Your opinion on air compressors!!!

[long stroke]

Hi looking at air compressors and i don't know which one!
What are your experiances?
I like the look of the BOSS one on ebay,has anyone used one of these? If so can you let me know what they are like!

CHEERS
TIM..

[cewilson]

I've just purchased the ARB High Flow Air Compressor. Primarily got it for the Air Lockers, but it doubles as my air supply as well.

Costs around $300 not fitted with the hose kit.

Cheers
Chris

[olmate]

Have had a Blue Tounge since 1997 and have given it a floggin' . Its not quick but it has been reliable and strong ;)

[Yorkshire_Jon]

I dont know what sort of flow rate your electric one over there have, but I suspect they will be the same as ours over here.

For my money, it has to be an engine driven one.

EndlessAir are based in Oz - they do 6 or 8cfm versions and are great for TDi and TD5 motors.

If you need more air volume and run a 200tdi then you can use the 10cfm York twin cylinder compressor.

All have electric clutches and so use no engine power when not in use.

[EchiDna]

depends if you value your aircon or not doesn't it? :) as I notice from another thread, you are a prospective visitor to the NT during the buildup... trust me from UK late spring to NT buildup would be a shock to the system on a level you can't imagine... think 95% RH and 35 degrees everyday... still don't value your aircon?? :)

DIY "endlessair" is pretty common in the cooler states, but changing from aircon to non-aircon for the sake of pumping up tyres in the north would be daft IMHO...

reminds me that somewhere on here there is a thread running about on adding a second aircon compressor while retaining aircon, plus there is also a good tutorial on one of the US j33p sites... google is your friend

[lnd130]

ive just bought a new max air from bush ranger seems to go well and it fits straight under the drivers seat off the 130

[Yorkshire_Jon]

Agree - wouldnt remove aircon pump, add a second!

Doable on 300Tdi and also TD5. But the latter is a REAL squeeze!

[cols110]

I have both a Thomas Twin Tongue and a Bushranger Super Max, I think the Maxair is the better of the two, but both are great compressors and you will be happy with either of them. The other smaller Bushranger compressor are also very good as well, most people use the Max Airs out here in Dubai and they give good service for a couple of years if used every weekend, but will probably last a life time with normal use, we normally blow from 10-12psi back to road pressures so they really do get used a lot.

I would like to fit a York compressor, but it looks like a lot of stuffing around on a TD5, so have stuck with the electric ones for now, but might try to fit one later on.

[Yorkshire_Jon]

No way you'll get a York onto a TD5, there just isnt the room. At least not under a standard defender bonnet.

8cfm EndlessAir will just fit though, more or less where the where the air-sus pump goes on the Disco II.

[cols110]

Yeah the York looks like a no go on a TD5, i have always been a bit worried about the conventional type compressors, IIRC you have to internally lubricate them all, unlike the York which has convention rings.

I have so far stuck with electric compressors for this reason, even at 8psi I have yet to roll a tyre off the rim, but with the continual inflation that we do, with that small amount of oil in the air I am scarred of getting a build up of oil residue in the tyres which may start causing the tyres to pop off the beads.

Or I may just be paranoid. :D

[Yorkshire_Jon]

There is a difference internally between an old air con pump that is used for air and a proper EndlessAir / ExtremeAir compressor.

I dont profess to know exactly what the differences are but I do know that they change some seals and convert them to run on a bit of grease.

I have used both air con pumps for and and proper air compressors for years (quite hard at times), you never get any oil in the air of the ExtremeAir type and loads in the aircon pumps... Id never use a standard aircon pump now - Seen too much oil inside rims....

[Yorkshire_Jon]

Also, the Yorks are MUCH noisier in operation

[cols110]

Interesting, I might have to start looking into them a bit more.

[rovercare]

depends if you value your aircon or not doesn't it? :) as I notice from another thread, you are a prospective visitor to the NT during the buildup... trust me from UK late spring to NT buildup would be a shock to the system on a level you can't imagine... think 95% RH and 35 degrees everyday... still don't value your aircon?? :)

DIY "endlessair" is pretty common in the cooler states, but changing from aircon to non-aircon for the sake of pumping up tyres in the north would be daft IMHO...

reminds me that somewhere on here there is a thread running about on adding a second aircon compressor while retaining aircon, plus there is also a good tutorial on one of the US j33p sites... google is your friend

You can add another compressor, don't need to remove A/C;)

[CraigE]

It all depends on waht you really want. Do you wnat a portable unit to take from car to car or a fixed unit for doing one car only and maybe diff locks?
I have had a Blue Tongue since 95 and it has not missed a beat. We use the Bushranger Maxairs at work and while they are not bad are a lot less robust. Personally I would stick with a Thomas based compressor and buy the best you can afford.

[long stroke]

Thanks for your opinions:)but which would you go for out of an endless air or a normal portable compressor.

CHEERS

REGARDS

TIM..

[Yorkshire_Jon]

Thanks for your opinions:)but which would you go for out of an endless air or a normal portable compressor.

CHEERS

REGARDS

TIM..

As CraigE said, it really depends on what you want & need. If you need volume of air and speed then Id go for the engine driven type. If however you only need something for occasional use and have no lockers to worry about and dont really need a belt and braces solution then Id look at a cheaper portable unit and accept the limitations.


To try and put numbers to it for you, EndlessAir & ExtremeAir compressor's (both engine driven) are available in 6cfm or 8cfm variants. Over here in the UK, the largest electric, portable compressor will produce about 3cfm but typically you are looking at about 2cfm - 2.5cfm. Not wanting to teach granny to such eggs but cfm = cubic feet per minute. Dont worry about pressure - they will all do upto 115psi (8bar) with no worries at all. Air tools typically require an air source of about 7cfm upwards.

[cucinadio]

this was a helpful thread for me, it might make for some interesting reading :D

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/general-chat/50713-compressor-comparo.html

cheers

[Bush65]

Thanks for your opinions:)but which would you go for out of an endless air or a normal portable compressor.

CHEERS

REGARDS

TIM..
York will win - lay down misere :D

[rick130]

York will win - lay down misere :D

or a Tecumseh HG, but you'd have to use an oil separator in the discharge line of either.

[long stroke]

As CraigE said, it really depends on what you want & need. If you need volume of air and speed then Id go for the engine driven type. If however you only need something for occasional use and have no lockers to worry about and dont really need a belt and braces solution then Id look at a cheaper portable unit and accept the limitations.


To try and put numbers to it for you, EndlessAir & ExtremeAir compressor's (both engine driven) are available in 6cfm or 8cfm variants. Over here in the UK, the largest electric, portable compressor will produce about 3cfm but typically you are looking at about 2cfm - 2.5cfm. Not wanting to teach granny to such eggs but cfm = cubic feet per minute. Dont worry about pressure - they will all do upto 115psi (8bar) with no worries at all. Air tools typically require an air source of about 7cfm upwards.

Cheers mate!:)

[long stroke]

this was a helpful thread for me, it might make for some interesting reading :D

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/general-chat/50713-compressor-comparo.html

cheers

Good idea,i was thinking of doing something like that:)

THANKS

TIM..

[Bush65]

or a Tecumseh HG, but you'd have to use an oil separator in the discharge line of either.
Sorry don't know about the Tecumseh HG compressor. But Yorks pump more air than any axial piston, vehicle, aircon compressor that I know of (and more than a lot of workshop compressors sold at toolies, gasweld etc), and thanks to a separate wet sump. don't have the lubrication issues.

Yorks have an internal lube passage between the suction valve and front main bearing. Plugging the port is reasonably simple and prevents most oil getting into the air. Oil separators can be configured to return oil to the York's sump.

[rick130]

the Tecumseh HG is an equivalent of the York, and while designed for car A/C use, was mainly used in Australia in transport refrigeration driven by a small petrol or diesel engine.
1.875" bore/stroke, twin cylinder, so it would pump a reasonable amount of air.
They are heavy little buggers with a cast iron crankcase. I think they might even be interchangeable with the York.

I think I have one or both packed away in the shed.

All refrigeration/air conditioning compressors have some sort of oil return port from the suction manifold side to the sump that you'd have to plug to reduce oil lift.

[agrojnr]

Long stroke I have a boss model they are fantastic but there are a few things to keep in mind

1 there noisy
2 they are not water proof
3 f______g heavy (12kg)
4 they get HOT


But they are great 0-150psi (in a 21L tank) 3.5mins and there is more than enough air to pump up as many tyres as you like.

I am going to reduce the size of my tank to 9L just to save time

I also have mine installed in sound proofing with cooler fan inside the disco and at full noise my wife says its quite (load to me) if you need pics let me know.

Adam

[long stroke]

Long stroke I have a boss model they are fantastic but there are a few things to keep in mind

1 there noisy
2 they are not water proof
3 f______g heavy (12kg)
4 they get HOT


But they are great 0-150psi (in a 21L tank) 3.5mins and there is more than enough air to pump up as many tyres as you like.

I am going to reduce the size of my tank to 9L just to save time

I also have mine installed in sound proofing with cooler fan inside the disco and at full noise my wife says its quite (load to me) if you need pics let me know.

Adam

CHEERS ADAM,SOUNDS GOOD!!

PICS WOULD BE GREAT!

CHEERS TIM....

[agrojnr]

Here we go

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2008/04/713.jpg
Rear Draws

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2008/03/191.jpg
Lid covering compressor

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2008/03/192.jpg
Front Panel to compressor

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2008/03/193.jpg
Inside of lid showing sound proofing

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2008/03/194.jpg
Compressor

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2008/03/195.jpg
Cooling fan


When the area is sealed the fan turns on only when the compressor is running.
Its nearly finished I just have to install some more switches and circuits and then its ready



Adam

[long stroke]

Looks good top job!! i'll have to look in to something similar for the 110.

CHEERS TIM..