The idiots are at it again.

[RonMcGr]

I wonder who they survey?
Bogans in old Holdens, little old ladies, effeminate males?

I find this unacceptable as well, for other reasons. :mad:
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4WDs `socially unacceptable' | The Courier-Mail (http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,23330082-952,00.html)


4WDs `socially unacceptable'
Article from: NEWS.com.au


By staff writers

March 06, 2008 01:17pm

AUSTRALIANS are turning against 4WD vehicles because they are too big for city roads and "socially unacceptable" for their enviromental cost, a survey shows.

The survey of 2380 Australian drivers by motor insurers AAMI also revealed that 75 per cent of respondents thought the instalment of rear-cameras should be compulsory for all 4WDs.

The cameras - which provide drivers with another view while reversing - are already available on some models, AAMI spokesman Geoff Hughes said.

“Tragically, there are far too many incidents each year where people – particularly small children – are injured or even killed because they couldn’t easily be seen by the operator of a four-wheel drive vehicle,” Mr Hughes said.

But the majority of survey respondents said 4WDs should not even be on the road.

About 60 per cent of drivers said the larger vehicles did not belong in cities.

About 33 per cent said, because of the vehicles greenhouse gas emissions alone, 4WDs were socially unacceptable to drive.


Two-thirds of respondents said the larger vehicles were dangerous for drivers and 56 per cent said registration fees should be higher for 4WDs.

“Our increasingly congested roads in the major cities and built up areas are obviously giving some drivers cause for resenting their four-wheel drive counterparts who take up more space simply because of their size,” Mr Hughes said.

“However we would remind all road users of the need to exercise patience and to remember that 4WDs have as much right to roads as other registered vehicles.”

[Slunnie]

Sounds like an inner city survey.

[Fusion]

sounds like a bunch of crap to me :mad:

[vnx205]

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The survey of 2380 Australian drivers by motor insurers AAMI also revealed that 75 per cent of respondents thought the instalment of rear-cameras should be compulsory for all 4WDs.

The cameras - which provide drivers with another view while reversing - are already available on some models, AAMI spokesman Geoff Hughes said.

“Tragically, there are far too many incidents each year where people – particularly small children – are injured or even killed because they couldn’t easily be seen by the operator of a four-wheel drive vehicle,” Mr Hughes said.
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And I bet none of those 75% know that a lot of station wagons have worse rear vision because of the lower seating position.

A survey of the ignorant tells you nothing except maybe how many ignorant people there are and how ignorant they are.

[Slunnie]

And I bet none of those 75% know that a lot of station wagons have worse rear vision because of the lower seating position.

A survey of the ignorant tells you nothing except maybe how many ignorant people there are and how ignorant they are.
Actually sedans may even be worse. I think the Commodore sedan was up there with the worst rearward visibility.

[4bee]

“Our increasingly congested roads in the major cities and built up areas are obviously giving some drivers cause for resenting their four-wheel drive counterparts who take up more space simply because of their size,” Mr Hughes said.



A lot of sedans & station wagons seem to have a bigger footprint than my D1. Possibly a larger engine capacity as well.
Where do they get this biased crap?

Can't see past me? Move back then.

[mns488]

who cares, there is nothing they can do!;)

they have been whinging for years about this:angel:

now this is a good news article:

Man takes car on 5 day test drive - National - theage.com.au (http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/man-takes-car-on-fiveday-test-drive/2008/03/06/1204779951354.html)

[beforethevision]

The footprint of a car is primarily due to production costs, AFAIK most cars will never reach their production cost in terms of emissions through daily driving. So driving a simple LR is better than buying a new 'smart' car every three years.


And yes, my freelander gives WAAAY better rearward visibility than my gf's new lancer, or the new impreza's.

And, thinking about it, my freelander has a smaller wheel base and track than a conformadore.

Cheers!

[FenianEel]

That is about as scientific as the drivel ACA/TT come up with.

1. A sample group of 2380 within our population is the statistical equivalent of "my uncle's brothers bosses next door neighbour" reckons....

2. It was taken from inner city respondents

3. It was done by AAMI

4. Written by "staff writers" which means, they ripped it off from somewhere else, they printed it word for word from AAMI or no one is game to put their name to it.

We should do an Australian wide survey of 4176 Aulro members and "press release" that :2up::tease:

[inside]

Just on the reversing camera issue I thought this had been solved with the rear sensors that are getting more common these days? I know with mine if you have it in reverse and someone walks behind they beep like crazy. An audible alert should be better than looking in a camera while reversing?

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Between 1995 and 2000 According to the Motor Accidents Authority of NSW (http://www.maa.nsw.gov.au/getfile.aspx?Type=document&ID=11518&ObjectType=3&ObjectID=1342) driveway accidents accounted for less than 10% of all motor related fatalities (still too much)

"All driveway fatalities occurred in places in which the child was known and might be expected to be in."

It is interesting to note that the statement: "4WD’s and other large vehicles were over-represented in driveway fatalities" the only part of that classification that is reported by the media is 4WD. When you analyse the classification, the myriad of white vans, people movers and even trucks are all grouped together with the 4WD.

"When the behaviour of the driver was examined, it was found that 5 of the 9 driveway fatalities were known to occur when the driver was leaving the property, as was the case for 6 of the 10 other off-road pedestrian fatalities." This is one thing that people can do, once checking to the possible presence of a child, reverse into the driveway so you see whats in front when leaving.

There were other factors, like alcohol in some of the cases, unsupervised children in others but the most common reason was that the child moved to the place of the injury unexpectedly.

So Expect the Unexpected

Diana

[JDNSW]

Between 1995 and 2000 According to the Motor Accidents Authority of NSW (http://www.maa.nsw.gov.au/getfile.aspx?Type=document&ID=11518&ObjectType=3&ObjectID=1342) driveway accidents accounted for less than 10% of all motor related fatalities (still too much)

"All driveway fatalities occurred in places in which the child was known and might be expected to be in."

It is interesting to note that the statement: "4WD’s and other large vehicles were over-represented in driveway fatalities" the only part of that classification that is reported by the media is 4WD. When you analyse the classification, the myriad of white vans, people movers and even trucks are all grouped together with the 4WD.

"When the behaviour of the driver was examined, it was found that 5 of the 9 driveway fatalities were known to occur when the driver was leaving the property, as was the case for 6 of the 10 other off-road pedestrian fatalities." This is one thing that people can do, once checking to the possible presence of a child, reverse into the driveway so you see whats in front when leaving.

There were other factors, like alcohol in some of the cases, unsupervised children in others but the most common reason was that the child moved to the place of the injury unexpectedly.

So Expect the Unexpected

Diana

Actually, it has always been my understanding that reversing out of a driveway is actually illegal!

As others have mentioned above, tests by the NRMA have shown that the number of driving wheels of a vehicle has no fixed relation to the rear visibility, and as someone said above, the Commodore is one of the worst tested. The popular style of a high rear section and a nose down appearance, while it gives good boot space, does nothing for rearward visibility.

John

[RonMcGr]

Nothing like a healthy debate :D

I see it has got up some as it did me.

Cheers,

[maggsie]

So all these drivers surveyed feel threatened by the physical size of 4 wheel drives, however there is no mention of the countless delivery vans, small, medium and large body trucks plus all the semis on the road that are all measurably larger than any 4 wheeler. This 'survey' is as credible as a three dollar note!

Maggsie

[waynep]

who cares, there is nothing they can do!;)

they have been whinging for years about this:angel:

now this is a good news article:

Man takes car on 5 day test drive - National - theage.com.au (http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/man-takes-car-on-fiveday-test-drive/2008/03/06/1204779951354.html)


mmmm. no wonder Land Rover Australia don't respond to my requests for a test drive of the 07 Defender. .....

[waynep]

Nothing like a healthy debate :D

I see it has got up some as it did me.

Cheers,

they should have surveyed more rednecks ....:D ...to get balance

[graceysdad]

What a great big heap of crap

[Tommy]

If anything is 'socially unacceptable' on our roads....this is it.


https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2008/03/591.jpg

[Diego Luego]

1. I installed rear sensors on my 2002 Xtreme, after a near miss with a large tree with a sticking out branch. Didn't cost much either. You only have to bump something once to pay for it.

2. I hate driving my wife's Golf because of the rotten rear vision.

3. Not many domestic middle size vehicles approach the 10 litres/100K including city driving, that we get in our TD5s -Discos and Defenders.

[strangy]

Thee same people were surveyed regarding alien invaders and the majority of respondants claimed to have been rectally probed.

[George130]

Bunch of know nothing inner city Dick Heads. They had it on the radio today claiming it was a survey of Canberra.
They need to get their facts right. If they ban 4WD from the city then they should follow that logic by banning non 4wd's from out of the city's:twisted:.

[graceysdad]

Have you seen those little tiny yuppy cars looks like if you farted in one you would blow the windows out, think merc make them, what about the other stuff that conjest our roads like bloody great trucks, busses, back hoes and the like, why do they always pick on the poor old 4wd owner, we must be seen as the scape goats I expect, its really is enough to give you the sh1ts and think about moving to New Zealand or something, who dreams up this ****!

[jik22]

At a guess, they surveyed their customers (Probably not the ones with 4x4's!) during renewal phone calls....

Personally, I think safety has less to do with the type of car and more to do with the complete lack of general driving ability I see on the roads. :(

[George130]

Have you seen those little tiny yuppy cars looks like if you farted in one you would blow the windows out, think merc make them, what about the other stuff that conjest our roads like bloody great trucks, busses, back hoes and the like, why do they always pick on the poor old 4wd owner, we must be seen as the scape goats I expect, its really is enough to give you the sh1ts and think about moving to New Zealand or something, who dreams up this ****!

Nah not that extreem. Just run em over as they have already told us we can't see out of our monsterous death machines and are agressive:twisted:. plus we are the cause of all the things that are bad in the world.

[Sandtoyz]

I'm sure this is the same drivel they wrote about last year...
Story line seems familiar.... :angel:
'A recent survey.... Blah, Blah, Blah.... we hate 4x4's... Blah, Blah, Blah' :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Did they just go through their archived stories and re-hash the words again???
Lazy, biased journalism!

[5teve]

At a guess, they surveyed their customers (Probably not the ones with 4x4's!) during renewal phone calls....

Personally, I think safety has less to do with the type of car and more to do with the complete lack of general driving ability I see on the roads. :(

totally agree round here mate... driving standards are only just up from what could be managed witha blindfold on... you only have to look at the number of accidents and signs knocked down on those nice straight dry roads that we have...

anyway landys are smaller than patrols and cruisers and the toynissan mob reckon that landrovers arent 4wd's so that excludes us from the survey :D

Thanks

Steve

[Lotz-A-Landies]

You know what also gets on my nerve is when they use the term "over-represented" relating the 4WD in the whatever research subject is about.

How they calculate "representation" of a particular class of of vehicles, is based on the sales/registrations of new vehicles in that class of vehicles in the most recent completed year (where the data are available).

The big problem with that is that the average life of small cars is something around 10 years where with larger vehicles the average life is closer to 20 years. This results in the proportion of "large vehicles" within population being potentially 2 or three times greater than the proportion based upon new registrations.

A second aspect often overlooked in these types of surveys, is that "large vehicles" including vans and trucks are mostly commercially registered, and therefore on the roads more days per week and doing larger distances than the private car which usually transit to work or only get used on weekends. Therefore of the proportion of large vehicles on the road per hour, available to be involved in crashes is quite a lot greater than any analysis based on new registrations.

Hence the category 4WD (which we now know includes B doubles and white vans) have greater representation on the road than any of the simple statistics suggest.

Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics.

Diana

[Blknight.aus]

Actually, it has always been my understanding that reversing out of a driveway is actually illegal!



This has been covered before..

go deep enough into the leglease of it all and not only is it illegal to back out of your driveway its illegal to back into it.

the purpose of most laws is to give laywers something to do to make money

the purpose of statistics is to allow someone to prove a point no matter how wrong it actually is... Dont believe me? using statistical analysis I can prove that a pig can fly.

[moose]

An audible alert should be better than looking in a camera while reversing?
That's what amazes me about scruby's latest rant, he reckon's camera should be mandatory, and while they are good, you have to be constantly looking at the monitor, while sensors allow you to use more than just sight and peripheral vision as an aid.


If anything is 'socially unacceptable' on our roads....this is it.


https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2008/03/591.jpg

Not to mention morally unacceptable.:o

[Lotz-A-Landies]

That's what amazes me about scruby's latest rant, he reckon's camera should be mandatory, and while they are good, you have to be constantly looking at the monitor, while sensors allow you to use more than just sight and peripheral vision as an aid.
Absolutely correct - a camera only has a field of view in front of the lens.

Sensors, depending on placement, can give coverage even around the side of the vehicle.

But when has Scruby ever hit the nail on the head?

[disco2hse]

Warning, may cause high blood pressure and increase the output of personal carbon based product.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2008/03/589.jpg

[HAK]

That is about as scientific as the drivel ACA/TT come up with.

1. A sample group of 2380 within our population is the statistical equivalent of "my uncle's brothers bosses next door neighbour" reckons....

2. It was taken from inner city respondents

3. It was done by AAMI

4. Written by "staff writers" which means, they ripped it off from somewhere else, they printed it word for word from AAMI or no one is game to put their name to it.

We should do an Australian wide survey of 4176 Aulro members and "press release" that :2up::tease:


Well said I think we do one now it should go like this

4176 Aulro members where surveyed and 100% of them said wake up and smell the coffee we all dont drive military spec hummers

Aulro members also come up with the conclusion that 4wd owners dont do donuts line locker and genral burn out and that cars that are capable of this should wear an extra tax

all boy racer and V8 super car wana be's should all be banned of the road and squashed by metal compacter and no componsation to the owner :eek2::angel:

[Quarks]

Warning, may cause high blood pressure and increase the output of personal carbon based product.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=iz9va66p6Pw

Why would that cause high blood pressure, etc? :confused:

Didn't you notice that the guy was driving a ******?
:twisted::p:D

[disco2hse]

Why would that cause high blood pressure, etc? :confused:

Umm, watching the ad may cause high blood pressure :rolleyes:


Didn't you notice that the guy was driving a ******?
:twisted::p:D

Ahh yes I did, but not relevant to the message in the ad, which is saying it is ok to be really nasty to anyone who drives any kind of 4x4.

Boy, it really spoils the fun when you have to explain the joke :huh:

[cdrtravis]

They should do a survey up here in the NT, where having a fourbie is practically mandatory - especially if you live outside of Darwin.

They're into all that anti-four-wheel-drive crap in the UK. Don't need it here, thank you.

[dobbo]

Warning, may cause high blood pressure and increase the output of personal carbon based product.


Well he drives a Cruiser, how else do you want them to treat him?

I say ban the 4wd's from cities and whilst your at it ban the road taxes on 4wd's at the same time considering the drivers would no longer be able to use 95% of the states roads due to them being based in the city.

They also need to redefine a City at the same time considering Parramatta is now classified as the centre of Sydney due to the increase in size compared to 20 years ago.

Will this happen? F no

[beforethevision]

From what friends who live in the UK suggest, you can get to just about every likely destination by public transport. And if a bus can get there, you dont need a 4wd.

Here is different. There are much larger properties, larger distances, and waay more roads to remain full of holes.

[RonMcGr]

If you go back to the original link, click on it again, them read the "Comments".

Very interesting :D

[Tote]

I saw that last night and was going to post a comment but figured that I would be just fuelling Newscorp's desire to generate publicity and more sales.
Regards,
Tote

[jik22]

From what friends who live in the UK suggest, you can get to just about every likely destination by public transport. And if a bus can get there, you dont need a 4wd.



That's true of the major cities, but not of the countryside - small country or not, a 4x4 is just as essential there for some. The backlash there is mainly against all the "Chelsea tractors" - stereotyping rich people in X5's and Range Rovers who use them to drop the kids off at school and who never go off-road. Unfortunately, the genuine owners with a real need got tarred with the same brush by the media.

[5teve]

From what friends who live in the UK suggest, you can get to just about every likely destination by public transport. And if a bus can get there, you dont need a 4wd.

Here is different. There are much larger properties, larger distances, and waay more roads to remain full of holes.

does your friend work next door to where he lives?

public transport is a joke in the UK... it costs the earth and they try and limit the amount of people that use it.. oh and it takes you all day to get to where your going...

where i used to live it took me 20 minutes to drive to work, by train it took 45 minutes plus a 15 minute walk at either end! no bus to the station either. all up it used to cost 6.80gbp return...

example.. they are using less train carraiges so that less people use them

the transport system isnt integrated in the slightest. although i do think the tube in london works very well... but needs so much work doing...

the thing people dont see is that the 4x4's are any bigger than a mid sized car... they are just taller. and us being landy owners we have smaller engines that are more efficient than the other brands! :)

really maybe a petition to stop winging is in order plus a survey of the average sized car in comparison to a 4wd and engine size included...

Thanks

Steve

[disco2hse]

If you go back to the original link, click on it again, them read the "Comments".

Very interesting :D

Aren't they just :cool: Seems GP are getting some serious stick these days :bat: :arms: :banana: :D

[Landy110]

This is where the four wheel drive council should be joining forces with manufacturers to publically dispell these myths about 4wd's.
My Fenda is smaller than a falcon or commodore and uses less fuel in the city. If you want real poor rear visibility, look at all the holden crewman utes getting around with a dent in the tailgate. They might as well come out of the factory that way.
My defender is the easies vehicle I've ever parked and has far and away the best all round visibility.

[edddo]

Thee same people were surveyed regarding alien invaders and the majority of respondants claimed to have been rectally probed.


rotflmao!!:D

[Bigbjorn]

All us old truckies if surveyed, would say ban all private cars, or at the very least ban all caravans and motor homes.

Peak hour congestion could be solved at the stroke of a legislative pen. Simply declare "business districts" and ban all private vehicles except bona fide residents, goods deliveries, and essential service vehicles from entering these declared districts during peak hours. Main roads leading to the districts can be declared through roads only with no deviation from the main road unless one of the permitted class of vehicle.

Now in the immortal words of Sir Humphrey Appleby, this would be "a most courageous decision, Minister" and probably result in a change of government next election.

[foz.in.oz]

This has been covered before..


the purpose of statistics is to allow someone to prove a point no matter how wrong it actually is... Dont believe me? using statistical analysis I can prove that a pig can fly.

I'm afraid you are not correct. With statistics you can only, with a calculated degree of confidence, prove to some level of probability that it might fly. To prove it can fly you need to do some sort of experiment. The real world is the best test.:D

Now back to the real argument, I'm with AAMI and they didn't ask me!. :mad:

I can remember in the news a while ago some famous sports man runnning over his own kid in his own driveway and he had some spoty looking saloon car. Just be greatful he didn't have a 4x4 or we would all be doing time for it!!!

[RonMcGr]

All us old truckies if surveyed, would say ban all private cars, or at the very least ban all caravans and motor homes.


That is typical!

At least, on our Cravan Forum, there is one "Truckie" who drives interstate and is part of the forum to help Truckies and caravaners to get along and share the road.

Some of his tips have been fantastic and we have all taken them on board. I have noticed that the other truckies on the road, appreciate the small things Caravaners can do to help.

[Bigbjorn]

That is typical!

At least, on our Cravan Forum, there is one "Truckie" who drives interstate and is part of the forum to help Truckies and caravaners to get along and share the road.

Some of his tips have been fantastic and we have all taken them on board. I have noticed that the other truckies on the road, appreciate the small things Caravaners can do to help.

For decades caravanners have been known by truckies as "terrorists" not tourists for damn good reasons. They drive too slow, typically 20kph under the speed limit, they don't pull over to allow other traffic past, they (mostly) have no idea of the width of their vehicles so jib at sharing a bridge thus forcing all behind to brake heavily. I could go on. If you pull a van drive at the speed limit. A 600horsepower B Double with a schedule to keep is sure as hell going to be keeping speed up and does not appreciate being stuck behind a slow moving terrorist for kilometre after kilometre. The Pacific Highway stretch from Brunswick Heads to south of Urunga is a bloody nightmare in peak seasons because of these slow movers.

[njz]

sounds like a bunch of crap to me :mad:

X 2

[WedWon]

Sarcasm Warning Sarcasm Warning

Lets apply for a grant from the Government and do our own survey. Surveying only members of this forum.
Subject "Do you agree that little children should be banned because of the amount of damage they do to 4wd rear bumbers, tyres and drivers' reputations?"


Serious mode is now back on:

This is once again the knee jerk "lets throw a law at it" solution requested by the modern young parent who really wants to avoid parenting. Yes its tragic to hear of a young child (or any child for that matter) hurt or even killed by our beloved 4wds.

But the real question, I believe, whch is typically being avoided by this group is why do more and more parents not know where thir kids are?
Accidents will happen, but the increasing trend of these types of accidents needs to be shared (and not neccesarily eqully) by the parents of the victims as well as the drivers


<now that ought to stir up some of you!!>




Jason7001
Make me your Prime Minister and I'll see you're all right!!!!

[brownie66]

“Tragically, there are far too many incidents each year where people – particularly small children – are injured or even killed because they couldn’t easily be seen by the operator of a four-wheel drive vehicle,” Mr Hughes said.

.”

I would like to have the stats presented and comparisons to other vehicles as well. Love unqualified statements....

[dandlandyman]

Statistics are great! They can be used to prove almost anything...

[George130]

I say ban the 4wd's from cities and whilst your at it ban the road taxes on 4wd's at the same time considering the drivers would no longer be able to use 95% of the states roads due to them being based in the city.

They also need to redefine a City at the same time considering Parramatta is now classified as the centre of Sydney due to the increase in size compared to 20 years ago.

Will this happen? F no
As long as they follow the same reasoning out of the citys and ban non 4wd's. Otherwise NO. unless they provide secure parking at the city edge and an alternative vehicle at their expense.
If they don't like this compromise then they can bit my shiny but.

[Blknight.aus]

I had some idiot ask me once If I thought it was approprite to use a landrover to pick up a small box of parts when there were other more suitable vehicles available to the ADF....

being in a bad mood I sort of said yeah they do, I'll be back...

an hour later I had the driveway blocked off with an R series and 20 t plant trailer.....

someone wasnt as amused as I was....

[RobHay]

Thee same people were surveyed regarding alien invaders and the majority of respondants claimed to have been rectally probed.

:eek: :o:Rolling::Rolling::Rolling::Rolling::Rolling::Ro lling:

[RobHay]

Dont believe me? using statistical analysis I can prove that a pig can fly.


Oh I have flown in a Pig, not many around today at least still flying:D;)

[Utemad]

I drove a current model Commodore sedan today (a rental :burnrubber:). I could not believe how poor the visibility was. The mirrors are tiny and when I looked over my right shoulder to merge I could not see a damn thing!
When merging you have to use the force :mad:

Getting back into the Disco was absolute bliss :)

[jik22]

The mirrors are tiny and when I looked over my right shoulder to merge I could not see a damn thing!
When merging you have to use the force :mad:



I remember the UK Ferrari importer being interviewed by a motoring mag years back, and he was asked how he safely merged when driving a LHD model he'd just bought in from Italy. His reply was he floored it and hoped like hell he didn't meet one of his customers already on the motorway. :)

[Stepho_62]

"Idiot"

A member of a large and powerful tribe whose influence in human affairs has always been dominant and controling. The idiots activity is not confined to any special field of thought or action, but "pervades and regulates the whole" he has the last word in everything: his decision is unappealable. He sets the fashion and opinion of taste, dictates the limitations of speach and circumscribes conduct with a deadline.

Ambrose Bierce, The Devils Dictionary

Describes the tossers that wrote that article:D n their contributers.:eek:

[dobbo]

I need a Tow vehicle (compulsary for many reasons) so do Greenpeace want me to get rid of my 2.5L diesel 4wd built to european standards?

or

Go the 2wd way and buy a tow vehicle with a lot of cubic inches in engine displacement?

[RonMcGr]

Oh I have flown in a Pig, not many around today at least still flying:D;)

As in F111 ?

[sclarke]

Remember 95% of statistics are made up on the spot.


;)

[justinc]

A friend of mine has a Mits 380, worst rear blind spots of any vehicle he reckons!!!


JC

[numpty]

Oh I have flown in a Pig, not many around today at least still flying:D;)

That would be a Piaggio, would it not?:cool:

[V8Ian]

Nothing like a healthy debate :D

I see it has got up some as it did me.

Cheers,

You should have a talk back radio show on the ABC Ron;)
I can only listen to 4KQ at home:(, how did we manage before www:confused:

[disco2hse]

I need a Tow vehicle (compulsary for many reasons) so do Greenpeace want me to get rid of my 2.5L diesel 4wd built to european standards?

or

Go the 2wd way and buy a tow vehicle with a lot of cubic inches in engine displacement?

No no no. GP wants you to pull it while riding your bicycle :p Or perhaps you could harness a horse instead. ;)

[Reads90]

4. Written by "staff writers" which means, they ripped it off from somewhere else, they printed it word for word from AAMI or no one is game to put their name to it.

We should do an Australian wide survey of 4176 Aulro members and "press release" that :2up::tease:

Typical article you will find in the UK papers (and bleive me they are always in them ). I read it and thought they had ripped if off word for word from the Uk as that is what it sounds and reads like :)

[dobbo]

No no no. GP wants you to pull it while riding your bicycle :p Or perhaps you could harness a horse instead. ;)


So a 7.0L v8 it is then, or can a 4BD1 run on whale blubber?

[Blknight.aus]

So a 7.0L v8 it is then, or can a 4BD1 run on whale blubber?

if you refine it enough sure.... its just oil and that engine will run on anything from sweet lite crude through to avtur.

you might attract a few japs if they get scent of it if you do set it up for whale blubber tho....