Holdon 202 - What else fits

[Chilly]

Hi,

I have a series 3 with a Holdon 202 engine.

I was wondering if anyone knows what newer type engine would fit this conversion plate?

Thinking of playing with a bigger engine just for fun.

Thoughts ladies and gentleman!

[Dinty]

G'day All, Not much except for the engine that it was designed for.
Browse thru some of the conversions that are available from the UK, they have adaptor plates for a wide variety of engines, a bit exxy though!!. Or you could get one made locally but that won't be cheap either cheers Dennis:wasntme:
If you are mech/minded and have a bit a of gear, adaptor plates can be made at home.

[Phoenix]

A blue holden engine is probably the newest engine that you could just slot into place, but that's not much of an upgrade from a regular red engine really. Otherwise you have to go to a different adaptor plate, or take the transmission from something else like a ford auto etc.

[p38arover]

Hi,

I have a series 3 with a Holdon 202 engine.

I was wondering if anyone knows what newer type engine would fit this conversion plate?

Thinking of playing with a bigger engine just for fun.

Thoughts ladies and gentleman!

Hmm, a Series 3 with a Rover V8 and an LT95 gearbox.

Oh, hang on, that's a Stage 1. :p

[Bigbjorn]

The best conversion for a series LR is a Chrysler Hemi 6 265. The cylinder block casting is only 1/4" longer than a red Holden. Suggested modifications are a points distributor from a 215, Rochester Quadrajet on a Redline manifold, CM Valiant split exhaust headers feeding a twin 2 1/4" full length dual system and a pre-emissions controls camshaft or appropriately reground camshaft. They do chew up Series gearboxes though.

Alternatively, you have the Holden in place, so rebuild it and modify it to make it more suitable for the LR service. I have listed the required mods on other threads on this site. Search for 186S headers.

[p38arover]

The best conversion for a series LR is a Chrysler Hemi 6 265.

A mate had one in one of his IIAs. Went like the clappers!

[Bigbjorn]

The best conversion for a series LR is a Chrysler Hemi 6 265. The cylinder block casting is only 1/4" longer than a red Holden. Suggested modidications are a points distributor from a 215, Rochester Quadrajet on a Redline manifold, CM Valiant split exhaust headers feeding a twin 2 1/4" full length dual system and a pre-emissions controls camshaft or appropriately reground camshaft. They do chew up Series gearboxes though.

Alternatively, you have the Holden in place, so rebuild it and modify it to make it more suitable for the LR service. I have listed the required mods on other threads on this site. Search for 186S headers.

See posts nos. 8 & 17 in the thread, what drives/feels better? (Series3 question), for suggested mods to the red Holden

[Rangier Rover]

Stick a 173 or 186 in and you can rev the claw out of them and they seem to put up with it. The 202 dont enjoy constant revs. Also change high range Ratios in Transfer will help. The series boxes do cope ok if not belted in 1st gear. The secret is short shift to 2nd and then give it some:twisted:.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Hi,

I have a series 3 with a Holdon 202 engine.


I didn't know that Holdon made engines? I knew that they made aftermarket windshields for the drivers and passengers window, mainly on Holden cars, but never thought they also made replacement engines.

Diana :angel:

[Rangier Rover]

I didn't know that Holdon made engines? I knew that they made aftermarket windshields for the drivers and passengers window, mainly on Holden cars, but never thought they also made replacement engines.

Diana :angel: Put on an alloy down draft head and add 15 psi, ave gas and Hold... On.(For a wile)

[Bigbjorn]

Stick a 173 or 186 in and you can rev the claw out of them and they seem to put up with it. The 202 dont enjoy constant revs. Also change high range Ratios in Transfer will help. The series boxes do cope ok if not belted in 1st gear. The secret is short shift to 2nd and then give it some:twisted:.

appropriately set-up 202's can rev with the best of them. Remember Toranas with XU1 option ran at Bathurst using 5000-7000 rpm for 500 miles.

You are not building a race engine, but one for a Land Rover. An engine that will comfortably cruise at 4000-4500 rpm and still retain good low speed performance. Improve the breathing a little, and a few durability/relaibility mods and away you go.

[Chilly]

Hi Diana,

Yes the 'NEW' Holdon engine....ha ha. A wee small spelling mistake. Early in the morning......now that reminds me of a Rugby song.....as I was returning from a night shift. Did spot it after posting but hey ho too late.

Some interesting responses.

I have not tried the engine out 'up the road' but was just interesting to see what the forum would suggest. Looking on good old Ebay:)...hmmm sorry Fleabay. I see several different complete engines with looms, computers etc.

unfortunetaly not knowing the engine history here I am viewing blind.

How would one of those great 6.0 litres V8's look in one. I know it is not a great engine for the rest of the drive train but you dont have to drive them at full throttle from the off or even when moving.

Just musing:D

[Rangier Rover]

appropriately set-up 202's can rev with the best of them. Remember Toranas with XU1 option ran at Bathurst using 5000-7000 rpm for 500 miles.

You are not building a race engine, but one for a Land Rover. An engine that will comfortably cruise at 4000-4500 rpm and still retain good low speed performance. Improve the breathing a little, and a few durability/relaibility mods and away you go.A holden six that rev's with good low speed performance. I'd like to see that.;) I personaly don't like them in the Rovers at all but have converted many over the past and the 173 and 186 have proven the most durable out of the box with out mods.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Hi Diana,

Yes the 'NEW' Holdon engine....ha ha. A wee small spelling mistake. Early in the morning. ... :D
Persunalley i ahve nevre maid an spellin mestacke meself! :D

Unfortunately, like our mate Ron, the typos jump off the page at me.

Over a long period of observation and ownership of Holden converted Series Land Rovers, I have not been convinced that the 202 is a better engine than the 186-S. The only noticable difference is that the 202 uses more fuel and requires a manual or purpose ground camshaft to perform as well as the 186 in the Land Rover. A big problem is the reduced coolant capacity and subsequently higher temperatures experienced in the 202. Overheating is by far the biggest problem of Holden engined Land Rovers, followed by oil stavation on steep decents and climbs.


appropriately set-up 202's can rev with the best of them. Remember Toranas with XU1 option ran at Bathurst using 5000-7000 rpm for 500 miles.
Brian

I'm sure that I will be corrected on this, however, weren't the GTR XU-1 Toranas a 186 engine rather than the 202? Holden Torana GTR XU-1 File (http://www.toranagtrxu-1.com/ndx/spec.htm)


Diana

[Bigbjorn]

LC's were 186 (3100X prefix). LJ's were 202 (JP? prefix, I could be wrong with that). As I said, there are modifications required to convert a low speed high torque family car and light commercial engine to a different application. Larger sump and baffles cure the oil supply problem on slopes, high volume oil pump, engine oil cooler, cross drilled and relieved crank to improve lubrication of big ends and piston pins and provide extra oil cooling of pistons, better pistons, Starfire rods ( used in XU1's, Starfire 4cyl. and the blue 12 port engine). If you are getting serious about your engine building get a fully counter-balanced crank from the blue 12 port engine and have a competent crankshaft shop modify it to fit the red engine. Cooling was never a problem in Holdens or Toranas. Probably the LR needs a bigger radiator to cool the additional horses.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Thanks Brian

I do remember the first of the racing XU-1's because I was at high school at the time and was sure I remembered that they were 186's.

I hadn't heard about all the other mods, so that is good info. Regarding the oil starvation, I do remember for Land Rovers we always tried to find the sumps off the Holden HT because the bulge was in the middle instead of at either end. Then we usually fitted an oil cooler to supplement the oil volume as much as cool it down.

C Ya
Diana

[Chilly]

My!

This post has opened a can of information.

An amazing font of knowledge on the Holden...or is that Holdon!!!

What about the larger engines and the good auld Ford?

Any other engines....of the modern kind?

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Chilly

If you fit a modern engine you also have to fit the associated pollution control gear that came along with it.

People have fitted the V6 alloy engines but these days you also have to make your own adapter kit and the cost of that is often worth more than the vehicle you are modifying.

Diana

[Bigbjorn]

Thanks Brian

I do remember the first of the racing XU-1's because I was at high school at the time and was sure I remembered that they were 186's.

I hadn't heard about all the other mods, so that is good info. Regarding the oil starvation, I do remember for Land Rovers we always tried to find the sumps off the Holden HT because the bulge was in the middle instead of at either end. Then we usually fitted an oil cooler to supplement the oil volume as much as cool it down.

C Ya
Diana

How old? Were you in Puberty Blues? Stompin' at Maroubra? Seals Club on a Saturday Night?

[Bigbjorn]

Put on an alloy down draft head and add 15 psi, ave gas and Hold... On.(For a wile)

You have an Irving head? Or know where one is?

[Lotz-A-Landies]

How old? Were you in Puberty Blues? Stompin' at Maroubra? Seals Club on a Saturday Night?Wot a dud movie!

Wot a dud place!

Still isn't any better, a couple of years ago they kicked a 13 year out out because she was paralytic drunk and left her lying in the car park half naked. We got her into the POW Emergency Department some hours later, hypo-thermic and unconscious.

BTW: Puberty Blues was a 1979 Book and 1981 Movie, the Torana GTR XU-1 was a decade before that! :angel: If you wish to know my age I was an RN when the book was published and a DC RN when the movie came out.

[Bigbjorn]

Wot a dud movie!

Wot a dud place!

Still isn't any better, a couple of years ago they kicked a 13 year out out because she was paralytic drunk and left her lying in the car park half naked. We got her into the POW Emergency Department some hours later, hypo-thermic and unconscious.

BTW: Puberty Blues was a 1979 Book and 1981 Movie, the Torana GTR XU-1 was a decade before that! :angel: If you wish to know my age I was an RN when the book was published and a DC RN when the movie came out.

Sounds like you are a young spunkie.

First Torana GTR 82911LC-R with Option XU1 was September 1970. They came in s***ty colours of purple, lime green, pink, etc.

I was a "tin shed" member of the Seals. In the old squash courts. Best pick-up joint in the Eastern Subs. Do people still stand on the footpath outside the Royal at Randwick to drink? Used to be my local. Sunday morning sick parade at the Coogee Surf Life Savers Club for a bbq breakfast with a couple of schooners. Sunday arvo at the Coogee Sports Club, South Sydney Leagues club, or the Randwick Ra Ra's.

Spent four weeks in the POW 1971. Not a good thing. Took 18 months to recover fully. Was told I nearly bundied off the second night. Food was bloody awful. Care was good.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I grew up in Coogee so was living there in 1971 and my mum was working in the labs at POW. My older brother was a member of the Rugger Club but possibly not until '72. The Royal is still pretty crowded and is the main pub of the Hospital's staff even today but not so crowded as it used to be in the 1960s & 70s. Don't have a recollection of the tin shed at the Seals.

I do remember both Colin Bond and that newcomer Peter Brock driving the XU-1s at Bathurst. (Armstrong 500)

What is it 6 degrees of separation?

Diana

[Bigbjorn]

Probably lesser.

I lived in Arden St., Carr St. briefly, Coogee Bay Road, Wolseley Road, Higgs St. during my time there. Owned (partly, the ANZ Bank owned most) the houses in Wolseley Road and Higgs St. I am told the house in Wolseley Road purchased for $14,000 in April 1970 and sold for $19,000 in November 1971 is now worth around $4,000,000.

Sigh!

[Rangier Rover]

You have an Irving head? Or know where one is?
Came across this a few years ago as a hold(on) 186 six in a L C Torana:burnrubber: took the sox off my Turbo charged 202 :eek: in a hill climb. I have it in VHS Vid.

[Panda]

Hi,

I have a series 3 with a Holdon 202 engine.



ummm, A Leyland?:angel:

[Bigbjorn]

Came across this a few years ago as a hold(on) 186 six in a L C Torana:burnrubber: took the sox off my Turbo charged 202 :eek: in a hill climb. I have it in VHS Vid.

Was it Matt Phillip? He had one in a Torana. Matt was apprenticed to Harry Firth and worked for Harry and the Holden Dealer Team for a long time. Phil Irving designed the head. Foundries had a lot of trouble making sound castings. Voids and porosity were the main faults. High reject rate. Dyno Dave Bennett (Yella Terra, Perfectune) took it over and I don't think he did much with it. Foundry technology has improved out of sight in the last thirty years so the jigger may be a possibility today but probably there would be insufficient demand. I don't know how many were made or where they went but I have not seen or heard of one in as long time.

[Rangier Rover]

Was it Matt Phillip? He had one in a Torana. Matt was apprenticed to Harry Firth and worked for Harry and the Holden Dealer Team for a long time. Phil Irving designed the head. Foundries had a lot of trouble making sound castings. Voids and porosity were the main faults. High reject rate. Dyno Dave Bennett (Yella Terra, Perfectune) took it over and I don't think he did much with it. Foundry technology has improved out of sight in the last thirty years so the jigger may be a possibility today but probably there would be insufficient demand. I don't know how many were made or where they went but I have not seen or heard of one in as long time.
I'll try to find the tape and get an image off it. Sorry for tread hijack:angel:

[Jeff]

Back on topic, there are a few Series Land Rovers with Holden v6s. You would need all the electronics but there should be billions of the Buick based engines and bits sitting in wreckers about the world.

I think Marks 4wd Adaptors used to do an adaptor for Series LR, not sure if it was with the Nissan gearbox and the LR transfer box, or a Series box.

Jeff

:rocket:

[Bigbjorn]

Back on topic, there are a few Series Land Rovers with Holden v6s. You would need all the electronics but there should be billions of the Buick based engines and bits sitting in wreckers about the world.

I think Marks 4wd Adaptors used to do an adaptor for Series LR, not sure if it was with the Nissan gearbox and the LR transfer box, or a Series box.

Jeff

:rocket:

Would be an excellent conversion. Buick made them in sizes up to 4.5 litres and turbocharged. They were making 7000 a day at one time. However balance cost of such a conversion against the worth of his series. He already has the Holden in place and it only needs a rebuild and a few appropriate mods.

[Ruski73]

Ha. I used to own a 109 wag with a 161. It was a fabulous engine. But that would be going the other way ...