Transplant?.........foolish??

[capel]

On a previous thread I tried to decipher a particular ailment, and potentially it could cost me around the 4K mark.

I have a friend, quite the LR nut, is getting a replacement V8 for his '86 County. The cost will be 7.5K drive out with a rear diff lock thrown in, or 5K for just the motor. Theres cam options and also options of the carbed 3.5 and injected 3.9, all the same money.

Would this be a good option for my '99 td5 defender with 178000km's, or will it make it potentially unsaleable if I ever decided to quit it.
I love the vehicle, in fact apart from the engine woes, couldn't really see myself ever getting anything else.

I'm aware the V8 LR's love a drink, but the 130 has such volume of cargo area, the gas option becomes viable in a big way, plus it's nearly a free fit (but for how much longer?)

Any advice eagerly absorbed.

Cheers, Craig.

[Blknight.aus]

I wouldnt but then Im the resident manual diesel nutter.

depending on how your going to go about getting the engineers reporting done and the gearbox mating done on a pure LPG conversion it shouldnt be too bad.

[jik22]

I wouldn't do that to a TD5, just because they are high value and well sought after, and I think it would kill the resale (I wouldn't buy a V8 ex-TD5 unless it was for V8 County money!).

I am still toying with doing it to my 110 though, but that's worth far less than any TD5.

[mcrover]

I would rather rebuild my TD5 10 times before I would go backward and fit a rover V8 plus engineering would be a hassle as well as restricking your range to the availablility of LPG as you wouldnt ever get it complianced on petrol unless you went for a 99 or later engine due to emisions.

Im not a fan of the TD5 but what could happen to one that you would consider doing such a thing.

If you wanted to go the conversion path I would slot in a 350 chev, a chev diesel or something out of a truck (like a 4bd1-t or that Toyota 13BT).

[DeeJay]

Just a footnote.
The LPG rebate was unaltered in the federal budget & will continue as originally planned.
I think the tax starts getting put on in 2010 & increases after that.
Regards

[RonMcGr]

I'm biased, I love the V8 :D
Cheap to fix, expensive to run but so much fun :D:D
The cost between diesel/V8 repairs, buys a hell of a lot of fuel..

[mcrover]

I'm biased, I love the V8 :D
Cheap to fix, expensive to run but so much fun :D:D
The cost between diesel/V8 repairs, buys a hell of a lot of fuel..


This has been done to death Ron.......you know that has been prooven to be incorrect due to the fact that you have to repair Petrol engines more often.:mad:

[Pedro_The_Swift]

This has been done to death Ron.......you know that has been prooven to be incorrect due to the fact that you have to repair Petrol engines more often.:mad:


ROLMAO!!!!:Rolling:

[RonMcGr]

This has been done to death Ron.......you know that has been prooven to be incorrect due to the fact that you have to repair Petrol engines more often.:mad:

Really??? :Rolling::Rolling::Rolling:
Proven??? :Rolling::Rolling::Rolling::Rolling:

Evidence?:angel:

[RonMcGr]

I would rather rebuild my TD5 10 times before I would fit a rover V8 .

Highly likely you would have to, as well :D

Lets see, Rebuild a 5 cyl diesel = $6,000 x 10 = $60,000
Rebuild a V8 = $3,000.
$60,000 - $3,000 = $57,000
Petrol $57,000@$1.50 = 38,000litres
38,000l @ 22l per 100km = 172,727.27km

Yeah mate, that makes good sense :eek::eek:

[p38arover]

Highly likely you would have to, as well :D

Lets see, Rebuild a 5 cyl diesel = $6,000 x 10 = $60,000
Rebuild a V8 = $3,000.
$60,000 - $3,000 = $57,000
Petrol $57,000@$1.50 = 38,000litres
38,000l @ 22l per 100km = 172,727.27km

Yeah mate, that makes good sense :eek::eek:

Bad maths there, Ron. The fuel consumption figure should be based on the difference in fuel economy.

Let's assume the Td5 gives an average of 11litres/100km and the V8 22litres.100km - that's a difference of 11 litres/100km. So you can double the distance you've given, i.e., 38,000 litre @11 litres/100km = 354,454km. (And we haven't taken into account the cost of diesel which is much higher.)

We won't mention the higher servicing costs of the diesel. OH, damn, I did. :(

[mcrover]

Highly likely you would have to, as well :D

Lets see, Rebuild a 5 cyl diesel = $6,000 x 10 = $60,000
Rebuild a V8 = $3,000.
$60,000 - $3,000 = $57,000
Petrol $57,000@$1.50 = 38,000litres
38,000l @ 22l per 100km = 172,727.27km

Yeah mate, that makes good sense :eek::eek:

38,000l @ 22l per 100km = 172,727.27km

38,000 @ 10l per 100km = 380,000 kms

SO.........in reality knowing that you really dont have to rebuild a diesel unless something major and out of the ordinary happens.

172,727.27km in a diesel $25909.10 so technically a saving of $31909.90 over the same distance.......thats enough for a bit over 5 rebuilds by your money and still have change to go for a bit more of a drive.

So how do ya like them apples Ron :o

[mcrover]

Bad maths there, Ron. The fuel consumption figure should be based on the difference in fuel economy.

Let's assume the Td5 gives an average of 11litres/100km and the V8 22litres.100km - that's a difference of 11 litres/100km. So you can double the distance you've given, i.e., 38,000 litre @11 litres/100km = 354,454km. (And we haven't taken into account the cost of diesel which is much higher.)

We won't mention the higher servicing costs of the diesel. OH, damn, I did. :(


It's the 2 Ronnies......:wasntme:

By the way, I buy my fuel in bulk, last lot was $1.54 ltr so it's not that much more expensive if you know where to shop....

[dobbo]

Where do you all get the price on rebuilding a TD5 or is it just the old mate you know who did this once and it cost him so much routine?




Resale value in a Land Rover + the ability to totally rebuild a TD5,

What are you people on?

[mcrover]

Where do you all get the price on rebuilding a TD5 or is it just the old mate you know who did this once and it cost him so much routine?




Resale value in a Land Rover + the ability to totally rebuild a TD5,

What are you people on?


I was just going off what Ron said it cost........to be honest, I wouldnt know, Ive got a 300TDI.

My only point was that someone would be nuts to pull out a TD5 to drop in a Rover V8........and Ron just prooved my point :o

[RonMcGr]

Bad maths there, Ron. The fuel consumption figure should be based on the difference in fuel economy.

Let's assume the Td5 gives an average of 11litres/100km and the V8 22litres.100km - that's a difference of 11 litres/100km. So you can double the distance you've given, i.e., 38,000 litre @11 litres/100km = 354,454km. (And we haven't taken into account the cost of diesel which is much higher.)

We won't mention the higher servicing costs of the diesel. OH, damn, I did. :(

I guess I should explain the figures :D
mcrover said "I would rather rebuild my TD5 10 times before I would fit a rover V8 ." Highly likely you would have to, as well", meaning, the TD5 breaks down so often, it would take 10 rebuilds to a V8's ONE rebuild :D

Therefore the savings by having a V8 rebuilt ones to the cost of 10 diesel rebuilds, = etc, etc :D

Ron

[RonMcGr]

It's the 2 Ronnies......:wasntme:

By the way, I buy my fuel in bulk, last lot was $1.54 ltr so it's not that much more expensive if you know where to shop....

The two Ronnies was a good show :D

[RonMcGr]

Bad maths there, Ron. The fuel consumption figure should be based on the difference in fuel economy.

Let's assume the Td5 gives an average of 11litres/100km and the V8 22litres.100km - that's a difference of 11 litres/100km. So you can double the distance you've given, i.e., 38,000 litre @11 litres/100km = 354,454km. (And we haven't taken into account the cost of diesel which is much higher.)

We won't mention the higher servicing costs of the diesel. OH, damn, I did. :(

Ron, Given that scenario, the TD5 will cost half as much to run, which is true.

Then we take into account servicing cost which is a lot more than a V8 and preferably more often.

Now add to that the cost of replacing a motor, which is close to three times the cost of a V8 and under most circumstances they will both do similar mileages before being rebuilt.

Overall, the V8 will be cheaper to run.
Then comes the crunch, put the V8 on LPG!

25 litres @ 65c = $16.25 for a 100km
11 litres @ $1.60 = $17.60 for a 100km.

Why do people drive dirty smelly diesels :D:D:D

Ron

[capel]

Thanks to all those who provided some light here. I'm now siding with the 'fix the td5' set.
So......... could I please now get some advice on the best shop to take my defender to, to have her inspected properly, and fixed.
I am in W.A, and seeing as this is not really a thing to be taken lightly, I'm willing to take her to the big smoke to get looked after.

Any excellent sandgroper mechanics out there??

Cheers, Craig.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

I'd ask here craig--
The WA AULROians Group - Australian Land Rover Owners (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/wa-aulroians-group/)

[mcrover]

Why not take a look at this thread:

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/general-chat/56818-td5-motor.html

[Slunnie]

Jeez you lot! :lol2:

Swapping a TD5 for a V8 would be like pulling a Ferrari motor and replacing it with a Model T motor. :D

You'd destroy the resale, use more fuel, go slower, pay 8/5th more for repairs (yep, more cylinders! :D) and all of that stinky farty pollution would mean that you'd never get engineering approval.

:p

soooo, now which V8 drivers going to get all sensitive this time. :BigCry:

[p38arover]

You'd destroy the resale, use more fuel, go slower,

Not with 4.6 litres! :D

[RonMcGr]

Jeez you lot! :lol2:

Swapping a TD5 for a V8 would be like pulling a Ferrari motor and replacing it with a Model T motor. :D

You'd destroy the resale, use more fuel, go slower, pay 8/5th more for repairs (yep, more cylinders! :D) and all of that stinky farty pollution would mean that you'd never get engineering approval.

:p

soooo, now which V8 drivers going to get all sensitive this time. :BigCry:

Really :D
Obviously you have not heard of a "Bowler Wildcat" :D
4.8 seconds, 0 to 100 kph.
Try that in a Die sel

[RonMcGr]

Not with 4.6 litres! :D

Or a 5 litre Land Rover TVR job :D

[RonMcGr]

Jeez you lot! :lol2:

Swapping a TD5 for a V8 would be like pulling a Ferrari motor and replacing it with a Bugatti V16 :D

You'd improve the resale, use more fuel, go like the clappers, pay 1/10th for repairs and all of that stinky farty diesel pollution would mean that you'd never get engineering approval.


Spot on!

Well done that man :D

[Slunnie]

Perhaps, but then could we be talking Cummins 600hp diesel in that case. I call that the Cummins TD5. :D

[Slunnie]

Spot on!

Well done that man :D

Actually that Bugatti W16 would be unreal! 1001hp or something!!!! Yeah!!! :cool:

At least it's not an old V8 though. :D

[dobbo]

Really :D
Obviously you have not heard of a "Bowler Wildcat" :D
4.8 seconds, 0 to 100 kph.
Try that in a Die sel

Obviously you havn't heard of a Bowler Wildcat, the ones the do Paris to Dakar in, the TD5 ones;)

Where do you think the R&D for "The Storm" came from?

Obviously you haven't been in a chipped TD5

[rovercare]

Obviously you havn't heard of a Bowler Wildcat, the ones the do Paris to Dakar in, the TD5 ones;)

Where do you think the R&D for "The Storm" came from?

Obviously you haven't been in a chipped TD5

You can't do that, on the internet;)

[dobbo]

You can't do that, on the internet;)

I should have said aftermarket development for the storm

I honestly think this is a case of almost twice the cylinders, less than half the balls.

[Slunnie]

What aftermarket stuff is there?

I know the front axles/CV's that I run have come directly from that project. Making the engine powerful is easy, but I wonder how they made it durable with that level of HP.

[mcrover]

Not with 4.6 litres! :D


My mates P38a has a mildly worked 4.6 and my 300TDI Disco pulls about the same, he loses me on initial take off for about 5 or 6 m and then once my turbo kicks in Im back up next to him all the way to 80kmh (the speed limit where we were).

No doubt that it would probably pull all the way off the clock where mine governs out at 145kmh but where you can only do a max of 130kmh anywhere in OZ now, I dont really think that is relevant anymore.

Mine also pulls as much as his does but his traction control and air suspention meant he could get up a couple of red rock steps that I couldnt easilly but then again, he's too scared to take it off road too much as it may get a scratch on it or something might break which is expensive and then he couldnt tow his boat where as mine lives off road more than on.

[DirtyDawg]

Craig,
Ask Jeff bell how good the TD5's are he has just put a sweet 4.6 V8 in his later model Fender....
I would prefer a V8 over a TD5 if I hadn't any other option left..unless it was a 2004/05 TD5.......then maybe....nah not even then..;)