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[clean32]

ok the question every one has asked before,

The D1 is going to be a keeper, the camping kit is all but sorted, and the misses loved our first trip and night under the stars.

So being sensible, and with out overly deep pockets, what would you do to a D1 and in what order. the idea being that as Minime gets a bit older we can cover more ground and be a bit more adventurous and the mods will increase as well

[Fusion]

Howdy mate , Have you any mods on the disco so far ?

you could get a cheaper lift ( 2" ) ironman for $550 i think off ebay ?
Safari snorkel .... pretty expensive but worth every penny so i have been told .
Maxxis bighorns are a cheaper tyre but a great tyre at the same time .

I'm trying to do all this myself as we speak ;):D.

[loanrangie]

This is the order i went on my TDI -

koni shocks - which i already had

fit gme uhf - i already had

snorkle - so i could free up the battery compartment

dual batt system - once room for batt was there

winch and bar - now i could power the winch

camel cut to rear guards

steel rims with 265/75/16 MTś - i had rims and tyres from previous rangie

lifted springs going in next weekend

make a storage system

Most of this was done in strategic order as i could or when the parts were sourced ( ie scrounged ) should have done springs when i fitted the shocks but budget wouldnt allow.

[clean32]

Howdy mate , Have you any mods on the disco so far ?

you could get a cheaper lift ( 2" ) ironman for $550 i think off ebay ?
Safari snorkel .... pretty expensive but worth every penny so i have been told .
Maxxis bighorns are a cheaper tyre but a great tyre at the same time .

I'm trying to do all this myself as we speak ;):D.

ironman cool i will have that,

snorkel i don’t think that’s for me just yet. its so hard to turn air velocity into pressure, what I have done is run a flex tube from the box to under the bumper up front, at least you get cold air when not moving, just pop it off when in the dirt.


I have seen your posts, its and others its just a bit hard to get it all in one place, and advice, like the ironmans, cheaper than others sure, but do they work, and where do they work best, are they the compromise that’s suited to me and my usage??

[clean32]

TY

am i missing some thing here, the snorkel removes the airbox?? to make room for anothere battery ??

what shocks, ## and what springs? how is the driveline angles with a lift ??

cheers




This is the order i went on my TDI -

koni shocks - which i already had

fit gme uhf - i already had

snorkle - so i could free up the battery compartment

dual batt system - once room for batt was there

winch and bar - now i could power the winch

camel cut to rear guards

steel rims with 265/75/16 MTś - i had rims and tyres from previous rangie

lifted springs going in next weekend

make a storage system

Most of this was done in strategic order as i could or when the parts were sourced ( ie scrounged ) should have done springs when i fitted the shocks but budget wouldnt allow.

[Fusion]

ironman cool i will have that,

snorkel i don’t think that’s for me just yet. its so hard to turn air velocity into pressure, what I have done is run a flex tube from the box to under the bumper up front, at least you get cold air when not moving, just pop it off when in the dirt.


I have seen your posts, its and others its just a bit hard to get it all in one place, and advice, like the ironmans, cheaper than others sure, but do they work, and where do they work best, are they the compromise that’s suited to me and my usage??

Ironman is a little stiffer than some in the ride but is good for offroad. Buying a set off V8landy in the next few weeks ;).
you get what you pay for really but i think the ironman stuff is worth it if the wallet is light .

[p38arover]

am i missing some thing here, the snorkel removes the airbox?? to make room for anothere battery ??

The intake trumpet from the airbox extends over the place where a second battery would be fitted (currently occupied by the jack).

A snorkel brings the air in from the side, not the front so the trumpet can be removed and the hole plugged.

[discopete]

If I was starting from scratch and current suspension was OK I'd do a 2 inch body lift put some 235/85/16 goodyear mtr/cooper stt tyres on, a snorkle, and possibly a truetrac LSD in the rear. Then if you need extra suspension travel new springs and shocks.

Pete

[V8Landy]

Depending on what sort of terrain you are driving on(if you do mainly beach then go at's if mainly mud go muddies ect)This will judge what you do first.If you want to run big tyers i would start with a body lift.
Then-Lifted suspension
Tyres and offset rims
Lockers
This all leads to an offroad weapon:twisted::twisted::twisted:
But as i said depends on where you do your offroading and how much dough you have.Hope this helps cheers Brett

[clean32]

now thats a suprise, body lift first before springs

any links to kits etc wouldint know where to start with a body lift

[V8Landy]

This kit is meant to be really good i'm trying to decide weather to wait to be able to afford it or go for a ceaper kit.Cheers Brett
Les Richmond Automotive P/L (http://www.lrautomotive.com.au/165.html)

Cheap kit just scroll down for the prices
Body Lift Kits-Updated list and pricing Page 6 - Page 6 - Australian 4WD Action Online Forums (http://www.4wdmonthly.com.au/forum/showthread.php't=47867&page=6)

[clean32]

50mm Polyeruthane Body Lift Kits

looks ok, i am in Brisbane latter in the month for a few weeks,
i have flicked him an email,

Just need to sort out this gear shift X 2
Radiator drop
Steering extension??

any one used his kits? anything else i should know about before starting?
any solutions for the above problems ??

[clean32]

Ok, so this no one on this site who has fitted a body lift to there disco??

[Blknight.aus]

stick your 2 inch body lift in your ear and do a 2 inch suspension lift.

a 2 inch body lift doesnt get tha chassis any further off the ground and requires butt loads of work to do properly (you dont get much stretch in the brake pipes) where as a 2 inch suspension lift is a as simple as

1. remove brake hoses
2. remove spings +shocks
3. change bumpstops
4. insert new springs+ shocks
5. insert new brake hoses and bleed the brakes..

[jddisco200tdi]

1. Get a cargo barrier if you haven't already. Don't want to wear all that camping gear in the back of the head.

2. Recovery points and recovery gear.

3. Air compressor.

4. Tyres to suit purpose.

[clean32]

1. Get a cargo barrier if you haven't already. Don't want to wear all that camping gear in the back of the head.

2. Recovery points and recovery gear.

3. Air compressor.

4. Tyres to suit purpose.


Cargo barrier, ARB up front with hooks, towbar, compressor under bonnet. 1.3 meter jack, a couple of mats and carpet rolls. that’s about it, I don’t think I will be going so hard core, this is more young family stuff, having said that I don’t want to get stranded with a young family or a WIFE lol.

My thinking and feal free to correct me.
I would rather go for a body lift than changing the springs. Reason? well changing the springs changes all sorts of geometry stuff, it also affects on road handling heaps. Now as I think for every 100klm on the black stuff would equate to 5klm on the dirty stuff. So I am concerned about road handling ( at this time), a body lift basically will not affect this as much and a spring lift will, but it will give me a greater option of rubber.
lastly I would not say I am an experienced 4X4 driver, in the aussie sense, though I doubt anyone has the cold skills I have ( picture attached) ( there’s a post to a link of some guys driving though Russia, its rubbish the guys are doing it wrong)

This is something for the family,, I don’t want to be a hero and have a balls out 4x4 ( impressive as they are), I just want something that’s safe and practicable for our intended use. If a track gets to hard or uncomfortable, we will just turn around simple.

[V8Landy]

Cargo barrier, ARB up front with hooks, towbar, compressor under bonnet. 1.3 meter jack, a couple of mats and carpet rolls. that’s about it, I don’t think I will be going so hard core, this is more young family stuff, having said that I don’t want to get stranded with a young family or a WIFE lol.

My thinking and feal free to correct me.
I would rather go for a body lift than changing the springs. Reason? well changing the springs changes all sorts of geometry stuff, it also affects on road handling heaps. Now as I think for every 100klm on the black stuff would equate to 5klm on the dirty stuff. So I am concerned about road handling ( at this time), a body lift basically will not affect this as much and a spring lift will, but it will give me a greater option of rubber.
lastly I would not say I am an experienced 4X4 driver, in the aussie sense, though I doubt anyone has the cold skills I have ( picture attached) ( there’s a post to a link of some guys driving though Russia, its rubbish the guys are doing it wrong)

This is something for the family,, I don’t want to be a hero and have a balls out 4x4 ( impressive as they are), I just want something that’s safe and practicable for our intended use. If a track gets to hard or uncomfortable, we will just turn around simple.

If you buy qaulity(or even half decent)suspension,It will change the handling for the better no doubt about this it will be a huge difference.As blknight said it is easier but only go 2".As i said to fit bigger rubber say 33" and up i personally would go body lift first but if i was only going to go to approx 31" or 245/75r16 then i would definately go suspension this sounds like what you are after saying light family stuff.Body lifts i think may need an engineers cert best to check with your local authorities.And i agree with jddisco200tdi recovery and safety is extremely important especially with kids around.Hope this makes things a little clearer Cheers Brett

P.s where is the pic

[smally4.6]

clean32
ive done a 40mm body lift and a 3 inch suspension lift to my disco
if i had to pick between the 2 , go for the suspension lift its easier to fit!!!
cheers brett

[clean32]

Ok suspention lift, is easier to fit, but on compression it gives you little real options in Tyers. Secondly it will lift 100% centre of mass, and that cant be a good thing ( handling) also it will decrease the track, change geometry, and ad load to the X joins.
on the other hand a suspension lift, that initially feels like it has improved road holding, will have defiantly degraded its of road holding.

a body lift will give you a choice of rubber, and it will leave most of the vehicles mass lower, ground clearance is improved ( tyres) and road holding would have been compromised a lot less.

Just my thoughts, please comment

[PeterM]

The factory suspension is a compromise and built to a budget. A decent aftermarket kit will improve or maintain the road manners while enhancing off-road prowess, if that is what you are looking for. It depends on what you want as a priority as to what you buy.

Body lift. Yes I've done it to get better clearance after fitting larger tyres. Mind you, I also had to go chopping guards to make room in the arches for these tyres. Given that you have stated your intent as a capable family vehicle you are better off going with a quality suspension kit (yes it will alter geometries but not excessively if you stick to about 50mm lift) and something in the region of a 225 or 235/75 tyre.

Cost ratio wise, body lift if you go 50mm will be something in the order of $1900+ and suspension all 'round (springs & dampers) would be a few hundred less. I'm guessing you still have the std suspension fitted. If so, the stock dampers would be well past it and need replacing anyway.

[discopete]

Cost ratio wise, body lift if you go 50mm will be something in the order of $1900+ and suspension all 'round (springs & dampers) would be a few hundred less. I'm guessing you still have the std suspension fitted. If so, the stock dampers would be well past it and need replacing anyway.


I just paid about $300 for a 50mm body lift kit and will install over a weekend myself, hopefully. $1900+ sounds like you had a doctor install it. ;)

Pete

[PeterM]

I was being generous as you never know where the work is going to get done! Naturally the labour invovled in getting this all done is a significant expense, fine if you have the facilities/skills to do it yourself.

$300!! Does that include the extensions to the transfer case and gear levers, extension to the steering rack & brake lines as well as the modified top mounts for the radiator?

[discopete]

I was being generous as you never know where the work is going to get done! Naturally the labour invovled in getting this all done is a significant expense, fine if you have the facilities/skills to do it yourself.

$300!! Does that include the extensions to the transfer case and gear levers, extension to the steering rack & brake lines as well as the modified top mounts for the radiator?

G'day Peter,
yeh, I know how prices can vary I'm going the other extreme. Although, it probably could be done cheaper again.
The kit I got from rovertym has the transfer lever extension, steering extension and modified radiator mounts and seat belt extensions. I've then ordered 4 inch extended braided brake lines from paddock spare for about $120 delivered.

Cheers,
Pete

[clean32]

rovertym

?? who?? got a link ??

[2_door]

Rovertym Engineering (http://www.rovertym.com/)

:D

[Fusion]

Howdy Clean, Mate i have fitted the 2 inch lift to my disco and it handles 100 times better than standard stuff . It feels more stable on the road (less body roll) . I got the ironman stuff and it is a little stiff but way better . Would leave the body lift unless you are going to be fitting huge wheels . I'm thinking of a body lift as i have 32's i want to put on but it will only be a 1 inch lift not 2.:)

[clean32]

I had a hard long look at te iron man stuff, unfortunatly thay cant give me much in the line of numbers / loading, progresive loadings/rebound rates etc so i cant do the maths, no maths = no sale,

a spring/ shock lift will happen, but i think its better
to get the clearance issue sorted first.


Howdy Clean, Mate i have fitted the 2 inch lift to my disco and it handles 100 times better than standard stuff . It feels more stable on the road (less body roll) . I got the ironman stuff and it is a little stiff but way better . Would leave the body lift unless you are going to be fitting huge wheels . I'm thinking of a body lift as i have 32's i want to put on but it will only be a 1 inch lift not 2.:)

[BustRucket]

Anyone know what the legalities are like in Vic with Bodylifts and airbags. (The ones that pop out of the steering wheel and smack you in the face, not the one that make it a cushy ride)