Sealed beam lights

[Reads90]

Ok one of the head lights on the 90 stopped working the other day . Done a few in my time so used to changing them and easy job

So rang round and now been told that no defender (and when i say defenders i mean all coil sprung Land rovers) in aus has sealed beam lights. Now all defenders in the uk do have sealed beam lights
A defender sealed beam light is about $10 in the uk but they want $120 for a light which i then have to go and buy a light for anyway, as they are not sealed beam

Is there anywhere i can get a sealed beam light for my 90 from.
Just had arguemnet with a land rover supplier as i ask for a sealed beem light and he say that he can get an after market one for $44 and when i asked if it was halagen he said yeah you have to just go and get a halegen bulb from supercheap. It was at that point i said if you can put a bulb in it then it is not sealed beam then is it . Ding wat

Also is there a reason that no defender in Aus has sealed beam lights

Ali

[fraser130]

My old (94) D130cc had sealed beam lights too.
So some in Aus have them!!!
The best thing I ever did was replace them with hella H4's and brighter globes and relays, If I were you i'd just get some H4's and use globes the same wattage as your sealed beams, then upgrade to relays when time/money permits.
You won't be sorry.

Fraser

[Reads90]

My old (94) D130cc had sealed beam lights too.
So some in Aus have them!!!
The best thing I ever did was replace them with hella H4's and brighter globes and relays, If I were you i'd just get some H4's and use globes the same wattage as your sealed beams, then upgrade to relays when time/money permits.
You won't be sorry.

Fraser

been there done that and no, given up doing it again . They just fill with water. Least on my travel i have never got water in mine yet :):)

[DEFENDERZOOK]

have you tried supercrap......?

i know they sell the highbeam.....or single sealed beam as i have bought some from there before.....$15 each a few years ago......

and i think they sell the high/low as well.......



the other option is to try your local wreckers.....most of the old cars had sealed beams.......
even my old gemini had them.....but i gave them away.......

[HangOver]

It was at that point i said if you can put a bulb in it then it is not sealed beam then is it . Ding wat


:clap2: :D:D

[Lionel]

been there done that and no, given up doing it again . They just fill with water. Least on my travel i have never got water in mine yet :):)

Jeez! Do you drive underwater often?

I must say I have done a few river crossings in my time, AND have had to mop out the insider of the Defender, but have not had any problem with the semi-sealed halogen headlights filling with water.

Anyway, you can use after-market sealed beam units if you want, although the amount of light is poor compared to H4's. Supercheap have them, or Burson.

With the halogen's you tried, did they have rubber seals around the bulbs at the back?

Cheers,

Lionel

[Defender200Tdi]

Also is there a reason that no defender in Aus has sealed beam lights

Ali

Because they're rubbish, and went out with Noah's Ark.;)

By the time the Defender came along LR were upgrading them all on Aus spec to H4's. They seem to be sufficiently watertight when the rubber boot is in place on the back, certainly for here, where we don't often tend to use them like submarines.

Paul:)

[Reads90]

Jeez! Do you drive underwater often?



Oh when every i can , being a pom its matter of course when off roading :)



Anyway, you can use after-market sealed beam units if you want, although the amount of light is poor compared to H4's.



That what i have a bull bar for :D

[Reads90]

Because they're rubbish, and went out with Noah's Ark.;)

By the time the Defender came along LR were upgrading them all on Aus spec to H4's. They seem to be sufficiently watertight when the rubber boot is in place on the back, certainly for here, where we don't often tend to use them like submarines.

Paul:)

May be one day but at the moment i can't be ar*ed to spend a couple of hundred dollars on lights when the ones on the truck are fine for me :):)

[Bigbjorn]

Hella do halogen sealed beams in 5 3/4" but not 7". Don't have anyone else's catalogue.

[Reads90]

Land rover do Halgen sealed beam ones (which is what is in my 90 ). I may get a set when i go back to the uk in a couple months

[camel_landy]

Is there anywhere i can get a sealed beam light for my 90 from.
Just had arguemnet with a land rover supplier as i ask for a sealed beem light and he say that he can get an after market one for $44 and when i asked if it was halagen he said yeah you have to just go and get a halegen bulb from supercheap. It was at that point i said if you can put a bulb in it then it is not sealed beam then is it . Ding wat

Also is there a reason that no defender in Aus has sealed beam lights

Ali

When mine went, I just popped along to Repco. It's a regular 7" round unit and will cost $20-$30.

M

[Utemad]

I bought sealed beam headlights for my Rodeo after I filled the semi sealed ones up with water and the reflectors went brown.

I bought them from Autobarn. They were rectangular but they had round ones too. That was about 5 years ago though.

[JDNSW]

Sealed beam lights pretty much went out twenty years ago, but they can be found with a bit of looking. The Landrover ones are standard fitting.

John

[Tote]

There are two types of sealed beams, the ones you buy from supercheap etc that are like the ones in an HR Holden, simply two filaments inside a 7"glass bowl.
There are also sealed beam halogen lights which have an outer sealed unit as well as a halogen bulb which is fused to the inside of the 7"unit. I had these on a Maverick and when replaced with a standard sealed beam they were not nearly as good.
I have not seen the halogen type at any of the aftermarket retailers.
This is (http://www.snakebite.com.au/7halogencurvedfacesemisealedbeameach-p-151.html) the beast to which I refer
Regards,
Tote

[graceysdad]

If you couldnt get a 7inch sealed beam from Repco or somewhere i would be real surprised, every old ford and holden has them, in all honest get some H7 inserts and a pair of halogen bulbs and upgrade, You may want to fit a realy if you dont already have one, doubt you would have any trouble here, last time I bought a selaed beam was about 12 bux for a Bosch unit.

[DEFENDERZOOK]

went past supercrap tonight......they sell sealed beams......
round ones in 5 and 7 inch...... and they also had the square shape ones......


the round ones were $15 - $17 each.......

[CraigE]

Surely they are the same as the standard Toyota sealed beam? You should be able to get them from just about anywhere.
I have just pulled a spare Toyota one out of our spares cupboared and it is a 178mm or 7" sealed beam Hella 12V75/50W part no : 1075
Should only be about $20ea.
Prsonally I would upgrade to QH.
Cheers
Craig

[Bigbjorn]

He is looking for a quartz halogen sealed beam not a tungsten-vacuum sealed beam. QH sealed beams were once made by Hella in both 7" & 5 3/4", but are now only listed in their catalogue in 5 3/4". A call to the Hella Techline 1800 061 729 may locate some old stock. I would prefer that all cars went back to round headlights. I was staggered to find the cost of a new light unit for my late Falcon was $290 at the Ford dealer. At the time one could buy a sealed beam at K-mart under $10.

[BigJon]

. I would prefer that all cars went back to round headlights. I was staggered to find the cost of a new light unit for my late Falcon was $290 at the Ford dealer. At the time one could buy a sealed beam at K-mart under $10.

Not only that, but you get better light out of a round headlight.

[Bigbjorn]

Not only that, but you get better light out of a round headlight.

Yes, indeed. Year 12 physics. Light output from a reflector. The greatest efficiency is achieved by mounting the light source at the focal point of a parabolic reflector. Also light output increases as the diameter of the reflector is increased.

[CraigE]

He is looking for a quartz halogen sealed beam not a tungsten-vacuum sealed beam. QH sealed beams were once made by Hella in both 7" & 5 3/4", but are now only listed in their catalogue in 5 3/4". A call to the Hella Techline 1800 061 729 may locate some old stock. I would prefer that all cars went back to round headlights. I was staggered to find the cost of a new light unit for my late Falcon was $290 at the Ford dealer. At the time one could buy a sealed beam at K-mart under $10.
Is the list number I mentioned in the catalogue, because the one I just pulled out looks like a QH sealed beam? These are readily available. Just rang our mechanic and he has heaps of them this number. Hella do not actually make these, they are actually a Wagner part 7019, made in the US. This may help also, just in a Hella box.
I would personally upgrade to QH H4s. Easier to get globes than sealed beams. Amazes me Toyota still use them.

[JDNSW]

He is looking for a quartz halogen sealed beam not a tungsten-vacuum sealed beam. QH sealed beams were once made by Hella in both 7" & 5 3/4", but are now only listed in their catalogue in 5 3/4". A call to the Hella Techline 1800 061 729 may locate some old stock. I would prefer that all cars went back to round headlights. I was staggered to find the cost of a new light unit for my late Falcon was $290 at the Ford dealer. At the time one could buy a sealed beam at K-mart under $10.

I think you hit the nail on the head as to why manufacturers changed from round lights!

John

[BigJon]

Yes, indeed. Year 12 physics. Light output from a reflector. The greatest efficiency is achieved by mounting the light source at the focal point of a parabolic reflector. Also light output increases as the diameter of the reflector is increased.

That is why my driving lights are round and big!

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[UncleHo]

G'day Reads90 :)

There are also 2 different types of 7" round sealed Beam lamps, 2X (conical type beam left dip) and Asymetric type, (that is with the horizontal top cutoff and left flare) all Australian vehicles went to Asymetric about 1980, with left dip. they should be available in both standard Seal Beam, and Helogen types, I would try the usual suspects, Burson, Supercheap, Repco,Autopro, and if the sales person is vague ask for somebody that knows lighting

cheers

[Bigbjorn]

That is why my driving lights are round and big!

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And illegally mounted, for use on public roads. "Driving lights,brackets must not protrude forward from the front face of any bumper or above the top of any bull bar". Modifications-Qld. Transport

[graceysdad]

They shouldnt be hard to source, crikey when we closed up the wrecking yard I smashed hundreds of them of both types, Wagner you can get, Bosch most likely, Rarespares be a good place as I said earlier every old Ford or Holden ran 7 inch lights, the XC falcon had 7 in Halogens from the factory, I have two of these for my Series one.

[BigJon]

And illegally mounted, for use on public roads. "Driving lights,brackets must not protrude forward from the front face of any bumper or above the top of any bull bar". Modifications-Qld. Transport

That doesn't look like a public road to me :angel:.

I put my actual safety above the safety of hypothetical pedestrians.

The rules here are the same. I haven't ever hit a pedestrian, if I do I would imagine the 2.5 tonnes of British 4WD would be of more concern than the 3 kg of driving lights...

As a general rule I only fit them for night time open road trips. They aren't on there now.

Happy now? :D

[JDNSW]

And illegally mounted, for use on public roads. "Driving lights,brackets must not protrude forward from the front face of any bumper or above the top of any bull bar". Modifications-Qld. Transport

Looks to me like an NT plate, not a Qld one!

John

[Reads90]

And illegally mounted, for use on public roads. "Driving lights,brackets must not protrude forward from the front face of any bumper or above the top of any bull bar". Modifications-Qld. Transport


Yeah yeah :):):) so what , it illegal , so is doing 65 in a 60 limit , but hey we all do it :D:D

[Bigbjorn]

Yeah yeah :):):) so what , it illegal , so is doing 65 in a 60 limit , but hey we all do it :D:D

I mention this, because, if you attract the attention of a stroppy copper or a zealous transport inspector, you may find him/her looking at any number of illegal/unsafe items on your vehicle, leading to a defect notice, a fine, points, or worse, a trip over the pits. The latter event may well put your vehicle off the road for a long and expensive time.

Highly obvious items like very large, very visible, and illegally mounted driving lights are just the thing to attract attention.

Moral: Don't draw the crabs.

[Bigbjorn]

Looks to me like an NT plate, not a Qld one!

John

John, the regulations are supposed to be uniform nation-wide. Whether they are enforced is another matter. They certainly are enforced around Brisbane.

[BigJon]

I mention this, because, if you attract the attention of a stroppy copper or a zealous transport inspector, you may find him/her looking at any number of illegal/unsafe items on your vehicle, leading to a defect notice, a fine, points, or worse, a trip over the pits. The latter event may well put your vehicle off the road for a long and expensive time.

Highly obvious items like very large, very visible, and illegally mounted driving lights are just the thing to attract attention.

Moral: Don't draw the crabs.

We have yearly inspections. My Rangie passed its insection only three days ago. I don't think I have anything to worry about! (no it wasn't self inspected, it went over the MVR pits).

[JDNSW]

John, the regulations are supposed to be uniform nation-wide. Whether they are enforced is another matter. They certainly are enforced around Brisbane.

The regulations are supposed to be uniform. In fact, they are interpreted differently in each state, and in this case I strongly suspect that the "uniform" regulation simply says "nothing in front of or above the bull bar", with the more detailed explanation being a state addition. In NSW, for example, while the lights above the bullbar would probably be considered in breach, neither antennae above it nor lights in front of it would be.

John

[Bigbjorn]

The regulations are supposed to be uniform. In fact, they are interpreted differently in each state, and in this case I strongly suspect that the "uniform" regulation simply says "nothing in front of or above the bull bar", with the more detailed explanation being a state addition. In NSW, for example, while the lights above the bullbar would probably be considered in breach, neither antennae above it nor lights in front of it would be.

John

"Long Range Radio Antennas" (sic)

"Forward mounting should only be undertaken when it is impossible or impractical to instal the antennas to the rear of the vehicle."

The installation must be attached as low as is practical to ensure the large diameter section of the antenna projects above the bonnet line for the minimum distance."

"Only one long range antenna (large diameter base) may be fitted to the front of a vehicle and must be fitted to the left side. The maximum diameter permitted is 75mm."

"All sharp edges or protrusions which could cause injury to anyone making contact with the device must be removed or rounded."

There are also very specific rules about ladder racks, external roll bars and cages, and fishing rod holders.

Qld. Transport used to have random inspections for safety and compliance. Not seen one for a while, but then I am not out and about all day every day like when I was in the workforce. They would set up a team of inspectors and police usually on a busy road where they were out of sight until too late to avoid them. Some specific roadside pull-ins were laid for this purpose and for random breath testing on some major roads. The usual procedure was to pull over most vehicles 10 years old or more, or any vehicle with obvious damage or problems. Licences and registration, and outstanding fines and warrants would be checked by police whilst a transport inspector quickly eyeballed the car. Any problem (worn tyres, broken lights, etc.) and the driver would be told to move over to the other inspectors who would have a good look. This often resulted in fines, loss of points, a defect notice requiring repairs and a Safety Certificate (RWC) to be obtained, or a trip over the Departmental pits ordered. Many vehicles were ordered to be left at the site only to be moved by a tow truck. This is why I preach a bit about obviously non-compliant accessories. Could cause the owner big problems. Don't draw the crabs.

[87County]

"Long Range Radio Antennas" (sic)

"Forward mounting should only be undertaken when it is impossible or impractical to instal the antennas to the rear of the vehicle."

The installation must be attached as low as is practical to ensure the large diameter section of the antenna projects above the bonnet line for the minimum distance."

"Only one long range antenna (large diameter base) may be fitted to the front of a vehicle and must be fitted to the left side. The maximum diameter permitted is 75mm."

"All sharp edges or protrusions which could cause injury to anyone making contact with the device must be removed or rounded."

There are also very specific rules about ladder racks, external roll bars and cages, and fishing rod holders.

Qld. Transport used to have random inspections for safety and compliance. Not seen one for a while, but then I am not out and about all day every day like when I was in the workforce. They would set up a team of inspectors and police usually on a busy road where they were out of sight until too late to avoid them. Some specific roadside pull-ins were laid for this purpose and for random breath testing on some major roads. The usual procedure was to pull over most vehicles 10 years old or more, or any vehicle with obvious damage or problems. Licences and registration, and outstanding fines and warrants would be checked by police whilst a transport inspector quickly eyeballed the car. Any problem (worn tyres, broken lights, etc.) and the driver would be told to move over to the other inspectors who would have a good look. This often resulted in fines, loss of points, a defect notice requiring repairs and a Safety Certificate (RWC) to be obtained, or a trip over the Departmental pits ordered. Many vehicles were ordered to be left at the site only to be moved by a tow truck. This is why I preach a bit about obviously non-compliant accessories. Could cause the owner big problems. Don't draw the crabs.


point taken about "not drawing the crabs" Brian, BUT, subject to reading the actual rules, from your quote of them it seems clear that it applies to HF aerials, not cb, phone or am/fm aerials ????????

the rulemakers have been around forever mate... remember the pharisees?

... and there doesn't seem to be much rule enforcement on the roads round here anymore ... apart from speeding tickets which are generally just a revenue raising exercise

regards - Laurie:)