WINCH ROPE LENGTH for comps

[paul11]

Hello All
can anyone tell me what sort of length of rope is used on winches in comps please ???

thanks paul

[Panda]

As much as you can get on, we'v just mod'd 2 high mounts , extended

winch drum, breathers 6HP motors rear braces should be able to get over

2 hundred meters on do a google for warn high mout mods there are a lot

of very good uk sites

[paul11]

thanks for that what sort of costs do people spend on rope that long ,,must be huge ???

[Panda]

Depends where you get it from, never buy winch rope from 4WD

accessory shops ARB/TJM ect you pay through the nose look in the yellow

pages for rigger supplies half the cost :angel:

[hodgo]

A point to remenber is the more rope you have on a winch drum, the lesser the pulling power on the outer layers, most pulling power is on the fist 1 or 2 layers of rope.
Hodgo

[Panda]

A point to remenber is the more rope you have on a winch drum, the lesser the pulling power on the outer layers, most pulling power is on the fist 1 or 2 layers of rope.
Hodgo



Unless you extend the drum ......that way the layers stay the same but

the extra rope is spaced out on the longer drum....as was suggested

above....:confused:

[rovercare]

2 hundred meters

200' even;) 200m would make for a scary big drum:D

[Bush65]

Modded drums are often made with a smaller diameter, longer drum.

[rovercare]

Modded drums are often made with a smaller diameter, longer drum.

Try fit 200m on one:D

[hodgo]

I have not had a lot of experence with electric winches, but the little that I do have left me with a bad opinion of elect winches. I found when used alot over a short space of time eg 2-3 time in about an hour at full length of rope they over heated and failure was very common fault .
I did some driver training out in the oil fields of south west Qld some years ago useing Toyota Hilux's, and a 6x4 Nissan Patrol all fitted with Warn Winchs , The country was black soil and in the wet season any vehicles boged every easly often requiring 2 or 3 pulls at full lenght of cable to reach firm ground again if the winch lasted that long .
My thoughts are that widening a drum my cause problems if used continuesley over a short time span.
But some would say that I am old fashioned becouse I prefer a pto or hyd powered winch one of the best winchs that I have used is the capstan winch.

Hodgo

[Panda]

Try fit 200m on one:D



easy.....would not be surprised if we dont end up getting over 200m on

ours.


Bush 65... is that a pic of the giggle-pin twin motor set up ??

[rovercare]

easy.....would not be surprised if we dont end up getting over 200m on

ours.


Bush 65... is that a pic of the giggle-pin twin motor set up ??

Very small diameter drum then, and wiiiide, what's the dimensions?

200m@8-9?bucks a metre, that's alot of mulla:eek:

[Bush65]

....Bush 65... is that a pic of the giggle-pin twin motor set up ??
Early giggle pin, 2 motor prototype.

Their current twin motor product has a new cast top housing, with stonger gearing and better bearings, as well as the 2 motor mounting flanges. Also if I remember correctly another gear ratio may be available.

They also have larger capacity drums and drum free spool options.

If you want more info, contact Jim Marsden at giggle pin, or Wayne Smith is their Australian importer.

[Panda]

Very small diameter drum then, and wiiiide, what's the dimensions?

200m@8-9?bucks a metre, that's alot of mulla:eek:



Not really without finding the specs again or going up the shed an measuring the thing the drum width is reduced by about 15% and length is increased by about 250mm fits nice between the rails on a clasic rangie few mods to the bar and away you go...

if you dont mind me asking where do you get your cable from @ 8-9 bucks a meter....



Early giggle pin, 2 motor prototype.

Their current twin motor product has a new cast top housing, with stonger gearing and better bearings, as well as the 2 motor mounting flanges. Also if I remember correctly another gear ratio may be available.

They also have larger capacity drums and drum free spool options.

If you want more info, contact Jim Marsden at giggle pin, or Wayne Smith is their Australian importer.


Thought it was thats were we got the idia to do ours from were gonna see how she pulls with the single 6HP on and depending on performance we'll go the twin houesing from them....have you got any contact # for Wayne Smith ?

[DaveS3]

Standard highmount useable about 41-44m

Comp highmount 50+m

I would like about 50 to 55m (useable)

[tony]

Standard highmount useable about 41-44m

Comp highmount 50+m

I would like about 50 to 55m (useable)


Dave on my standered high mount i had about 56 m on it, just paaced it

out in the back yard so even when you take off the first wrap its gotta be

around the 50m mark on standered drum....

[Bush65]

...Thought it was thats were we got the idia to do ours from were gonna see how she pulls with the single 6HP on and depending on performance we'll go the twin houesing from them....have you got any contact # for Wayne Smith ?
Sorry, I don't have a contact number for Wayne Smith.

Here is a link to the current gigglepin 2 motor conversion Gigglepin 4X4 (http://www.gigglepin4x4.net/8274/twinmotor.htm)

[tony]

Sorry, I don't have a contact number for Wayne Smith.

Here is a link to the current gigglepin 2 motor conversion Gigglepin 4X4 (http://www.gigglepin4x4.net/8274/twinmotor.htm)


thanks got em in me favs.

[DaveS3]

You can fit it but if you do any winching at angle it bunches at the sides and without brace bars at the back the cable wraps around the housing.

You just end up with a giant birds nest :D

Dave.

[rovercare]

You can fit it but if you do any winching at angle it bunches at the sides and without brace bars at the back the cable wraps around the housing.

You just end up with a giant birds nest :D

Dave.

^^^^:)

[Panda]

As much as you can get on, we'v just mod'd 2 high mounts , extended

winch drum, breathers 6HP motors rear braces should be able to get over

2 hundred meters on do a google for warn high mout mods there are a lot

of very good uk sites



You can fit it but if you do any winching at angle it bunches at the sides and without brace bars at the back the cable wraps around the housing.

You just end up with a giant birds nest :D

Dave.


Dave even with a standered drum length any acute angle pulls will bunch

the cable at the side ,one of the beifits of the extra cable is you can run

several pullys (when not in comps) to control your cable direction and

when you are there 99% stright line pulls any way an twin 6's will have

you running to keep up

[DaveS3]

Of course it will bunch up but you get into trouble if you run too much cable for a certain drum diameter and width - all I am saying as that you get yourself into more trouble by running too much cable if you haven't decreased the drum diameter or widened it.

PS 200 meters? Are you serious?

[Aaron IIA]

I have had to do a 50 metre single pull on a WWII Blitz truck stuck to the axle in mud (12.00x20 tyres) and my winch was on the overload clutch. I would have preferred to have had 100 metres and done it double line pull. 200 metres is a luxury that I would love, but can't afford at this stage. Another trick is to go down a size of cable. The tensile rating of the cable is usually far above what the winch is capable of pulling.
Aaron.

[Panda]

PS 200 meters? Are you serious?

No Dave I reckon it will be very close ....Plasama rope is a beautiful thing



I have had to do a 50 metre single pull on a WWII Blitz truck stuck to the axle in mud (12.00x20 tyres) and my winch was on the overload clutch. I would have preferred to have had 100 metres and done it double line pull. 200 metres is a luxury that I would love, but can't afford at this stage. Another trick is to go down a size of cable. The tensile rating of the cable is usually far above what the winch is capable of pulling.
Aaron.


Aaron, while I aggree with cable strength being grater than winch capacity I would never go down a size in steal cable, because of the recovery load could then exceed the cable breaking point rather I would go the plasma rope you can get a hell of a lot more on the drum and its breaking point is much higher than cable...

[101 Ron]

Just reading the above and a lot has to be said for a standard fitting Landrover winch used on the 101 Landy.
It is a Nokken and uses a very narrow drum only a few inches wide and 65 mtrs of 9 mm cable.
As the winch is under the vehicle it is self laying and the drum is only used for storage of the cable as the pulling is done by a three turn capstan which allways has a constant pull regardless of how much cable is out.
I find with mine you can leave the winch running , say winching out and the cable willnot feed out untill you actually pull in the cable and it is a similar story winching in.
This means you can walk out with the cable to the other vehicle or anchor point and the cable will stop feeding out when you get there and will not birds nest.
Being a PTO winch the winching in speeds can be far above any electric winch if you want it to be.
I found these two sites.
Army Forward Control Nokken Winch (http://www.4wdonline.com/Mil/LandRover/FC101/winch.html)
Winches (http://www.pangolin4x4.com/pangolin4x4/reference/lib/winches/winches.html)

[Reads90]

i used to carry 100 foot (about 33m) on my winch challenge 90 . This was on warn High mounts
Main reason was that you did not really need the max of 150 foot all the time and when you did i used to carry a 25m extention winch strap so that would sort out any problems. I did loads and loads of events where i won or did very well , so never harmed me only having 100 foot

The other problem is more rope/wire you put on the weeker/slower your winch becomes . So i would never put massive and ,massive amouts of rope/wire on a winch. just carrry a winch extention strap

[Reads90]

Sorry, I don't have a contact number for Wayne Smith.

Here is a link to the current gigglepin 2 motor conversion Gigglepin 4X4 (http://www.gigglepin4x4.net/8274/twinmotor.htm)


Give Jim a call he will help you out . really really nioce bloke. Competed with him many times before i came out here to aus. Know his stuff and boy can he drive :)


But i will tell you know that Jim does not run huge and huge amouts of rope on his winch same reason that i don't . He has the twin motors for speed and power, not holding huge amouts of rope

[Reads90]

if you want to Ask Jim a question and don't want to phone him
then go to this forum LR4x4 - The Land Rover Forum (Powered by Invision Power Board) (http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?act=idx)

jim is on there all the time as D90SV
Here is his user page But can't see this unless loged on Board Message (http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php'showuser=412)

But you will be able to talk to him on here as he will tell you what you need to know , as i said he is a really nice chap

[Aaron IIA]

Aaron, while I aggree with cable strength being grater than winch capacity I would never go down a size in steal cable, because of the recovery load could then exceed the cable breaking point rather I would go the plasma rope you can get a hell of a lot more on the drum and its breaking point is much higher than cable...

My wire rope is 7/16" in diameter. What would be an approximate SWL and WLL for this cable?
Aaron.

[Bush65]

if you want to Ask Jim a question and don't want to phone him
then go to this forum LR4x4 - The Land Rover Forum (Powered by Invision Power Board) (http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?act=idx)

jim is on there all the time as D90SV
Here is his user page But can't see this unless loged on Board Message (http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php'showuser=412)

But you will be able to talk to him on here as he will tell you what you need to know , as i said he is a really nice chap
Just to add to that, I found he was away a fair bit during a period when we were discussing a number of matters and he was not able to reply promptly (sometimes about a week). It may just have been a bad time.

[Panda]

if you want to Ask Jim a question and don't want to phone him
then go to this forum LR4x4 - The Land Rover Forum (Powered by Invision Power Board) (http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?act=idx)

jim is on there all the time as D90SV
Here is his user page But can't see this unless loged on Board Message (http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php'showuser=412)

But you will be able to talk to him on here as he will tell you what you need to know , as i said he is a really nice chap


Hi,

I haven't actually spoken to the bloke but I've perused the website a fair bit. That's sort of where I got the motivation to pratt about with the highmounts.

As I said previously, we've reduced the width of the drum and extended the drum length, braces on the back, breather and drain plug hole in the winch gearbox, basically all this was done for the prime reason of getting more rope onto the drum (not for comps). We do a lot of off road stuff by ourselves or just with my son, and there has been an occasion where we have been literally sunk to the floorpan in a river floodplain and nothing to winch off anywhere close. That was interesting. My reasoning for going twin 6 hp motors is simply because I'm an impatient bastard, plus it would be less of a load on the winch and the batteries, because when we get stuck we're normally stuck well.

Tony

[Reads90]

Just to add to that, I found he was away a fair bit during a period when we were discussing a number of matters and he was not able to reply promptly (sometimes about a week). It may just have been a bad time.

yeah he is a pretty active bloke, trys to do every challenge evnt going in europe :)

[sclarke]

OK, so who has widened the Drum of an 8274 and what tube did you use and how did you make sure it was all square? also what diam and length did you use..

Braces, where do i mount them... i can make them, but how did you mount them.

Steve

[DaveS3]

OK, so who has widened the Drum of an 8274 and what tube did you use and how did you make sure it was all square? also what diam and length did you use..

Braces, where do i mount them... i can make them, but how did you mount them.

Steve

Weld the braces on.

I just got mine back from Glen, so I can now have a go.

I'll have a look on the weekend.

Dave

[sclarke]

Weld the braces on.

I just got mine back from Glen, so I can now have a go.

I'll have a look on the weekend.

Dave

But the Endcaps are Alloy?????

[Panda]

But the Endcaps are Alloy?????


You can weld Alloy ???'stick the tags on to bolt the braces to...

[sclarke]

You can weld Alloy ???'stick the tags on to bolt the braces to...

Yes you can, but 99% of the Braces would not be welded on

[Panda]

Yes you can, but 99% of the Braces would not be welded on


Ah well in that case then you could'nt call them braces cuz they would'nt brace a lot if not secured to the drum end caps....

[Xtreme]

i used to carry 100 foot (about 33m) on my winch challenge 90 . This was on warn High mounts
Main reason was that you did not really need the max of 150 foot all the time and when you did i used to carry a 25m extention winch strap so that would sort out any problems. I did loads and loads of events where i won or did very well , so never harmed me only having 100 foot

The other problem is more rope/wire you put on the weeker/slower your winch becomes . So i would never put massive and ,massive amouts of rope/wire on a winch. just carrry a winch extention strap

Spot on.

Also, no matter how much to manage to get on your modded winch drum you will still caome up about a meter short of the anchor point - It's called Murphy's Law!
Carry a few winch extension straps and save the hassle of all the mods.

[Bush65]

Yes you can, but 99% of the Braces would not be welded on
From my observations , I would guess around 99% are welded on - or more correctly the lugs for the tie rods are welded to the end housings.

IMHO, the most important advantage of the braces is keeping the end housings aligned. Otherwise, under heavy winching the end housings pull out of alignment and increase the friction from the bearings.

I can take some pics of mine if you like.

[sclarke]

From my observations , I would guess around 99% are welded on - or more correctly the lugs for the tie rods are welded to the end housings.

IMHO, the most important advantage of the braces is keeping the end housings aligned. Otherwise, under heavy winching the end housings pull out of alignment and increase the friction from the bearings.

I can take some pics of mine if you like.

Please do....
I might have a cunning plan to make a rear brace....