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rick130
20th April 2008, 01:01 PM
I've read Dave Ashcrofts description of the differences between the 'J' and 'L' 'boxes,



Ashcroft Transmissions (http://www.ashcroft-transmissions.co.uk/part_2.html#pa1)
R 380 Development
The R 380 was introduced in 1994 with the suffix J which was a significant improvement on the LT 77 it supercedes, differences included a steel oil pump (as opposed to the LT 77 fibre one), an additional 2 support bearings were used on the layshaft and the mainshaft, wider gears, bigger diameter syncro rings, syncromesh on reverse and a longer mainshaft spline.
This suffix J did unfortunately have a couple of design flaws which gave the R 380 some bad press, they were prone to the mainshaft shearing across the oil feed holes, the layshaft also sheared at a stress concentration behind the sandwich plate causing loss of 5th and reverse also early ones still suffered from mainshaft wear until the cross drilled transfer case gears became fitted as standard on the suffix G transfer cases.
In 1999 the suffix K was used very briefly for a few months then came the suffix L that is used currently. The J and L are very different, 2 of the bearings were substantially uprated and pinion and layshaft teeth were widened again, this results in a much stronger unit.



Just wondering what was different in the 'K' 'box, seeing as my very late '98 has one !

PAT303
20th April 2008, 01:50 PM
Where do you find the suffix no.?.Also you mentioned Motul gear 300 oil as a good high temp oil,who do you get it through? Thanks Pat

rick130
20th April 2008, 01:53 PM
It's on the end of the serial # stamped into the box. if you look on the Drivers side there is a boss near the drain plug with it on.

Autobarn sell Motul, but be prepared for sticker shock !!
It makes Redline and Castrol syns look cheap. :eek:
Link International in Brisbane distribute it, but you didn't hear that from me :D

PAT303
20th April 2008, 02:16 PM
Mine a ''J''.Can't complain,I haven't touched it in 400K!. Pat

Bush65
20th April 2008, 10:45 PM
Sorry can't help Rick. The R380 that was behind the 300Tdi in my rangie is a suffix K (soon to be Isuzu). I haven't checked what is in the disco.

I assume the suffix K fixed the stress raiser problems of the suffix J

rick130
20th April 2008, 10:55 PM
Thanks John, I've posted the Q on LR4x4 too, hoping Dave sees it.

ashtrans
22nd April 2008, 05:35 AM
Hi,

as per the web site there are lots of differences between the J and the K/L but virtually nothing between the K and the L, same bearings, same gears, same baulk rings, slight dimentional difference on the layshaft but no strength implications,

we treat the K and the L as the same thing,

Dave

rick130
22nd April 2008, 07:25 AM
thanks again Dave. :thumbsup:

PAT303
22nd April 2008, 10:00 AM
Dave what do you run in your R380's oil or ATF?I have been thinking about running a thread to see what people run and how long they last and problems they have to find out if there is a difference in it.From what I have gathered ATF seems to give longer life. Pat

rick130
22nd April 2008, 12:22 PM
Dave what do you run in your R380's oil or ATF?I have been thinking about running a thread to see what people run and how long they last and problems they have to find out if there is a difference in it.From what I have gathered ATF seems to give longer life. Pat

from their FAQ

What oil should I use in my R380 gearbox? We recommend MTF94 in your R380 box.



Ashcroft Transmissions (http://www.ashcroft-transmissions.co.uk/faq_part_2.html#a14)

:p

PAT303
22nd April 2008, 01:52 PM
Who makes MTF94? I have found no reference to it anywhere. Pat

isuzurover
22nd April 2008, 03:02 PM
Caltex / Texaco

rick130
22nd April 2008, 07:45 PM
Who makes MTF94? I have found no reference to it anywhere. Pat

It's been mentioned almost every time someone talks about manual trans fluids.
It's been the factory fill in the R380 since '97 and was developed by Texaco in the UK for Land Rover/MG.
Basic specs/comparison chart is here Low Viscosity Manual Transmission Lubricants (http://members.shaw.ca/jbarge/MTF.htm)