Carrying wine when outback driving

[Scallops]

Distinguished Colleagues,

In 8 weeks Mrs Scallops and I will embark on our around Oz trip in our new Defender. Now - I don't drink :p - but Mrs Scallops loves her red wine. I was thinking of buying a few 10l Browns Brothers casks - reasonable quality and enough to keep Kat going for a few weeks at least ;) - but - I wondered if anyone has had the experience of wine bladders rubbing and rupturing - especially on long corrugated sections of road.

We are going to very remote and tough tracks (Old Gunbarrel, Kimberleys, Nathan River road, Chambers Pillar etc) and I don't want a sea of wine throughout Grover. What do you think?

[Aaron]

bubble wrap them!

[45tr0]

just watch out for dry communities - bloody heavy fines for carrying even a bottle in - hate to see the book they'd throw at you for a whole bunch of casks! :eek:

[dobbo]

You could carry a jerry can of Red, drink it before the corrogations or my prefered option is place it in an esky that way it's temp controlled to a certain extent, I have never spilt a drop of grog yet.

[Tusker]

just watch out for dry communities - bloody heavy fines for carrying even a bottle in - hate to see the book they'd throw at you for a whole bunch of casks! :eek:

x 2

Buy it as you go. Penalties I believe can be as high as vehicle confiscation.

And the grog shops in Alice aren't open in the morning..

I've never had any probs with the bladders though. And they're handy when they're empty - blow them up & stick in the fridge when its half empty, stops more breakages.

Regards
Max P

[Outlaw]

Never thought about dry communities.... i think you have a reason to get a foodgrade sill tank made just for the wine :D:D:D

[RonMcGr]

Distinguished Colleagues,

In 8 weeks Mrs Scallops and I will embark on our around Oz trip in our new Defender. Now - I don't drink :p - but Mrs Scallops loves her red wine. I was thinking of buying a few 10l Browns Brothers casks - reasonable quality and enough to keep Kat going for a few weeks at least ;) - but - I wondered if anyone has had the experience of wine bladders rubbing and rupturing - especially on long corrugated sections of road.

We are going to very remote and tough tracks (Old Gunbarrel, Kimberleys, Nathan River road, Chambers Pillar etc) and I don't want a sea of wine throughout Grover. What do you think?

Put them in a wine carton and place paper between the bottles. As the missus devours a bottle, put the empty back to fill in the hole. Believe me, it works :D

[Scallops]

Put them in a wine carton and place paper between the bottles. As the missus devours a bottle, put the empty back to fill in the hole. Believe me, it works :D

So you reckon bottles rather than a cask(s)?

[Scallops]

just watch out for dry communities - bloody heavy fines for carrying even a bottle in - hate to see the book they'd throw at you for a whole bunch of casks! :eek:

Yes - I don't want to undermine any dry area bans - I will instruct Mrs Scallops to devour all the contraband liquids the night before we enter any alcohol restrictive areas :D But it seems people have successfully carried wine bladders which is good news - the bubble wrap might just be good insurance though. :p

[graceysdad]

Tell you all a funny story about this wine and jerry cans biz, many years ago when dad was a Sgt in the army he was out on excercise at the El Amien camp in South Oz, he was tasked with ferrying the CO around the course, anyways they had a 2A shorty for this, dad was also tasked with ferrying the plonk out for the NCOs, not totally legal in those days so dad filled two jerrys with plonk and strapped them on, off he went with CO in tow they get half way to where they are going and the landy boils, there dad with the bonnet up and hes standing around scratching his head thinking about how the deep the poo is hes about to be thrown into, the COs enquires to the problem, dad said shes boiled Boss, the CO said you have water in the cans fill it and lets be on our our way, cant do that Sir, after being told why he couldnt fill the radiator, lets just say the old boy was given the drum in more ways then one.

[weeds]

if you take bottles buy some thick rubber bands and put two on each bottle, this stop them rattling

i had to sneak through finke with around 5 thirty packs of beer...i wasn't stopping for anybody

[abaddonxi]

Socks.

There is one section on a track that I do regularly that is called, Fish Sauce.

You can guess why.

Cheers
Simon

[RonMcGr]

So you reckon bottles rather than a cask(s)?

Cannot say I've ever tried red in a cask :eek:

[wayneD]

My first post to this forum. If you carry bottles, put the bottles in you spare socks and that will stop them from rattling and protect them.

[The ho har's]

Scallops
mrs ho har here
I to don't mind a drop or two but I prefer White and no ho har does not drink either. I have always had a good quality cask wine on board and in all these years of driving off road have never had any breaks or leakages. Sometimes it can be hard to buy your prefered brand in remote areas but usually there is an OK one. In most restricted areas you can only carry 2ltrs of wine so the big casks are not practical. Most communities carry onlyt 2ltr casks in the bottle shops. To to get off this subject when are you leaving we are going on 24th May for 6 weeks Alice, Tanami. GRR etc :banana: :banana:

[vnx205]

It seems I'm the only one who has had trouble with cask wine.

Years ago I had one in the Series III on a trip up to Innaminka and across to the Birdsville Track through Lake Blanche and Lake Gregory.
It was slow, but not particularly rough. The half full wine bladder managed to develop a small hole. I think it rubbed against itself.
We didn't have a suitable alternative container, so we had to drink it all that night.:p
It wasn't as bad as it sounds though. There was another couple to help us.

However I have never had it happen since. I think It was a bit of a one off. Possibly being half full was worse than full or almost empty.

[dmdigital]

First off, watch the dry communities issue, fines can be in excess of $10,000, jail and confiscation of vehicle and all equipment!

Secondly, under the fedral government intervention laws invoked last year it is illegal to transport more than 1350ml of pure alcohol (equivalent) through aboriginal land or any alcohol that has been opened. A 10L wine case at say 14% Alcohol content would = 1400ml of alcohol and exceed the 1350ml limit.

In some communities - Alice Springs, Boraloola, Nhulunbuy and others - there is now a permit system for the purchase of alcoholic drinks. Permits are free and easy to obtain from NT government offices. But there are also other community specific laws being enacted, I know Alice Springs has different laws to Nhulunbuy and I did hear Katherine was trying to go to a dry zone.

If you are going through aboriginal land areas don't carry alcohol, that's the simple way of avoiding the issues.

I'm sure others forum members from Alice and other parts of the NT and remote WA can add to this information. The fedral government intervention, I believe, only applies to the NT. The dry areas and aboriginal land issues are applicable across the country with varying penalties.

[Scallops]

Scallops
mrs ho har here
I to don't mind a drop or two but I prefer White and no ho har does not drink either. I have always had a good quality cask wine on board and in all these years of driving off road have never had any breaks or leakages. Sometimes it can be hard to buy your prefered brand in remote areas but usually there is an OK one. In most restricted areas you can only carry 2ltrs of wine so the big casks are not practical. Most communities carry onlyt 2ltr casks in the bottle shops. To to get off this subject when are you leaving we are going on 24th May for 6 weeks Alice, Tanami. GRR etc :banana: :banana:

Thanks for the advice everyone - We'lll be careful to respect the limits in aboriginal lands.

mrs ho ha - we are leaving on the 26th May for 12-14 weeks - first stop Roma/Carnarvon Gorge. Itinerary attached - would love to hook up if possible at some stage. :)

[streaky]

Sorry...off topic but this is killing the curiosity in me.

You have 'dry communities' in Australia? I thought the nation was founded on booze as a center focal point!
I lived in Saudi Arabia for ten years...alcohol is banned and fines are severe. But Australia for gods sake!

Can you explain how you know where the dry areas are? Would it be possible to drive through one by mistake or is it well advertised that booze is forbidden? We have a dry Emirate call "Sahrjah"..but everyone just knows it's a dry place because we simply just know.
Sorry for diverting....

Regards.

S.

[LandyAndy]

Hi Streaky
Its on many Aboriginal reserves now.
The only way to help them is to ban all grog.
The penalties are to stop SLY grogers selling booze at huge prices to the natives.
Andrew

[CraigE]

A couple of food grade sealable containers 1-2lt works, just decant wine into it. I have not had any of the bladders inside cartons split, so they should be ok. Another option is to buy the wine bottle foam packing containers from yourlocal post office for bottles. Some wine wholesalers will sell you win or port in plastic containers either byo or they supply for additional cost.

[loanrangie]

My wine usually sits in the passenger seat or occassionally in the rear when the younger vintages start to burst their bubbles :D.

[Scallops]

Can you buy 10l casks? PLease tell me where :D

We have had a wine cask bladder rub thru on very rough roads but only once...still once can be enough :(

Dan Murphy stock 10l Browns Brothers Dry Red casks - pretty reasonable quality. ;)

[vnx205]

Ahhh....thats why I haven't seen them. We don't have Dan Murphy local to us ;)
I don't drink red but Numpty likes it...and likes Brown Bros

BUT...10 litres is a lot to have sloshing around if the bladder does spring a leak :eek:
... and a lot to have to drink at once if you don't want to see it go to waste.:p

[Tombie]

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[29dinosaur]

Distinguished Colleagues,

In 8 weeks Mrs Scallops and I will embark on our around Oz trip in our new Defender. Now - I don't drink :p - but Mrs Scallops loves her red wine. I was thinking of buying a few 10l Browns Brothers casks - reasonable quality and enough to keep Kat going for a few weeks at least ;) - but - I wondered if anyone has had the experience of wine bladders rubbing and rupturing - especially on long corrugated sections of road.

We are going to very remote and tough tracks (Old Gunbarrel, Kimberleys, Nathan River road, Chambers Pillar etc) and I don't want a sea of wine throughout Grover. What do you think?


There's always plenty of dead roos and other vermin along the roads of Australia. I'd suggest fill their bladders up with whatever and take it along with you. They're easily replaceable. Problem is at moment we're trying to dry the blackfellas up so there;s a shortage of grog in the dead centre at the moment.

[abaddonxi]

Ahhh....thats why I haven't seen them. We don't have Dan Murphy local to us ;)
I don't drink red but Numpty likes it...and likes Brown Bros

BUT...10 litres is a lot to have sloshing around if the bladder does spring a leak :eek:

If he's drunk ten litres at a sitting, bladder control is the least of his worries.

:p

Cheers
Simon

[The ho har's]

Can you buy 10l casks? PLease tell me where :D

We have had a wine cask bladder rub thru on very rough roads but only once...still once can be enough :(



Liqourland stocks them as well


mrs ho har

[aloa9061]

View store item - The Drunken Goat (http://www.thedrunkengoat.com.au/'stg=403&view=403)

Solution - bolt to storage system!!!!!

We normally only use cask for emergencies!

We just use the std wine box with cardboard in between the bottles or for spirits we have used the foam bottle wraps you get in duty free!

In the dry areas get your bottles and store them in your wrapped up swags! Protects the bottles!

North of the Jardine in cape york we burried all our booze and marked it on the GPS.

[JamesH]

I always take a case of wine up north and I've been up and down the dreaded Mitchell Plateau road prior to grading and never had any trouble with the standard arrangement of the cardboard dividers.

I don't want to be inflammatory and I acknowledge the comments here but Ive never had trouble with taking alcohol through communities. We generally have only passed through, maybe stopped for fuel and that's it. All alcohol supplies were discretely hidden and we went on our way.

The only time we had to have a dry night was at the caravan park at Giles. It was well signposted.

Pouring my wine on the ground because I need to drive from one point through my own country to another point is not an aceptable option. I'll happily to my best to support the spirit of the laws and respect those who established them.

[Bigbjorn]

Those bladder in cardboard box type containers must survive on rough going as the aboriginal communities were just about paved with the empties and some of those communities are a long travel on bad roads from the liquor store. There must have been thousands of empties littering the roads and communities in 96-97 when I was on a locate and identify project in Mt. Isa region for DSS. Regional slang in North and West Qld for a wine cask is "a gin's handbag".

As well as 4, 5, and 10 litre casks, you can get 20 litre ones. Caterer's packs I think they are called. Size of a small suitcase or school port.

[Chucaro]

I transfer the wine into the 2 litres apple juice bottles and store the wine in a broccoly foam boxes that you can get them from the local vegy shop.
Perhaps if you use the black currant bottles with the label in not many people realize that it is wine inside ;)
The box keep the wine very cool as long as you do not place the box on the floor of the Defe ;)
Try the Morris red wine is a beauty?

Cheers :twobeers: :D

[Bushie]

Sorry...off topic but this is killing the curiosity in me.

You have 'dry communities' in Australia? I thought the nation was founded on booze as a center focal point!
I lived in Saudi Arabia for ten years...alcohol is banned and fines are severe. But Australia for gods sake!

Can you explain how you know where the dry areas are? Would it be possible to drive through one by mistake or is it well advertised that booze is forbidden? We have a dry Emirate call "Sahrjah"..but everyone just knows it's a dry place because we simply just know.
Sorry for diverting....

Regards.

S.


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Martyn

[harry]

Since this thread started we have now had 2 trips where wine cask bladders wore thru and leaked :(

The ones (2 leaked, luckily a mate had a couple of empty 3l juice bottles on hand) on the Madigan Line trip I can understand....but one went on our drive to Corowa recently....no rough roads encountered there :(

I reckon the plastic must be thinner these days

arr, you silly shiela, you just don't drink quick enough.

[Bush65]

I like a glass of wine at the end of the day's trip. But I try to avoid containers that can't be disposed of in the fire when they are empty - this particularly applies to glass bottles.

So I take cask wine, but have experienced the dreaded leaking bladder on unopened casks. Next long trip, I might investigate ways to pad the bladder to avoid rubbing through.

[Bushie]

We usually have the ritual burning (of rubbish) at the end of the day before bed :)

At least it's not choc logs any more :o:o


Martyn

[The ho har's]

At least it's not choc logs any more :o:o


Martyn




HHHMMM..............

you are her brother so you should know.....I am not sure I want to:(



Mrs ho har:angel:

[Bushie]

HHHMMM..............

you are her brother so you should know.....I am not sure I want to:(



Mrs ho har:angel:


Think camping with VERY young kids :):)

Martyn

[JamesH]

I like a glass of wine at the end of the day's trip. But I try to avoid containers that can't be disposed of in the fire when they are empty - this particularly applies to glass bottles.

So I take cask wine, but have experienced the dreaded leaking bladder on unopened casks. Next long trip, I might investigate ways to pad the bladder to avoid rubbing through.

If you have a case of your favourite then the empty goes where it went when it was full and can be disposed of when you get to the next town. I have not ever lost a bottle of wine due to breakage on rough roads.

Excuse the snobbery but cask stuff does not do it for me and while could drink it I've never seen the need to deviate from wine bottles, spirit bottles and beer bottles.

[PhilipA]

Ah, my SWMBO loves her Marlborough cleanskins so I have to take a bloody cellar when we go away.
I have a nylon 20litre crate on the floor after removing the back seat and pack the wine on its side separated by newspaper wrap. I squeeze in some Coopers for me. No breakages on the last trip to NT via Savannah Way.
BTW you can now also get 1 litre aseptic cardboard "casks".

The grog restrictions are a pain. I even rang the cop at Borraloola after many minutes on the phone with the AANT. He said that it was OK there but he didn't know about further North.

When we went into Litchfield from the North we came up on the dreaded sign and didn't know what to do. Thought bugger it and drove on, turned the corner into Litchfield and there is the sign "You are now leaving Blah Blah" . What a crock unless you know the area.
Regards Philip A

[Spenboyd]

If you are entering into the Western Third of the wide brown land be aware that licensees will not even be able to sell cask wine ar any alcohol in individual containers greater than 1 litre above the 20th paralel south and the fines for sly grogging have been doubled to $20,000 and the vehicle used to commit the offence is confiscated.

You can buy one litre casks and bottles and it is always a good idea to use closed cell foam and bubble wrap to avoid corrugation calamities.

[C H T]

FWIW we buy good quality wine and in bottles and pack it carefully in the load or in our "stores" boxes - we have not lost a drop in years of bush travel. Just make sure there is no glass to glass contact. Land Rover coil suspension works a treat - eggs don't even break on the roughest roads.

CHT

[Desert Traveller]

See my avatar. The D3 was carrying 4 cases of wine (and other supplies) and crystal glasses at the time. Nothing broken.
Nothing beats opening a good bottle red at night around the camp fire after a hard day (drinking cold beer).

[cucinadio]

Distinguished Colleagues,

In 8 weeks Mrs Scallops and I will embark on our around Oz trip in our new Defender. Now - I don't drink :p - but Mrs Scallops loves her red wine. I was thinking of buying a few 10l Browns Brothers casks - reasonable quality and enough to keep Kat going for a few weeks at least ;) - but - I wondered if anyone has had the experience of wine bladders rubbing and rupturing - especially on long corrugated sections of road.

We are going to very remote and tough tracks (Old Gunbarrel, Kimberleys, Nathan River road, Chambers Pillar etc) and I don't want a sea of wine throughout Grover. What do you think?


dont know if it been said but take a look at this

YouTube - A great quick pasta in Outback Australia

cheers

[The ho har's]

Some great idea there....

not sure they'd suit our style of travel tho

and I couldn't imagine what a pain untaping/taping containers every day would be ;)

The pasta looked good...KISS...just how I like it :D

I couldn't cook that how on earth will I fit that bloody big wok in the cupboard:p



Mrs ho har:angel:

[The ho har's]

Tow a bloody big trailer full of food and cooking stuff like he does ;):D:D


know where you are comming from there;):D


Mrs ho har:angel:

[Chenz]

Can you buy 10l casks? PLease tell me where :D

We have had a wine cask bladder rub thru on very rough roads but only once...still once can be enough :(

That just meant that you, Numpty and Norm had to drink that cask of Shearer's Cabinet more quickly - problem? I think not

[The ho har's]

That just meant that you, Numpty and Norm had to drink that cask of Shearer's Cabinet more quickly - problem? I think not


Yeah...and finding empty plastic bottles to fit 10l might just be harder than to fit 4 l :D That could be one hell of a drinking session :twisted:



can I come too.....sounds like fun:D

in the desert somewhere drinking with friends:D


Mrs ho har:angel:

[cucinadio]

Tow a bloody big trailer full of food and cooking stuff like he does ;):D:D


give me trailer like that, and id be in heven.....:D


cheers

[The ho har's]

give me trailer like that, and id be in heven.....:D


cheers

yeeh...but you are a chef....and thats what you guys do:):D

Mrs ho har:angel:

[Scallops]

Well - just to revisit the topic - I've perfected the way to not spill any wine when driving in the outback - give up drinking. :(

[cucinadio]

yeeh...but you are a chef....and thats what you guys do:):D

Mrs ho har:angel:


still a good idea though ....l spent 18 weeks on the catering team cooking for the making of he movie bitch black from copper peddy to the GC and we didn't even think of that, idea so i thought it was very simple and obvious ...but cleaver.....

cheers

[The ho har's]

still a good idea though ....l spent 18 weeks on the catering team cooking for the making of he movie bitch black from copper peddy to the GC and we didn't even think of that, idea so i thought it was very simple and obvious ...but cleaver.....

cheers


if you are taking a cleaver.....I'm not coming!! :eek:


yeh he is coming away with us next weekend should we be scared:eek::p:wasntme:



Mrs ho har:angel:

[big guy]

I had bottles and casks break when heading up the birdsville track.

I say support the local communities by purchasing a you go.

Wine hates temp variations as it is and really, life is just too short to dring casks is it not?

[Rob Bruce]

Just got two bottles of Wolf Blass in plastic PET bottles, they have done this as PET is more enviromently frendley to recycle, but these bottles would be good for trips as they are very strong. Will see what they have put in them this weekend and report. Dont think these bottles are intended for ageing wine.
Also the airlines use the miniture PET wine bottles.
By the way they look just like a glass bottle until you touch them.

Cheers
Rob

PS. Hope its good wine :)