$#@#$grrrr

[CapeLandy]

Just had a call from LandRover to tell me the rear leak on my new Fender was not the door seal but a huge gap between the roof top and the body which wasn't properly fixed together. They will need to remove the complete roof I assume and fit new seal etc.

They now are getting a quote from a panel beater and then they have to submit to head office to get permisiion to repair and set a date.:mad:

If this is how things are going to start with this British junk that they have taken 60 years to learn how not to put things together properly - then I don't know how long this vehicle is going to stay with me.

[Disco_owner]

I Hear the build Quality is going to improve once Land Rover is handed over to TATA ?

[tombraider]

If this is how things are going to start with this British junk that they have taken 60 years to learn how not to put things together properly - then I don't know how long this vehicle is going to stay with me.

Yeah, I suggest you trade it on a Japanese piece of perfection...:wasntme:

You know something where they can't even weld a structural suspension component properly, seal rear doors etc....

Every manufacturer has dud's.. You got a problem... So be it....

British Junk pi$$es me off..... No brand is better nowadays.... And they ARE assembled by hand which allows mistakes, alignment problems etc....

Nothing major, it DIDNT leave you stranded after all....:angel:

[Ace]

I Hear the build Quality is going to improve once Land Rover is handed over to TATA ?

It most probably will, Tata might produce crap cars, but they will inject crap loads of dollars into land rover which can only be a good thing.

Hang in there Capelandy, they are sorting it out, things will get better. I would be put off by it aswell but dont loose faith.

[LandyAndy]

Never mind James.
They may give you a D3 or a RRS to play with(THRASH ABUSE ETC) whilst the works done:cool::cool::cool::cool:
Andrew

[Xavie]

Hi Cape. I've had heaps of issues with mine BUT they are now all sorted. It took time and patience (thought I lost it at the end) and it has come out a better vehicle for it. It truly has. So it is annoying and it is poor on there part but hopefuly it will work out better then it was.

Xavier

[Rangier Rover]

The Landy is hand built and these things can happen. Don't worry it will be fine.:D
It adds to its character;):D

[CapeLandy]

Hi Guys

Sorry for Brithish insult - it slipped out and I wish I could take it back. Hope I didn't offend anyone too much:oops2:
Cheers
James

[rick130]

Hi Guys

Sorry for Brithish insult - it slipped out and I wish I could take it back. Hope I didn't offend anyone too much:oops2:
Cheers
James

you're apologising to us about having a go at the Poms ??!! :D

[dullbird]

they are querky that's why most people love em!!
actually most people that own them are querky too!!:wasntme:

[leeds]

Hi Guys

Sorry for Brithish insult - it slipped out and I wish I could take it back. Hope I didn't offend anyone too much:oops2:
Cheers
James


There was me thinking it was suppossed to be the Brits who was whinging bar stewards! :p


As a Brit I was not offended! Well not too much any way.

LR do need to sort out build quality and ensure that faults are rectified ASAP with minimum inconveinence to the customer.

Regards

Brendan

PS Is this where I start insulting the inhabitants of the Great British penal colony???? :D

[olmate]

I love the Landy's but ... when I had my defender - each time it rained; those in the front got wet feet (really wet).

So many theories - such little time.

I know how you feel.

[Disco300Tdi]

they are querky that's why most people love em!!
actually most people that own them are querky too!!:wasntme:

I resemble that DB.....:angel:

[CapeLandy]

I am used to all the leaks on my 109" but was hoping for far better quality on the new unit.
Guess from all the replies I had better get used to it.
I just hope that the pannel beaters don't rip everything apart and don't fit all the bits back as they were.:(

[spudboy]

I've had mine for 3 months now and not a single leak, but I am cheating because actually it hasn't rained here for 3 months!

Sorry to hear of your dramas. It's the hassle of it all that's the downer. Hope they give you a suitable loaner whilst they sort it out
Cheers
David

[dobbo]

The leaks are why I bought my 110. In fact after driving my 110 for a few weeks and jumping back in the Discovery the TD5 in the disco sounds like an electric pencil sharpener in comparison to the 4BD1.

The leaks and creaks are the appeal of the vehicle.

[p38arover]

you're apologising to us about having a go at the Poms ??!! :D

And he's Seth Efrican! :eek:

[dobbo]

It is common fact that British born folk love to whinge, bitch and complain.

If there is nothing to whinge about, something is obviously wrong, so, we will make something up to whinge, bitch and complain about. This mystery complaint is usually very complex, like the

"It's making a noise, it isn't happening right now, no I can't describe it. The car is making a liar out of me"

These faults are time consuming and costly to diagnose and repair. (not very productive)

Your roof is leaky for a reason. It's an obvious flaw and is simple to fix.

Think British
Because you have something to whinge and complain about. you are assisting to create labour for the panel beaters, numerous amounts of paperwork between beurocrats in LR dealers, head office. Meetings between middle management, technicians, engineers and folk on the production lines. (these in turn help out the catering companies and tea farmers)

Your simple complaint creates enough work to employ up to 50 people world wide for up to 8hrs (dependant on job at hand). My friend, your complaint (though it seems to non British folk to be just a little cog in the big gearbox of life) is helping to improve the British economy.

[CapeLandy]

Turns out there is a large gap between the two rear side panels and the lower panel. The seal is not even squeezed properly and I can fit a butter knife in between the gap almost all the way around from the rear passenger door all the way to the 5th door.
They say they will not have to rmove the complete roof buts just lift it enough to fit a new seal and then tighten the whole lot down again.
Wheel alignment is OK now (Toe was way out) and the passenger door closes lile a dream again.
I also asked why the trailer light only operates when the trailer is connected and on the left indicator only - tells me thats OK. not too woried about that but seemed strange.
Now I am slightly less mad than I was eralier.
Going to have a few beers now.
Cheers
James

[Reads90]

I Hear the build Quality is going to improve once Land Rover is handed over to TATA ?

You are joking right :) , They said that when BMW took over and then when Ford took over :)

[Reads90]

If this is how things are going to start with this British junk that they have taken 60 years to learn how not to put things together properly - then I don't know how long this vehicle is going to stay with me.

Qutie surprise you are surprised by this after all you have owned a land rover before :)

[CapeLandy]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[disco2hse]

You are joking right :) , They said that when BMW took over and then when Ford took over :)

The difference is that the Indians know how to provide good service. I have to say that the Ford service has been, well, awful.

I have an open mind about what Tata will do with Land Rover but really it can only get better and strategically, for Tata, it makes good business sense. India has a huge and growing middle class who is looking for quality vehicles and weekend toys, and the Land Rover mystique exists in the minds of the up and coming, more so than that of Toyota, etc.

In the US/Europe the economic strata have existed for a lot longer and the competition is harder to shift, so despite their efforts at changing the product line customers tended to stay with their preferred brands, and that was not helped with new 4x4 entrants from Porsche, VW, etc. Regardless of whether those marques were better or worse as off-roaders, that is generally not the reason that people buy this brand or that.

So, in India Tata have the chance to create a new market where there was none before. It'll be interesting to see of they are successful, because if they are Land Rover will be huge.

[Rangier Rover]

That's a fair gap:o.Must get a bit drafty in there. I can see why your upset with it:)

[waynep]

they are querky that's why most people love em!!


Are you referring to Poms or Landrovers , or both ? ;):D

[Reads90]

Are you referring to Poms or Landrovers , or both ? ;):D

:D:D:D

I have meet many, many people who say i had a land rover , used to leak like a sive and the build quality was crap but god i loved that car

That always make me laugh

[edddo]

that is unreal for any car built in 2007!!

[Reads90]

Hi Guys

Sorry for Brithish insult - it slipped out and I wish I could take it back. Hope I didn't offend anyone too much:oops2:
Cheers
James


Hey no worries , you bloody colonial criminal :):)

[Redback]

Hey no worries , you bloody colonial criminal :):)

Aaarr he's from South Africa Reads, not here, ya pommie git:p:p

Baz.

[Reads90]

Aaarr he's from South Africa Reads, not here, ya pommie git:p:p

Baz.


Oh sorry
Ok then should be

You bloody colonial :):)

[CraigE]

I have to say LR have no defense and people here just saying get used to it are living with the fairies. We are in 2008 and there is absolutely no excuse for build quality like that. LR should be ashamed of that. That is not a minor floor but a major one. Thi is the issues that stop people buying these cars.
I hope you get it all sorted to your satisfaction Cape Landy.
Cheers
CraigE
:(:(

[cartm58]

Lol we are talking British assembly of a British design with British materials and you are talking about quality in same breath unbeleiveable.

Unless they dismantle production machines and ship them to the sub continent and then train indian's to build it l don't see any change to current build quality or assembly qauality changing just because owner is now Tata as that what happened with BMW and FORD.

I see it here on site local crew have weird ideas about work ethics and don't see why they need to work and why they can't see down in crib huts for whatever minor complaint they got for up to 7 hours and still expect to b epaid for their time and trouble for attending work.

Japanese build quality is as much a cultural issue as it is a workplace and management ethos thing.

UK workers don't have it, Italian Fiat and Alf Romeo assembly workers dont have it but at least their designers have flair in styling design of cars.

BMW Mercedes Benz and Porsche (Germans do)

That's why in automative terms UK car makers have virtually disappeared from the world

[HAK]

they are querky that's why most people love em!!
actually most people that own them are querky too!!:wasntme:

whoooops that explains me then

[CraigE]

I suppose at least with gaps like that the cats would have been able to get out.
:o

[JDNSW]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

That gap is meant to be there, has always been there in this position since the structure entered production in 1958. Mind you, it also is supposed to have a thick rubber seal in the space, which usually keeps the water out - in my experience this is not one of the usual places for leaks!

What a lot of people seem to forget is that this body was designed as a canvas top, with the upper section an add on option. By retaining this construction for the station wagon, Rover minimised the additional tooling and maximised the flexibility of vehicles. (in 1958 the rear section sides were the same as the rear section sides for the swb, for example).

John

[CapeLandy]

there is a rubber seal in there but the gap is so big it doesn't touch either side of the rubber and you can see about 2mm gap in places.
Is this perhaps a matter of merely tightening the bolts that hold down the top?

[dobbo]

I suppose at least with gaps like that the cats would have been able to get out.
:o

Yeah they meant a tabby not the 4kin Lion king.

I see your problem and you are right, get up 'em. Demand a replacement vehicle.

[abaddonxi]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v427/Landy1973/IMG_0001.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v427/Landy1973/IMG_0003.jpg

In the words of Mick 'Crocodile' Dundee,

'That's not a knife'.:D

Sorry, just couldn't help myself.
Simon

[CraigE]

Yeah they meant a tabby not the 4kin Lion king.

I see your problem and you are right, get up 'em. Demand a replacement vehicle.
MM I suppose being is South Africa, you would wnat to keep their big cats out, not in. You could get a herd of Wilderbeast through there.
:p

[CapeLandy]

That was a pretty pathetic knife I chose to show how big the gap was.

Shoulda stuck in a chainsaw to make my point - pardon the pun.:D

[crump]

Turns out there is a large gap between the two rear side panels and the lower panel. The seal is not even squeezed properly and I can fit a butter knife in between the gap almost all the way around from the rear passenger door all the way to the 5th door.
They say they will not have to rmove the complete roof buts just lift it enough to fit a new seal and then tighten the whole lot down again.
Wheel alignment is OK now (Toe was way out) and the passenger door closes lile a dream again.
I also asked why the trailer light only operates when the trailer is connected and on the left indicator only - tells me thats OK. not too woried about that but seemed strange.
Now I am slightly less mad than I was eralier.
Going to have a few beers now.
Cheers
James
I'd be getting that checked out, my trailer light operates regardless of trailer connection and on either indicator, unless the 07 model is wired that differently.:eek: