time, long ago, in the domestic gas industry. It was impressed upon me that LPG was bloody dangerous stuff and not to be fooled with. There have been some frightful accidents with the stuff. A near neighbour does the decanting trick at his place. He fills all the bottles for his fishing club. He can't see anything wrong or dangerous about this. I asked him to let me know when he is about to start so I can remove my family to a mile or so distant in case he blows his 100lb. bottle.

Ladas. Do you know of any refrig. fitters in Brisbane licensed to use the hydrocarbon refrigerant?

A 100lb (45kg) bottle went airborne at the first Melb Grand prix when they were setting up. Luckily, when it got up to 50ft it went left into a carpark, if it went right it would have gone into a marquee with 200+ people in there:eek:
It rolled away torching several cars and ended up setting fire to a corolla where it came to rest.
Never heard about it? Well the Albert park protesters were there to see it all and took heaps of pics.
Never doubt Geoff Kennetts sway with the media at that time.
A bit of trivia, the guy who caused the accident - he backed his truck under a low slung high voltage cable and the supporting post in a 44 gal drum of concrete fell on the bottle- was Gil Tucker of Cop Shop fame.

[ladas]

Don't get me started on H/C refrigerants - Bl**@y Faye Lopo! When she was transport minister she banned H/C refrigerants in NSW cars because it was 200-300 grammes of a flammable gas. (I was running Care 30 as a replacement for R12 - and still am)

But it is O.K to carry around 80 Kg of explosive LPG in NSW cars.

Go figure?????

Diana

Diana, you do know that the ban was repealed in Speteber 05 dont you.

I have a letter from DelaBosca if you want a copy ?

Ladas

[ladas]

Ladas. Do you know of any refrig. fitters in Brisbane licensed to use the hydrocarbon refrigerant?

Oddly enough you dont have to have a licence to use HC refrigerant.

.................but I would prefer it if you did.

I will check with the office to see if we have any w/shops on file who use HC's.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Diana, you do know that the ban was repealed in Speteber 05 dont you.

I have a letter from DelaBosca if you want a copy ?

Ladas
No I didn't know - lucky my brother is a fridgy and we still had a bottle of Care 30 to use just for my car - that is if I could ever get him to come and do it (even paid him up-front for work that never got done.)

Yes I would like a copy of that letter if you have one! :) :)

Do you know anyone in Sydney who services/re-gasses Care 30 systems in Sydney?

Diana

[Bigbjorn]

Oddly enough you dont have to have a licence to use HC refrigerant.

.................but I would prefer it if you did.

I will check with the office to see if we have any w/shops on file who use HC's.

I was told that in Qld you have to have an LPG installers certificate and have done the course. That fridgies were required to do this.