why toyota cruisers outsell landrovers

[cartm58]

Toyota land cruisers outsell Landrovers for simple reason they sell a vehicle the public wants saw this one in car park today it is 4.5 v8 diesel okay its got rear spring suspension but for what people want to do it fits the bill

Picasa Web Albums - mark - toyota cruise... (http://picasaweb.google.com/cartm58jacque/ToyotaCruiser45DieselV8)

Okay now that link should be working for all you by the C side drivers and comedians

[procrastination inc]

You can't link images off your hard drive. You need to first upload it to a site like photobucket, flickr, picasa web album or your ISP's web space

[Ben]

You'll have to upload the image to the gallery, or an image hosting site. We can't see files on your C: drive :(

[dobbo]

We can't see files on your C: drive :(

Why is it a C drive when you cant see whats on C?

[rangieman]

Why is it a C drive when you cant see whats on C?
How are you c::p

[dobbo]

How are you c::p


I C u can U c me?

[rangieman]

I C u can U c me?
Im c,ing:D

[HangOver]

Why is it a C drive when you cant see whats on C?

Personally I like a nice Sea Drive along the coast, very easy to see the sea.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

the photography's much better than the vehicle,,
what a pox box.
Its got all the style of a weeds haircut,,,,:wasntme:

[graceysdad]

I saw she saw sitting on the see saw who saw see saw sitting on the see saw we saw see saw sitting on the see saw, now I am all confused how does it go?

[procrastination inc]

Its got all the style of a weeds haircut,,,,

just like a defender :P

[Bigbjorn]

Land Rover lost the Australian market to Toyota by LR's refusal to produce a vehicle that had a decent highway cruising speed, by their refusal to fix glaring faults, and by their paternal pommie arrogance in refusing to even admit there were problems, or areas requiring simple improvement, or refusing to acknowledge that colonials might even have some idea what was wrong.

This attitude of "we make what we can make, or want to make, and you have to sell it even if the customers don't want it" was what sunk the British motor cycle industry first, then the truck industry, followed by most of their car industry.

[B92 8NW]

All emotions and rot aside, its an excellent vehicle.

It comes in a range of colours and accessories, and all doors actually open when on display.

It also has an engine with power and torque outputs we wouldn't mind:).

Credit where it is due - it might not be everyone's cup of tea but it does what its been developed to do:o.


MAKE NO MISTAKE THOUGH - the 200 series is an abomination and shall surely be put to death!

[weeds]

the photography's much better than the vehicle,,
what a pox box.
Its got all the style of a weeds haircut,,,,:wasntme:
:twisted::twisted::twisted:

[Utemad]

MAKE NO MISTAKE THOUGH - the 200 series is an abomination and shall surely be put to death!

I drove the twin turbo V8 diesel version last week. It may look weird but to drive one is fantastic. Only took it on bitumen suburban roads but it has refinement and power in bucket loads. I assume a D3 would be similar but I've never driven one.
Not a fan of the seats though. Very flat and you slide around in it when cornering. Steering felt disconnected from the wheels due to its smoothness. No feedback feel. Other than that it was awesome.
Would love to see a 200 Series and D3 off road comparison.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

:twisted::twisted::twisted:




oooooops!!!
protect me Guiness!!!:tease:

[Fusion]

Another big selling point for toyota is it had John Laws behind it . Flogging it like a dead horse .Plus i don't think land rover advertise nowhere as much as toyota does on the TV . what land rover needs is a young advertising group to make adds like the pajero adds and pathfinder adds. land rover is a bit lame in this department ;):).

[Utemad]

Land Rover has that ad on tv at the moment which is selling the Discovery as 3 cars in one. Very upmarket looking.
Don't think I've seen an ad for the Freelander, Range Rover or Defender.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Land Rover has that ad on tv at the moment which is selling the Discovery as 3 cars in one. Very upmarket looking.
Don't think I've seen an ad for the Freelander, Range Rover or Defender.
Yes there was a Range Rover sport one a while back, mostly the RRS in glamour bling bling urban poses. - but hey - if Land Rover enthusiasts can't remember it it was pretty ineffectual wasn't it?

Land Rover all over - LRA probably doesn't realise that Land Rovers can go everywhere and not just St Ives, Tookak and the snowfields.

Diana

[Hymie]

I reakon the new Tojos have all the character of a hankie full of cold snot.
Fair dinkum, they look like the first of the Jackaroos and Pajeros.

[numpty]

But of course, you must remember the major selling point..........Toy Mota built the Snowy Scheme:angel:

[EchiDna]

I don't get it, I read the thread and I'm meant to believe the v8 diesel in the toyo 70 series is the reason we see less landrovers on the road? Toyota doesn't give anyone 'what they want' - their marketing department tells you what you want and joe bloggs believes it. That is a marketing guys job, and Toyota's blokes do it well.

I might be wrong, but I would think the 70 series v8 diesel would be the lowest selling of all the toyota 4x4's to the public... there are certainly plenty of others to choose from: the rav4 (6 4x4 variants), the kluger (3 4x4 variants), the hilux (5 4x4 variants), the prado (5 variants), the landcruiser 200 series (3 variants), the 70 series (7 variants) so I really cannot believe the v8 diesel hurts land rover sales much at all.

What hurts land rover is a lack of marketing, a lack of being in the public eye and a lack of respectful commentry in the media. Despite this, Land rover sells plenty of discos, plenty of range rovers and plenty of freelander 2's. The defender is an icon for the brand but lets face facts, it is an enthusiast's vehicle, not joe bloggs choice of everyday transport. Despite this, current production cannot keep up with demand, so why would you promote it? to increase the backlog of ****ed off customers waiting 6 months for a vehicle?

Lastly, what am I meant to see in those photos that I couldn't see in a new Defender 110? stickers that say V8? It looks like what it is - a 20+ year old design rehashed to fatten toyota coffers at a bargain development price, in summary, it looks bland, souless and boring.

[EchiDna]

a bit more info:
http://www.autonews.net.au/static/vfacts/2007dec/suv.pdf

Total sales in 2007
Small SUV's
Rav 4: 14,507
Freelander: 452
Total: 90,330

Medium size SUV's
Kluger: 7886
Prado: 13,838
Defender: 104
Total: 74,434

Large SUV's
Landcruiser: 8235
Total: 13,370

Luxury SUV's
Disco: 1610
RR: 214
RRS: 1298
Lexus LX470: 166
Lexus RX: 3127
Total: 20,042

No commercials listed...

so be a sheep, buy a toyota :)

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Mate,, I dont -pHear the m0n0treme-

Your posts are a bit of Cooroy Mountain Springwater in the Yarra River of life,,,,















:angel:

[Michael2]

Well, this summary came from a Nissan driver neighbour of mine yesterday :

"If I won lotto, the only 4WD on the market would be a 130 DC Defender."

He summerised the V8 Cruiser Vs Defender with :


Best Articulation - The Defender
Lowest Cost - The Defender
Most Economical - The Defender
RPM at 100kph - <2000 for the Defender, 2300 for the V8 Cruiser
Best low range Climbing - The Defender

apparently some of the 4WD mags are saying nice things about Land Rovers lately. I haven't read any for awhile, but there you go, they're shaping peoples opinions.

[EchiDna]

Mate,, I dont -pHear the m0n0treme-

Your posts are a bit of Cooroy Mountain Springwater in the Yarra River of life,,,,















:angel:

is that a good thing? I've got no idea what cooroy water is about :(

[amtravic1]

is that a good thing? I've got no idea what cooroy water is about :(

I had trouble understanding that as well but I assume it is something to do with clean clear water (posts) and life being a bit muddy. The Yarra River is said to flow upside down, mud on top or something like that.

Ian

[JamesH]

The thing that puts me off the troopy station wagon (apart from the obvious) is the lack of the second fuel tank that the other traditional models have. I assume it has something to do with the seat configuration, but has anybody managed to put a second tank in one. That's a big negative in my view.

[jmkoffice]

There must be a reason why armies around the world have and still use Landrovers. Toyota, Mitsubishi and Nissan owners think only locally (Australia) when comparing the popularity of these vehicles. I’m sure sales of the V8 diesel in Europe will be limited.

Check out the new 76 series Landcruiser, new 4.5L diesel in a retro design, apparently parts of the market wanted this. For around $60,000 your accessories are limited to diff locks front and rear.

Let’s not forget Japans “design copying” since the 1960’s.

[BigJon]

The Yarra River is said to flow upside down, mud on top or something like that.

Ian

Too thick to drink, too thin to plow...

[Diego Luego]

Well, if you go to a showroom to buy a Defender, and are told you can have white only and have to wait until July, AFTER THE PRICE INCREASE, as I was yesterday, it is no ******g wonder they only sell 100 a year!

They are lucky to sell that many. There are obviously 100 very patient, forgiving Australians

[BigJon]

As far as I am aware, LR Australia are selling / have sold all of their allocated stocks of Defenders. They can't dictate to LR UK as to what they get, merely make suggestions as to what they would like. If your Dealer can't sell you one, I am sure it is because they can't get one to sell to you. All Dealers like to sell cars, it is part of how they make money!

[jmkoffice]

Well, if you go to a showroom to buy a Defender, and are told you can have white only and have to wait until July, AFTER THE PRICE INCREASE, as I was yesterday, it is no ******g wonder they only sell 100 a year!

They are lucky to sell that many. There are obviously 100 very patient, forgiving Australians
Good point. So poor sales can be partially attributed to "Clowns" selling a good product.

[Michael2]

[quote=BigJon;703474]As far as I am aware, LR Australia are selling / have sold all of their allocated stocks of Defenders. /quote]

Obviously they set a high target. Perhaps their thinking went something like this :


Hmm. Let's see, the competition sell 14,000 similar vehicles per annum. Lets set a sales target of 50.

100% of stock moved in 10% of the allocated time - oh goody, now I get a bonus.

[Rob101]

... July, AFTER THE PRICE INCREASE, as ...


Price increase .. WHA?

The brochure I have, from memory, says $49,990 for a 110, and $50,990 for 130 cc. And that was two weeks ago.
I got another one from the Melbourne motor show Saturday, I cannot recall what the price it had though.

also, the bloke i spoke to said that it would take a couple of months to get a new 110 into the country, unless you want white (i do) and the dealer can do a swap with another dealership.

[BigJon]

[quote=BigJon;703474]As far as I am aware, LR Australia are selling / have sold all of their allocated stocks of Defenders. /quote]

Obviously they set a high target. Perhaps their thinking went something like this :



Hmm. Let's see, the competition sell 14,000 similar vehicles per annum. Lets set a sales target of 50.



100% of stock moved in 10% of the allocated time - oh goody, now I get a bonus.


Maybe they said "How many draughty, leaky, poorly assembled, uncomfortable, slow, noisy Defenders have we been selling? Not many hmm... Maybe we only need to order a few in for those of questionable mental agility that will want a new one."

Then when they are all sold "Hell, lets get more of these things in, they sell pretty well (on the phone to UK "Get us more... what do you mean we can't have any more?... They are selling well everywhere else? Oh well, we will just have to wait").

:p:D:twisted::angel:

[Disco300Tdi]

Maybe because of their inept after sales service and do not wish to employ extra people to their call centre, they keep the imports down

Less cars sold = Less complaints

[Grizzly_Adams]

You folks have got it in one - they just don't have the facilities to make enough LR's for the demand...

BUT they don't make enough for be able to build more factories to be able to build more vehicles.....

Australia gets its allocation and that's it, when that allocation is sold well "I'm sorry you'll have to wait".

Why would LRA spend a fortune on marketing when they know they'll run out of stock in a month? All that would do is give them an even worse reputation (hard to believe, I know).

Would be better if they went back to CKD form and we put them together over here - might be able to pump out more vehicles at least and hey there's a nice Mitsubishi factory down south that will have some spare capacity shortly :angel::cool:

[Diego Luego]

My salesman said that any special orders from about now ie all Defenders will be subject to the price increase. If you have already ordered one you will be ok I suppose.

Anybody else been told there is a price increase?

[BigJon]

I haven't heard anything, but I am not a salesman. Mind you, we haven't even seen a new Defender here. We keep getting told the same thing that everyone else is told "Maybe next month" :eek:.

[sclarke]

So what was the question???
Why do toyo sell more???

EASY.... They are better....:D:D:D

[djam1]

Bigjon
Wouldn't get too upset about being told next month I went and looked for a Land Cruiser the other day and they said they couldn't deliver before November.

Clarkie you are a stirrer aren't you

[BigJon]

Doesn't worry me, I am only working here for two more weeks :D.

How is sunny Karratha?

[djam1]

Sunny about covers it Cyclones are being noted by their absence at the moment.