County vs. GQ Patrol

[mitch]

Well me and some friends went up to double island point for the weekend. it was an awesome trip, the beach was lovely. only problem was the weather... it was a little bit cold and we had the occasional sprinkle.

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all was going great and we were cruising up the beach at 8am on saturday when we stopped to take a picture of this.

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but unfortunately my friend didnt slow down and decided to attack me at about 40km/h.

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:(:(:(:( the county made quick work of the GQ panels, radiator, CV, engine

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mine took some serious damage to the rear crossmember, outrigger, rear door, quarterpanel and broke the RH engine mount. after tieing the engine down i towed him 15min back to camp and we got into the beers to ease our pain. then today i towed him all the way back to tewantin.

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apart from the obvious it was an awesome weekend :D county never missed a beat and towed brilliantly even in the soft stuff.

[BBC]

What is his insurance like?

[RonMcGr]

So now he is going to buy a Land Rover?
After he pays for your to be fixed, of course.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

that pootrol is stuffed!

[mitch]

What is his insurance like?

enough to get mine fixed. the pics dont really show how badly the chassis is mangled. hopefully its not a write off.


So now he is going to buy a Land Rover?
After he pays for your to be fixed, of course.

we are both 1st year apprentices. he wont be getting another car for a while.

[rangieman]

Thats a sad sight mate , hope everyone is ok , I dont like the chances of insurance fixing the County:eek: sorry

[Xavie]

Glad you had a good weekend but bad luck about the vehicles. IT sounds like he is much worse off then you in the end. And it was just a simple mistake!

Xav

[Blknight.aus]

so long as the chassis isnt damaged inside of the spring hangers its repairable.

(draw an imaginary box with the 4 spring perches at the corners)

anthing outside of that is easily repairable and engineer safe.

inside of that gets costly depending on the damage.

(but thats just my roughnready version of the rules)

[RonMcGr]

enough to get mine fixed. the pics dont really show how badly the chassis is mangled. hopefully its not a write off.



we are both 1st year apprentices. he wont be getting another car for a while.

Oh well, you guys can rebuild the Patrol :D
There are plenty of wreckers around with those in it :)
Get a straight chassis and start again..

[long stroke]

Oh no:o

[mcrover]

For what he would get if he parted out the pootrol he could buy a pretty good Rangie and fix the county and then your both back on track.

[mitch]

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another pic

just going to have to wait and see. im mostly stressing about how to get to work tomorrow morning and how much $$$ the insurance is going to fork out for a 23yo landrover which to them is worth nothing. trying to be postive.

cheers- mitch

[rovercare]

I dare say, it'll go as a write off:(

Look on the bright side, get payed out, buy the wreck back for nicks and build another rover:D

[DeeJay]

Pity you are in Qld, I will be selling all the parts you need in a month or so. Right colour too...

[LandyAndy]

Bugga:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
Hopefully not the end of another Landy.
Chin up mate,if they do look like writing it off ask to settle with them and re-build yourself.
Panel shops dont like pulling landys apart and putting them together again,just too hard when there is an endless supply of simple dunnydoore/falcoon repair work to be had.AND THEY CHARGE LIKE HELL IF THEY HAVE TO FIX EM,pushes the poor old Landys into write-off land!!!!
GOODLUCK
Andrew

[Blknight.aus]

Im guessing its not a suzi with the lt95.

[mitch]

4BD1t with a LT85

[Blknight.aus]

IVe just had a look through the rules and it appears that any 4bd1 isuzu engined rovers that sustain any damage to the rear lights and scratching of the paint work (it would appear that you meet the critera) must be disposed..


I'll take it off your hands for a carton in return for the favor for you not to reporting it....



:angel:

[2_door]

IVe just had a look through the rules and it appears that any 4bd1 isuzu engined rovers that sustain any damage to the rear lights and scratching of the paint work (it would appear that you meet the critera) must be disposed..

:angel:

ahh, but you didn't read it in conjunction with section 13.9.1 subclause(f)(iii) which states that it MUST be disposed of to the southern most state, being Tasmania.

We would be happy to give it a new home :D it will fit in down here with a few bruises ;)

[mitch]

it took me a looooong time to find this car and im not going to let it go that easy :D its to unique.

i was very proud of her towing back the GQ with the broken engine mount after being abused by it. didnt even complain.

thanks alot for your comments everyone

[sclarke]

Sadly it will be writen off...... and that does not take much......

I bought a 92 rangie Vouge on lpg and imacculate with 150k on the clock, with a bent door for $1200 from the auction as they wrote it off....

i'll have it fixed for less than $2k all up inc the purch price.... not bad for a $6k car

[rar110]

it doesn't look like too difficult a repair.

Replace the pass side rear quarter or better the whole tub from a wreck (get the capping, drop the capping in to transfield to get galed and get the capping bolts with it as these will be longer or shorter in later model 110s).

Chop off the cross member and replace with RHS (like a perentie) or genuine 110 x-member from a wreck (I have a spare perentie rear cross member in the back yard you could look at if you wanted to do something similar). I picked up a tub for $150 and defender x-member for nothing when I bought a defender disc brake axle for $750. Look around for write offs with lots of front end damage.

You could probably straighten the door with a jack by placing it under under chassis rail.

Another alternative is to drop a ute body on it and scrap the body. You might get something for the rear doors, the roof and the B-pillars. You would still need to fix the rear x-member.

[Blknight.aus]

in all seriousness.

my money is on it being a write off.

Id see what they want to do with it and be prepared to haggle them into marking it up as a repairable write off, paying you out and letting you buy it back at the "wreck" value of the vehicle then set about repairing it yourself.

Chassis damage on older vehicles is not looked favorabley upon by most repair mobs esp if they have to work around fueltanks and ally body work.

I know of one case where a very early defender was written of on the cost of replacing all the glass and redoing all the paintwork after it had been caught on the 80 mile beach during a hell of a storm and got itself sandblasted by mother nature.

[mcrover]

I'd be inclined to buy it back from the wreckers and whacking a tray on the back like this one....:cool:

[mitch]

i have always had a soft spot for a 110DC :twisted::cool:

[mcrover]

i have always had a soft spot for a 110DC :twisted::cool:

If I had to go 110, I would go one like that.......but it would have to be Diesel Auto so more than likely 300TDI or at a stretch TD5 if someone can work out it's niggles (DAVE).:D

[MacFamily]

Thats a shame mitch :(...Maybe you could not tell the insurance company and do as the previous post and turn it into a dualcab. Guess I wont be seeing the country parked out front of TTK for a while.
Anyway mate goodluck Iam sure if you need any info or parts someone on here will be willing to help.
Azza

You could have a look at this not sure if its worth it or still for sale but you could have a look maybe talk him down a bit and whats left over you could sell to get some of your money back eg motor, gearbox ect and best of all its the same colour http://www.aulro.com/apc/showproduct.php/product/1796/cat/9 .

[Blknight.aus]

If I had to go 110, I would go one like that.......but it would have to be Diesel Auto so more than likely 300TDI or at a stretch TD5 if someone can work out it's niggles (DAVE).:D


I actually thinK I have most of them sorted at one level or another... (thats why I want the dead one to play with... the only thing Im not 100% on is the throttle position sensor I need a dead one to compare to mine and hopefully a new one I can compare that to and I'll have that nutted to..

unfortunately a lot of the nut outs require you know enough about the engine in the first place to be "dangerous".. once you know that much with the kit Im getting together you should be able to get yourself back to civilisation.

[wovenrovings]

Perhaps a group of you should get together and bring this one
You could have a look at this not sure if its worth it or still for sale but you could have a look maybe talk him down a bit and whats left over you could sell to get some of your money back eg motor, gearbox ect and best of all its the same colour http://www.aulro.com/apc/showproduct...uct/1796/cat/9 . down to brissy and then mitch won't have to worry about one of you lot trying to do him out of his pride and joy and get the bits to fix it.
Just a thought:angel:

[RonMcGr]

4BD1t with a LT85

Good strong motor!
No wonder it towed so well.

Keep in mind the Rover wrecker up there.
He maybe able to help out.

[mrapocalypse]

Mitch that's a major bummer mate. That County looks loved.....

I lost a ground up rebuilt rangey in the bush like that so I can really empathize.!

Ian

[JamesH]

Sorry to hear of your beach misfortune, Mitch. I feel your pain. my Defender got written off after I hit a rock on the beach (see my gallery). At least you have the comfortof knowing it was not your fault, I felt like a total #$%^.

Mine was eventually rebuilt and lives again but my chassis damage was only "minor" and they pulled it out.

[lokka]

Good to see the county showed that pootrol whos boss :D:D:D

Never mind tho it can be repaired no mater how bad its been hit if you were down this way i could do the repair easyly as for parts there are plenty about at the right price ...

Dont let the insurance company take it buy it back or just do a cash settlement with your mate and dont tell the insurance company then do the repairs its not hard to rebuild a landy its just a life size mechano set :D:D:D

[mitch]

a couple people have been telling me that sometimes insurance companies don't let you keep the wreck. what kind of circumstances does this happen?

not getting insurance involved would mean no money at all. my friend only just recently bought that patrol and had the head rebuilt. hes in debt and i couldn't ask him for money. i will probably even have to pay most of his excess. :(

for a massive car with less than exciting breaks this is the second person to run into me. this is what a hyundia did to itself on my rear cross member. :eek:

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needless to say, the getz came off second best. it did manage to slightly bend my numberplate though :cool::D

reinforces your "in a landrover the other car is your crumple zone" Dave ;)

[isuzurover]

a couple people have been telling me that sometimes insurance companies don't let you keep the wreck. what kind of circumstances does this happen?

not getting insurance involved would mean no money at all. my friend only just recently bought that patrol and had the head rebuilt. hes in debt and i couldn't ask him for money. i will probably even have to pay most of his excess. :(

for a massive car with less than exciting breaks this is the second person to run into me. this is what a hyundia did to itself on my rear cross member. :eek:

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/8901/image010nk2.th.jpg (http://img386.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image010nk2.jpg)

needless to say, the getz came off second best. it did manage to slightly bend my numberplate though :cool::D

reinforces your "in a landrover the other car is your crumple zone" Dave ;)

AFAIK, his insurance will pay you market value for the car - probably the lower estimate from redbook - unless you have a valuation/receipts/photos which can allow you to argue the price up.

The wreck then becomes THEIR PROPERTY! Some insurance companies will let you buy the wreck back directly, but otherwise you will have to go to a damaged vehicle auction (probably in brisbane) and buy it back there.

IME that damage would mean a definite writeoff. Most insurance companies have a rule that repairs worth 1/3 the vehicle value mean an (economic) writeoff. If they value your car at 3k - that means 1k (which will barely pay the paint job from a panel shop).

Sorry to hear... If you can weld and rivet it is a fairly easy repair. He may be a mate, but it shouldn't be up to you to pay for his stupidity/inattention.

As others have said - maybe he should part it out, pay for your repair, then buy what he can with whatever is left.

EDIT - Btw - does this mean you are our of the field test???

EDIT2 - looks like a 84/85 model (or early 86)? Redbook says $2k - 5.2k. So IME the insurance would probably pay you middle-bottom of that range.

[mitch]

it only has 210,000km (yes really :D)and is in sweet condition, so i guess ill just have to make them pay more. the prices listed on redbook are "Prices based on km 345,000 - 575,000".

i will be out of the field test unfortunately :( i dont have any time frame yet on getting her back on the road.

[abaddonxi]

When my Subaru 1800 was written off - I only had third party property - the other blokes insurance company kindly paid me the lowest possible money, and then took the scrap value of the Subaru off the total and told me I had to get rid of it.:eek:

Did I get done over or what?

Still, maybe the same thing will happen to you and you'll get to keep the County for almost nix.

I think it is easier for the insurance company to sell the car back to you than it is to send it to auction, particularly when they think it is an old bomb with only scrap value.

Cheers
Simon

[solmanic]

I may be missing something here, but I thought that if it was the other party's fault then you could send their insurance company a letter of demand and they would just have to pay the value of the repairs. I didn't think they could write-off your vehicle. You have no agreement with the other insurance company regarding their value of cover for your (third party) vehicle - market or otherwise.

I had a series III that was badly messed up at the front when a guy did a U-turn in front of me. His insurance company paid $000's (I think it was about $6K from memory) to get it all fixed. No question of them writing it off, they just paid whatever since it was his fault. The value of the series III was only about $3K.

[mitch]

I may be missing something here, but I thought that if it was the other party's fault then you could send their insurance company a letter of demand and they would just have to pay the value of the repairs. I didn't think they could write-off your vehicle. You have no agreement with the other insurance company regarding their value of cover for your (third party) vehicle - market or otherwise.

I had a series III that was badly messed up at the front when a guy did a U-turn in front of me. His insurance company paid $000's (I think it was about $6K from memory) to get it all fixed. No question of them writing it off, they just paid whatever since it was his fault. The value of the series III was only about $3K.

if this is true, you sir have made my day/week/month/year :o

[Debacle]

A couple of times I have had to send letters of demand due to another drivers negligence and both times they just sent me a cheque for the value of the panelbeaters quote and I have done the repairs myself. You could give it a go and see what they decide. There is no obligation on you to accept what they offer.

[solmanic]

There is no obligation on you to accept what they offer.

My point exactly. I also suffered a nasty rear-ender from a ute in the Alfa (1970 1750 GTV) and the repair bill for that was over $10K. Never any question of writing it off there either. Now fully restored the car is valued at about $20K with my insurer, but being a very old car and not perfect at the time if there was ever a chance the other insurance companly would try to value it down, that would have been it.

Once again, you have no agreement with the other insurance company so you are not bound by their terms and conditions. You make your demand then see what they offer you - I would recommend getting quotes ASAP from their preferred repairers (at least two). Even if they were to just declare your vehicle a write off, they can only give you the cash but you would keep the vehicle. There is nothing that says they have any right to take it - they are not your insurer. If you disagree with the value of what they offer then I'm not sure what but there is an ombudsman.

[Blknight.aus]

I may be missing something here, but I thought that if it was the other party's fault then you could send their insurance company a letter of demand and they would just have to pay the value of the repairs. I didn't think they could write-off your vehicle. You have no agreement with the other insurance company regarding their value of cover for your (third party) vehicle - market or otherwise.

I had a series III that was badly messed up at the front when a guy did a U-turn in front of me. His insurance company paid $000's (I think it was about $6K from memory) to get it all fixed. No question of them writing it off, they just paid whatever since it was his fault. The value of the series III was only about $3K.


IME this only works if you dont go through your own insurance company to get the repairs done first but its correct.

If your insurance company isnt involved then another persons insurance company cant write off your vehicle as beyond economical repair BUT their repair agencies can if the vehicle has had enough damage that it cant be made safe again (crushed crumple zones/fractured primary chassis members for example)

[1103.9TDI]

Is that beach a gazetted road?, I hope so!. If you end up going to a panel beater for a quote, tell him you want a perfect job done on the County and the other parties insurance will pay.......then expect to make a deal, with you keeping the County, and decent cash to fix it!.

[mitch]

Well i found out a few days ago that on thursday night my mate drew took his own life. so unlike him its insane. all his friends and family are so shocked because he was always the guy with the smile on his face and the loudest laugh. his parents are going to help me sort out my car but i don't even want to think about it yet.

its incredible how quickly things can change. drew and me were laughing about this wednesday afternoon making up stories about how he crashed. he has been one of my closest mates for the last 5 years and i lived with him for 2 of them. i'm really glad that we got to spend the weekend camping, however i don't think cooloola will ever be the same for me again.

this is a picture of him from sunday giving me the thumbs up just after he drove his car onto the tow truck.

[MacFamily]

Thats not good mate Sorry to hear that..
Azza

[JamesH]

I don't know what to say. This is a horribly sad outcome. My thoughts are with you and your mates family and friends.

[rovercare]

Well i found out a few days ago that on thursday night my mate drew took his own life. so unlike him its insane. all his friends and family are so shocked because he was always the guy with the smile on his face and the loudest laugh. his parents are going to help me sort out my car but i don't even want to think about it yet.

its incredible how quickly things can change. drew and me were laughing about this wednesday afternoon making up stories about how he crashed. he has been one of my closest mates for the last 5 years and i lived with him for 2 of them. i'm really glad that we got to spend the weekend camping, however i don't think cooloola will ever be the same for me again.

this is a picture of him from sunday giving me the thumbs up just after he drove his car onto the tow truck.

Wow:(

[Blknight.aus]

condolences on loosing a friend. If its any help while im not much stick with ally I'll offer up helping to sort out the chassis damage for you along with any work needed to square up the tail end running gear.

[Relay]

My thoughts are with you, his family and the rest of his friends. It's a hard time ahead, and I'll be thinking of you all.

When all is said and done, if I lose mine (I'm in a similar situation right now); and it gets wrecked, I'll have bits n pieces to spare...might be able to help you out.

[Xavie]

It's funny that often it is those with the smile and the loudest laugh are the ones who are struggling the most.

Sorry for your loss. A best friend is one of the hardest things to lose.

Xav

[lokka]

Sorry to hear of this its a sad twist of fate which leaves so mant unanswered questions my deepest sympathy goes out to his family and you and the rest of his mates :(:(:(

[rangieman]

Sorry to hear mate:eek: , Chin up dude:cool:

[long stroke]

I'm so sorry for your loss mate:( so unexpected:o
I hope your doin ok mate:thumbsup:

CHEERS TIM..