LPG more than ULP in 2010

[Vern]

Read in the paper today that LPG will cost more than ULP by 2010, makes having a diesel look like the way to go.

[DeeJay]

I did'nt see that one, probably the Sun :p
It would be correct in so far that LPG might cost what ULP costs today by then.
And of course ULP will be $2.20 a litre.:D

[Xavie]

Find it hard to fathom that a locally produced fuel will cost more then ulp. I am aware of tax increase etc... but.... I don't see it. I have to admit I'm starting to get concerned with cost of diesel.

Xav

[Ace]

Find it hard to fathom that a locally produced fuel will cost more then ulp. I am aware of tax increase etc... but.... I don't see it. I have to admit I'm starting to get concerned with cost of diesel.

Xav

what only now you have started to become concerned :D

Its certainly not good. We are pumping oil from the ground at the fastest rate possible (according to an article in 4x4 Australia, written by a guy who went to some environment thing in shanghai where the big man from shell spoke) so as the demand for fuel goes up supply cant. Over the next few years the price of fuel will sky rocket as china becomes a more wealthy planet and people can afford cars. At the moment only about 30 or so people in every 1000 can afford a car, in australia its more like 700, when China's ratio rises to the same as Australia's the number of cars on world roads will double, but fuel production cant. A bit off topic i know but it helps explain why the cost of gas might go up.

I do know that in 2010 there was going to be some tax or something applied to gas that would make the price go up 12c/L but that doesnt explain why it will be the same cost as ULP.

[d3funct]

Stop reading propaganda.

Use your head, can you imagine the outcry of the population, as LPG rises by 60-70c/L in 18-24 months?!

Keeping in mind the 2011 elections, there is no way KRudd would shoot himself in the **** like that - he is too cunning and deceptive for that.

[Ace]

Stop reading propaganda.

Use your head, can you imagine the outcry of the population, as LPG rises by 60-70c/L in 18-24 months?!

Keeping in mind the 2011 elections, there is no way KRudd would shoot himself in the **** like that - he is too cunning and deceptive for that.

i dont think the outcry will do anything, after all what has the outcry done about the rise in ULP and Diesel, there are bigger powers driving the cost of fuel and our cries of pain mean nothing to who ever it is.

[d3funct]

i dont think the outcry will do anything, after all what has the outcry done about the rise in ULP and Diesel, there are bigger powers driving the cost of fuel and our cries of pain mean nothing to who ever it is.


Having said that... ULP roughly costs the same as LPG in raw form, what we pay at the pump is 50% tax added onto the ULP.

If the government increased LPG tax, effectively making the cost $1.50/L - well... no government is that stupid, at least not within this election.

Keep in mind its now 2008, ULP floats around $1.40/L, in 2003 it was nudging $1.05/L... 5 years and 35c/L, 2 years and 80c/L - tell him he's dreamin' :cool:

[Fusion]

price of oil at the moment is $99 a barrel and where i am we are paying $1.48.9 a litre :(

[George130]

Stop reading propaganda.

Use your head, can you imagine the outcry of the population, as LPG rises by 60-70c/L in 18-24 months?!

Keeping in mind the 2011 elections, there is no way KRudd would shoot himself in the **** like that - he is too cunning and deceptive for that.
I heard the outcry when LPG hit that price. We still have to pay it or stop using LPG. It is normal to so LPG at 70 and even 74cpl round these parts.

[abaddonxi]

When I had LPG fitted to my F100 in '94 (think it was '94, it was a long time ago) LPG was 14 cents a litre.

Hear the outcry.

What outcry.

Cheers
Simon

[d3funct]

When I had LPG fitted to my F100 in '94 (think it was '94, it was a long time ago) LPG was 14 cents a litre.

Hear the outcry.

What outcry.

Cheers
Simon

You could also pick up a brand new Ford Falcon for around $24,000...

You all seem to be missing the point, inflation and demand WILL drive up prices, no one is denying that... but... 80c/L in 2 years. Get real.

14... yep 14 years ago, LPG was 14c/L - today, 64c/L - average is 3c/Year increase - 80c/L in 24 months would be 40c/year... 3.5c/month.

:eek::eek:

I'll race for "pinks" - if LPG costs more than ULP by beginning FY2010 - you get my Landie, if it isnt - I get yours.

Any takers?

[abaddonxi]

You could also pick up a brand new Ford Falcon for around $24,000...

You all seem to be missing the point, inflation and demand WILL drive up prices, no one is denying that... but... 80c/L in 2 years. Get real.

14... yep 14 years ago, LPG was 14c/L - today, 64c/L - average is 3c/Year increase - 80c/L in 24 months would be 40c/year... 3.5c/month.

:eek::eek:

I'll race for "pinks" - if LPG costs more than ULP by beginning FY2010 - you get my Landie, if it isnt - I get yours.

Any takers?

Umm, yeah that's what I was saying.

Cheers
Simon

[101 Ron]

The facts are LP Gas will always be about halve the price of petrol for the simple reason no one will buy it if it was dearer.
It must be half the price as it is harder and more expensive to store and vehicles are slightly more expensive to manufacture with gas because of the steel pressure tank.

[abaddonxi]

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Cheers
Simon

[rovercare]

Overpriced crap, they used to burn the stuff till they worked out you could run cars on it:eek:

[Rangier Rover]

Overpriced crap, they used to burn the stuff till they worked out you could run cars on it:eek: This is so true.:( Most cars use more and have less power unless full gas and modded. I converted one and with cost, Inspections, Engine Mods and more L/100 It does not look good. + The Tank takes up space:mad.
Isn't it obvious with installation subsidy they will eventually crank up the price. I don't Trust the shafting :censored:

[LoveMyV8County]

Can't see it - the LPG market will be dead if it happened.

The moment LPG costs more than 75%-80% of the cost of ULP, any rational motorist will stop using it.

With its lower calorific value it produces around 20% less power than ULP, so there would be no reason to keep buying LPG unless it costs at least 20% less.

[tempestv8]

As long as LPG is considerably cheaper than petrol for every litre that I buy, I don't really care what the price of LPG is. Fact is, it's an inelastic demand - I need fuel to get from A to B regardless of the price.

If indeed petrol or LPG prices become absurd due to world market demands, I'll consider alternative forms of transport. Got to keep changing to survive this ever changing world. Trouble is, it's changing so fast for me! :(

[procrastination inc]

The Fed govmt has little (other than excise and GST) to do with fuel prices.

Oz is a signatory to the OPEC oleogopoly. The producers control the price by controlling supply.

Even with Peak Oil, these guys will milk the profits for all they are worth. That is the capitalist system, optimise the equation: higher price equals lower sales , lower price equals higher sales. both skewed by supply /demand. Find the sweet spot for max profit and limit supply to that.

All hail the mighty dollar

[rovercare]

This is so true.:( Most cars use more and have less power unless full gas and modded. I converted one and with cost, Inspections, Engine Mods and more L/100 It does not look good. + The Tank takes up space:mad.
Isn't it obvious with installation subsidy they will eventually crank up the price. I don't Trust the shafting :censored:

Anyone who thinks they can match L/100 LPG to petrol is a fool, more octane yes, but less BTU's for the same volume:(

[Tusker]

The facts are LP Gas will always be about halve the price of petrol for the simple reason no one will buy it if it was dearer.
It must be half the price as it is harder and more expensive to store and vehicles are slightly more expensive to manufacture with gas because of the steel pressure tank.

LPG is cheaper inter alia because the tax imposts are less. But now LPG is having the fuel taxes phased in over the next few years. It loses its tax advantage.

Regards
Max P

[rovercare]

LPG is cheaper inter alia because the tax imposts are less. But now LPG is having the fuel taxes phased in over the next few years. It loses its tax advantage.

Regards
Max P

Keep in mind, that if it becomes more economical to run your car on petrol duel fuelers will be, and the fact that LPG NEEDS to be sold, as it doesn't keep and they can't burn it of to atmosphere anymore, the price will remain affordable:angel: