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Loaded
11th May 2008, 08:11 PM
Apparently there is a new mite spreading around the world that is effecting bees and there habitat lively hood. They reckon that they could wipe out bees so no pollination so no food.
Apparently Australia is one of only a few country's not affected yet and we are currently transporting Bees to America to keep them alive.
Why cant we have people run through plantations spraying the good stuff on flowers to make them work / pollinate.
Are we really that reliant on an insect for food production ???.

ladas
11th May 2008, 08:15 PM
Apparently there is a new mite spreading around the world that is effecting bees and there habitat lively hood. They reckon that they could wipe out bees so no pollination so no food.
Apparently Australia is one of only a few country's not affected yet and we are currently transporting Bees to America to keep them alive.
Why cant we have people run through plantations spraying the good stuff on flowers to make them work / pollinate.
Are we really that reliant on an insect for food production ???.

We use to export bees to the US - until they found that it was AU bees causing some infections - not because of our bees being bad - but just because they were from different strains with different imune systems

RonMcGr
12th May 2008, 06:10 AM
Apparently there is a new mite spreading around the world that is effecting bees and there habitat lively hood. They reckon that they could wipe out bees so no pollination so no food.
Apparently Australia is one of only a few country's not affected yet and we are currently transporting Bees to America to keep them alive.
Why cant we have people run through plantations spraying the good stuff on flowers to make them work / pollinate.
Are we really that reliant on an insect for food production ???.

Very true!
I hope the scientists find a way to correct it.
Without the Bee, we are stuffed, big time! :(

WhiteD3
12th May 2008, 06:23 AM
I listened to a podcast from The Science Show on this topic some weeks ago. Basically the story is a beat up by the US press. Yes, there is an issue in isolated parts of the US, but that's all.

I "think" this is the story I listened to http://www.abc.net.au/rn/scienceshow/stories/2007/2093353.htm

Bigbjorn
12th May 2008, 07:36 AM
Apparently there is a new mite spreading around the world that is effecting bees and there habitat lively hood. They reckon that they could wipe out bees so no pollination so no food.
Apparently Australia is one of only a few country's not affected yet and we are currently transporting Bees to America to keep them alive.
Why cant we have people run through plantations spraying the good stuff on flowers to make them work / pollinate.
Are we really that reliant on an insect for food production ???.

The mind boggles at the thought of Australian males running through cultivation and orchard spreading their pollen.

RonMcGr
12th May 2008, 07:45 AM
I listened to a podcast from The Science Show on this topic some weeks ago. Basically the story is a beat up by the US press. Yes, there is an issue in isolated parts of the US, but that's all.

You mean, so far, it is confined to the USA!

Tango51
12th May 2008, 09:25 AM
The mind boggles at the thought of Australian males running through cultivation and orchard spreading their pollen.

Yes it does boggle at that Brian!
It's the females that fly through orchards and pollinate, the males do a different pollination job:o:p

Tango51
12th May 2008, 09:28 AM
I thought it was world wide, definitely in NZ now?
I thought we were the last place unaffected, but we face the inevitable of %150 increase of food prices when it gets here?
And that is also inevitable?

Are they just freaking us out again?

jimbo110
12th May 2008, 09:42 AM
Varroa Mite | MAF Biosecurity New Zealand (http://www.biosecurity.govt.nz/pests-diseases/animals/varroa.htm)

Found in:

[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php'title=Varroa_destructor&action=edit&section=3)] Introduction around the world


Early 1960s Japan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan), USSR (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USSR)
1960s-1970s Eastern Europe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Europe)
1971 Brazil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil)
Late 1970s South America (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_America)
1982 France (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France)
1984 Switzerland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland), Spain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain), Italy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy)
1987 Portugal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portugal)
1987 USA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA)
1989 Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada)
1992 England (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England)
2000 New Zealand (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand) (North Island (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Island))
2006 New Zealand (South Island (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Island)) [1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varroa_destructor#cite_note-0)
2007 Hawaiian Islands (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaiian_Islands) [2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varroa_destructor#cite_note-1)[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varroa_destructor#cite_note-2)

RonMcGr
12th May 2008, 10:01 AM
I thought it was world wide, definitely in NZ now?
I thought we were the last place unaffected, but we face the inevitable of %150 increase of food prices when it gets here?
And that is also inevitable?

Are they just freaking us out again?

Believe me, if it does get here, it will have a massive effect on food items.
One third of the food we eat is dependent on pollinators. We couldn't grow these foods if we didn't have bees or other insects to pollinate these crops.

Vegetables such as cucumbers, squash, and some varieties of peas and beans must also have bees to have a yield.

Clover and alfalfa pastures and forage legumes must have bees if they are to make their own seeds. Otherwise the farmer must buy expensive seed to replant the pasture.

Our beef is indirectly dependent upon pollination. Clover and alfalfa are very rich in protein and make up about 1/3 of the diet of cows. Cows also eat grasses and grains, but these don't have as much protein. So cows need the clover, alfalfa, and legumes which need the bees. Bees, then, are a very important part in our supply of beef, milk, cheese, and other milk products.

wovenrovings
12th May 2008, 10:02 AM
Does anyone know if it affects the Australian native bees? Or just European/African bees, the stripey ones.

jx2mad
12th May 2008, 10:16 AM
I too have bees. I started out with 3 hives in the back yard but am now down to 1. My problem as with much of Australia is the hive beetle. It lays its eggs in the hive and the larvae tunnel all through the comb, destroying it to the point where all the bees fly away and turn wild. This used to be a notifiable problem to the Dept of AG but it is now so widespread that they have lost any control if there is one. My last hive is surviving for the moment but as there is no way of preventing infestation it is only time before it is gone.

RonMcGr
12th May 2008, 10:37 AM
Does anyone know if it affects the Australian native bees? Or just European/African bees, the stripey ones.

The usual garden variety honey bee.
'Help us prevent an economic and ecological disaster', desperate beekeepers tell MPs | the Mail on Sunday (http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=561251&in_page_id=1770)
22nd April 2008

Britain faces a home-grown food crisis unless the Government steps in to protect the UK's threatened honey bees, beekeepers said yesterday.

They warned that honey bees - which are critical for pollinating crops as well as producing honey - are under threat from a mysterious disease which is spreading across the world.

Numbers of UK honey bees have been falling for years because of parasites and diseases. But bee experts fear numbers could be devastated if Britain is hit by Colony Collapse Disorder - a condition which has wiped out bee colonies in America and has reached France and Germany.

Hives and colonies hit by the condition abruptly lose all their worker bees. Scientists have yet to explain the disorder, although some experts have blamed disease, pollution, pesticides and even GM crops.

The British Beekeepers' Association (BBKA) said new research was essential to ward off the threat. Earlier this month, ministers revealed plans to protect honey bees in England and Wales.

However, the BBKA yesterday told MPs that there were "substantial shortcomings and omissions" in the 10 year strategy.

It wants the Government to spend £8 million on bee health research over the next five years.

BBKA president Tim Lovett said: "Does the Government want the nation to go without honey on their toast, not have home-grown strawberries to go with cream, and even put their own crusade for the public to eat five portions of fresh fruit and vegetables at risk?

"Food production is now an important issue and bees are central to it.

"We note that the US government immediately invested 80 million dollars (£40m) into research on the condition known as Colony Collapse Disorder, which has devastated their bee colonies, affecting pollination of the apple orchards, the almond and orange crops.

"CCD has not yet crossed the Channel from Europe, but we are urging the Government that it needs to be prepared should this happen. The central plank in that preparation is a better understanding of diseases and that needs research.

"Immediate action needs to be taken to avoid this economic and ecological disaster in the making."

The BBKA says pollination by honey bees contributes £165 million a year to the agricultural economy.

Honey bees play a crucial role in the production of home grown foods on farms, allotments and gardens.

There are between 200-300 commercial beekeepers in the UK and around 44,000 who keep bees purely as a hobby.

In recent years, numbers have been hit by the varroa mite, a pest which has spread to Britain from Asia. The mites feed on bees and make them more vulnerable to disease.

Lord Rooker, minister for sustainable farming and animal health, said: "There are a number of threats to bee health.

"We need to ensure that these can be tackled effectively and that requires a joint approach between Government and other stakeholders, most importantly individual beekeepers."

He added: "Some losses over winter are not unusual, particularly given the weather we've been experiencing last summer and this spring, as well as ongoing problems with varroa. Large scale inexplicable losses are being investigated, and bee inspectors will continue to investigate any others reported."

He said evidence seen by bee inspectors did not suggest the UK was facing the problems reported in America.

RonMcGr
12th May 2008, 10:43 AM
More links.

Beekeepers Report Continued Heavy Losses From Colony Collapse Disorder (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/05/080509111955.htm)

Honeybee deaths still on the rise - Milford, MA - The Milford Daily News (http://www.milforddailynews.com/archive/x1880504855/Honeybee-deaths-still-on-the-rise)

PA Farm News - New Research Announced for 'Honey Bee Colony Collapse Disorder' (http://www.pafarmnews.com/Articles/2008/080507_CCD.htm)

Colony Collapse Disorder - Evidence of an Epidemic Disease, Not Pesticide Poisoning - thedailygreen.com (http://www.thedailygreen.com/environmental-news/blogs/bees/colony-collapse-disorder-55050802)

Now that is the Bees knees..

stevo68
12th May 2008, 11:05 AM
There was also a movie that came out recently on bee's..I think it was even called "The Bee Movie" starring Jerry Seinfield :D:angel:, it showed the affects of no pollination,

Regards

Stevo

Bushwanderer
12th May 2008, 11:22 AM
Hi All,
This is a great example of the "interconnectedness of life". We, mostly, don't know what the consequences of our or others actions.

It is often said that the world will survive even if we don't. However what that world is may well be unrecognisable to us.

Best Wishes,

George130
12th May 2008, 11:30 AM
There is somewhere in Japan that has no Bees. The manualy polinate their crops and plants.

hodgo
12th May 2008, 11:42 AM
Very true!
I hope the scientists find a way to correct it.
Without the Bee, we are stuffed, big time! :(
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According to the 60 min program last night we are still exporting bees to the usa and they can not get enough of our little fellers

hodgo

Bushwanderer
12th May 2008, 11:44 AM
There is somewhere in Japan that has no Bees. The manualy polinate their crops and plants.

Hi George130,
I believe this also happens with tomato growers (if you know what I mean:)).

I also heard that there was a move to introduce the European bumblebee into Australia in order to remove this necessity. As far as I know, this move has been unsuccessful.

Best Wishes,

Loaded
13th May 2008, 05:16 PM
Thanks for the info. If Japan can still keep growing then it should be solvable fairly easily.

I still find it hard that one little insect could have a devastating effect. Better not step on any ants anymore or they might become endangered and cause another problem.

Bushwanderer
13th May 2008, 05:22 PM
Thanks for the info. If Japan can still keep growing then it should be solvable fairly easily.

I still find it hard that one little insect could have a devastating effect. Better not step on any ants anymore or they might become endangered and cause another problem.


Obviously, you don't follow the Buddhist philosophy!:o;)