Diesel prices!

[Slunnie]

Hmmm when I left home 2 weeks ago, diesel in O-town was 166.9/l, though cruising out for a fast fattening dinner tonight due to a blackout (now over thanks!) deiso was a lovely 172.9/l. I'll be on the pushy before long! :(

[dmdigital]

Gee only 22c per litre cheaper than I'm paying...

... so what's the issue:confused:

[ellard]

Hi there

They have us over a barrel (Small punt there) as we have to have it........

Diesel at the Moment at Roxby Downs 1.79 per litre...........I am glad we get it a little cheaper with company fuel cards.....

All the best

Wayne

[Disco_owner]

I Left Sydney going towards south Coast (Sussex Inlet) on 14th and filled up in sydney at $158.9, on the way back on 21st it had gone up to $172.9:mad:not happy Jan , Lucky the Trip is only about 400km or so return, These days I hardly do any trips Simon because of price of Diesel.

[Ace]

its the same here slunnie, 170.9 at the moment, cost me $100 for 60 litres or so. Not happy Jan.

[Slunnie]

Oh well, I guess it doesn't matter how bad it seems, it could be worse.

It'll be interesting to see what we're paying by the end of the year. No doubt it'll be something beyond Roxby downs and close to Arnhem Land!

[simonr23]

i (relatively) lucked out yesterday. all in adelaide the average price was 1.69. my brother and i did a day trip for the border track(see sa section :) ) and needed fuel at tailem bend. the shell there had it at 1.59!!!!!

how sad it is, that i can rejoice at 1.59.

[Disco_owner]

how sad it is, that i can rejoice at 1.59.

It's pretty sad Simon...:D:D:D

[460cixy]

i went to the servo the other day pulled up opend the tank grabed the nozzle looked at the pump and it was 1.75. somthing i just shook my head and hung it up put the cap on and drove off got to the other side of town and it was 1.65.somthing this realy is bull**** i used to not give a **** about the price even with the v8 rangie i dident mush care now i only drive if i realy have to diesel is tooo expencive

[LandyAndy]

Here is an idea for some of you that can wangle a deal with your employer.
I have a mate in the Kimberleys,he has a company fuelcard for use on his personal vehicle.He is responsible for all fuel on the card,he gets it at the company price,not the bowser price,plus he salary sacrifices the fortnightly fuel bill.
I dont really understand salary sacrafice,except it lowers your tax bill.
Worth looking into if its available to you.
Andrew

[cjc_td5]

Paid 168.9c/l in Lithgow over the weekend (minus 3c/l). Things are pretty sad when we think of this as being cheap!!!:eek:

Heard the other day that crude will be topping $200US a barrell in the not too distant future:o, which can only mean one thing for our fuel prices...

IMO, our economy can't sustain these rises in fuel costs. Something has got to give, whether it be at a personal level or the wider economy, we could be in for a rough ride over the next few months/years!!!:(

[2 rocks]

I still fail to understand why a product that requires less capital, effort etc in its manufacture can be more expensive than one which requires more effort, infrastructure or whatever (petrol). Diesel was always cheaper than petrol and you can't tell me the economies of scale aren't better for it (diesel) than they used to be...:mad:
Mike

[stuee]

Doesn't sound very environmentally friendly but it makes burning cheap and plentiful coal to recharge an electric car seem that much better. I used to think the big plus for going hybrid or electric was the green house savings. Now IMO it will become an economic reason and we may see car manufacturers putting a lot more R&D into them.

I cant go out 4wding as much nearly as much anymore as I cant justify the expense. $200.00 of fuel for a weekend is a lot of money for someone at uni :(.

[slug_burner]

The rot started to set in on diesel when the farmers and transport industry got a rebate on the cost of diesel. Prior to that diesel had always been cheaper than the more refined gazoline/petrol. Now people are trying to justify the higher cost of diesel on the higher energy content which people say is evident in the better fuel economy returned by diesel vehicles.

I suspect that we might have a chemist that works for the petroleum industry amongst us. How much crude does it take to make a a litre of diesel vs ULP?

[LSBob]

It was $1.694 at Woolies here the other day, that is before the 4c discount. At Katherine which has the fuel trucked there from Darwin, 300 kms away it is generally 5 cents cheaper. Reason?? there is still an independant seller there.

[EchiDna]

....How much crude does it take to make a a litre of diesel vs ULP?

unfortunately it aint that simple as every crude from every well is different in it's make up, however if you takea generic oil, not something out of the ordinary like Brent, then we are talkin a lot more diesel per barrel than petrol...

however it still isn't that simple, as other products in essence compete against diesel to get made...or for the oil to be re-refined into smaller carbon chains for higher value products (expensive to do though)...

does this affect the Aussie diesel price though? nope, sorry its all bollocks as a fair wack of the Aussie diesel is imported from here in Singapore... where the pump price of diesel is about 65% of the 95 RON petrol price

[p38arover]

does this affect the Aussie diesel price though? nope, sorry its all bollocks as a fair wack of the Aussie diesel is imported from here in Singapore... where the pump price of diesel is about 65% of the 95 RON petrol price

I understand that our prices are based on the Singapore price.



So it's all YOUR fault!

[KiwiSteve]

If you work out the cost per $ for Km's traveled it's still alot cheaper than unleaded in the Economy Stakes.If you enjoy owning a Land Rover.

[edddo]

2 year ago I did a trip to the Cape from Victoria. Average cost of D for the trip was just under 1.50. At that time the price in Wodonga was 1.46....today it is around 1.66. thats 20c in 2 years...I actually thought it had gone up more than that but thats what my log says....thats about 10% so not that bad really for 2 years.

[simonr23]

here in adelaide its gone up more than that sadly :( now its around the 1.68-1.71 mark, and it had been around the wednesday ulp price before that.

[Utemad]

I was stunned today. LPG for 58.9c. Cheapest it's been for months:) Normally between 63.9c and 68.9c around here.

ULP was back down to 135.9c but but diesel still up around 158.9c.

[agrojnr]

$1.70/L here in the west for Diesel

Adam

[tempestv8]

If oil hits $200 a barrel, I'm buying a small diesel hatch, maybe a Golf 2.0 TDi. Forgettabout going offroading or camping in the bush, I'll just have to change my lifestyle. :(

[Ralph1Malph]

In all seriousness, didn't the Govt promise to do something about this?
I guess they have, they have left it go unchecked.
I am truly disappointed, makes me think what else were we lied to about.

ps where in Bris is the 59c LPG?


Ralph

[Ralph1Malph]

If oil hits $200 a barrel, I'm buying a small diesel hatch, maybe a Golf 2.0 TDi. Forgettabout going offroading or camping in the bush, I'll just have to change my lifestyle. :(


Just bought a brand spankers 1.9 Golf TDI. Love it.
On the highway we have had 5.7l / 100, around the burbs 6-7l / 100. Thats a 1000km from a tank (highway)!
The two litre is 20% per grunt but add a litre / litre and half to my numbers above.

We drove from Bne to Marlborough and back to Rocky before refill.

Compliments the Disco just right, economical motoring during week, free's up the cash to feed the disco on weekends.

Do it, test drive one today.
(I do not have any commercial spotters fee arrangement with VW, just remit the spotters fee to me and I'll pass it on:twisted:)

Ralph

[mousie]

LPG in Brisbane is around the Paradise Road down to Browns Plains area. I live on the north which shows 65-68 but was sort of gob smacked when I go to the south side and see these figures. Unfortunately LPG doesn't make it in the news. Any with Rudd cancelling (looks a certain destiny) in the May budget, I was actually going to upgrade and do the LPG again. So there is not cheap deal anymore, each having the advantage. Problem is LPG as we all know is only good on east coast so the travel bug is limited too. Geoff

[Utemad]

ps where in Bris is the 59c LPG?

Shell on the corner of Moss St and Kingston Road Slacks Creek.

[mousie]

Bye the way, salary sacrifice (if your employer allows this) is sort of simple

Just imagine all, and I mean all expences being tax free including loan interest and not paying the GST components. Sounds great eh!

But, the capital outlay of the vehicle is the benefit and subject to FBT so you commence paying the additional tax.

Now the tricky part. The FBT reduces at 15K 25K and 40K limits. So ideally it starts to be cost effective from 25K as only 11% FBT per/year and at 40K only 7% FBT.

Stills sounds good. But wait, if your in the 41.5 tax you get the most benefit and if only 31.5 it reduces the benefit.

So for example you earn under 75K, and do say 20klms then a $20K vehicle is perhaps going to work out about the same.

Also there are many little things like max age of vehicle is 7 years and must be purchased from dealer (keeping the industry going) and trades are not considered in dollar terms.

I hope this gives some a quick insight as I do the above. Any further and I'll sound like an advisor to which I'm not.

Geoff

[303gunner]

I still fail to understand why a product that requires less capital, effort etc in its manufacture can be more expensive than one which requires more effort, infrastructure or whatever (petrol). Diesel was always cheaper than petrol and you can't tell me the economies of scale aren't better for it (diesel) than they used to be...:mad:
Mike
This used to be the case for older-spec diesel fuel, but since we've gone to Low Sulphur Diesel, and now Ultra Low Sulphur Diesel, the refining costs are just as much as Petrol. Have you had a look and smell of diesel fuel lately? Completely different to how it used to be, now smells more like Kero.

[Fusion]

I got diesel today for $1.57.9 here in Colac . ULP was $1.55.9 and gas was 69.9c . Already have the pushbike on layby .

They were saying on the local news tonight that the amount of people on trains and public transport has already gone up by 16% in the last 3 weeks .

[EchiDna]

I understand that our prices are based on the Singapore price.



So it's all YOUR fault!

:D well it is the Singaporean market fault for changes in the terminal price, but as mentioned, the retail price in Singapore for diesel is about 65% of the price of petrol, which is quite close to the Aussie petrol price (over A$1.70/litre for RON 95 here now) ... it's all local Aussie tax and a tiny bit for delivery...

Facts about Diesel Prices (http://www.aip.com.au/pricing/facts/Facts_about_Diesel_Prices.htm)

look at figure 1 - note the MASSIVE gap between the Terminal price in Singapore and the delivered price+taxes+charges in Australia - then look at this one for petrol...
MARKET SNAPSHOT (http://www.aip.com.au/pricing/snapshot.htm)
no difference in the size of the gap attributed to taxes!

so why is the price for diesel so cheap in Singapore? easy... low tax for fleet vehicle owners (All trucks, buses, 95% of taxis are diesel, passenger cars cannot legally be diesel powered).

As others have written, the costs of diesel production have risen dramatically, however the margins have shrunk. Diesel used to be a waste byproduct, it's no longer the case! The refineries are also way more efficient than they used to be, however the 'competition' for remanufacture of the diesel oil into jetfuel, heating oil, plastics feedstock etc cannot be underestimated. roll on the Euro/NA "fall" and watch for the next oil price spike due to stocking up for heating oil...

[Zute]

I sold my v6 petrol Pajero because it ran on premium fuel. Than, diesel was cheaper than standard ULP. Now I have the TD5 D2 and diesel is the dearest. I think someone just trying to S**t me off. :mad:
We're planning a central Oz trip this year. But I'm starting to have misgivings. Fuel prices up, mortgage up. Overtime cut back. :(
Ive herd of some Truckies having they're tanks drained while they sleep. How long before truckies get pulled out of there trucks at gun point just for the thousand odd litres in the tanks ? Or Fourbies ?
"you can keep your jewlery, just gimme ya fuel":twisted:

[Tombie]

Just bought a brand spankers 1.9 Golf TDI. Love it.
On the highway we have had 5.7l / 100, around the burbs 6-7l / 100. Thats a 1000km from a tank (highway)!
The two litre is 20% per grunt but add a litre / litre and half to my numbers above.

We drove from Bne to Marlborough and back to Rocky before refill.

Compliments the Disco just right, economical motoring during week, free's up the cash to feed the disco on weekends.

Do it, test drive one today.
(I do not have any commercial spotters fee arrangement with VW, just remit the spotters fee to me and I'll pass it on:twisted:)

Ralph

OK, I gotta ask here....

How can spending $40k on a new car be a saving????

You lose $5k driving out the driveway....

Then have repayments to make on top of the running costs...

Assuming you keep it a few years.... And servicing is free during warranty (Is it?) then you have monthly payments and depreciation, plus fuel costs.

You spend around $10.00 to travel 100km...I spend $15.00

Even if I travel 3 times as far as you per month I still outlay less cash...

How can that be a saving? Please explain..... Seriously.....

Even a freehold V8 driven the same distance will cost less overall per month than repayments on the car + its fuel cost.

BTW And this is a generalization to all - Fuel is cheap fun... No matter how much it costs, the experience of being in the bush outways the cost.... And means nothing more than another meal at home rather than fast food or restaurant or a pack or 2 less smokes, or one less carton of grog!

[Tombie]

Bye the way, salary sacrifice (if your employer allows this) is sort of simple

Just imagine all, and I mean all expences being tax free including loan interest and not paying the GST components. Sounds great eh!

But, the capital outlay of the vehicle is the benefit and subject to FBT so you commence paying the additional tax.

Now the tricky part. The FBT reduces at 15K 25K and 40K limits. So ideally it starts to be cost effective from 25K as only 11% FBT per/year and at 40K only 7% FBT.

Stills sounds good. But wait, if your in the 41.5 tax you get the most benefit and if only 31.5 it reduces the benefit.

So for example you earn under 75K, and do say 20klms then a $20K vehicle is perhaps going to work out about the same.

Also there are many little things like max age of vehicle is 7 years and must be purchased from dealer (keeping the industry going) and trades are not considered in dollar terms.

I hope this gives some a quick insight as I do the above. Any further and I'll sound like an advisor to which I'm not.

Geoff

And we have had advice at work that the Federal Gubbernutz are looking to remove Novated leasing etc to close the tax loophole....

Apparently in the not too distant future :o

We have a lot of people leasing through work... If the rules change I can imagine a lot of AUDI, BMW, MERC, etc owners getting Commodores and Falcons :cool:

[p38arover]

They were saying on the local news tonight that the amount of people on trains and public transport has already gone up by 16% in the last 3 weeks .

I get free travel on public transport.

I never use it.

I drive.

To come to work by car takes me less than 20 minutes. To come by train (and I work on a railway station) would take me 50 minutes and I'd get to work 20 minutes early - in other words, about 50 minutes longer each way.

[p38arover]

OK, I gotta ask here....

How can spending $40k on a new car be a saving????

You lose $5k driving out the driveway....

Then have repayments to make on top of the running costs...

Yep. That's why I stayed with my P38A and rebuilt the engine. Fuel is the cheapest part of the equation.

When fuel costs rocketed back in the 70's, it was amusing to watch people sell their V8s for peanuts and to buy new 4-cyl cars. They were mesmerised by the cost of fuel at the pump. They didn't look at the whole cost of motoring.

[JDNSW]

Agree with Tombie2 and Ron - I have not worked it out in detail recently, but even using the best possible figures, unless you do a very high mileage, it is very hard to make fuel get anywhere near 50% of costs, and in most cases it is less than 30%.

In almost every case, the biggest (often over 50%) cost is depreciation plus cost of capital (either opportunity cost or borrowing cost), closely followed by insurance and taxes and then maintenance and repairs before you get to fuel!

Because of this the most economical motoring will come from buying second hand and keeping your car for as long as possible - and making a good choice of car. Fuel consumption is a relatively minor cost, and although it looks as if the only way is up, it is difficult to see it getting to be the major cost. Also note that recent interest rate increases have lifted the cost of capital by probably as much as the fuel costs have gone up for a lot of owners.

John

[5teve]

I get free travel on public transport.

I never use it.

I drive.

To come to work by car takes me less than 20 minutes. To come by train (and I work on a railway station) would take me 50 minutes and I'd get to work 20 minutes early - in other words, about 50 minutes longer each way.

mines the reverse :D takes 20 minutes on the train (with a 10 minute walk at the end and a 2 minute drive at the start) and 50 minutes in the car if i leave at 6:10am!

it costs me $3.68 each way on the train, in the car i get 750 ish k's per tank (say 80l usage @ $136 per fill) so thats 18.1c per k and work is about 35k's each way... so that makes the trip $6.33 EACH WAY! deisel is still cheap to run tho.. and i wouldnt sell if it goes up more, not when i have the train and the bike to use.., i'd just cut back on the k's at the weekend.

bugger thats the first time i have worked that out.. :D the train is cheap here!

Thanks

Steve

[ak]

I agree with what Tombie and Ron are saying, however I think that when are car is about due for replacement due to it being about to die ( I'm not just taking about Landrovers here ) most people will look for something smaller and economical in this type of environment. I know you can take public transport but I'd rather have a small run about during the week and have the D2 for weekends. The cost of fuel has not pushed me towards that yet as the D2 is still the daily drive but if fuel gets to 2.00 a litre and it will, the only question is how soon, I might have to go down this path.

[Landy110]

Tombie & Ron are right as is AK.
I looked at the cost of a Prius when they first came out anf ignoring deprciation and maintemance, including the need to replace expensive batteries. You would hav had to do something like 200000k's (from memory) to pay for the extra initial cost of the vehicle.
There is no point downsizing because fuel goes up.
Downsizing because your old ride needs replacing is sensible, although newer vehicles are getting much more fuel efficient so downsizing may not be required.
And I nearly fell over on Anzac day when I filled the fenda from 1/4 and it cost just under $100. OUCH
$1.74/ltr
Steve.

[jik22]

Bye the way, salary sacrifice (if your employer allows this) is sort of simple

Just imagine all, and I mean all expences being tax free including loan interest and not paying the GST components. Sounds great eh!



Yes, when I first came here and my employer offered me that scheme, I thought it was a wind up!

Had to double check with the lease company to make sure I was understanding it right, as having your fuel (Plus servicing, etc.) costs net of GST and taken from your pre-tax salary via the novated lease was unbelievable to me. :)

[Ralph1Malph]

OK, I gotta ask here....

How can spending $40k on a new car be a saving????

You lose $5k driving out the driveway....

Then have repayments to make on top of the running costs...

Assuming you keep it a few years.... And servicing is free during warranty (Is it?) then you have monthly payments and depreciation, plus fuel costs.

You spend around $10.00 to travel 100km...I spend $15.00

Even if I travel 3 times as far as you per month I still outlay less cash...

How can that be a saving? Please explain..... Seriously.....

Even a freehold V8 driven the same distance will cost less overall per month than repayments on the car + its fuel cost.

BTW And this is a generalization to all - Fuel is cheap fun... No matter how much it costs, the experience of being in the bush outways the cost.... And means nothing more than another meal at home rather than fast food or restaurant or a pack or 2 less smokes, or one less carton of grog!


Yep. That's why I stayed with my P38A and rebuilt the engine. Fuel is the cheapest part of the equation.

When fuel costs rocketed back in the 70's, it was amusing to watch people sell their V8s for peanuts and to buy new 4-cyl cars. They were mesmerised by the cost of fuel at the pump. They didn't look at the whole cost of motoring.


Agree with Tombie2 and Ron - I have not worked it out in detail recently, but even using the best possible figures, unless you do a very high mileage, it is very hard to make fuel get anywhere near 50% of costs, and in most cases it is less than 30%.

In almost every case, the biggest (often over 50%) cost is depreciation plus cost of capital (either opportunity cost or borrowing cost), closely followed by insurance and taxes and then maintenance and repairs before you get to fuel!

Because of this the most economical motoring will come from buying second hand and keeping your car for as long as possible - and making a good choice of car. Fuel consumption is a relatively minor cost, and although it looks as if the only way is up, it is difficult to see it getting to be the major cost. Also note that recent interest rate increases have lifted the cost of capital by probably as much as the fuel costs have gone up for a lot of owners.

John

Right-o you people, here's the scoop!

Yes I did the maths, but...

I paid cash (no ongoing repayments)
As someone else said, I bought for the right reason and at the right time for us as we were looking to buy another family car with the intention of owning it for a longish time.

I also view things a little differently than most, I prefer to reduce my instantaneous ongoing costs, perhaps at the expense of longer term value.

This means that I have thrown 40K at a car now (opportunity cost), when I can afford it, at 2008 $value, so that I can motor in the future at $10/100 rather than $15/100. Sounds bizarre but I have 40k now, I may not have the 2010 or 2015 equivalent of $15/100 or the (future) operating costs.
So,
I wholeheartedly agree with the math and what you all said makes sense, but I view the philosophy differently and take that into account.
BTW, thats why I am keeping the LPG disco and adding a fatter tank coz I could never make the maths work if I upgraded to deisal (spell check pls Ron:D).

Cheers

Ralph

[JDNSW]

...........
This means that I have thrown 40K at a car now (opportunity cost), ........

The other way of looking at that $40K is that it is $3200/year at 8% (and you should be able to do even better in the current climate!), or, for 20,000km per year, 16c/km, which at 10l/100km is equivalent to $1.60/litre for fuel.

And to get back on topic - went to town today, $1.719 in Dubbo.

John

[Discopug]

$1.76 here, still cheap. Wait untill its $ 2.00 by the end of the year, that will hurt.
Only way to beat it is to find more more fuel efficiency.
any one know how good the lpg on diesel is?

[p38arover]

BTW, thats why I am keeping the LPG disco and adding a fatter tank coz I could never make the maths work if I upgraded to deisal (spell check pls Ron:D).

I think I'll be upgrading my P38A to a bigger LPG tank - not for cost savings but purely to get more range. 54 litres usable isn't enough.

I'll be selling the diesel ;) Disco 300Tdi shortly. My wife suggested keeping it as my off-road/camper and decking it out but I don't think I can justify the $1000+ per annum to have it sit in the back yard most of the time (which is why I sold the County). I think I might as well put that money and the money from the sale of it into the P38A which is my daily driver.

Yes, I know it's over-capitalising on the P38A but where can I get such a good ride for so little money - and haven't we all put too much money into our 4WDs? I just find it hard to drill holes in it to fit stuff. :D

[dmdigital]

No new shipment of fuel to town, but just heard today the price has risen to $1.969/L for diesel. 12 cent rise in 2 weeks off the same fuel shipment :mad::mad::mad:

[Zute]

We're starting to look at a couple of motor bikes to ride 2&fro to work.

[p38arover]

Buy small bikes.

Big bikes cost a fortune in rego, greenslip, rear tyres, and chains. Fuel economy isn't great either. I usd to get 7 litres/100km out of my Honda CBR1000F - and that was mainly M4/Parramatta Rd Penrith-City.

A rear tyre will cost about $270 and will give maybe 10,000km - that's 1/10th the life a 4WD will give.

Buy a bike for fun. Don't expect to save money.

[Tombie]

Buy small bikes.

Big bikes cost a fortune in rego, greenslip, rear tyres, and chains. Fuel economy isn't great either. I usd to get 7 litres/100km out of my Honda CBR1000F - and that was mainly M4/Parramatta Rd Penrith-City.

A rear tyre will cost about $270 and will give maybe 10,000km - that's 1/10th the life a 4WD will give.

Buy a bike for fun. Don't expect to save money.

10,000kms... I wish :p

Try 2500km tops on the M109R, but then, I dont have any "chicken strips" on my tyre either :cool:

But your right, mine uses 14litres for 220km tops.... But thats having fun..
Longer runs with smooth throttle give me 300+ from a 17L tank

[Redback]

What gets up my nose is, if petrol can come down, why can't diesel:twisted:

[waynep]

And we have had advice at work that the Federal Gubbernutz are looking to remove Novated leasing etc to close the tax loophole....

Apparently in the not too distant future :o

We have a lot of people leasing through work... If the rules change I can imagine a lot of AUDI, BMW, MERC, etc owners getting Commodores and Falcons :cool:

There's growing pressure on the Govt to look at how the FBT tax is related to km. ( currently, the more kms you do per year, the lower your FBT tax rate )
There's thinking in some circles it should be the other way round given the emphasis on reducing greenhouse gases, conserving worlds resources blah blah blah ....
You have this ridiculous situation of people going on long trips close to 30 June for no real reason, just so they click over into a lower tax rate.
I think the basic concept of novated leases and salary sacrifice will remain. ( but who knows )


As for diesel prices, if all diesel owners took a few minutes to write to the ACCC, your local media, and motoring organisations, it may get some more visibility.

Easy to have moan on here but how serious are you about doing something about it ?
I don't think the peeps that have the power to make a difference read this forum,

[Slunnie]

There's growing pressure on the Govt to look at how the FBT tax is related to km. ( currently, the more kms you do per year, the lower your FBT tax rate )
There's thinking in some circles it should be the other way round given the emphasis on reducing greenhouse gases, conserving worlds resources blah blah blah ....
You have this ridiculous situation of people going on long trips close to 30 June for no real reason, just so they click over into a lower tax rate.
I think the basic concept of novated leases and salary sacrifice will remain. ( but who knows )


As for diesel prices, if all diesel owners took a few minutes to write to the ACCC, your local media, and motoring organisations, it may get some more visibility.

Easy to have moan on here but how serious are you about doing something about it ?
I don't think the peeps that have the power to make a difference read this forum,
Thats a shame. Sydney return is 500km for me, and I love putting km's on these cars instead of my own. :D

[dmdigital]

There's growing pressure on the Govt to look at how the FBT tax is related to km. ( currently, the more kms you do per year, the lower your FBT tax rate )
There's thinking in some circles it should be the other way round given the emphasis on reducing greenhouse gases, conserving worlds resources blah blah blah ....
You have this ridiculous situation of people going on long trips close to 30 June for no real reason, just so they click over into a lower tax rate.
I think the basic concept of novated leases and salary sacrifice will remain. ( but who knows )

That would be good, I only do about 8,000km a year. Although I'm going to do more than that in one month later this year.

[beforethevision]

I did Melbourne to Brisbane recently in a friends new Civic, and was amazed at the fuel usage! It runs on standard unleaded, and sitting at 110km/h (@2200RPM) it was using just over 5L/100kms. It cost a total of 3 tanks for the whole trip, including running around sydney.

With all this diesel hype, the new petrol engines can be very good too.

Cheers!

[roverrescue]

What I dont understand is how fuel economy hasnt got even better still. 5L/100 is awesome but my wifes 1991 1.6L carbie fed corrolla with 325,000km on gets 6.7L/100 round town... surely with all the development and gizmos available we should be getting half that amount 17 years on?????

s

[JohnE]

Went down to sydney last week, fueled up in casino, got down there using just over a quarter of a tank as per the gauge.( 150 ltr long range tank) drove around for a few days visiting and the like. then decided to take no 1 son to canberra. to see the AWM.
Thought hell the diesel prices were a bit stiff, so drove around the corner from my parents place at matraville to see a 7/11 ( bunnerong rd, near franklin st) with diesel at 151.9, so i popped in a filled up, 93 litres for 920 km of driving not bad. Went to canberra and back the next day and decided to go back and see if the price was up , nope it was still the same, so put in 53 litres for 520 odd km of driving. Quizzed the bloke at teh consol about the price he reckoned it was the price he was told to put up and that it was old stock. I don;t know what old stock diesel is but it worked fine,
the disco still returns a good mileage, nearly as good as the pajero i had.
I still can;t work this pricing thing out,
perhaps the experts can explain ,
when the oil companies buy oil for refining do they pay for it, or is it on loan until it is sold to the consumer. This daily up and down pricing doesn;t make sense to me. They either buy it at one price or they don;t.

They talk about the supply and demand for oil and that dicatates the price, i think I read there is a low supply and a high demand. Is it being artificially inflated to satisfy the oil nations?

When i was working over in the desert country that is floating on oil, they recalculated the reserves and the estimate, from memory is triple what they originally calculated. But there is less oil being pumped and moved out of the country then when sadams regime was in power. A plot or plan ??? any thoughts?

john

[Captain_Rightfoot]

What I dont understand is how fuel economy hasnt got even better still. 5L/100 is awesome but my wifes 1991 1.6L carbie fed corrolla with 325,000km on gets 6.7L/100 round town... surely with all the development and gizmos available we should be getting half that amount 17 years on?????

s
If you would be prepared to buy a car that got no stars in crash testing, and accelerated to 100 in 18 seconds or greater, and could convince about 100 000 other people a year to buy one... that could be easily arranged.

:)

Your family... you choose. :o

Chinese car crash test.. probably equivalent to 1991 corolla.

YouTube - New Chinese Car Crash Test Disaster - 2007 Brilliance BS6 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F06LjugtIUo)

Audi A3 crash test. Note not even a roof ripple and all doors could be opened normally afterwards. This car averages 30 - 47 mpg and is significantly bigger than a 1991 corolla.

YouTube - Crash Test 2006 - Present Audi A3 Hatchback IIHS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbPXDOwiMac&feature=related)

It's probably better if I don't start on the side impact tests... :eek:

[Slunnie]

What I dont understand is how fuel economy hasnt got even better still. 5L/100 is awesome but my wifes 1991 1.6L carbie fed corrolla with 325,000km on gets 6.7L/100 round town... surely with all the development and gizmos available we should be getting half that amount 17 years on?????

s
The motors do have twice the power though

[defenderkev]

My missus owned a VR V6 Dunnydore....Was getting to the stage it was starting to cost a bit in repairs not to mention fuel....She drives Rowville to Carlton and back everyday and will soon be Narre Warren to Carlton.

We traded it in on a new Kia Rio.....what an awesome little car with all the bells and whistles....35 litres=530klms city driving...the commodore used twice the amount of fuel plus more!

We recently drove from Pakenham to Cann River and it used 23 litres.
We rarely take the Defender away now and plan our holidays around taking the Kia

[rovercare]

My missus owned a VR V6 Dunnydore....Was getting to the stage it was starting to cost a bit in repairs not to mention fuel....She drives Rowville to Carlton and back everyday and will soon be Narre Warren to Carlton.

We traded it in on a new Kia Rio.....what an awesome little car with all the bells and whistles....35 litres=530klms city driving...the commodore used twice the amount of fuel plus more!

We recently drove from Pakenham to Cann River and it used 23 litres.
We rarely take the Defender away now and plan our holidays around taking the Kia

Give ya 3k for the fenda:D

[roverrescue]

good points indeed Captn Rightfoot... as a town car that rarely hits 80km/h i think the rolla will do just okay for now... We will just make sure to only collide with Audi A3s' that will crumple for the two vehicles ;) Although I totally agree on safety and structure adding kilos and thus negating economy, I find it strange how "powerful" new vehicles have become.

A freaking rav4 hairdressers car now has 200kW is it just me who remembers when a hot commie was only just cracking that figure. Surely all the power available these days leads to greater fuel burn than is really necessary (as opposed to what you think you want).

s

[JDNSW]

The motors do have twice the power though

Yes. Not only that, but the amount of junk the engine has to provide power to has greatly increased - air conditioning of course is the biggest, but more and more powerful lights, power everything, heated everything and so on. Add to that, with the demands for "safety" and comfort the total mass of cars has increased dramatically in the last twenty years - airbags, extra wiring, increased structural strength, stronger seats, side intrusion bars, bigger brakes, much bigger tyres and the wheels to hold them, insulation, mass damping, more glass, more gadgets - and for every bit of mass added, everything else in the structure has to be beefed up to carry the extra mass, adding even more.

To deal with the increased demand on the engine for more power and better economy, it has had to deal with ever tighter emission controls (catalytic converter, more mass) and lower octane rating (unless you go to high octane unleaded). The main tools in managing this have been improved streamlining - and in the last twenty years the average car has reduced its Cx from over 4 to around 3.1, almost as good as Citroen had 53 years ago, and improved engine efficiency, mainly by using boost, mixture and ignition as close to preignition as possible, all computer controlled. Also helps that the efficiency of automatic transmissions has been improved.

Given the constraints, it is surprising that the improvement has been as great as it has been - most of the technical advances have gone into meeting demands for better performance with heavier cars and more parasitic power use.

John

[roverrescue]

PS that chinese crash test is nasty... them be broken legs me think.

In my short 9 years working in trauma hospitals around australia I find it amazing how many MVA are so surviveable with little trauma nowadays, mostly thanks to vehicle safety I imagine. Pretty much, MBA are the only serious road trauma creators up this way... I guess however a hospital by its very nature is self selecting for surviveable accidents... the non surviveable accidents are not presented.

s

[Captain_Rightfoot]

good points indeed Captn Rightfoot... as a town car that rarely hits 80km/h i think the rolla will do just okay for now... We will just make sure to only collide with Audi A3s' that will crumple for the two vehicles ;)
s

Actually mate god forbid if you do have an accident you better hope that you hit an old and soft car not a new strong one. You might want to watch the video below. With the marketplace penetration of newer safer cars you can buy safety for cheap these days...

YouTube - Crash Test Betwen old and new cars.mpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l4YBf2tjag)

[Captain_Rightfoot]

PS that chinese crash test is nasty... them be broken legs me think.

In my short 9 years working in trauma hospitals around australia I find it amazing how many MVA are so surviveable with little trauma nowadays, mostly thanks to vehicle safety I imagine. Pretty much, MBA are the only serious road trauma creators up this way... I guess however a hospital by its very nature is self selecting for surviveable accidents... the non surviveable accidents are not presented.

s

The general public has no idea whatsoever of the dramatic improvement that has occurred in car safety in the last 15 years or so. Cars really are much safer and stronger than ever before. The authorities pat themselves on the back about moderate road tolls and sprout "more cameras more cameras" but it's the car manufacturers that are the unsung hero's that have stopped the road toll rising in proportion with population growth.

Now I promise... enough of the hi-jacking. Just one last video. It's a 81 commodore hitting a barrier at 100kph. It probably isn't of much value to this discussion but it is fun. :)

YouTube - Old school Commodore crashing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caOqD54oxRA)

[Slunnie]

Ouch with the VW!

YouTube - Vw Bus Crash Test (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPpU5azjCB8)

[JDNSW]

..... The authorities pat themselves on the back about moderate road tolls and sprout "more cameras more cameras" but it's the car manufacturers that are the unsung hero's that have stopped the road toll rising in proportion with population growth.
.........

Unfortunately for that theory, the statistics do not support it. As far as I can find out, level of safety features in cars has little if any correlation with either the accident or the injury/death rate for that car. In fact, despite the demonisation of them, four wheel drives with antiquated design and minimal safety features have lower rates of accidents and injury/death than those cars with advanced safety features. There is a better correlation with colour!

While the design features you mention are certainly important, they only come into play when you have an accident. And the accident rate as well as the death and injury rate have come down (in absolute terms - NSW had less road deaths last year than any time since WW2 - but much more dramatically when measured against the number of cars or the number of kilometres).

In my view the improvement is largely due to better roads (believe it or not!) and very gradually, an improvement in attitude to driving - mainly the attitude to drinking and driving. Consider this fact - random breath tests show less than 1% of drivers are over the limit, but 30% of drivers involved in fatal accidents are. This has changed from just over 1% and 50% in the time since random tests were introduced. But this strongly suggests that around 1% of drivers are responsible for 30% of fatal accidents - overwhelming any effect of the safety of the cars they are driving!

As far as roads go, I just have to look at the roads I drive on regularly. Although on the face of it they have not changed, almost all still being two lane sealed or unsealed roads. But over the last fifteen years, a lot of the unsealed ones have been sealed, many of the the ones already sealed have had centre lines marked, resealed with wider and smoother surfaces, a lot of curves improved, a lot of roads with fog lines added, bridges widened (e.g. Mitchell Hwy west of Molong), this sort of thing. Not dramatic, but adding up to a steady, gradual improvement. Even in the eight years I have been using the Lachlan valley way from Molong to Yass, it has vastly improved, although on papaer it looks the same.


John

[roverrescue]

-sorry about this great big hijack all-

first captn rightfoot... some great vids there. In real world how realistsic is a 1/4 head on, both vehicles 56km/h NO braking applied??? If it happens though I guess you want to be in a 5 star!!!! ALso that commie video and VW remind me of footage I saw of a F4E phantom hitting a concrete and steel barrier at mach1... ashes to ashes dust to dust.

Ans in reply to John... I have no figures, just in my experience. 10 years ago someone has a mid speed MVA (60-80km/h zone crash) of varying type, into other vehicle, single vehicle roll/slide collide they were in a world of hurt with major leg and pelvis injuries. So from ED its up to theatre for a bilateral femoral nail and pelvis fixation followed by months of rehab... these days maybe a bit of sternal pain from the seat belt????

As I said though I dont get to see the fatal accidents... but it seems the level of trauma has markedly reduced. The impression i get is a big jump from fatal MVA to essentially walk away... where as 5-10 years ago we saw a great continuum of trauma in more cases????

S

[JDNSW]

-sorry about this great big hijack all-

first captn rightfoot... some great vids there. In real world how realistsic is a 1/4 head on, both vehicles 56km/h NO braking applied??? If it happens though I guess you want to be in a 5 star!!!! ALso that commie video and VW remind me of footage I saw of a F4E phantom hitting a concrete and steel barrier at mach1... ashes to ashes dust to dust.

Ans in reply to John... I have no figures, just in my experience. 10 years ago someone has a mid speed MVA (60-80km/h zone crash) of varying type, into other vehicle, single vehicle roll/slide collide they were in a world of hurt with major leg and pelvis injuries. So from ED its up to theatre for a bilateral femoral nail and pelvis fixation followed by months of rehab... these days maybe a bit of sternal pain from the seat belt????

As I said though I dont get to see the fatal accidents... but it seems the level of trauma has markedly reduced. The impression i get is a big jump from fatal MVA to essentially walk away... where as 5-10 years ago we saw a great continuum of trauma in more cases????

S

I think you well may be right - given that an accident happens, modern vehicle design greatly reduces the injuries suffered, until the accident is so severe as to be unsurvivable (and there may be a larger proportion of these, since even entry level cars these days have performance that twenty years ago was the domain of a few high performance cars), but this effect is masked by the reduction in accidents, for the reasons I mentioned.

Another possible reason for fewer injury accidents may be the fact that in the major metropolitan areas, where most of the driving is done and at the times when most of it is done, speeds have become so low that you really have to try to get hurt, particularly if you are wearing a seat belt, even if you do have an accident. I know I read recently that in the previous ten years, speeds in Melbourne peak hours had halved, and I doubt the picture is very different in any major city.

John

[Captain_Rightfoot]

John, I really do agree with you on alcohol and road design improvements (although there are still massive gains to be made in both areas should there be a will - but both are cost negative).

However I don't agree with you on the safety paying dividends. Cars that are popular and available within Aus have only started to make safety improvements since about 90. The really significant safety improvements have only really started to reach the mainstream since 2000.

All we see each year is a headline figure. The detailed figures lag significantly behind to the point where they wouldn't really show very recent trends, and some aspects of their collection and interpretation methods have gone backwards.

I guess what I'm saying is that it's pervasive but isn't being reported and the car manufacturers are doing it for them. Declining accident rates is consistent with the roll out of ABS and now DSC. There are devices that stop vehicles even getting into the figures - and once a vehicle does there is a much lower chance of it being a fatality (particularly at town speeds).

You can see evidence of this here (http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.NSF/7d12b0f6763c78caca257061001cc588/3C6D1AAD16836ED0CA25723600056D67?opendocument).

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2008/05/638.jpg

[roverrescue]

great graph...
I guess it is sensible that if the fatality rate is declining, the trauma rate would be aswell?

Was driving round Cairns just before and got thinking... I wonder what effect road surfaces and newer tyre compounds have had say in the last 15 years... Surely those two simple facts would have reduced stopping distances, reduced impact speeds and had a net positive benefit.

About traffic speeds, a few years ago I read that peak hour traffic in sydney driving from parramatta to george street was now slower than in the days of horse and cart!!!!
Lets go bling up a sulky with alloy rims, flashing blue lights and a kickin stereo...

S

[JDNSW]

Very useful graph - it shows no marked effect from any single change except perhaps the steepening in the seventies as seat belts came in. What is noticeable is that almost all the improvement has happened before car manufacturers started thinking about safety. The remarkable thing is how low the figure has got on a per car basis, particularly if you bear in mind that average annual mileage has greatly increased in the last twenty years!

The gradual flattening of the curve is a strong indicator that any significant improvement is unlikely.

As far as the trauma rate declining in line with the fatality rate, this raises a major problem with statistics. A death is something that is readily defined, and has always been regarded seriously, and always recorded. When you start talking about injuries, it is almost impossible to have any confidence that the same level of injury is being considered, whether you are comparing Cairns and Melbourne today or Sydney today and ten years ago, let alone fifty years ago! You see figures talking about, for example, "deaths and serious injuries", but while deaths are well defined, injuries are not. This is why trends of road deaths are something you can be confident are real, although the numbers have now got so small that when talking about a small period of time (such as a long weekend) or a restricted area (such as a state) the variation is pretty meaningless.

John

[Captain_Rightfoot]

Gents, figures on trauma are correlated and available, but I didn't go looking as I knew the measure was deaths per distance unit.

It's my opinion that road infrastructure is the area where significant progress could be made. Why the main connecting roads on the east coast aren't divided by slab of concrete is beyond me. This would make a significant difference.

I remember when I was involved in this stuff that the Americans tried many things but they found the most effective single measure was dividing the traffic by something solid. If you could stop them going off the side too that was a bonus.

I can drive for about 10 minutes and on the major road out of Brisbane see evidence of only a large ditch separating two directions of traffic. People act surprised when the odd car launches itself at the oncoming traffic.

Fixing this is expensive and it doesn't give any immediate pay back. :(

If there is a positive to rising fuel prices reduced vehicle km's should lead to some reductions in MV death. Instead they will die of TV overdoses. :o

EDIT: I apologise for my rant. :o

[George130]

There's growing pressure on the Govt to look at how the FBT tax is related to km. ( currently, the more kms you do per year, the lower your FBT tax rate )
There's thinking in some circles it should be the other way round given the emphasis on reducing greenhouse gases, conserving worlds resources blah blah blah ....
You have this ridiculous situation of people going on long trips close to 30 June for no real reason, just so they click over into a lower tax rate.
I think the basic concept of novated leases and salary sacrifice will remain. ( but who knows )


NOOOOO!:o

I do 45,000km a year. That's why the sacrifice is so good for me. I'm not in the salary range to make it good but do the distances that make it worth my while.

[JDNSW]

G.......

It's my opinion that road infrastructure is the area where significant progress could be made. Why the main connecting roads on the east coast aren't divided by slab of concrete is beyond me. This would make a significant difference.

.......

What opened my eyes to this was an article in the NRMA journal a few years ago - it reviewed progress on upgrades to the Pacific Highway over the previous year. In that period, the proportion of divided road had increased significantly, and over the same period the average speed limit had increased, with a fairly dramatic reduction both in fatalities and in accidents of all kinds. And a few pages further on there was an article asking readers for ideas to cut the road toll!

John

[p38arover]

Dobbo's post on using a Fisher & Paykel Smart Drive motor led me here: Randy Burmeister - Project Kits & Model Plans Home Page (http://www.watchtv.net/~rburmeister/Alternate2.html)

Interesting comparison of costs and the payback period (in USA) for a Toyota Prius vs a Toyota Echo.


So how long would it take to reclaim the cost difference for a more expensive hybrid automobile? At $1.40/gallon for gas and a $10,000 price difference: More than 1.12 million miles. That's a distance few people drive in the same car.

It would be interesting to apply his formula elsewhere, e.g. replacing an older V8 Land Rover with a modern 4-cyl economy car.

[RonMcGr]

Just went down to the BP, to fill up the red Jaguar with LPG.

68 cents per litre which is high but not extreme.

Then I saw the diesel price!!

If I had false teeth I would have lost them!!
$1.72 per litre:eek::eek:
Unbelievable

[ak]

Just went down to the BP, to fill up the red Jaguar with LPG.

68 cents per litre which is high but not extreme.

Then I saw the diesel price!!

If I had false teeth I would have lost them!!
$1.72 per litre:eek::eek:
Unbelievable


Yep, that's what I paid for diesel yesterday. If it keeps going we all might not be going off road as much.

[JamesH]

I've got a 9000km trip to the Kimberley coming up. It's starting to look like I should have canned it and gone to Paris instead

[5teve]

bp in currambine nearly made me crash yesterday.. 179.9! scary! :eek:

Thanks

Steve

[ak]

I've got a 9000km trip to the Kimberley coming up. It's starting to look like I should have canned it and gone to Paris instead


Not wrong.

[ak]

bp in currambine nearly made me crash yesterday.. 179.9! scary! :eek:

Thanks

Steve


It's almost starting to get out of hand. I thought 2.00 litre by Christmas, looks like it could hit 2.00 within in the next few months the way it's going.

[Utemad]

68 cents per litre which is high but not extreme.

Still 61.9 in Slacks Creek this morning. Diesel was 'only' 158.9 too.

[roverrescue]

Just started a 2 month stint on thursday island... diesolene you little ripper 209.9 (At least the islnad aint real big and the truck is only used to get to and from the boat ramp)
but more importantly unleaded = boat fuel is 199.9

lucky the boat has a four stroke!!!

regarding going to paris instead of the kimberely region?
We are planning on the canning next year, Ive factored fuel at $3 a litre everywhere and $3.50 in hard to get places like Laverton... hopefully it will come in under that. Either way the trip for 5 weeks will still be cheaper than the three and a bit weeks we spent in Hong Kong, Singapore and indo this year visiting friends and family. Your fuel bill may increase by say $1500 now fuel has doubled on a long trip - I would guess you fuel levy + taxes ++++ on a trip to france have gone up at least that per person? Square is square just the OPEC giants are a little fatter?

Steve

[dullbird]

Just started a 2 month stint on thursday island... diesolene you little ripper 209.9 (At least the islnad aint real big and the truck is only used to get to and from the boat ramp)
but more importantly unleaded = boat fuel is 199.9

lucky the boat has a four stroke!!!

regarding going to paris instead of the kimberely region?
We are planning on the canning next year, Ive factored fuel at $3 a litre everywhere and $3.50 in hard to get places like Laverton... hopefully it will come in under that. Either way the trip for 5 weeks will still be cheaper than the three and a bit weeks we spent in Hong Kong, Singapore and indo this year visiting friends and family.
Your fuel bill may increase by say $1500 now fuel has doubled on a long trip - I would guess you fuel levy + taxes ++++ on a trip to france have gone up at least that per person? Square is square just the OPEC giants are a little fatter?

Steve

i was always under the impression that although it impacts on airlines etc, it doesn't as much as it does for the common person, purely because they are a far greater buying force and can lock in better prices.......

i'm not saying it doesn't go up i just dont believe they do it by a per person so to speak

[The ho har's]

Then I saw the diesel price!!

If I had false teeth I would have lost them!!
$1.72 per litre:eek::eek:
Unbelievable[/QUOTE]


You guys live on the wrong side of town:( today dearest $166.00:mad: cheapest $159.00:)


Mrs ho har:D

[The ho har's]

I've got a 9000km trip to the Kimberley coming up. It's starting to look like I should have canned it and gone to Paris instead


JamesH
We are heading along the Donahue/Plenty Hwy when we come over and have checked with Jervois Station there deisel is $190.99 so it may be not as bad as we think!!!!:angel:


Mrs ho har:D

[RonMcGr]

Still 61.9 in Slacks Creek this morning. Diesel was 'only' 158.9 too.

Justin,

Looks like the "North Shore" is being ripped off!
Nothing unusual there :(

8 or 9 years ago, when I was working for Rothmans at Acacia Ridge, I uses to fill up the Jaguar at a small servo near a rail line, just short of Acacia Ridge. The best I paid was 19.9 cents a litre for LPG. Rarely it got above 30 cents.

Times sure have changed.:confused:

Ron

[Psimpson7]

Diesel is upto about 1.28pounds a litre in the UK a litre at the moment......:o

works out roughly at say about $2.65 a litre!!!!!!!! :o:o:o:o:o:o:o:eek:


Pete

[landy63]

gOOD TIME TO OWN A HIPPO , 6.7LTS /100KS .:cool::cool::cool::twisted:

[p38arover]

I paid $1.759/litre yesterday here in western Sydney. I needed fuel to go to work last night.

[RonMcGr]

I paid $1.759/litre yesterday here in western Sydney. I needed fuel to go to work last night.

Ron,

You using the 300TDi as a work hack? :)

[Bushie]

$1.779 at Heathcote yesterday, :(

luckily I was filling the work Hilux.


Martyn

[Slunnie]

Orange today was 179.5 for diesel.

[Xtreme]

Gunnedah today $1.729
It seems they're a bit slow to catch up with the news up this way!

Roger

[Xtreme]

Diesel is upto about 1.28pounds a litre in the UK a litre at the moment......:o

works out roughly at say about $2.65 a litre!!!!!!!! :o:o:o:o:o:o:o:eek:


Pete

At least they don't have far to drive there Pete. :D

Roger

[p38arover]

Ron,

You using the 300TDi as a work hack? :)

The P38A still has the dash out of it (and it's too damn cold to ride the motorbike). I can't get one of the P38A air ducts reconnected. I haven't spent much time on it as I've been working midnight shifts and I sleep when I get home then when I wake up I seem to have got involved in rearranging the lounge room with my wife. :(

(It was stripped out to repaint back in February but that went belly up when our son died. We've finished the painting, etc., but now Elisabeth wants to rearrange it all........ You know what it's like, when the wife starts rearranging one has to be involved whether one wants to be or not!)

[Tombie]

Orange today was 179.5 for diesel.

Same here mate...

Just filled the tanks... $279.00

That'll do my trip to the Flinders this weekend, then I'll fill up again..

Usually a tank (excluding trips, local only) lasts around 8 weeks :cool:

The bike hasnt needed fuel for over 2 months... :D

[p38arover]

The bike hasnt needed fuel for over 2 months... :D

Yeah, too bloody cold to ride here, too!

[RonMcGr]

The P38A still has the dash out of it (and it's too damn cold to ride the motorbike). I can't get one of the P38A air ducts reconnected. I haven't spent much time on it as I've been working midnight shifts and I sleep when I get home then when I wake up I seem to have got involved in rearranging the lounge room with my wife. :(

(It was stripped out to repaint back in February but that went belly up when our son died. We've finished the painting, etc., but now Elisabeth wants to rearrange it all........ You know what it's like, when the wife starts rearranging one has to be involved whether one wants to be or not!)

:lol2::lol2::lol2: Sure do! :D

[p38arover]

One thing I've noticed with the diesel Disco - it take a lot longer to warm up the car interior than the petrol P38A. This is not good when going to/from work in the mountains. :(

If I keep driving the Disco I might have to start wearing long pants! :eek:

[RonMcGr]

One thing I've noticed with the diesel Disco - it take a lot longer to warm up the car interior than the petrol P38A. This is not good when going to/from work in the mountains. :(

If I keep driving the Disco I might have to start wearing long pants! :eek:

Start it 5 minutes before you leave :D

[rovercare]

One thing I've noticed with the diesel Disco - it take a lot longer to warm up the car interior than the petrol P38A. This is not good when going to/from work in the mountains. :(

If I keep driving the Disco I might have to start wearing long pants! :eek:

That's because the heater core isn't leaking into the passenger space:p

[Redback]

Helensburgh this morning $1.74.5 a litre, always cheaper than Heathcote/Engadine area.

Baz.

[agrojnr]

Just payed $1.75.9:eek: WTF is the world doing

It was cheaper to run a V8 disco


Adam

[Discobunny]

What I want to know is, why the massive difference between unleaded and diesel. It was 10c/l more before easter, it's now 30c/l dearer. at this rate my V8 disco will soon be cheaper to run on unleaded than a TDI:Rolling::Thump:

(I'm only interested in diesel as my work car is a diesel, not that I pay for it anyway)
Cheers,
Ross.

[JamesH]

Diesel is so expensive because of the demand for it. Plant and equipment all runs on a lot of it. Demand is very unresponsive to changes in price.

They charge because they can. We domestic users are bidding against mining comapnies for the stuff.

[ATH]

I saw a small article in the local rag yesterday which said that BPs refining profit from diesel had increased 300% since the start of the year.
They charge what they can because they can and Krudd and the rest love it as they get more as the price increases.
But why whinge about the refiners profit when the pollies sit back and rake off billions for doing nothing?
Alan.

[cartm58]

Have l missed something, aren't Diesels much more cost effective than v8 petrol rovers, don't you Diesels guys do a 1000km to a tank compared to v8 400km tank range, don't Diesels last longer as motors than v8

Can't Diesels be run on home made bio oil obtained from your local fish and chip shop and therefore are really cost free.

[jik22]

You know what it's like, when the wife starts rearranging one has to be involved whether one wants to be or not!)

I find that the far safer option. Not only do you get to see what's being spent & done, you get to inject some logic as well. :angel:

[dullbird]

Have l missed something, aren't Diesels much more cost effective than v8 petrol rovers, don't you Diesels guys do a 1000km to a tank compared to v8 400km tank range, don't Diesels last longer as motors than v8


Can't Diesels be run on home made bio oil obtained from your local fish and chip shop and therefore are really cost free.


not in a modern diesel you cant,

[dobbo]

Have l missed something, aren't Diesels much more cost effective than v8 petrol rovers, don't you Diesels guys do a 1000km to a tank compared to v8 400km tank range, don't Diesels last longer as motors than v8

Can't Diesels be run on home made bio oil obtained from your local fish and chip shop and therefore are really cost free.

some can, others can not. Besides you still have to obtain a licence and pay taxes on that, you can buy properly brewed bio in bulk though.

[dobbo]

So is there anyone around the Newcastle area with a primary producers card who will go shares in an amount of plant diesel?

[Discobunny]

you get to inject some logic as well. :angel:

Good luck with that:p

[solmanic]

Aaahhh, the joys of working from home. I hardly EVER leave the house now and when I do it's usually on foot with the dog :cool:. If I do decide to take a drive then hopefully the increased fuel prices will mean there are less other vehicles on the road altogether.

So I wonder how much people would pay per litre if it meant that you could go anywhere without ever getting caught in a traffic jamb?

[digger]

just visited old stomping ground at andamooka. andamooka is about 35k from roxby and usually up to 6c a litre CHEAPER than Roxby price.

price per litre $1.86..


yep that cuts down on the other fluids used during the trip!
(it was 700k up and then 700k back 2 days later..an expensive visit)

digger

Still cheaper than places like Ooodnadatta, MT Dare, and other bush spots.
and obviously than in arhnem land...

if only we didnt have to buy in all our diesel....if only somewhere in australia we could use some of our resources to keep prices down...instead of capping or shipping overseas at ridiculously low prices.......mmmm if only!

[p38arover]

Start it 5 minutes before you leave :D

In a railway station car park - start it, leave it running and go back into work to keep warm??


That's because the heater core isn't leaking into the passenger space:p

Only because I've replaced the Disco heater.

[Xtreme]

not in a modern diesel you cant,

Friend of mine has been making his own bio diesel and running his ML270 Merc and his Td5 Disco on it for over 50,000kms without a problem - except that he says that he has to be quick to pick up the drums of used oil from the fish-n-chip shop as there is now a very high demand for it.

Cost, with necessary additives, works out at about $0.25 per litre.

Roger

[RonMcGr]

In a railway station car park - start it, leave it running and go back into work to keep warm??


:eek::eek::eek: Oh!

I thought you meant from home!

[Ace]

dropped stacey off at the airport this morning and on the way down and the way back diesel at some of the servos in the mountains on the great western highway was $1.80/L :eek: its going to be $2/L soon. Cheapest i saw was along the great western highway near St Mary's at $1.72.9. Not good. I filled up with Vortex at a woolies petrol for $1.46/L its over $1.60 in lithgow. Matt

[scarry]

saw ulp at $1.33 & deisel at$1.69 at same garage...thats almost .34 difference:mad::mad:

saw lpg last week at .54.9 at one garage & ,72,9at another on the same day:confused::confused:

what if the aussie dollar was trading at around 70 cents as it was a couple of years ago instead of around 95 cents as it is today....what would the fuel price be then?

i would love to know what the large trucking companies pay for diesel as i am sure we are susidising them at the diesel bowser:confused:

cheers paul

[5teve]

oh and it gets better...

BP at currambine are now at 182.9! someone had to be taking the urine now..

Thanks

Steve

[2 rocks]

5teve
I was shocked when I saw Healy's Store near Carabooda at 179-something! Been driving the Heep (so ULP) for a couple of weeks so hadn't needed to juice up the Td5.

This is getiing out of control...
Mike

[LandyAndy]

Worth a trip to Williams boys!!!!
Was $1.78 today,CHEAPER THAN PERTH:D:D:D:D
If you are near Armadale,YuleDo at the top of Bedfordale hill(Albany Hwy) are usually much better than you find in the metro area,even taking 4cpl off at them places whos groceries destroy price marketing.
Andrew

[5teve]

seems after the accccccccccccccccccccc enquiry that they think they have free reign...

as someone pointed out on the comments page of abc news, if the oil price spiked yesterday, why the hell did it go up yesterday, it should take a week or so for the price of crude to filter through..

bandwagon jumping and greed.. im sure BP etc will be posting Record profits once again.... something has to give soon..

Steve

[agrojnr]

Might be time to go back to the V8:eek:



Adam

[WhiteD3]

Interesting story on Sunrise this AM.

GEMCO (a mining company) have a deal with a community in the NT (probably Groote Is) where the community pay 2c more a litre than the company pays.

The price on the community's pump? $1.03.

Yahoo!7 Sunrise - Home (http://au.lifestyle.yahoo.com/sunrise/)

[goldey]

Drove past the local Caltex and chose not to fill up just yet........$1.80 / lt for diesel :eek::mad::mad:

[RonMcGr]

Interesting story on Sunrise this AM.

GEMCO (a mining company) have a deal with a community in the NT (probably Groote Is) where the community pay 2c more a litre than the company pays.

The price on the community's pump? $1.03.

Yahoo!7 Sunrise - Home (http://au.lifestyle.yahoo.com/sunrise/)

I wonder "IF" we had an independent fuel company that did not rely on the "Greedy" ones, if fuel would be cheaper.

I suppose, BP, Shell and Caltex would make it very hard for them, to set up in the first place.

[LSBob]

Interesting story on Sunrise this AM.

GEMCO (a mining company) have a deal with a community in the NT (probably Groote Is) where the community pay 2c more a litre than the company pays.

The price on the community's pump? $1.03.

Yahoo!7 Sunrise - Home (http://au.lifestyle.yahoo.com/sunrise/)


This is what the NT News said,
Are we being taken for fuels?
ALYSSA BETTS
22May08




THE cheapest petrol in the Northern Territory -- and possibly in Australia -- is being sold in one of our most remote communities.
Groote Eylandt's petrol bowser -- out at mining company Gemco's wharf by Alyangula -- was clocking $1.03 for unleaded on the weekend and just $1.25 for diesel.
By contrast, Darwin was yesterday hitting $1.61 a litre for unleaded and $1.81 for diesel.
Shell stations at Winnellie and Berrimah were selling unleaded for $1.57, while at Nightcliff the price was $1.52.
Even in southern states petrol is going for more than $1.60 per litre. In Melbourne, the RACV reported that fuel at some service stations was selling for almost $1.63 as oil prices went through the $129 a barrel mark.
But everyone is smiling on Groote Eylandt.

Local Michael O'Keefe is just one who has been enjoying the country's cheapest fuel.
"Because of the workers being under the agreement with Gemco, one of the agreements was they could only charge two cents more than what they paid for it,'' he said.
"Everyone's basically here because of the mine. The downside is no one really drives anywhere.
"I bought a motorbike and bought a $20 fuel card in January and I have still got $8 credit on it.
"It's probably the most expensive (wholesale) fuel but it's become the cheapest.''
A common price in Alice Springs yesterday was $1.62 a litre, according to FUELtrac.
FUELtrac yesterday recorded one of the most expensive prices in the Territory at the Threeways Road House Shell, near Tennant Creek, which hit $1.90 a litre.
FUELtrac general manager Geoff Trotter said the price was "ridiculous''.
He said Darwin was clocking the highest average price out of all Australian metropolitan areas.
"The majors control the infrastructure up there,'' he said.
"There's one small independent group that has to buy from the majors through the terminal, which is controlled by the majors.''

Fuel probably goes in by barge which is not cheap. Also Katherine which is 300 kns from Darwin is at least 4 cents litre cheaper and it has cartage costs as well. :(

[waynep]

There are two more wholesale price rises to filter through. Expect diesel in to hit $1.80 in Melbourne over the next couple of weeks.

Oil futures hit $133 USD a barrel last night. Predictions are it will go to $USD200.

That will mean ULP will be $2.00 - $2.20 and diesel probably $2.50 per/l in Metro areas.

The only thing that is helping us is the A$ which is hovering around 96c to the USD.

[ak]

There are two more wholesale price rises to filter through. Expect diesel in to hit $1.80 in Melbourne over the next couple of weeks.

Oil futures hit $133 USD a barrel last night. Predictions are it will go to $USD200.

That will mean ULP will be $2.00 - $2.20 and diesel probably $2.50 per/l in Metro areas.

The only thing that is helping us is the A$ which is hovering around 96c to the USD.

Yes I think your on the money here, it's bloody frightening.

[Ace]

it was 1.80 in the mountains the other day, still around the 1.70 mark in syndey

[mns488]

There are two more wholesale price rises to filter through. Expect diesel in to hit $1.80 in Melbourne over the next couple of weeks.

Oil futures hit $133 USD a barrel last night. Predictions are it will go to $USD200.

That will mean ULP will be $2.00 - $2.20 and diesel probably $2.50 per/l in Metro areas.

The only thing that is helping us is the A$ which is hovering around 96c to the USD.
:eek: that makes it $200 to fill the disco.

glad i don't have a V8!:p

Everytime i think of getting a new 4wd i look at fuel prices and it becomes a redundant thought!

[RonMcGr]

It's not only us :)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~


By Chris Baltimore in Washington

May 22, 2008 12:08pm

EXECUTIVES from the five biggest international oil companies today claimed that they were victims of high oil prices along with consumers, but US senators showed little sympathy.

For the second time this year, executives from Exxon Mobil, Chevron and three other big energy companies were called to testify before the US Congress to explain their swelling profits as petrol prices hit new records.

Australian motorists warned - worse to come

Executives testifying under oath before the Senate Judiciary Committee reiterated the corporate stand that crude oil markets - not profiteering at the petrol pump - were the prime reason behind high prices.

"As repetitive and uninteresting as it may sound, the fundamental laws of supply and demand are at work," said John Hofmeister, president of Shell Oil Company, the US subsidiary of Royal Dutch Shell.

Prime drilling land in Alaska and the outer continental shelf off the US coast were off-limits and international oil companies were at a growing disadvantage to government-owned companies like Saudi Aramco and Venezuela's PDVSA, executives said.

Exxon Mobil, the No. 1 US oil company, said it made about 4 cents a gallon in the US, down from 10 cents in 2007, due mainly to higher oil costs.

Politicians appeared leery and sometimes downright hostile to executives' testimony that crude oil prices - which comprise about 70 per cent of petrol prices - were the primary reason for soaring petrol prices.

"To me it was just a litany of complaints that you're all just hapless victims of a system," said Senator Dianne Feinstein, a California Democrat. "I don't think you are really."

Committee chairman Senator Patrick Leahy of Vermont asked the executives to disclose their 2007 salaries, and at least one executive was unable to answer.

"I know it's a matter of public record. I do not know the exact amount," said John Lowe, executive vice-president of ConocoPhillips.

"Mr Lowe, I wish that I made enough money that I didn't have to know how much I made," Senator Leahy said.

"Do you suppose you might be able to find out how much you make and let us know?"

Mr Lowe said he would.

Oil prices have risen six-fold since 2002 as surging demand in China and other developing economies strained supplies and added pressure to a faltering US economy already struggling under a housing crisis and global credit crunch.

The oil company executives, which also include the US subsidiary of BP, are scheduled to testify again tomorrow before a House Judiciary Committee panel.

Democrats in the Senate are pursuing punitive measures like higher taxes aimed specifically at the five companies who appeared at the hearing.

Earlier this month, politicians unveiled a new energy package that would revoke billions of dollars in tax breaks extended to big oil companies and slap a 25 per cent windfall profits tax on firms that don't invest in new energy sources.

[101RRS]

I paid $1.799 at a Woolies in Canberra yesterday - at the same garage ULP was "only" $1.559.

At these prices sort of defeats the fuel consumption advantage of a diesel over petrol - might as well just switch back to a petrol car.

Garry

[ak]

I paid $1.799 at a Woolies in Canberra yesterday - at the same garage ULP was "only" $1.559.

At these prices sort of defeats the fuel consumption advantage of a diesel over petrol - might as well just switch back to a petrol car.

Garry

Well I think a 4 cylinder 2 litre petrol car is the way to go over diesel these days.

[RonMcGr]

From a Caravanning Forum. Don't worry about the "Prado", the economics will be similar regardless of the make of vehicle.
~~~~~~~~

"As soon as diesel becomes 30 cents per litre more expensive than ULP that's the cut off point for diesel being cheaper to run a vehicle. Especially if you are towing a van ... the type of vehicle you drive obviously makes a difference but I used today's prices ($1.41 ULP ... $1.69 diesel) and ASA fuel comparison figures for a Prado in both diesel and petrol. Worked out that over 20000k's of use (12000k of towing which is what we do) the diesel engine would cost just under $300 per year more than the ULP motor.

'Fuel' for though for those wondering what motor to get next."

[incisor]

Earlier this month, politicians unveiled a new energy package that would revoke billions of dollars in tax breaks extended to big oil companies and slap a 25 per cent windfall profits tax on firms that don't invest in new energy sources.
and thats what needs to happen here, not a 5c drop in excise... IMHO

[5teve]

From a Caravanning Forum. Don't worry about the "Prado", the economics will be similar regardless of the make of vehicle.
~~~~~~~~

"As soon as diesel becomes 30 cents per litre more expensive than ULP that's the cut off point for diesel being cheaper to run a vehicle. Especially if you are towing a van ... the type of vehicle you drive obviously makes a difference but I used today's prices ($1.41 ULP ... $1.69 diesel) and ASA fuel comparison figures for a Prado in both diesel and petrol. Worked out that over 20000k's of use (12000k of towing which is what we do) the diesel engine would cost just under $300 per year more than the ULP motor.

'Fuel' for though for those wondering what motor to get next."

the comparison would be far different to the disco surely? the v8 disco is fairly thirsty especially when towing, and the td5 / tdi are pretty frugal with diesel even when towing..

wonder what figures were used 'cause in reality toyota normally understate the fuel usage.. not mentioning the lc200 :)

Thanks

Steve

[simonr23]

after being a bit shocked at seeing diesel at $1.799 all over my usual fueling stations, i started to wonder if it was still a wise choice (financially) to pick the td5 over the v8.

with there being no discount cycle(cherish the thought) for diesel, i calculated the basic running cost of a v8 s2 disco vs a td5 d2. at 1.799 for diesel and 1.419 for petrol (prices from saturday thru wednesday morning) my td5 for rego is $147 per qtr. the v8 is $194. fuel consumption for me is 11/100kms. a v8 i used 17/100kms (city km's, 38-40kph avg speed) insurance was bugger all difference. other consumables are generally the same outside of the engine itself.

i didnt bother calculating oil/filter changes, as for me its roughly the same, as i do change plugs every year in a petrol and do oil at 5000km's for both, plus the usual filters. i didnt worry about cost of purchase vs resale. it ends up basically the same.(u lose money in the end)


well rego is cheaper, no need to calculate anything there. using the 2 fuel prices from the top(as i type its moved further towards diesels favour- 1.799 vs 1.599)...

...the td5 is $19.79 per 100km travelled. the v8 would be $24.12. this is using a 38c deficit(sp?) or petrol being 78.88% the price of diesel. because its really the % that matters. if the difference is still 30c when prices are $2 and $2.30, it works further into the favour of the td5.

so while it would be cheaper to run a small/medium 2wd car, i still want the fun and freedom of the 4wd. as it stands the td5 is still the cheaper choice to run, day to day.

[5teve]

thats kinda how i thought it would work out... thanks for that :)

Steve

[def90]

I have been paying more than 2.50 in HOng Kong for a long time and it will probably go to 3.00. It is worth comparing prices across different countries but also need to consider the Ks/week impact in Aus which make the $ impact quite staggering....I have a new Subaru in HKG and in 2.5 months I have done 600ks.....so even though I pay 2.60/L, I am only on my second tank.However, when I am in OZ this weekend I will be doing a peninsula - high country loop of about 1000ks+ so it will be a killer. Speaking to my mate last night, he now spends $900 per month on two cars, just for fuel.... he now has to re think his living/work location, car types etc even though he has a diesel prado that gets 10/100....Seems like something has to give as everyone is now talking about the impact on businesses and oil heading toward US$200.I get tripple screwed as I get paid in US$.....

[p38arover]

my td5 for rego is $147 per qtr. the v8 is $194.

Why is a diesel cheaper to register in SA?

[simonr23]

goes by number of cylinders. the td5 is in the 4cyl class.

[RonMcGr]

For those who wondered about the high cost of diesel, note the last paragraph.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Petrol pain to deliver GST windfall, inflation risk | The Australian (http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,24897,23739991-601,00.html)
Samantha Maiden, Online political editor | May 22, 2008

SOARING petrol prices will reap an estimated $500 million GST windfall for the states and threaten to drive inflation even higher.

As the Rudd Government continues to reject the Opposition’s calls for a 5c-a-litre cut on fuel excise, this morning there are fresh calls for debate on fuel taxes in Australia.

Oil prices leapt past $US135 a barrel in Asian trade this morning, sparking fears of a further petrol price spike.

Australian drivers were confronted yesterday with petrol above $1.60 a litre for the first time in several capital cities.

"There's no reason to expect prices to fall away from these levels anytime soon," NAB economist Gerard Burg said.

But the strong Australian dollar, which rose to US96.54c in New York overnight - its highest level since it was floated in December 1983 - will also protect motorists from even higher prices at the bowser.

While the rising price of oil is expected to have little effect on the budget bottom line because of the Howard government’s decision to abandon the indexation of fuel excise, a sustained 20 per cent lift in the petrol price would add about $500 million to the GST revenues going to the states.

Rising prices threaten to fuel inflation and increase pressure on the Reserve Bank to raise interest rates again.

Fueltrac managing director Chris Kable told The Australian Online today that the Rudd Government was still applying a tax on a tax by collecting GST on top of excise.

“Excise is fixed at 38.14c in every litre of fuel. GST is calculated on the excise as well so it’s a tax on a tax that takes it up to 42c a litre,’’ he said.

“Obviously for every 11c a litre the price goes up 1c is GST. If the price of fuel is $1 the federal Government is getting 10c a litre. If it’s $1.50, it is getting 15c a litre in GST alone.

“(But) There’s two issues with the US barrel price. All oil is sold in $US so every time our dollar improves, that’s a benefit for us. Go back to 2001, we would have seen astronomical prices in the same circumstances today because the dollar was weaker.”

But HEH Australian Petroleum Consultancy chief Kevin Hughes said the Opposition’s promised 5c-a-litre cut to fuel excise was not the answer.

“The recent 5c-a-litre debacle by the Opposition represents about $2 billion in tax revenue that has to be funded from somewhere else,’’ he said.

“The real bite will start to happen now and prices will start to go into the $1.50s. You see the market has been distorted at the moment by price cycles, which is a local device. They are dominated and controlled by the supermarket alliances that hold 65 per cent of the retail petrol market.’’

He also questioned the Rudd Government’s move to introduce a nationwide Fuel Watch scheme forcing retailers to notify the ACCC of price movements overnight and lock them in for 24 hours.

“The Fuel Watch is a seriously flawed pricing proposal. There is no evidence of it being successful in terms of giving consumers benefits in WA compared to the eastern states,’’ he said. “There’s been no benefit it to WA motorists over time.’’

The Opposition spokesman on business development, independent contractors and consumer affairs, Luke Hartsuyker, said the Government should scrap an increase to the tax on diesel.
The price of diesel is tipped to reach $2 a litre by next year.

“Throughout the election campaign, Kevin Rudd led people to believe that he would reduce petrol and grocery prices, “ said Mr Hartsuyker, “But one of his first acts was to announce he was going increase tax on diesel from 19.7 cents per litre (cpl) to 21 cpl.”

[Slunnie]

Diesel is now 181.9 in Orange. :o

I think that we'll have hit that $2 mark by the end of the week.

[jx2mad]

With diesel prices soaring it means I will recoup the cost of my diesel/gas conversion. I run around 8l/100k in the defender with all the power I need. I suppose I am lucky.

[jik22]

With diesel prices soaring it means I will recoup the cost of my diesel/gas conversion. I run around 8l/100k in the defender with all the power I need. I suppose I am lucky.

It's actually pushing me towards getting the conversion done. My need was only more power from the TDi, which I was considerig getting by other methods, but now having a percentage of fuel costs at the LPG price vs the diesel price is quite temping. Unlike my D3, I don't have a fuel card for the Defender, and I'm just very glad I don't have to drive it unless I want to!!! :(

[scarry]

they wont get any gst windfall from the fuel i use........all my vehicles including the td5 are company owned:):):D:p:eek::eek:

dollar for dollar lpg is the cheapest way to run a vehicle,but then you have to put up with a tank in the back,high prices in regional areas,cost to fitting to vehicle etc

cheers paul

[longreach]

just filled up the truck this morning at $169.9 in brisbane,cost me $1200 to fill two tanks on my truck,thats should last me two days....truckies are doing it hard,with these prices:cool:

[Chucaro]

Just wonder if the difference between LPG and petrol or diesel will be maintained.?
I am considering in fit LPG in my RR 3.5 FI. As it is now it will be cheaper the 3.5 V8 run in gas than my old disco Tdi300.
The question is, if they reduce the gap between the LPG and petrol then the investment never will be recuperated driving less than 20000 km per year.
This is if we allow a 20% increase in consumption of lts per 100Km running on gas against running on petrol.
Cheers

[5teve]

dont i remember hearing at some point that the excise break on LPG will be ending soon? taking it up towards unleaded price?

sorry :D

Thanks

Steve

[RonMcGr]

dont i remember hearing at some point that the excise break on LPG will be ending soon? taking it up towards unleaded price?

sorry :D

Thanks

Steve

Currently there is no excise. From July 2011, the LPG excise will be introduced in increments, taking it to a total of 12.5 cpl by July 2015.

[linhof]

Just a quick post to inform and exercise the fingers that deisel at Laverton WA is 1.84.5 , Cosmo where I am is $2.00 Warburton $2.10 been that for a couple of months, Warakuna or Giles also $2.10. Hope this doesn't put you off a trip to desert country. All the best. Linhof:)

[Chucaro]

Here is an interesting reading about diesel and fuel prices:
Facts about Diesel Prices (http://www.aip.com.au/pricing/facts/Facts_about_Diesel_Prices.htm)
Cheers

[RoverOne]

$1.81 in Orange today & heading to Cape York on the 31st May, so whats it going to be up through central Queensland & on the Cape itself, but I am not staying home.

At least I can stretch the kilometres out of a tank with deisel but that must be getting close to balancing out unleaded cost at .20 a litre cheaper than deisel.

Costs probably more than double than the last time I went in 2001...?

[JDNSW]

Filled up last night in Dickson (ACT) - 179.9 less discount - $220 to fill up. Should have filled up in Yass - 1.4c cheaper.

John

[Chucaro]

It is heading to $ 2.20 a liter wholesale by the end of the year as predicted by the oil industry.
Keep the eye on the prices in Singapore. What ever price is there we cope it 2 weeks after here in Oz !

[ellard]

Hi there


It is heading to $ 2.20 a liter wholesale by the end of the year as predicted by the oil industry.


Well it will be here sooner than that - $1.88 this morining at Roxby Downs for Diesel.............

Wayne

[Chucaro]

Looks like that I going to need to get another BMW R1150GS again :)
and live the Rangie for special trips.

[Bushie]

Diesel is now 181.9 in Orange. :o




just filled up the truck this morning at $169.9 in brisbane:cool:


at Laverton WA is 1.84.5 , Cosmo where I am is $2.00 Warburton $2.10


$1.81 in Orange


Dickson (ACT) - 179.9 less discount
John



1.88 this morining at Roxby Downs for Diesel.............

Wayne


And diesel at Woolomin (near Tamworth) $1.629 yesterday obviously not profiteering and small throughput.

Martyn

[5teve]

scarborough (perth) last night at BP 187.9! :eek: perth metro area must be getting close to being the most expensive in the country?

nice spread of prices, so obviously nobody is creaming money off the back of oil price scaremongering...


Thanks

Steve

[agrojnr]

Paid $175.9 this morning


Adam

[Sprint]

from where i sit here at work i can see BP wants $1.689 a litre for diesel in Emerald, Central Queensland

[George130]

$1.859 today:(.
I might be off work but with running back and forth to the hospital and the kids I'm doing my k's than normal and have less time to do things in.

[Captain_Rightfoot]

On the way home today the BP was 174.9 Diesel and 142.9 for petrol. That's 20% difference! :eek:

[DiscoTDI]

When did diesel get to be 25cpl more than petrol:eek:

Glad I got rid of the D3 now and went to the economical one:angel:

[Pedro_The_Swift]

$1.859 today:(.
I might be off work but with running back and forth to the hospital and the kids I'm doing my k's than normal and have less time to do things in.


I dunno Edd,, I reckon you have, on average, the most expensive fuel in the country---

:eek:


and you are on Highway 1,,, :confused:

[one_iota]

1.35 in the UK (pounds that is) :p

$2.50 a litre in our money :eek:

I reckon we should get used to the idea of cheap diesel and enjoy it while it lasts 'cause it ain't going to get cheaper.:mad:

We are competing in the Asian market for fuel and we are small fry and getting smaller.

[JDNSW]

Got an interesting email from my brother in Texas this morning.

"The current average in Texas is $3.759 per U.S. gallon for regular
unleaded, super about $0.30 more, diesel about $0.80 more. *Regular is
generally expected to go over $4 within the week. *Sales of pickups and
large SUVs are off about 20-25% from a year ago, and sales of
subcompacts and hybrids are up about 20%. *Resale prices for 2006 VW
Jetta TDIs (the last reasonably-priced diesel car sold in the U.S.) are
about new price, even with close to 100,000 miles on them. "

So it seems the differential between diesel and petrol is roughly the same as it is here - so much of it being just the Asian market. Wait until it moves into the northern winter and they start to use it for heating!

John

[LandyAndy]

Record price for it posted in Perth tommorow.
$1.85CPL.
Was $1.79 in Williams today.
Andrew

[George130]

I dunno Edd,, I reckon you have, on average, the most expensive fuel in the country---

:eek:


and you are on Highway 1,,, :confused:

Yea.
I know I'm in the country but still most freight passes within a km of my front door. It's not like they are going out of their way.

[Phil633]

Soon every servo, will have a loans offficer, so you can organise finance:wasntme:

[RonMcGr]

Fuel prices hit $2 a litre

FUEL prices in a Queensland outback town have soared to more than $2 a litre - as Premier Anna Bligh said she would oppose moves to cut GST on pump prices.


http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,23765428-3102,00.html

Sorry all of those who may have been interested, some are not and attacking again.
The link will explain it.

The fuel "Bubble" has not yet burst!

[RonMcGr]

Rising fuel costs GST jackpot for government | The Courier-Mail (http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,23763375-953,00.html)

Sorry, deleted the content due to "anti labor" cr*p put on me again...

[Xtreme]

Soon every servo, will have a loans offficer, so you can organise finance:wasntme:

See thumbnails

[Slunnie]

Hmmm when I left home 2 weeks ago, diesel in O-town was 166.9/l, though cruising out for a fast fattening dinner tonight due to a blackout (now over thanks!) deiso was a lovely 172.9/l. I'll be on the pushy before long! :(
Today we went to 186.9

As of today, Diesel has gone up 20c/litre in 6 weeks and 14c/litre in the last 4 weeks. :(

I'm sure there will be a run on commercial fuel tanks with prices moving this fast! :blush:

[RonMcGr]

Today we went to 186.9

As of today, Diesel has gone up 20c/litre in 6 weeks and 14c/litre in the last 4 weeks. :(

I'm sure there will be a run on commercial fuel tanks with prices moving this fast! :blush:

Soon everything will go up as a flow on :(

[Chucaro]

I think that the price of the diesel on the pumps for us is just a little part on this problem.
Just wait and see when all the goods star to go up because the transport cost.
I believe that if we carry on like this, live in remote area will be expensive and people will start moving to the large populated areas. :(
The inflation on food in the last 12 month have to be very close to 10% or more.
Cheers

[Johnsy]

I know this is not 100% on topic, but last week I drove to Townsville in my VW Jetta TDI, and averaged 4.9l/100km going up and 5.7l/100km round town for a week and 5.0l/100km on way back.
Not bad for a fully loaded car, sitting on around 105km/h on Hwy. Paid $1.66/ltr to fill up in Sarina, and refuelled at Proserpine @ $1.78/ltr.
I know the diesel vs petrol argument to buy a vehicle reigns supreme, but with the size of the car, the comfort and safety and the HUGE boot I feel pretty good about buying it and salary sacrificing means fuel, rego, insurance & services come out of pre-tax income...
Still I am not looking forward to $2.00 a litre which cant be too far away:mad:

Johnsy

[FenianEel]

I paid $1.65 yesterday at Moorooka, and that's supposedly good now:(

The ACCC are supposedly going to investigate why diesel is now so much higher...can't wait for the non-outcome of that paper toothed tiger:eek:

Cousin came over from Belfast last week, dieso is about $1.45 euro ($2.37 AUD) a litre there at the minute. :o

We could move to Venezuala. Petrol & dieso are about 12c a litre, not sure that'd make up for living there though:D

[Martin]

$1.83 in Adelaide

[RonMcGr]

This one is doing the rounds :D

Walt Handelsman (http://weblogs.newsday.com/news/opinion/walthandelsman/blog/2008/05/animation_high_gas_prices.html)

Well, it IS a good laugh :D:D:D

[5teve]

and currambine are leading again....

188.9 p/L!

how do they get away with it? thats 8c/l higher than any surrounding station...

:mad: thank god for the train...

Thanks

Steve

[Fusion]

One side of Colac is $1.83 for diesel and the other side is $1.71 ...... 4klms apart :eek: ..... and the higher one is BP :mad:

[Tombie]

Loving the fuel prices here at the moment..

Diesel is $1.859 per litre and Petrol is $1.694...

But it does have a nice side effect around this place...

Many of the ferals cant afford to drive any more.:cool:

[Slunnie]

Loving the fuel prices here at the moment..

Diesel is $1.859 per litre and Petrol is $1.694...

But it does have a nice side effect around this place...

Many of the ferals cant afford to drive any more.:cool:
You riding to work now Tombie! :D

[djam1]

It saw it for $1.92.9 today give it 12 months itll probably be $3.00
Oh the Joys

Toombie2 the ferals delight in blasting up and down my street every night in their SSS Commodores they all earn a fortune if they dont mummy and daddy does so it doesnt matter.

Oh the Joys

[Disco_owner]

and currambine are leading again....

188.9 p/L!

how do they get away with it? thats 8c/l higher than any surrounding station...

:mad: thank god for the trains...

Thanks

Steve

yeah I 'd say , I catch the trains to work on the weekends now,there is no cheaper option available , it was cheaper for me to drive and park my disco at work before Helstra took away parking from all shift staff on weekends. With scheduled track work on my particular line 2 extra hours of travelling is expected.:(

[Discozook]

The government tries to tell everyone we're still cheaper than most other places in the world. Yet diesel in the US of A is only around $1.10 - $1.12/ltr.

[Bushie]

The government tries to tell everyone we're still cheaper than most other places in the world. Yet diesel in the US of A is only around $1.10 - $1.12/ltr.


And according to the tele the other day 3c (thats correct) 3c a litre in Venezuela

Martyn

[JDNSW]

Anyone else note this?

Border petrol perk dries up | NEWS.com.au (http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23793524-421,00.html)

Looks as if the Queensland government is about to have a go at tourists, and are prepared to live with the cost of issuing a new licence to everyone.

Of course, it will mean that non-licenced drivers will have to pay more for their fuel.

How having separate prices for residents and non-residents will fit with section 92 may be another matter, not mention how it will fit with the proposed fuel watch legislation.......

John

[matbor]

I pay $161 a month for my train ticket :)

Petrol is cheaper then :) less distance to travel and maintance.

[JDNSW]

The government tries to tell everyone we're still cheaper than most other places in the world. Yet diesel in the US of A is only around $1.10 - $1.12/ltr.

Price of diesel in the US varies, but according to Local News: Diesel Fuel Price Approaching $5 a Gallon | fuel, gallon, approaching : (http://www.ktvl.com/news/fuel_1186488___article.html/gallon_approaching.html)

the price in Oregon is $4.81 a gallon three days ago, which is about A$1.30 a litre, depending on what exchange rate you use. And note that this will not include state sales tax, which will add a cent or two - in the US, prices do not include state sales tax, which is usually from 1-5%. And in many cases there is a local government sales tax as well, typically of similar magnitude.

Fuel prices worldwide come mostly in three categories;-

1. Subsidised fuel prices, almost exclusively in major oil producing countries, such as Malaysia, Saudi Arabia, Venezuela etc. This price bears no relation to the cost of the fuel, and is usually very cheap by Australian standards, although some of the countries involved have rationing or shortages and because the fuel price is "set", it is likely to change dramatically from time to time, sparking riots (as in Indonesia about a year ago - and see http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=232964). (And a reminder, that on a state level Queensland has subsidised fuel)

2. No special taxes on fuel - this includes the USA, Russia (and former Soviet states), and a few other countries, and the prices reflect the actual market value of the fuel.

3. Fuel is treated as a special case for tax purposes, with much higher tax than other commodities. The tax can whatever figure the government has dreamed up, and historically has either been a "luxury" tax from the days when car ownership was regarded as a luxury, or a road maintenance tax (or both). Most western European countries have very high fuel taxes, although some do not apply this to diesel. Australia falls into this third category, with a tax take that is moderate by European standards.

Whether Australia has low or high fuel prices depends on which country you compare it to. If you compare it to most Western European countries, it is cheap, if you compare it to the USA, it is a bit expensive, and if you compare it to countries with subsidised fuel, of course, it is very expensive. And anyone with an axe to grind can find a comparison that "proves" the point they want to make!

[bruiser69]

Hi JD & other suffering Landy diesel owners,

I bought my Disco TD5 because although TD5 cost about $4K more, I wanted the economy, torque and long life that a diesel offers, plus back in 2000 diesel was cheaper than unleaded.
Wow how times have changed! Because our fuel price is Singapore based, and Asia uses more diesel than unleaded, we are now not only subsidising our farmers, but the Asian market as well, who get first option on diesel.
The crazy thing is that Australia has some of the biggest reserves of natural gas in the world. This CNG is loaded onto bulk carriers & shipped to Asia for about 1cent /litre.
CNG is not the best option for vehicles (low calorie output compared to diesel,unleaded, LPG) but can be easily converted to high quality diesel/petrol.

Why are we importing diesel when we can make our own from CNG?:mad:

It's about time we lobbied our Federal members to get this situation reversed.

Cheers..Bruiser

[RonMcGr]

Anyone else note this?

Border petrol perk dries up | NEWS.com.au (http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23793524-421,00.html)

Looks as if the Queensland government is about to have a go at tourists, and are prepared to live with the cost of issuing a new licence to everyone.

Of course, it will mean that non-licenced drivers will have to pay more for their fuel.

How having separate prices for residents and non-residents will fit with section 92 may be another matter, not mention how it will fit with the proposed fuel watch legislation.......

John

Capt Bligh always comes up with new ideas to fill her money trough!
Naturally she is not concerned with tourism and truckies...only her Government and perks!

[JDNSW]

Hi JD & other suffering Landy diesel owners,
............we are now not only subsidising our farmers, but the Asian market as well, who get first option on diesel.
The crazy thing is that Australia has some of the biggest reserves of natural gas in the world. This CNG is loaded onto bulk carriers & shipped to Asia for about 1cent /litre.
CNG is not the best option for vehicles (low calorie output compared to diesel,unleaded, LPG) but can be easily converted to high quality diesel/petrol.

Why are we importing diesel when we can make our own from CNG?:mad:

It's about time we lobbied our Federal members to get this situation reversed.

Cheers..Bruiser

1. If we are subsidising our farmers, I want to hear about it - I haven't been!

2. CNG is not exported - Liquified Natural Gas (methane) is exported; I don't know the price off hand, but I rather doubt it is as low as 1c/l, although since it is never traded in litres, its a bit hard to say.

3. Methane can be converted to diesel or petrol together with coal or another carbon source using the Fischer-Tropsch process. It is a well established process, going back to the 1920s. To call it easy, is perhaps not quite the right word - to quote "The FT process is an established technology and already applied on a large scale in some industrial sectors, although its popularity is hampered by high capital costs, high operation and maintenance costs, the uncertain and volatile price of crude oil, and environmental concerns. In particular, the use of natural gas as a feedstock only becomes practical when using "stranded gas", i.e. sources of natural gas far from major cities which are impractical to exploit with conventional gas pipelines and LNG technology;" It has only been used to any extent in times and places where crude oil is not available for political reasons, e.g. the Third Reich and Japan during WW2, and SA under apartheid sanctions, but there is some interest today as it is easier to produce ultra low sulphur diesel this way than from a lot of crude.

It is likely that the price of crude oil is high enough to consider synthetic oil, but investors would have to be convinced it is going to stay that high before putting up the money, and I suspect that from an economic point of view, setting up a CNG distribution system (much more difficult and expensive than LPG) and directly using the gas in cars and trucks could be a better use of resources.

John

[vnx205]

Diesel had reached $1.86.9 in Moruya.:mad:

On Friday a new Woolies servo opened, just in time for the long weekend.

It had diesel at $1.82.9.:)

The next day the two nearby servos had diesel at the same price.:D

The one at the other side of town stayed at $1.86.9.

Of course even if the Defender was down to running on only the fumes left in the tank, the difference would be about the same as the cost of one cup of coffee.

Hardly seems worth getting excited about does it?:p

[WhiteD3]

I take the opportunity to fill up at an independant servo near work (freedom fuels I think, at Rothwell anyway) as they are usually about 4-6cents per litre cheaper than the Shell and BP servos on the same road.

Still can't come to grips with $172 per fill tho :eek:

Yes, yesterday Freedom at 8 Mile Plains was 6 cents cheaper than BP.

[PhilipA]

In Tibooburra on Friday diesel was 2.09 a litre .
I asked the woman in the servo how the locals cope. She said it was hard especially since they needed large 4WDs as the roads are BAD dirt for about 300Km minimum in every direction.
When you consider that there has been drought for 6 years out there and wages are also lower it must be tough.
I think the servo owner as profiteering quite a bit as the only other servo in town was broken down. Diesel in Broken Hill was about 1.76 a couple of weeks ago, and is probably 1.8 something now.
Regards Philip A

[rovers4]

I am dreading my next top-up here in Tassie. I heard that last weekend diesel had already topped the $1.90 mark. That was before the $11/barrel for crude that hit recently.

Rovers4

[George130]

I take the opportunity to fill up at an independant servo near work (freedom fuels I think, at Rothwell anyway) as they are usually about 4-6cents per litre cheaper than the Shell and BP servos on the same road.

Still can't come to grips with $172 per fill tho :eek:
Yea but it is still cheaper than the $263 to fill my beast:angrylock:

[Tank]

I wonder how much the Federal Government Bureaucrats and Politicians are paying and whether we poor bastards are subsiding discounts for them, Regards Frank.

[Will]

About time we all had our say to the Prime Minister!!! (see below)
He has set up a 'Fuel Commissioner' or some such title - to look into PETROL pricing, diesel not included. Why not?
The country's livelihood depends on diesel - all the trucks and trains. He needs to get his head around the problems associated with diesel.

Why is it dearer in Australia than petrol when its cheaper in other countries than petrol? Look at NZ at the present time - about 20c / l cheaper , I believe.

When will he start placing the large semi trailers on trains to get our food supplies to capital cities etc?

I have sent my email to him and await my reply. Send yours in too.

Prime Minister of Australia - Contact your Prime Minister (http://www.pm.gov.au/contact/index.cfm)

[dullbird]

$144.57 to fill up my disco today:mad:......i remember when it used to cost , me a little over $97

[jacknz]

Hi Guys, we are also feeling the pain, Diesel is currently $1.79 ish for diesel, $2.00 for reular, God only knows for premium, sounds cheap huh, then factor in $3.00 per 100kms for 'Road User Tax' for diesel powered vehicles.That works on gross vehicle weight, so my Disco runs on a 3 ton sticker, HGVs run on various stickers according to what they are carrying. We also pay appox $105 per year extra to register a diesel for the road., Take into account the more frequent servicing of a Tdi etc and a small petrol is staring to look pretty good. Can you fit a roof top tent on a Sumurai?

Regards, Jack

P.S. Just bought 2 Mountain Bikes for me and the wife!!

[LandyAndy]

Thanks to a gas explosion in a Nor West production facility WA has lost 30% of its natural gas supply,out of action for atleast 2 months!!!!.Brick factories,commercial laundries,mine sites and many others have had their gas cut off.
Western power has 2 coal fired powerstations on shutdown.
Minesites are reverting to diesel generation as to are Western power.
Guess whats going to happen to the price of diesel????
Not only is BP Kwinana already at full production,imported diesel no longer meets import standards,SO WHY ARE WE PAYING THE SINGAPORE BENCH RATE THAT CONTROLS AUSSIE DIESEL PRICES!!!!!!.
So Im guessing it has to come from over east. I guess you guys over there will also cop increased diesel prices over it too.
Andrew

[gone bush]

Jumped to $1.96.9 in Alice Springs this weekend. Thank god I'm not driving an F250

[mikecmb]

Now that the gas plant has blown up I hope we dont get that crapy Singapore diesel again with out the additives for keeping seals healthy.

Last time a batch came into perth my fuel distributer went west and cost me around $350 to replace.

I think I will have to remove my fancy roofrack it adds an extra litre per 100ks and the bullbar could come off as well theres another 1/2 a litre per 100 ks.

I dont need either around town and they can go back on for a bush trip.

Must put some injector clean through the tank as well.

My td5 used to get 9 litres per 100ks when new without mods its getting around 11 at present.

I am so glad I sold the SS ute it used to get around 18 litres per 100ks but it was a lot of fun.:twisted:

Mike

[303gunner]

Hi Guys, we are also feeling the pain, Diesel is currently $1.79 ish for diesel, $2.00 for reular, God only knows for premium, sounds cheap huh, then factor in $3.00 per 100kms for 'Road User Tax' for diesel powered vehicles.That works on gross vehicle weight, so my Disco runs on a 3 ton sticker, ...
So working on the assumption that your TDi Disco gets, let's say 12l/100kms, your Road User Charges (http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/factsheets/38.html), add 25c to each of the 12 litres for 100kms, making the effective diesel price NZ$2.04. As the NZ/AU exchange rate is currently NZ$1.245=AU$1, your Diesel is AU$1.64.

You're right, that does sound cheap!

[JDNSW]

$1.905 here today, and the same at Wellington.

John

[Captain_Rightfoot]

We're about to go tripping to the gulf and western side of the cape. I expect the average to be well over $2 pl :(

[djam1]

Just to make you all feel better (not) I spoke to one of my cousins who works in Riyadh (Saudi Arabia) and they are paying 30 cents a litre.

[Slunnie]

$1.905 here today, and the same at Wellington.

John
Thats insane.

Otown is 185.9, Yetholme is 184.9, North Richmond is 179.9

Shell:
Lithgow 184.9
Mudgee 185.9
Yetholme 182.9
Bathurst 185.9
Orange 185.4
Wellington 191.9
Dubbo 188.0
Cobar 187.9
Broken Hill 184.9

Currently heading west, the most expensive diesel is at Wellington of all places!

Check this website out. I've just come across it, and it will tell you the fuel prices for every shell service station in Aus, and an interesting comparison.

Shell in Australia - Price Search Petrol Pricing (http://www.shell.com/home/page/au-en/shell_for_motorists/petrol_pricing/price_search/app_price_search_0221.html)

[LandyAndy]

The WA Gov are now looking into releasing EMERGENCY Diesel stored on Perths Naval base,Garden Island!!!!
Andrew

[EchiDna]

The WA Gov are now looking into releasing EMERGENCY Diesel stored on Perths Naval base,Garden Island!!!!
Andrew
probably because they have at least a few hundred thousand litres and they probably paid 1/3 of the current price for it :)... a tidy little earner!

[Slunnie]

probably because they have at least a few hundred thousand litres and they probably paid 1/3 of the current price for it :)... a tidy little earner!
Until they need to resupply the fuel. Perhaps they're really getting rid of it before it ages too much.

[303gunner]

Check this website out. I've just come across it, and it will tell you the fuel prices for every shell service station in Aus,......
Another website that covers every fuel company servo, but only in the Metro areas, is MotorMouth (http://motormouth.com.au/default_nf.aspx).

But get this: MotorMouth has been around for quite a few years now, but about 5 years ago the website's name was FuelWatch.com! Kinda eerie, de ja vu feeling, or what?

[CraigE]

i (relatively) lucked out yesterday. all in adelaide the average price was 1.69. my brother and i did a day trip for the border track(see sa section :) ) and needed fuel at tailem bend. the shell there had it at 1.59!!!!!

how sad it is, that i can rejoice at 1.59.
Yeah, but the diesel pump for the shell is sitting down by the punt and its nice Murray River diesel they are selling you. Thats why its cheap.
:p

[CraigE]

Here is an idea for some of you that can wangle a deal with your employer.
I have a mate in the Kimberleys,he has a company fuelcard for use on his personal vehicle.He is responsible for all fuel on the card,he gets it at the company price,not the bowser price,plus he salary sacrifices the fortnightly fuel bill.
I dont really understand salary sacrafice,except it lowers your tax bill.
Worth looking into if its available to you.
Andrew
From the info from HR you can on do some of this if you live in a remote area as dictated by the ATO and your company has to also wan to do it for you. We can do it with rent. I think most people can do it with a laptop.
Cheers
CraigE

[feral]

Here we go.......

A little pro-active action that Aussie's are too compliant to do :eek:

Thousands join protests on Europe's roads | theage.com.au (http://www.theage.com.au/world/thousands-join-protests-on-europes-roads-20080610-2oiv.html)


"CONCERNS are growing that there will be a summer of co-ordinated fuel protests after tens of thousands of Spanish truck drivers blocked roads and the French border, sparking similar action in Portugal and France, while unions across Europe prepared new action over petrol and diesel prices."


The Hume Hwy looks good :wasntme:

:D

[LandyAndy]

Bit the bullet and filled Blackbetty up today.$161.00,$1.855CPL I think:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:,extra annoying the most Ive ever paid to fill her and the lowest ever Ks from a tank,570km.V8 territory:mad::mad::mad::mad:.Bring on the Nanocom,things are out of control under the hood!!!!! MAF sensor surely?????
She has done 2 big loads of wood which is around a 90km return trip each but that uneconomy is SO WRONG:mad::mad::mad::mad:
Andrew

[stock]

filled the car to day @e1.419/l that is aus2.34/l so lets hear your comments on this

[Yorkshire_Jon]

just to put a smile on your faces...

I drove past a pump in the south of the UK today & diesel was £1.999. Yeah thats right, £2 per f******* litre. ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS. If ever there was a time to leave this little island, its surely not far away.

Have to say though, the average price in the uk is about £1.33 /litre. Still shocking though.

I fear we will NEVER see your prices again on this side of the water.

Blame it on the government...

[samuelclarke]

I'm not all that old - a couple of months off 22 - but I remember the days of diesel being around $0.60/L when we lived in North Queensland...that was only 12-15 years ago. Sure there is the inflation factor - but I would argue that wages haven't gone up to compensate.

Making my own biodiesel is becoming not just a romantic idea, but will start to be a necessity soon - that's if it will be possible to source used oil!

[Dinty]

G'day All, Just for comparison, here is a line or two from another forum, the person was in Iran a few days ago, now in Pakistan read on and wonder why!!!
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Location: Iran

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Actually, make that 73 pence...
We're in Iran, and the first time that I filled up the rear tank (about 72litres) with diesel, it cost me 20,000Rials, which is about 1.13 pounds (no pound sign on this keyboard). The next time I filled up, the guy dispensed 74litres (spilling the obligatory 2 or 3 litres on the ground, so probably only 72 in the tank), it cost me 13,000Rials, which is about 73pence!!! That's less than 1pence per litre, or 4 1/2pence per gallon!!

No problems with the quality so far, I am adding Millers diesel additive jic and changing filters more often. It seems less smelly that the stuff in Syria (ie less sulphur maybe), perhaps they've started to cut the content and improve the quality. The diesel in Syria was 25p/litre, the locals were complaining because a month previous it had been 15p/litre

Internet access a bit irregular at the moment, but I'll try and sort some photos out sometime.

http://www.s2cforum.com/forum/Smileys/default/cheers_man.gif
Fid
diesel hasn't been that cheap in Oz since since the very early 60's, back then it was 1 shilling (10 cents) a gallon (4 1/2 litres) cheers Dennis:wasntme:

[RonMcGr]

Petrol Prices| The Australian (http://media.theaustralian.news.com.au/nich/20080616_petrol_prices.htm)

[Treads]

Location: Iran


Wouldn't live there even if fuel was $50 dollars a litre here.....:rocket:

[Dinty]

G'day All, And needless to say neither would I, but when you read about other places around the globe where fellow Land Rover enthusiasts are travelling through (and this couple rolled their pride and joy) and you read about how friendly the locals are and willingness to help in any situation it just puts a different slant on the rubbish that is in the media daily, we will walking soon, pity anyone who has distance between them and their place of employment etc anyway cheers Dennis:wasntme:

[FenianEel]

filled the car to day @e1.419/l that is aus2.34/l so lets hear your comments on this

You could "truck it" to the North and make a tidy profit, as some of my rele's used to :twisted: :D

[mudmouse]

Got the mother in law over from NZ for a week.................:angel:

She said ULP is $2.12/litre there.:o

Diesel is about $1.80 but you can't compare that with our prices because of their pricing structure.

'spensive eh bro

[stock]

have to drive 225km round trip for the new government job and that is costing me $33au a day drivin the corolla ,took the disco to day cost $70 plus what the wife spent on the gear for the wedding in two weeks maybe I should have stayed in the private sector a while longer

[FenianEel]

You need to get higher up in the public service, somewhere near Bertie's "suitcases of cash" mates :D

[JDNSW]

"June 18 (Bloomberg) -- Western Australia, suffering a 30 percent cut in natural gas deliveries caused by an explosion at an offshore plant, said diesel demand has risen 40 percent since the incident."

Need to say anything more?

[Treads]

Diesel here:
Caltex/Woolies - $175.9
Shell/Coles - $182.9
Mobil - $188.9

How does that work? The coles & woolies prices are before the 4 cents a liter voucher too :eek:

What's mobil's game?

[George130]

Diesel here:
Caltex/Woolies - $175.9
Shell/Coles - $182.9
Mobil - $188.9

How does that work? The coles & woolies prices are before the 4 cents a liter voucher too :eek:

What's mobil's game?
Your doing well.
We are at $1.899

[Piddler]

$1.90.9 in North West Tasmania it seems to go up every 2 days

[Piddler]

Stop press later in the day now $1.93.9

[hiline]

Alpine Diesel in Mansfield today is at $1:91.........:mad:

[Bundalene]

Today! Diesel $194.9 per litre at Carlingford - Sydney (Pennant Hills Road)

[LandyAndy]

The GWN news lists the cheapest fuel prices around the states main towns at the end of the news(ex fuelwatch).Kununarra tommorow 199.99cpl:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: Wouldnt want to go to the dearest shop in town:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: @ 199.99 thats $190 to fill an empty D2 SCAREY STUFF
Verve Energy(the WA Power Generators) are burning 3 MILLION litres of diesel a day in leu of the gas thats not available.They are now talking DECEMBER at the earliest till the blown up gas plant is back in action!!!! All refineries in Australia are at peak production to supply WA,one refinery has a breakdown and the POO hits the fan BIGTIME,watch and see!!!!
Nevermind what will happen over here when these re-commissioned old dinosaur powerstations spit the dummy because they arent up to it.They are even pumping BIOMASS into a couple of the old retired Muja powerstations just to keep them almost a little bit green.
OVER $2 a litre for diesel by the end of the month all over aussie!!!!
I find it hard to believe that any State can put most of their eggs in one basket after Victorias Longford gas debacle.
BRING ON HOMER SIMPSONS POWERPLANTS:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
Andrew

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OVER $2 a litre for diesel by the end of the month all over aussie!!!!
At this price it is still cheap. Read The Oil Drum: Australia/New Zealand | Australia's Oil-Based Energy Security (http://anz.theoildrum.com/node/4187#more) on ideas to make Australia oil import free in 5 years.

[Fusion]

$1.83.9 here in Colac but waiting for another jump :(. The 4 cent dock is worth it now when putting $150 in the tank and it's still not full :eek:.

[Sprint]

still $1.789 in emerald, central qld

doubt its for long though

[simonr23]

thought i'd re-hash this topic. now that i've noticed petrol come down(and admittedly, here, diesel has dropped a couple of cents) i still find it unacceptable that diesel is, overall, nearly 40cpl more than petrol this morning. 1.859 avg vs 1.469.

[ATH]

44cpl over the unleaded price of $1.44 yesterday at the BP in Subiaco WA. The reason apparently is that demand for diesel is still very strong but has dropped of a bit for petrol.
Of course it wouldn't be anything to do with the fact that Australia runs on diesel and they can charge what they like for it, would it?
Happy LRing even if it's not cheap.
Alan.

[Slunnie]

Did the slow down of this thread reflect the changing prices of diesel.

After a peak here of what I think was 198.9, Orange has now been selling for the last few days at 177.9.

You beauty I was thinking until I drove about down the road last weekend for a bit of a play around Lithgow, and filled up for 168.9 at Yetholme on the way home.

30c/litre difference from peak until now! With a 150 litre fuel tank, thats good value with about $40 savings per fill (130 litres) difference per tank.

[Narangga]

Still flowing through the bowser at 210.0 cents per litre here. That's been the maximum and it hasn't come down in over 3 weeks. :(

[jerryd]

I paid $1.50 at Woolies earlier today, that's after the 4 cents per litre discount.