Help with identifying some S2 bits.

[Sleepy]

Hello,
I need some help identifying a few bits on my 1960 SII ute.
As a novice with older landies I would like to work out what is authentic or perhaps a modification before I commence the restoration. I had hoped purchasing the parts catalogue would help but I find no mention of the following bits so I thought I'd throw it up for comments.

1. The only mention in the manual of the horn button is in the centre of the steering wheel but mine is blanked off and has the button on a stalk to the RHS of the steering column.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2008/05/362.jpg (http://www.aulro.com/app/showphoto.php/photo/10024)
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2008/05/363.jpg (http://www.aulro.com/app/showphoto.php/photo/10025)


2. The turn indicator switch is "FOXTON" brand and I haven't seen this type before. Original or aftermarket mod?

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2008/05/364.jpg (http://www.aulro.com/app/showphoto.php/photo/10023)

3. What is this thing? (Waterbag holder?)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2008/05/365.jpg (http://www.aulro.com/app/showphoto.php/photo/10026)

Thanks in advance

[101RRS]

Certainly the slightly earlier 57/8 series 1 had that horn button (and I thought the very early series 2 were the same). As far as the indicator switch is concerned that was certainly a period option for the late series 1s. So if the series 2 did not have indicators then if fitted later, that switch would have been used.

Cheers

Garry

[JDNSW]

1. Horn button setup is standard from about 1954 (Series 1) to 1967 Series 2a.

2. Turn indicator switch is a more or less contemporary after market one - I don't recognise that brand, but since turn indicators were not compulsory they were not fitted to most 2/2a Landrovers until close to the end of 2a production. It was common to fit these or similar ones during the sixties - I know I did to mine in about 1964 and again to its replacement in 1966.

3. This bracket is a contemporary water bag hanger. With a bit of a search it is likely you can find a new one to suit it, as water bags are still available - try camping shops.

John

[Aaron IIA]

For some reason, I can't see your pictures, so I will go by your descriptions.
1. The horn setup is original for Series II Land Rovers.
2. Series I and II Land Rovers were not originally fitted with indicators. They are still not needed, and I will be pulling them off of mine. The Foxton model seems to be a common unit fitted to Land Rovers during this period. If you want to keep indicators, a better unit to use is the Tex Magna-Lite model as fitted to Series IIA vehicles. It has an auto-cancelling wheel.
Aaron.

[Sleepy]

Thanks all for your prompt responses.
(I thought that was a water bag holder!!)

Aaron,
Not sure why you can't see the pix (I'm a bit of a novice at that too;)).
They are in my gallery too.
The Foxton control is still operative so if it is contemporary, I'll probably tidy it up and reuse it. I'm not too keen on removing the indicators, as I will be using it on road. Also the indicator lights are in good knick so probably just leave them. I would have sworn they were factory fit given the shape of the rear end galvanised strip but obviously an "optional" extra or after market mod.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2008/05/348.jpg (http://www.aulro.com/app/showphoto.php/photo/9782)

Whilst my intentions are too restore it as a "true" series 2 - I am not a rivet counter. (........yet?):D:D

Thanks all for your input, I'm sure I'll have lots more Q's.:angel::angel:

[UncleHo]

G'day Sleepy :)

The horn button is standard for the early Series 2 vehicles, 58/60 only, and then went to the horn button in the steering wheel centre, they are quite rare now, the blinker switch and possibly blinker kit was a period option at the time, these units were available through most good motor spares places, Repco stocked this Foxton Kit, It was similar to the Campbell brand, and had a little light in the end, these were often fitted to BMC/Leyland Commercial vehicles by the dealers as I remember these well, the later Landrover one slightly different,although the front blinker lanps are the correct Lucas type for the era with the chrome ring held on by 2 screws, what is the chassis number of this vehicle? :confused: as I might be able to year model date it for you, if it has blinkers on it I would recommend that you keep them, as most cars (including Vintage/Veteran as well as Classic) have them fitted for safety reasons, as it is you and your vehicle, that will suffer if an inattentive or poor motorist fails to see a hand sign :( The later 2's and 2a's had Magnatex blinker switches.

Going by the dashboard and the vent knobs also the transmission gearbox inspection plate with dipsticked beabox I would put your vehicle as 58/59 model :)

cheers

[Sleepy]

what is the chassis number of this vehicle?

Going by the dashboard and the vent knobs also the transmission gearbox inspection plate with dipsticked beabox I would put your vehicle as 58/59 model :)


Thanks Uncle Ho,

It has Ser 153001102 with RMC 22398B on the engine.

A bit more info here http://www.aulro.com/afvb/projects-tutorials/55299-my-1960-sii-ute.html#post729941

What is a dipsticked beabox?

[UncleHo]

G'day Sleepy :)

That is a nice early 1960 Series 2 vehicle in fact it is No 1101 1st vehicle built as a Rh/steering CKD kit for 1960 :) and the engine No looks like it is a Factory Reconditioned Motor No22398b, and a dipsticked gearbox is, under that little flap, which you can slide away sideways is a dipstick for measuring the oil level in the main gearbox (but NOT the Transfer box) it was a feature that was dropped in 1961,so if it still has the original box in it it will have the dipstick in it:) it is marked with a high and low mark on it.

Just had a look at the other thread, WOW! what a grand little haul of spare parts, that lot would be worth hundreds if not a K at todays prices! and that looks very like a complete and ORIGINAL tool kit!!!!!!!!! you lucky lucky boy, those markings under the seats could be factory (PMC) or departmental, this vehicle could have been a Commonwealth Department's vehicle and had "C" plates on it, or State Govt. that was de-registered before auction sale. The rusty outrigger is now available as a repair part and would be the easiest way to do it, by keeping the chassis you will kep it's originality, if you change chassis it becomes the year model of the chassis No, IE 1967 or whatever, so repair your chassis, when I was at Cooma for the 60th anniversary, there were restored vehicles that the owners had spent 1,000's of dollars just getting the original parts and tools for, so you have been lucky enough to get a totally original vehicle with tools, treasure it.

cheers

[JDNSW]

G'day Sleepy :)

The horn button is standard for the early Series 2 vehicles, 58/60 only, ......

Series 2A parts book gives them as up to suffix 'C' - which is well after 1960! They were also fitted to Series 1, but I'm not sure from what date, possibly about the start of 88 or maybe earlier.

John

[UncleHo]

G'day JDNSW :)

Yes, that is correct for UK, but this being a CKD vehicle the horn went to the steering in compliance with australian rules, same as the blinkers on Aust vehicles were verticle on the front guards instead of horizontal as on UK built vehicles, something to do with visability, there are several little variations in from Home Market vehicles to CKD units.


cheers

[Sleepy]

Thanks Uncle Ho,

Yes, other than the chassis, I am very happy with it. Everything still works, motor runs fine, 4wd systems ok, brakes - probably a little tired but still work. I am not convinced the chassis is unrepairable, although is very sad - every outrigger is shot and rear x member and one of the main rails will also need attention.

I have a 67 donor also but this was a 6cyl (no motor now) and I'm not sure that the 67 chassis will not change the identity of the vehicle. Whilst I'm not aiming for a nut-n-bolt restoration, I would like to return it to it's 1960's running order.

The strange bit was that there was a very old dymo label attached next to the battery which read "negative earth" yet the vehicle is clearly positive earth(????)

I slid the flap back but couldn't find a dipstick - perhaps reco Gearbox too?

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2008/05/342.jpg (http://www.aulro.com/app/showphoto.php/photo/10041)

(Edit - I think you have answered the chassis question, I will try to repair - #insert nervous anxious smiley here#)