Respect for our Fallen

[hodgo]

This is respect! Have not seen anything like this, for our Service men & Woman who have fallen in Battle on their return to this country

[HAK]

yeah alls good but the ending I cant stand country even like ours that stop doing there thing with no one asking of them to do so then place the blame on that very race culture and religion

Xmas year before last happy holidays rather then marry xmas, you know people get some balls about you and say what you mean and celebrate what you want

or morons that believe the crap about war on terror

sorry it gets up my nose yes I'm Muslim I eat pork I root at least one a week a drink grog married a good Anglo girl and believe or not she isn't converted

THERE I'm glad thats of my chest whats next

[Treads]

Thanks Hogdo

That is an awesome powerpoint!

Wish every country was like that

Cheers

[HAK]

:(Sorry I should say the same but what we should wish for is that country dont go to war so our sons of our nation dont fall and the world stands together united not ripping in to each other for oil nation stopping to salute a dead doesnt stop a mother or father morning :(

[Redback]

Very patriotic the Canadians and that is an amazing display of it.

Hak, i don't think that the message at the end is a racist statement, just a statement about having respect for a solder.

A solder should not be made to feel bad about wearing his or her uniform, and making a solder remove his uniform because it may offend is just disrespectful towards that solder whether they be Christian or Muslim.

Baz.

[p38arover]

A solder should not be made to feel bad about wearing his or her uniform, and making a solder remove his uniform because it may offend is just disrespectful towards that solder whether they be Christian or Muslim.

Absolutely, Baz.

If I was a soldier, I wouldn't remove my uniform to avoid offending anyone. (BTW, is that Bairmingham in the UK or in Alabama, USA?)

I'd like to see the same parade and show of respect for our fallen soldiers. Our state govts. wouldn't allow it.

[cartm58]

Birmingham Hospital is in UK there was an incident reported in UK papers about soldiers being treated for injuries tor emove military uniform so as to to offend muslim staff etc as UK has closed down its specialist military hospitals as part of MOD defence cutting cost exercise.

As for treating fallen soldiers with respect l think the funerals for recent deceased Australian soldiers on tour overseas where PM and leader Opposittion fronted were signs of adequate National respect.

[ScrubPleb]

Absolutely, Baz.

I'd like to see the same parade and show of respect for our fallen soldiers. Our state govts. wouldn't allow it.

The Queensland government closed off part of the CBD for three hours. Members of the public lined the street to show their respects.
Street closure for Trooper Pearce's funeral (http://www.police.qld.gov.au/News+and+Alerts/Media+Releases/2007/10/Trooper+Pearce+funeral.htm)
"The Queensland Parliament observed a minute's silence..... Premier Anna Bligh paid tribute to the Brisbane-based soldier."
Funeral held for digger killed in Afghanistan - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/10/17/2061761.htm)
A military funeral is a time to show respect for, and to thank a member of our armed forces who died doing his duty for our country. It is not a time for flag waving jingoism, or an opportunity to show how patriotic one is.

[p38arover]

It is not a time for flag waving jingoism, or an opportunity to show how patriotic one is.
I may have misunderstood this. Is that your view of the Canadian effort?

[HAK]

Very patriotic the Canadians and that is an amazing display of it.

Hak, i don't think that the message at the end is a racist statement, just a statement about having respect for a solder.

A solder should not be made to feel bad about wearing his or her uniform, and making a solder remove his uniform because it may offend is just disrespectful towards that solder whether they be Christian or Muslim.

Baz.

no do I understand Baz, but what you have to ask has a Muslim requested that a soldier remove his uniform ever. I doubt it same thing with our Xmas I’m not a devoted Muslim by any standards and I hate religion period but that’s how hate and racism starts I don’t mean by what hodgo posted I’m sure his not racist and I know he means respect for our soldiers I agree, but believe that’s how it all starts when a majority makes exceptions on there own to a minority then majority hate the minority for there choices if that makes since

[HAK]

And I just watched a movie called shooting dogs about the Hutu and Tutsi of Rwanda and their ethnic cleansing genocide and the UN and fact that there a waste of space the movies is a true story said by those who survived by hiding in the sewers and under dead bodies for days

It’s really sad :(:(

While us more fortunate westerners go supposedly over turn a bad but full of oil country is quest for war on terror :mad::mad:

[p38arover]

but what you have to ask has a Muslim requested that a soldier remove his uniform ever.

I suspect that Chronic is right. The Muslims as Birmingham probably didn't complain, it was more than likely a decision made by non-Muslims who think they know what Muslims want - a bit like the "ban Santa and Xmas celebrations" sentiments being seen over here.

[graceysdad]

The Canadians and Yanks certianally like to do it big!

[HAK]

I suspect that Chronic is right. The Muslims as Birmingham probably didn't complain, it was more than likely a decision made by non-Muslims who think they know what Muslims want - a bit like the "ban Santa and Xmas celebrations" sentiments being seen over here.

Yep where on the same wavelength I don’t think race or religion should be of any country it should be citizen ship and that’s all

Black white yellow or green and every one should feel free to celebrate what they want, as they want as long as there is no harm

I hate when I’m told this is a Christian country I think no its not it multicultural country but what is more important is its freedom its beaches forests deserts and the Australian way of G’day Mate. Every day where loosing mate ship and why, why is the question we must ask, its because governments make exceptions for people and races who do not request them and that very race gets hated upon by the majority for the change never requested causing divide

Anyway that the end of my left or right views which every way is what hehehehe

[Bushwanderer]

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I hate when I’m told this is a Christian country I think no its not it multicultural country but what is more important is its freedom its beaches forests deserts and the Australian way of G’day Mate.
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Hi Chronic,
I hate bigotry & hope that you can live a happy life in Oz, free of it.

Best Wishes,

[shorty943]

Yep where on the same wavelength I don’t think race or religion should be of any country it should be citizen ship and that’s all

Black white yellow or green and every one should feel free to celebrate what they want, as they want as long as there is no harm

I hate when I’m told this is a Christian country I think no its not it multicultural country but what is more important is its freedom its beaches forests deserts and the Australian way of G’day Mate. Every day where loosing mate ship and why, why is the question we must ask, its because governments make exceptions for people and races who do not request them and that very race gets hated upon by the majority for the change never requested causing divide

Anyway that the end of my left or right views which every way is what hehehehe


G-day mate. Disabled ex Navy man here.

Personally, it doesn't matter to me. If somebody is hurting somebody else. They must be stopped.

The biggest problem we all face, is the politically correct overly vocal minority.
And our beloved legislators, and their legislated mediocrity.
Don't dare scare them, we all pay for it then.:angel:

[stevo68]

Yep where on the same wavelength I don’t think race or religion should be of any country it should be citizen ship and that’s all

Black white yellow or green and every one should feel free to celebrate what they want, as they want as long as there is no harm

I hate when I’m told this is a Christian country I think no its not it multicultural country but what is more important is its freedom its beaches forests deserts and the Australian way of G’day Mate. Every day where loosing mate ship and why, why is the question we must ask, its because governments make exceptions for people and races who do not request them and that very race gets hated upon by the majority for the change never requested causing divide

Anyway that the end of my left or right views which every way is what heheheheI'd have to disagree and say it is a little naive, considering every country is made up of a race and predominant religion, you may hate being told this is a Christian country...but it is. It is also multicutural and accepting of other religions and races. Take your own religion....how accepting is it of other races and religions back at its roots?

What I don't get and what annoys me is that in my 40 odd yrs on this world of ours, why is it only seems to be the Muslim's we don't want to offend...well our ridiculous PC bureaucrats don't want to offend. What about Greek Orthodox, or Buddhists, or those of Jewish Faith? Part of the G'day mate, fair go etc is born from our culture, a culture born of Christian values.....not due to multiculturalism. It is that culture born that embraces multicultralism..........like many other predominat christian nations. Try embracing that in other parts of the world....not very likely.

Regards

Stevo

[rick130]

G-day mate. <snip>

The biggest problem we all face, is the politically correct overly vocal minority.
And our beloved legislators, and their legislated mediocrity.
Don't dare scare them, we all pay for it then.:angel:

I'd argue the point on that one Shorty.

The groups that scare me the most are the Religious fundamentalists of any denomination.

Actually, the extreme PC brigade and the extremes on either side of the religious/political spectrum are actually the opposite sides of the same coin.
Either is to be avoided at all costs.

[HAK]

I'd have to disagree and say it is a little naive, considering every country is made up of a race and predominant religion, you may hate being told this is a Christian country...but it is. It is also multicutural and accepting of other religions and races. Take your own religion....how accepting is it of other races and religions back at its roots?

What I don't get and what annoys me is that in my 40 odd yrs on this world of ours, why is it only seems to be the Muslim's we don't want to offend...well our ridiculous PC bureaucrats don't want to offend. What about Greek Orthodox, or Buddhists, or those of Jewish Faith? Part of the G'day mate, fair go etc is born from our culture, a culture born of Christian values.....not due to multiculturalism. It is that culture born that embraces multicultralism..........like many other predominat christian nations. Try embracing that in other parts of the world....not very likely.

Regards

Stevo

Hay stevo

the only naive thing in my view is wanting to live in peace with any colour and creed, let me know of one occasion where religion has done any good any where. Take my religion....how accepting is it of other races and religions back at its roots, Islam once was a very accepting religion and was based on scholars now its a total joke it was Christians that where not accepting of the Islam’s faith and feared its growth and nothing has changed now, by the way I’m agnostic

But every race here in Australia has had its turn of racism 40 years ago you where saying you have been on the face of the earth Greeks and Italians had there go 50 60 years ago in Pauline Hansen’s days it where the Vietnamese and today its Islam

Islam would probably would have not been on the scopes it wasn’t for 911

[HAK]

I'd argue the point on that one Shorty.

The groups that scare me the most are the Religious fundamentalists of any denomination.

Actually, the extreme PC brigade and the extremes on either side of the religious/political spectrum are actually the opposite sides of the same coin.
Either is to be avoided at all costs.

well said

[HAK]

Make this a better place for you and for me and the intire race there are childern dieing dah da dah da or how ever it go's :D:D

[stevo68]

sorry it gets up my nose yes I'm Muslim I eat pork I root at least one a week a drink grog married a good Anglo girl and believe or not she isn't converted


he only naive thing in my view is wanting to live in peace with any colour and creed, let me know of one occasion where religion has done any good any where. Take my religion....how accepting is it of other races and religions back at its roots, Islam once was a very accepting religion and was based on scholars now its a total joke it was Christians that where not accepting of the Islam’s faith and feared its growth and nothing has changed now, by the way I’m agnostic Im not going to get into a religious debate as they tend to get way to emotional :), however am confused by your remarks that I have bolded. Agnostic by definition is "Someone who claims that they do not know or are unable to know whether God exists."

Also I don't disagree that there have been racist elements in our culture over many many years, my old man being a pom copped in the late 50's early 60's, but we have not had to alter or change our culture because of it.......until in recent years.

Regards

Stevo

[cucinadio]

well I'm going to put my two sense in!!, if it offends sorry but its the way it is, in my reality!!;)

" religion is the root and cause of all war " think about it!! ;)

And if there is any one person that works Anzac day in this country, in my book needs a real reality check :(

cheers

[Treads]

And if there is any one person that works Anzac day in this country, in my book needs a real reality check :(



Unfortunately mate in my line of work someone has to be out there on ANZAC day. I hate it, how nice would it be if even crims took a break on that day :rulez: :coplight:

[cewilson]

And I just watched a movie called shooting dogs about the Hutu and Tutsi of Rwanda and their ethnic cleansing genocide and the UN and fact that there a waste of space the movies is a true story said by those who survived by hiding in the sewers and under dead bodies for days

It’s really sad :(:(

While us more fortunate westerners go supposedly over turn a bad but full of oil country is quest for war on terror :mad::mad:

Please don't take offence if I sound passionate on this comment - I really am!

During that above atrocity - there were members of our ADF there. Do a Google search and have a read of what they had to watch - and then have a look at the orders they were also under. Orders imposed on them - they were quite willing to fight at the time, even though it would've meant their certain death.

The medics and infantry etc that were there regularly risked their lives to save others they did not know. This all happened daily and for quite a long time. The stuff they saw still gives them nightmares to this day. And yes, some of the people that went over there are still in the ADF. Unfortunately the majority are out of the ADF die to the pyschological impact of what they saw.

[p38arover]

And if there is any one person that works Anzac day in this country, in my book needs a real reality check :(

If I or my colleagues don't work Anzac Day, then people can't travel to get to the marches, etc.

[RoverOne]

If I or my colleagues don't work Anzac Day, then people can't travel to get to the marches, etc.

Very true Ron, the essential services are an around the clock job 24/7.

Everyone in Australia can top up with Milk, bread & fuel the day before Anzac day & for that matter, Easter Sunday & Christmas Day, There is no need other than greed for business's period to be open those days in particular.

It's great in the bush the majority of business's close at noon Saturdays & don't open on Sunday, sometimes inconvenient but there is always Monday, we've certainly lost some patience. They would be better closing all weekend opening longer hours weekdays, like two 8 hour shifts, probably get more people into work.

Multi-culturism sucks almost has a fowl word taste to it. :mad::mad::mad:

Religion has nothing to do with multi-culturism. It's religous zealots/lunatics that kill innocent children & women, and these guys should be put to the sword and eliminated, none of this turning the other cheek.:twisted:

[HAK]

Im not going to get into a religious debate as they tend to get way to emotional :), however am confused by your remarks that I have bolded. Agnostic by definition is "Someone who claims that they do not know or are unable to know whether God exists."

Also I don't disagree that there have been racist elements in our culture over many many years, my old man being a pom copped in the late 50's early 60's, but we have not had to alter or change our culture because of it.......until in recent years.

Regards

Stevo


Agnostic exactly some times I believe the cirlce of life before religion some times religion WHO KNOWS :eek:

[HAK]

well I'm going to put my two sense in!!, if it offends sorry but its the way it is, in my reality!!;)

" religion is the root and cause of all war " think about it!! ;)

And if there is any one person that works Anzac day in this country, in my book needs a real reality check :(

cheers

yep agree 100% it use to in history now we just blame it the true reason for war these days is money I reckon

[HAK]

Moral of the story I suppose is that we all should be greatful we live here and be more tollerent of all that does live here even those that take our peice of the world for granted as hard that maybe carry a smile at all other faces and say G'day Mate

thats the beuty of our hobby people that 4wd know the meaning of mate ship and the lending a hand :)

[cucinadio]

Moral of the story I suppose is that we all should be grateful we live here and be more tolerant of all that does live here even those that take our peice of the world for granted as hard that maybe carry a smile at all other faces and say G'day Mate

thats the beuty of our hobby people that 4wd know the meaning of mate ship and the lending a hand :)

VERY TRUE MY FREIND VERY TRUE!!!!!:D


And if there is any one person that works Anzac day in this country, in my book needs a real reality check

And for all the people that work for legitimate and worthwhile cause on anzac day eg; police, ambulance, ect ect! guys thanks for that we do need these services and my respect to you all l suppose my comment was a little blind sighted in all the emotion of it ;)
BUT!!! we certainly shouldn't be profiting for ourselves of the back of the memory of the fallen, shame! shame!

cheers