BLINKY KRUDD

[LandyAndy]

Seen the moron in an interview????
He blinks flatout with his mouth,GOT TO BE BELCHING LIES!!!!!
Dont blink when he is listening,or is supost to be listening:eek::eek::eek::eek:
Just needs a set of LEDs to blink with the eyes.
TOSSER!!!!!!
Andrew

[Fusion]

:o:D:D:D:D Tell us what you really think Andy :p:wasntme:. ...... But i do agree ;):D

[Slunnie]

Seen the moron in an interview????
He blinks flatout with his mouth,GOT TO BE BELCHING LIES!!!!!
Dont blink when he is listening,or is supost to be listening:eek::eek::eek::eek:
Just needs a set of LEDs to blink with the eyes.
TOSSER!!!!!!
Andrew
I'm assuming by reading this that really you are just looking for reasons to hate him and this is the only thing the interview gave you to hate him about. :lol2:

I didn't vote for him, but I get the impression on 4WD forums that anything he does wrong is wrong and everything he does right is still wrong. He's in for a few years, just see how he goes.

[dobbo]

Bagging the prime minister is like bagging the bonnet emblem on a Merc, it looks the part, tells you a bit about the machine, when the machine doesn't work the emblem is there for people to bag out and laugh at.

The emblem is a figure head, like the PM of this country, they serve their purpose, they're the fall guy, we the public whinge at them instead of the real decision makers. I didn't vote for him or the other guy.

[Xavie]

I don't think LandyAndy is saying it as an annoying feature but a "tell" that he is lying. I have also noticed it.

Xav

[pommie]

Seen the moron in an interview????


I am not sure that blinking when talking or listening is a direct indicator of lying. Touching the nose while talking certainly is though - works every time. I've seen him do that a couple of times... you'd think that he'd have had training to prevent that.

I have strong opinions on socialists though (being a totally reformed and cured one myself) - don't get me started on the punishment for hard work and success in the last budget...... how dare they :mad:

[Ralph1Malph]

It is good to see that the man is human:angel::angel: ,still, I do miss the rock solid, statesman like professional oratory of John Winston.

But we got we voted for, and time will tell whether all the lies and blinking will give him eye strain:D:D:D and whether we was duped!:mad::mad:

Ralph

[waynep]

I don't think LandyAndy is saying it as an annoying feature but a "tell" that he is lying. I have also noticed it.

Xav

I dunno - he seems pretty annoyed to me.

[lokka]

Yep well i voted for him and i rekon he my make a difference and the budget may well be the start bout time the rich stoped getting richer and the lower class got a bit of a leg up ;)

At least he dosent look like a monkey that did his time on a pot line :D:D:D:D

[Tombie]

Yep well i voted for him and i rekon he my make a difference and the budget may well be the start bout time the rich stoped getting richer and the lower class got a bit of a leg up ;)

At least he dosent look like a monkey that did his time on a pot line :D:D:D:D

Since when is it a crime to get rich?

And at what tax / income level am I designated as rich?

I'm frustrated at this comment, I hear it all the time...


I worked my butt off to get myself to where I am. And I still work damn hard, and I'm proud of what I do.

I also get an exceptional feeling of satisfaction in my 'day' job...

My lifestyle is one of my determination to get off my butt and work at getting a leg up - so to speak.

No-one helped me...

I work, I pay taxes, I spend money, I pay taxes, I purchase equipment which costs me a lot of money (and tax) then the money it earns me.... I pay taxes on!

In fact, I've been paying higher tax brackets for freakin years...

So, nothing against YOU or YOUR beliefs on a Personal Level but this blows!

[RonMcGr]

Vote in a clown, expect to see a circus!

[d3funct]

Vote in a clown, expect to see a circus!

Here Here.

Too bad Carmen Lawrence is out... she would be the perfect Circus Elephant :D


Totally agree with Tombie2 - couldn't have said it better myself.
The only ones who have always had the so-called leg up, are all the bureaucratic fat cats (Dr. Neil Fong ($600kPA)) who are paid only to be a pretty face on TV.

The local brickie, who is working FLAT OUT, doing maybe 70hrs a week, building our homes... he makes $120-130k these days... good on him, he is not rich, and he works bloody hard.

Oh, Im sorry, K.Rudd has now decided he is a rich ***** who adds no value to Australia, and should be punished. :mad:

[d3funct]

I promised myself, when I saw this thread last night - that I would not post in it.
Oh well, I feel better now :)

[dobbo]

I suppose you have to establish at what income level are you considered "rich" in this day and age. Just because your on the highest tax bracket does not mean your "rich" or living comfortably.

Also on the original post, perhaps he was blinking due to be in the media spotlight, or the solar flare all politicians think shoot out of they're own rear was making life a tad uncomfortable at that point in time.

[Scallops]

Funny stuff :bangin: - can anyone remember if Johnny Howard winked or rubbed his nose over the AWB scandal, Children overboard, arrangements to hand over to Costello etc etc? I don't think he did - but I swear his nose was longer than Pinocchio's . :D

[RonMcGr]

:o:D:D:D:D Tell us what you really think Andy :p:wasntme:. ...... But i do agree ;):D

Body language is hard to hide. :)
Now, I have a very good imagination, however I could never in my wildest dreams, picture Rudd and Swan, sitting in a "Workers Bar", having a beer and chatting with "the guys"!

What I can picture, is the two in a Ladies Lounge, or Gay Bar, sipping "Pink Gins.":eek::eek:

[dobbo]

Body language is hard to hide. :)
Now, I have a very good imagination, however I could never in my wildest dreams, picture Rudd and Swan, sitting in a "Workers Bar", having a beer and chatting with "the guys"!

What I can picture, is the two in a Ladies Lounge, or Gay Bar, sipping "Pink Gins.":eek::eek:

Surely if they were that way inclined they would have legalised forbidden love like theirs when they had the opportunity.

[Reads90]

The problem is he is labour and as we have seen around the world (UK for one) All labour do is take from the hard working people who want a nice house and a couple of nice cars. and a good standard of living and give to the lazy gits that sit on the dole all day and can't bothered to work.


When there is a labour goverment in you will always be better off if you sit on your ar*e and do nothing all day.
This is not to form an arguemnet. This is fact :) and has been shown though history and why the Uk labour goverment is about to be thrown out.

[Xavie]

I disagree Reads. I believe out last liberal government actually improved things for people on welfare a hell of a lot. I don't think it is a bad thing though.

Also, I'm a bit confused as I know a few people who work in factories and work 55-65 hours per week to support themselves now that is a lot of hours and more then most of us here would do yet they are far from rich and I believe that they should get something more then they do. They are important in our society. Yes some of the arguments in here certainly does not support my theory and I think I'm pretty much thinking about Tombies but... maybe people here don't feel the same?

Xav

[LieutenantRover]

Last financial year our state labor government took 50% of my years wage in stamp duty. I don't think I got anything in return.

[Graz]

Since when is it a crime to get rich?

And at what tax / income level am I designated as rich?

I'm frustrated at this comment, I hear it all the time...


I worked my butt off to get myself to where I am. And I still work damn hard, and I'm proud of what I do.

I also get an exceptional feeling of satisfaction in my 'day' job...

My lifestyle is one of my determination to get off my butt and work at getting a leg up - so to speak.

No-one helped me...

I work, I pay taxes, I spend money, I pay taxes, I purchase equipment which costs me a lot of money (and tax) then the money it earns me.... I pay taxes on!

In fact, I've been paying higher tax brackets for freakin years...

So, nothing against YOU or YOUR beliefs on a Personal Level but this blows!




My sentiments exactly. I'm still working my way out of the affects resulting from the last time this outfit was in. Now they are having another go. Trouble is history suggests there is much more pain to come:(

[Chenz]

Yep well i voted for him and i rekon he my make a difference and the budget may well be the start bout time the rich stoped getting richer and the lower class got a bit of a leg up ;)

At least he dosent look like a monkey that did his time on a pot line :D:D:D:D

It is good to see that the Labor Govt is doing the right thing for "Working Families". It's after you retire that they kick you in the teeth.

Here we go again. Every time Labor - the battlers party, gets in: Interest rates go up. Unemployment goes up. Fuel and groceries go up, Rhetoric and inaction goes up.

However as a Working Family I feel I am being appreciated far more than I was 12 months ago and I go to sleep comforted by that fact.

[pommie]

Since when is it a crime to get rich?

And at what tax / income level am I designated as rich?

I'm frustrated at this comment, I hear it all the time...


I worked my butt off to get myself to where I am. And I still work damn hard, and I'm proud of what I do.

I also get an exceptional feeling of satisfaction in my 'day' job...

My lifestyle is one of my determination to get off my butt and work at getting a leg up - so to speak.

No-one helped me...

I work, I pay taxes, I spend money, I pay taxes, I purchase equipment which costs me a lot of money (and tax) then the money it earns me.... I pay taxes on!

In fact, I've been paying higher tax brackets for freakin years...

So, nothing against YOU or YOUR beliefs on a Personal Level but this blows!




Here here.

The best satisfaction is life is to rewarded for your initiative, risk taking, determination, drive and sheer hard work - be it through study and white colar job or getting your hands dirty or both.

Nothing is better. My bonus from my job is spent with gusto... no saving... only spending on me. And I love it !

The worst feeling is to have those rewards forcibly taken from you in the form of high taxation - and given to people who don't have your drive.

We have a duty in a reasonable society to protect those who simply can't help themselves - the disabled, the sick, the elderly, the orphaned, those injured in war and to contribute to maintain defence, law & order and infrastructure etc. I have no problem with any of that. But why should we have to pay for the upkeep of those who choose not to have our drive ?

If we make incentives for people to work harder - to better themselves in life (by low taxes when .... ) then they will. If we reward them for being on a low income - with low taxes and other handouts (donated by the rest of society) then where is the incentive for them to work harder and to better themselves.

Low taxation drives investment, employment, growth and wealth for all - have you seen the number of cranes Bentleys in Singapore (very very low taxation - low unemployment), and Dubai (no taxation - an extreme example due to oil revenue - but it makes the point).

[rovercare]

Here here.

The best satisfaction is life is to rewarded for your initiative, risk taking, determination, drive and sheer hard work - be it through study and white colar job or getting your hands dirty or both.

Nothing is better. My bonus from my job is spent with gusto... no saving... only spending on me. And I love it !

The worst feeling is to have those rewards forcibly taken from you in the form of high taxation - and given to people who don't have your drive.

We have a duty in a reasonable society to protect those who simply can't help themselves - the disabled, the sick, the elderly, the orphaned, those injured in war and to contribute to maintain defence, law & order and infrastructure etc. I have no problem with any of that. But why should we have to pay for the upkeep of those who choose not to have our drive ?

If we make incentives for people to work harder - to better themselves in life (by low taxes when .... ) then they will. If we reward them for being on a low income - with low taxes and other handouts (donated by the rest of society) then where is the incentive for them to work harder and to better themselves.

Low taxation drives investment, employment, growth and wealth for all - have you seen the number of cranes Bentleys in Singapore (very very low taxation - low unemployment), and Dubai (no taxation - an extreme example due to oil revenue - but it makes the point).

This is making more sense, I hate these comments to

People wanting a "leg up", WTF? I didn't get no leg up, I worked for it don't deserve a leg up on my behalf:mad:, your on a low wage? Do something about, it IS that fuggin easy............then they whinge about the risks, of unstable employment, what if I don't get more work, blah blah blah.........Well how the hell is it that I and others did it??

We took the risks, We did the work, We earn a high wage.....YOU don't

**** off and find you own freakin money slackers:D

Disclaimer: this is only aimed at those who ACTUALLY whinge about high income earners and think we should contribute more tax and miss out on government incentives, like the baby bonus:angel:

[ATH]

Hear hear to all of that Pommie. I've always detested the socialist crap of hitting successful people in the hip pocket to support layabouts but agree with you that those who can't help themselves should be helped by those that can where ever possible without funding a life of leisure, drinking, smoking and gambling.
Who exactly does Krudd mean when he spouts about "working families"? I work, the cook did work but has now retired, my brothers and their wifes worked and were very successful (darn sight more successful than me) but because they're now very comfortably well off does that mean they're no longer "working families" and must be penalised to support those who've no intention of supporting themselves through their own efforts?
And just look at the millionaire socialist MPs there are on the Labor (and Labour in the UK) side of the fence and you'll really see what a bunch of total hypocrites they are.
It's just a game to get their mugs on the box and in the papers.
I detest them.
Alan H.

PS. What's this got to do with LRs except some of them will now be subject to more "luxury" car tax? But not the ones I can afford!

[dobbo]

This is making more sense, I hate these comments to

People wanting a "leg up", WTF? I didn't get no leg up, I worked for it don't deserve a leg up on my behalf:mad:, your on a low wage? Do something about, it IS that ****ing easy............then they whinge about the risks, of unstable employment, what if I don't get more work, blah blah blah.........Well how the **** is it that I and others did it??

We took the risks, We did the work, We earn a high wage.....YOU don't

**** off and find you own freakin money slackers:D

Disclaimer: this is only aimed at those who ACTUALLY whinge about high income earners and think we should contribute more tax and miss out on government incentives, like the baby bonus:angel:


Believe it or not, some people for whatever reason cannot work, even though they would love to. I don't mind my taxes helping out these people.

As for the others who are just in life for the free ride, If we don't help out these "dole bludgers" then as you suggest they most likely will help themselves, not with employment but to our belongings. Then we'll still have to pay for their living expenses, in prison. Paying them to stay at home is the lesser of two evils.


Unfortunately life is not Black and White.

[rovercare]

Believe it or not, some people for whatever reason cannot work, even though they would love to. I don't mind my taxes helping out these people.

As for the others who are just in life for the free ride, If we don't help out these "dole bludgers" then as you suggest they most likely will help themselves, not with employment but to our belongings. Then we'll still have to pay for their living expenses, in prison. Paying them to stay at home is the lesser of two evils.


Unfortunately life is not Black and White.

That's why I quoted Pommies post, as it had all the releveance to those ACTUALLY in need

Scumbags? one of my brother's was long term unemployed, scum by choice, scum by nature

I've mates ho forever whine about their wage/conditions, but rarely do anything about, I offer short term position, and they cry, what about after? Take a damn risk, or get stuck in a rut:mad:

[abaddonxi]

I often wonder if there is an overlap of the, 'if you don't love it, leave it,' and those that whinge about tax and the welfare state.:D

If that were the case you'd think that two groups would cancel each other out and make a hasty exit to those countries that don't follow welfare state democracy and prefer something closer to pure capitalism.

As I mentioned in another thread, some people consider it a privilege that they can afford to give something back to the society that allowed them to be in the position that they are now in.

Cheers
Simon

[87County]

Seen the moron in an interview????
He blinks flatout with his mouth,GOT TO BE BELCHING LIES!!!!!
Dont blink when he is listening,or is supost to be listening:eek::eek::eek::eek:
Just needs a set of LEDs to blink with the eyes.
TOSSER!!!!!!
Andrew

yep... may have some faults, eh?

but, lol, compared to the alternative (Mrs Nelson's young lad)....

he's obviously a winner...:)

[dobbo]

i hope this doesn't mean what i think it means


CRUNTS

Comfortably
Relaxing on
Unemployment benifits and
Not paying a
Taxable income to
Society

[87County]

and another scary thought...

governments in westminster-type sytems are only in the long run kept honest by a keen, honest & healthy opposition

the present opposition needs to clean up its disgraceful condition to ensure that we do have good government

it really concerned me the way that the libs dissolved into internecine warfare following their predictable loss last election - I reckon blind freddy could see it coming...

and as for that snivelling Lord Downer.... words escape me

[lokka]

Well obviously my post stired the pot and upset a few people but its just my opinion and they are like rsoles everyone has one :D:D:D

As for my coment on the rich i should have explained my self beter in saying people that earn upwards of $150K PA..

As for the leg up coment i ment that by way of tax cuts and a beter deal for working familys and single parents like me ....

Having to leave my job back in sep06 and going onto a perenting payment was hard for me to cope with going from a 65K PA job to welfare payments but it was my best optin as the gov of the time didnt care enough about working parents who needed childcare for me to continue workin my childcare fees back then would have been around $300 per week ...

Now that my kids are both in school im ready to go back to work and will do sometime in july and hopfully i will get a beta deal the so called leg up with some tax cuts and a beta deal on childcare with the current gov ....

As for paying taxes i think over the last 17 years of my working life ive well and truly payed for my 2 year stint on welfare and i to hate the fact that all those years of paying taxes to support a gov who had supported the so called "dole bludgers" of society ....

Hopefully now that labour has the power i may get a beta deal as a working single parent ....

Now i hope this has clarafied a few things and hopefully hasent stired the pot in the wrong direction :D:D

[RonMcGr]

Well obviously my post stired the pot and upset a few people

I wouldn't worry about it.
Some would get "stirred up" over two flies copulating on the wall, if you get what I mean :)

[lokka]

I wouldn't worry about it.
Some would get "stirred up" over two flies copulating on the wall, if you get what I mean :)


Ron mate i get what ya mean buddy some blokes have to many winging female gean's me thinks :D:D:D

[tony]

Ron mate i get what ya mean buddy some blokes have to many winging female gean's me thinks :D:D:D


I wouldn't worry about it.
Some would get "stirred up" over two flies copulating on the wall, if you get what I mean :)


Wouldn't worry about it Chris, 99.9% of those on over 150K PA wouldn't know a hard days graft if it came up an bit them on the posterior,

And why the hell should they get the baby bonus....and why should they pay the same tax as the bloke that has to do 80 hrs a week to bring his net up

most of em are what we used to call "silver spoons" mommy & dady had money so best schools all the advantages , then moan about the bloke who had to start work at 14 to help support the family still slogs his guts out on the factory floor at age 55 with comment like well he should do better, I did...but they seem to forget the advantages they had were probley not avabial to the battler...

The views expressed above are mine

Tony

[Slunnie]

Wouldn't worry about it Chris, 99.9% of those on over 150K PA wouldn't know a hard days graft if it came up an bit them on the posterior,

And why the hell should they get the baby bonus....and why should they pay the same tax as the bloke that has to do 80 hrs a week to bring his net up

most of em are what we used to call "silver spoons" mommy & dady had money so best schools all the advantages , then moan about the bloke who had to start work at 14 to help support the family still slogs his guts out on the factory floor at age 55 with comment like well he should do better, I did...but they seem to forget the advantages they had were probley not avabial to the battler...

The views expressed above are mine

Tony
I think that this is a really unfair call to be honest. Perhaps those that earn over $150K also say the same about those that don't earn as much.

I also find it interesting that so many people have the value that, in essence, the more tax you pay, the less you should be entitled to it's benefits. Something I see so often in the private/public school funding debate.

[EchiDna]

but what about the self educated battler, or self employed bloke who does work 80-100 hours a week and who does earn $150k a year? the whole arguement is flawed... to assume only/mainly 'silver spoons' earn $150k annually is patently untrue... if I work hard, and my company rewards me or my personal business is sucessful and I earn $150k per year, then why shouldn't I enjoy more than 50% of the money I've earnt?

Just because I work hard and long hours should not mean I shouldn't be rewarded... geez I know people who earn more per month (in wages) than I do annually and belive it or not, this particular bloke I'm thinking of pays through the nose for the privilege - never sees his family, always travelling for work, has a bed in the office etc... would I swap with him? no way, my life is more balanced, but I can definitely say that fella would kill for the chance to spend 20 hours more per week with his children. YOU and only YOU are responsible for whatever financial position you find yourself in... yes there are bad luck stories, yes there are those who need to be supported (e.g. teachers, nurses, coppers, military etc) but plenty more could become better educated, could aim to be a team leader or supervisor but would rather not get the responsibility and just moan...

[rangieman]

Since when is it a crime to get rich?

And at what tax / income level am I designated as rich?

I'm frustrated at this comment, I hear it all the time...


I worked my butt off to get myself to where I am. And I still work damn hard, and I'm proud of what I do.

I also get an exceptional feeling of satisfaction in my 'day' job...

My lifestyle is one of my determination to get off my butt and work at getting a leg up - so to speak.

No-one helped me...

I work, I pay taxes, I spend money, I pay taxes, I purchase equipment which costs me a lot of money (and tax) then the money it earns me.... I pay taxes on!

In fact, I've been paying higher tax brackets for freakin years...

So, nothing against YOU or YOUR beliefs on a Personal Level but this blows!



:BigCry::BigCry::BigCry::BigCry::BigCry:
:Rolling::Rolling::Rolling::Rolling:

[stevo68]

Wouldn't worry about it Chris, 99.9% of those on over 150K PA wouldn't know a hard days graft if it came up an bit them on the posterior,

And why the hell should they get the baby bonus....and why should they pay the same tax as the bloke that has to do 80 hrs a week to bring his net up

most of em are what we used to call "silver spoons" mommy & dady had money so best schools all the advantages , then moan about the bloke who had to start work at 14 to help support the family still slogs his guts out on the factory floor at age 55 with comment like well he should do better, I did...but they seem to forget the advantages they had were probley not avabial to the battler...

The views expressed above are mine

Tony What a load of rubbish, you obviously do not know many people who earn over $150k p.a and moreso smacks of "poor is me". I have earnt and know many people who earn over that sort of income. I know many self made millionaires and I can tell you it is bloody hard work to earn that sort of coin. For sure, some may have come from strong backgrounds to get a start but ultimately it is still up to the individual. I also know people who have come from nothing and worked their way up in different fields and industries because they wanted something better for themselves and their families.

There is a book called "Living In America" and it traces immigrants who came to the US, some literally diving overboard and starting a new life and have ended up multi millionaires. One story was of a Vietnemese husband and wife who for 2 years slept on heshian sacks in their cousins bakery to save up enough money to buy their own whilst they worked their. They ended up with a chain of them.

It really gets my nose these sort of comments as it generally is unfounded and unsubstantiated...as you state it is your opinion and we all know what we say about opinions...there like aholes...we all have them. Deal factually and you have a better chance of being at least taken seriously. As for the bloke who flogs his guts on a factory floor...a lot of the time, that is by CHOICE. Yes folks we have choices in life, those of us with a brain, 2 arms, 2 legs etc. Most people do not want to take the risk that others take, to take on the study, to take on the risks etc etc. Its also why only roughly 5% of the population retire independantly wealthy. Yes a small minority may have inherited wealth, the majority have had to spend a life time working their butts off to get that way. Its not to say that others do not also work as hard but where there putting their hard sweat and tears is predominately by choice....not someone holding a gun to their head.

Theres thats my rant...first one for a bloody long time too :D,

Regards

Stevo

[RonMcGr]

It was a beauty, as well :)

I do know a few people with serious money.
Came up from rags to riches.

I do not know or associate with anyone who lives on "Inherited" money. I did know one in my younger days and he was so full of it, I've never wanted to know another!

People who fight for what they have are generally nice down to earth people, not elitist socialites, looking down at you from the tip of their nose!

[Slunnie]

I make my decisions based on who the person is, and in my experiences there hasn't been a connection between how good a person they are in relation to how much they earn or how they've come into their money. I'm just a school teacher so not exactly loaded, but after working in NSW's and possibly one of Australias most prestigious schools for the last 9 years, I've crossed more than my fair share of these people, and just about all were very decent human beings and very down to earth. The "outside" public definately has some major misconceptions about the school I was in and the community involved.

[tony]

I think that this is a really unfair call to be honest. Perhaps those that earn over $150K also say the same about those that don't earn as much.

I also find it interesting that so many people have the value that, in essence, the more tax you pay, the less you should be entitled to it's benefits. Something I see so often in the private/public school funding debate.


Why is it unfair if your job pays you 150k PA for a 36 hr week, well done but why should the guy who has to work overtime to bring his money up to par pay 50c in the dollar on that o/t Public /privite school funding you give me a honest to god reason why privite schools deserve more money from the .Gov purse than public schools...go on give me a reasond answer...


but what about the self educated battler, or self employed bloke who does work 80-100 hours a week and who does earn $150k a year? the whole arguement is flawed... to assume only/mainly 'silver spoons' earn $150k annually is patently untrue... if I work hard, and my company rewards me or my personal business is sucessful and I earn $150k per year, then why shouldn't I enjoy more than 50% of the money I've earnt?

Just because I work hard and long hours should not mean I shouldn't be rewarded... geez I know people who earn more per month (in wages) than I do annually and belive it or not, this particular bloke I'm thinking of pays through the nose for the privilege - never sees his family, always travelling for work, has a bed in the office etc... would I swap with him? no way, my life is more balanced, but I can definitely say that fella would kill for the chance to spend 20 hours more per week with his children. YOU and only YOU are responsible for whatever financial position you find yourself in... yes there are bad luck stories, yes there are those who need to be supported (e.g. teachers, nurses, coppers, military etc) but plenty more could become better educated, could aim to be a team leader or supervisor but would rather not get the responsibility and just moan...


You did'nt read my post very well or I didnt explain it very well if you put in the ot no you should'nt be penisilesed for it by jumping into higher tax brackets...

What a load of rubbish, you obviously do not know many people who earn over $150k p.a and moreso smacks of "poor is me". I have earnt and know many people who earn over that sort of income. I know many self made millionaires and I can tell you it is bloody hard work to earn that sort of coin. For sure, some may have come from strong backgrounds to get a start but ultimately it is still up to the individual. I also know people who have come from nothing and worked their way up in different fields and industries because they wanted something better for themselves and their families.

There is a book called "Living In America" and it traces immigrants who came to the US, some literally diving overboard and starting a new life and have ended up multi millionaires. One story was of a Vietnemese husband and wife who for 2 years slept on heshian sacks in their cousins bakery to save up enough money to buy their own whilst they worked their. They ended up with a chain of them.

It really gets my nose these sort of comments as it generally is unfounded and unsubstantiated...as you state it is your opinion and we all know what we say about opinions...there like aholes...we all have them. Deal factually and you have a better chance of being at least taken seriously. As for the bloke who flogs his guts on a factory floor...a lot of the time, that is by CHOICE. Yes folks we have choices in life, those of us with a brain, 2 arms, 2 legs etc. Most people do not want to take the risk that others take, to take on the study, to take on the risks etc etc. Its also why only roughly 5% of the population retire independantly wealthy. Yes a small minority may have inherited wealth, the majority have had to spend a life time working their butts off to get that way. Its not to say that others do not also work as hard but where there putting their hard sweat and tears is predominately by choice....not someone holding a gun to their head.

Theres thats my rant...first one for a bloody long time too :D,

Regards
Stevo

I know quite a few people who earn well in excess of that, and as for your comment "smacks of poor is me" I retired at 44 I own everything I have ok so my little house has'nt got waterfront views but its all mine...ok so I dont drive a RRS but the SIIA, 88 rangie, 83 Range,85 Rangie are all mine
And what the hell as Yank land in the 1920's got to do with anything now

And as for aholes I'll take mine and Chris's ( lockers) over yours any day of the week...let me guess privite school never had a callous on you hands in your intire working life....

Tony:angel::angel::angel::angel::angel::angel:

[dobbo]

IMHO I don't see why Lokka shouldn't have to justify himself, he does a bloody good job with his kids and deserves a lot more than what he gets.

As for the higher income earners, I'm not one of them but from what some other users have posted I'm in the same bracket as them users. And I am far from rich. The way it works out for my wife to return to work she would have to clear "net income" 60k pa to break even with the costs of childcare both before and after school, commuting etc... so who'll give her a 90k+ pa position after 6yrs out of work?

We get SFA from the government, because of my earning in fact we were better of with the family allowance when I earn 1/2 the amount I do now. We don't live a champaign lifestyle. I do work on average 40 - 50 hr weeks of shiftwork for this income and it's killing me slowly. I cannot do it forever, in the years I have done it I have gained 30 plus kilo's, I now suffer from insominia and have hardly any social life and generally feel like crud. Due to feeling like crud I am addicted to Caffeine and still nicotene. My fault, I never applied myself and took up the "opportunities" I was offered as a teenager (prefering to pee it up the wall) I found a way to gain a decent income without a degree. It did however come with a price, and it was this lifestyle.

My neighbours get plastered everyday and can afford to do so due to their "work impairments", if they didn't get they're payment they'd still make ends meet, until they get caught by Mr Plod.

So who deserves my taxes more, my neighbours or decent single parents like Lokka? If it were up to me he'd have all of my taxes.

As for opportunities, some people do rise from nothing and bloom, others fall from grace. Just because they have a decent up bringing does not mean they are destined to achieve greatness. Mummy and Daddy can only do so much.

[81stubee]

I do see a reason for cutting back the baby bonus at high incomes, BUT how the hell did they come up with 150K????? In my opinion a husband and wife earning what I consider reasonable salary of 75K would clear that easily. I can't see a reason why they shouldn't get encouragement for starting a family.

But a family with an annual income of 500K plus living in Toorak, in my opinion should be able to support themselves, they chose that lifestyle. And I have met these people who ask tradies to hide and not be seen when guests come around, and those that can talk to you as an equal, like the bloke in Toorak who gave me a couple of bottles of wine for working to get his lights finished on Christmas Eve because he wanted to go on holiday.

But then what about 18 yo Caroline from, one of those suburbs where teenagers push prams. "Lets have a baby because I can get $5K" Believe me I have heard that logic before.

I think there is merit in the idea, but it has not been properly thought out.

Phew I'm glad thats over.

Stu

[Slunnie]

Why is it unfair if your job pays you 150k PA for a 36 hr week, well done but why should the guy who has to work overtime to bring his money up to par pay 50c in the dollar on that o/t Public /privite school funding you give me a honest to god reason why privite schools deserve more money from the .Gov purse than public schools...go on give me a reasond answer...

So would that mean that if the person earning 150k put in overtime there should be a tax break on the o/t worked? I know how I'd be recording my time sheets. But as I understand it, what you're really saying is that income tax levels should be based on effort.... I'm not sure how you'd sell that one to the population.

Private schools receive more than public schools? Perhaps if you compare a big Systemic school to a small central school. If you work out the funding per kid a private school doesn't receive more funding than a public school. Thats not what the media will have you hear though. The funding is also teired so the poor private schools receive more funding than the ones that have self help programs in place. My opinion is that anybody that wants to add to the educational dollar that their kid is entitled to from the government and their taxes have paid for, well, they should be able to. There is no logical reason to have somebody that pays more tax to be less eligible to receive the benefits, and likewise I don't believe that there should be penalties for parents that want to pay extra money into their kids education, especially considering that they're probably already tipping in more than their fair share.

[Slunnie]

Hands up who thinks they could run this country :D


Bet its not as easy as you all seem to think :twisted:
I agree. And we are merciless in our criticism of anybody that dares to step up to the plate.

[RonMcGr]

I can think of many who would be better that the clowns voted in!
The ability of gullible people to believe absolute cr*p from a pair of clowns, horrifies me.

Australia is unfortunately becoming too much like the USA.

Voting for a federal Government should NOT be compulsory!
That way we may NOT get the "idiot" vote.!

[dullbird]

well i reckon scrap the baby bonus..............:) would save a hell of a lot of arguing on here;)

you should be only having children if you really want them and can AFFORD them...

there should be no cash incentive

[numpty]

I can think of many who would be better that the clowns voted in!
The ability of gullible people to believe absolute cr*p from a pair of clowns, horrifies me.

Australia is unfortunately becoming too much like the USA.

Voting for a federal Government should NOT be compulsory!
That way we may NOT get the "idiot" vote.!


I'll say it again Ron.......you are a bigot.:o As some of us have pointed out to you before, these same people voted for the other side before, but by your twisted logic they must have been heroes then.:angel:

[stevo68]

I know quite a few people who earn well in excess of that, and as for your comment "smacks of poor is me" I retired at 44 I own everything I have ok so my little house has'nt got waterfront views but its all mine...ok so I dont drive a RRS but the SIIA, 88 rangie, 83 Range,85 Rangie are all mine
And what the hell as Yank land in the 1920's got to do with anything now

And as for aholes I'll take mine and Chris's ( lockers) over yours any day of the week...let me guess privite school never had a callous on you hands in your intire working life....

Tony:angel::Rolling::Rolling:Ok for starters it is "private" and "entire". Secondly perhaps you should re read your post and then take into account the posts that follow. Let me highlight for you, obviously retirement has taken off the edge.


Wouldn't worry about it Chris, 99.9% of those on over 150K PA wouldn't know a hard days graft if it came up an bit them on the posterior, So substantiate, where is your factual basis for this. Are the people you know that earn that sort of coin fall into that category. Are they bums who happen to earn an above average income? Is it based on one person or a couple??



most of em are what we used to call "silver spoons" mommy & dady had money so best schools all the advantages , then moan about the bloke who had to start work at 14 to help support the family still slogs his guts out on the factory floor at age 55 with comment like well he should do better, I did...but they seem to forget the advantages they had were probley not avabial to the battler... Again substantiate.....who are all these "silver spoon" people? I went to the school Slunnie teaches at, many were farmers who sent their children to boarding school, many were normal folk who went without to give their children the best start.

Who are these people moaning about the bloke who had to start work at 14. I'm surrounded by these so called silver spoons and guess what, they don't bemoan the poor bloke on the factory floor.

Again, who are these people you speak of...people you know personally? Where does self responsibility come into the equation. My ex wife, left school at 16, we split up about 10 yrs ago, she had 2 young children ( well shared care)...she put herself through Uni and now is a lawyer with a double degree. My current partner/ fiancee, when I met her, she had a then 7 yr old, working part time and going to Uni to do a Commerce degree. I could go on and on and on with similiar type stories. I took 2 yrs off and did my degree in Commerce at 30, whilst going through a divorce, missing my children etc, so I could do it in a short time frame, had to pay through the nose, and yes you got some spoilt brats there, but most normal people working hard to better there future. I also know people from lesser backgrounds and you have the equivalent grubby, bludging element. It is across the board hence why I take people at face value and dont pass judgement.

As for the rest of your twaddle, where did I say about the US in the 1920's, the relevance was that people from very humble backgrounds rose to be very wealthy...ie refuting your inane claims. As for lockers :confused::confused:, don't know what that has to do with anything. Lastly...callouses, spent most of my growing years on a farm and plan to end back there so :p,

Regards

Stevo

[dullbird]

in all fairness stevo you to say I do know people, your asking people to substantiate and provide factual basis but at times you dont your self....

when they say silver spoon people i dont see how its any different from you saying i know a coupld of people......as just like them you too could be exagerating to strengthen your argument just as they could be.


:Rolling::Rolling:Ok for starters it is "private" and "entire". Secondly perhaps you should re read your post and then take into account the posts that follow. Let me highlight for you, obviously retirement has taken off the edge.

So substantiate, where is your factual basis for this. Are the people you know that earn that sort of coin fall into that category. Are they bums who happen to earn an above average income? Is it based on one person or a couple??


Again substantiate.....who are all these "silver spoon" people? I went to the school Slunnie teaches at, many were farmers who sent their children to boarding school, many were normal folk who went without to give their children the best start.

Who are these people moaning about the bloke who had to start work at 14. I'm surrounded by these so called silver spoons and guess what, they don't bemoan the poor bloke on the factory floor.

Again, who are these people you speak of...people you know personally? Where does self responsibility come into the equation. My ex wife, left school at 16, we split up about 10 yrs ago, she had 2 young children ( well shared care)...she put herself through Uni and now is a lawyer with a double degree. My current partner/ fiancee, when I met her, she had a then 7 yr old, working part time and going to Uni to do a Commerce degree. I could go on and on and on with similiar type stories. I took 2 yrs off and did my degree in Commerce at 30, whilst going through a divorce, missing my children etc, so I could do it in a short time frame, had to pay through the nose, and yes you got some spoilt brats there, but most normal people working hard to better there future. I also know people from lesser backgrounds and you have the equivalent grubby, bludging element. It is across the board hence why I take people at face value and dont pass judgement.

As for the rest of your twaddle, where did I say about the US in the 1920's, the relevance was that people from very humble backgrounds rose to be very wealthy...ie refuting your inane claims. As for lockers :confused::confused:, don't know what that has to do with anything. Lastly...callouses, spent most of my growing years on a farm and plan to end back there so :p,

Regards

Stevo

[Disco_owner]

Hands up who thinks they could run this country :D









































Bet its not as easy as you all seem to think :twisted:


Alright I'll Volunteer.

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I reckon I could cut taxes , get rid of the Baby bonus :D, and make everyone earn the same ,but no overtime incentives thou :D:D:D

[stevo68]

in all fairness stevo you to say I do know people, your asking people to substantiate and provide factual basis but at times you dont your self....

when they say silver spoon people i dont see how its any different from you saying i know a coupld of people......as just like them you too could be exagerating to strengthen your argument just as they could be. With respect, perhaps try reading the original comments, it is not my job to substantiate, Tony has made off the cuff comments and is yet to back it up. I also have not said I know a couple either, if you read correctly, I know many, many people, in fact surrounded by people who supposedly wouldn't know a hard days work or are only in their position due to a "silver spoon". I grew up in that environment, at 30 I spent 2 years at a private university, again surrounded by these "supposed" people and in my business and personal life am surrounded. There is no exageration, let me make that exceptionally clear. It would be like me making a sweeping statement and saying everyone who drives a 10yr old + car must be a pauper.

Regards

Stevo

[81stubee]

So when is someone who drives there kid 2km in the city to school in their X5, Q7, and dare I say it RR hard done by?

Driving up Barkers road at 3:15 in the afternoon is like going to a prestige SUV car show.

Hang on, how did this thread start??? Oh thats right K Rudd has a nervous twitch, OH NO!!!! He must be lying.

Let me go eat some earwax :eek:

Stu

[RonMcGr]

I'll say it again Ron.......you are a bigot.:o As some of us have pointed out to you before, these same people voted for the other side before, but by your twisted logic they must have been heroes then.:angel:

Numpty,

There are people with planning and budget skills and then there are the workers who are used to doing what they are told.

The "Some of us" I would not trust to run a School raffle.
You have your beliefs and no one will ever change that!

You have no idea how I research, evaluate and summarize the ideas in politics.

I worked for 20 years in logistics, planning the movement of Military Brigades and Foreign Armies, with tight constraints, limited resources and given budgets.

I'd thank you to keep you unqualified comments and smart ideas to your self.

[dullbird]

With respect, perhaps try reading the original comments, it is not my job to substantiate, Tony has made off the cuff comments and is yet to back it up. I also have not said I know a couple either, if you read correctly, I know many, many people, in fact surrounded by people who supposedly wouldn't know a hard days work or are only in their position due to a "silver spoon". I grew up in that environment, at 30 I spent 2 years at a private university, again surrounded by these "supposed" people and in my business and personal life am surrounded. There is no exageration, let me make that exceptionally clear. It would be like me making a sweeping statement and saying everyone who drives a 10yr old + car must be a pauper.

Regards

Stevo

i have red thank you i was mearly pointing out an observation that i see in so many posts NOT JUST YOURS!!!!
and even so you can crap on all you like about where you live with and what you done in your life and my point being how do we know thats true and fact. but i suppose we know it is fact because you told us so!!

[EchiDna]

hmm this thread has degenerated somewhat...

Anyway, Tony, how can we make a rule that says one must work 50, 60, 80, 100 hours a week in order to be entitled to earn $150k (or whatever number we choose to put on it?). Plenty of people are on fixed wages (myself included) and I get no added "reward" for working longer other than the satisfaction of completing the job and keeping my job! if I chose to work 38 hours a week I'd be out on my **** within a few months...

A general statement, aimed at nobody in particular: We all reap what we sow.... try sowing a bit more and you too can reap more.... our grandparents never had the chance to get handouts whether they were in Australia or other lands, but many prospered despite this - those that watched life go by and don't take risks or put in, very very rarely get anything back out.... you might be lucky and inherit a large wad of cash, but unless it is a very large wad it will not last, will not teach you how to work, how to study, how to create your own wealth...

[dullbird]

hmm this thread has degenerated somewhat...

Anyway, Tony, how can we make a rule that says one must work 50, 60, 80, 100 hours a week in order to be entitled to earn $150k (or whatever number we choose to put on it?). Plenty of people are on fixed wages (myself included) and I get no added "reward" for working longer other than the satisfaction of completing the job and keeping my job! if I chose to work 38 hours a week I'd be out on my **** within a few months...

A general statement, aimed at nobody in particular: We all reap what we sow.... try sowing a bit more and you too can reap more.... our grandparents never had the chance to get handouts whether they were in Australia or other lands, but many prospered despite this - those that watched life go by and don't take risks or put in, very very rarely get anything back out.... you might be lucky and inherit a large wad of cash, but unless it is a very large wad it will not last, will not teach you how to work, how to study, how to create your own wealth...

put very well echidna

[stevo68]

i have red thank you i was mearly pointing out an observation that i see in so many posts NOT JUST YOURS!!!!
and even so you can crap on all you like about where you live with and what you done in your life and my point being how do we know thats true and fact. but i suppose we know it is fact because you told us so!!:confused::confused: Your observation was aimed precisely at myself, you even addressed to myself :angel:. Secondly, no you haven't read the posts correctly, because you are way off base. Comments were made in respect to people who earn $150k+, that these people have never known what it is like to work hard, that the only reason they are in that position is because they have silver spoons in their mouths and that it was because of what Mummy and Daddy afforded them. I have refuted that comment based on my own experiences, not necessarily about myself personally. Many people from any type of industry who have worked hard....despite what background they have come from, like many on this forum, who earn that sort of coin, would find those comments offensive.

Are there some that fall into that category...yes...I know them. Are there many that haven't, yes I know them, I have read about them, I come across them in every day life. Whether you wish to believe that or not, I couldn't give a rats. What I have presented are actual examples of how those comments do not ring true. Anybody can make a sweeping statement, if you are going to make a statement...right or wrong...at least back up that statement with some actual personal experience. Is that so hard? Also I haven't even mentioned anything to do with where I live or what I have done with my life, or does going to Uni constitute what I have done in my life?? At least be relevant,

Regards

Stevo

[dobbo]

Can someone shout us a bag of Popcorn, the larder is bare :D

this thread has almost everything

Last time I read one like this was..................... the last political based thread, same arguements, almost the same posts, same opinionated tossers and a Stevocentric universe

Keep it up guys, you make me feel proud to be associated with you lot.


Please not sarcasm

[dullbird]

Can someone shout us a bag of Popcorn, the larder is bare :D

this thread has almost everything

Last time I read one like this was..................... the last political based thread, same arguements, almost the same posts, same opinionated tossers and a Stevocentric universe

Keep it up guys, you make me feel proud to be associated with you lot.


Please not sarcasm

:Rolling: :Rolling: :Rolling:
your so right but i bet it give you something to read on your insomniac nights:p

[dullbird]

wait for it

wait fooooor iiiiiiit

[Panda]

Does anyone want to place bets as to how many more posts until this one gets deleted?:Rolling::Rolling::Rolling::Rolling:

Reminds me of the weekend when we were debating with some fellow AULROians (in the flesh!) ... needless to say not everyone agreed with the opinions floating around. Someone said "Delete! Delete! Delete!" It was an absolute crack-up!:D

[stevo68]

Can someone shout us a bag of Popcorn, the larder is bare :D

this thread has almost everything

Last time I read one like this was..................... the last political based thread, same arguements, almost the same posts, same opinionated tossers and a Stevocentric universe

Keep it up guys, you make me feel proud to be associated with you lot.


Please not sarcasm I was never in the last political based thread, I stayed out of that one:p. Secondly what do you mean by Stevocentric universe, if your going to have a crack at me, at least explain. Do I not make a fair arguement? Do I come from my position...of course. My experiences...of course. Would I try and enter a debate on a topic I know nothing about...no. Is everybodies comments an opinion based on their own personal experiences....generally yes, so why does that make them tossers. Your quite keen to express your points of view on many topics...does that make you a tosser...or somebody simply expressing your own experiences? I've got no qualms if someone offers a different perspective, but at least make it relevant, for some that seems to hard, it is easier to just take a cheap shot. I don't think the thread has degenerated at all, moreso people pointing out an opposing position based on personal experience...pretty normal stuff as far as I know,

Regards

Stevo

[dobbo]

I was never in the last political based thread, I stayed out of that one:p. Secondly what do you mean by Stevocentric universe, if your going to have a crack at me, at least explain. Do I not make a fair arguement? Do I come from my position...of course. My experiences...of course. Would I try and enter a debate on a topic I know nothing about...no. Is everybodies comments an opinion based on their own personal experiences....generally yes, so why does that make them tossers. Your quite keen to express your points of view on many topics...does that make you a tosser...or somebody simply expressing your own experiences? I've got no qualms if someone offers a different perspective, but at least make it relevant, for some that seems to hard, it is easier to just take a cheap shot. I don't think the thread has degenerated at all, moreso people pointing out an opposing position based on personal experience...pretty normal stuff as far as I know,

Regards

Stevo

There are so many steve's in this world, numerous ones have posted in this thread why do you think I was talking about you?

[tony]

:Rolling::Rolling:Ok for starters it is "private" and "entire". Secondly perhaps you should re read your post and then take into account the posts that follow. Let me highlight for you, obviously retirement has taken off the edge.

Cobber I have no intention of geting into a ****ing contest with you but please be advised its Rons job to correct my spelling mistakes not yours
and no retirement has'nt taken the edge off I just forget there are people like you out there as I dont have to deal with the masses any longer.

So substantiate, where is your factual basis for this. Are the people you know that earn that sort of coin fall into that category. Are they bums who happen to earn an above average income? Is it based on one person or a couple??


Cobber its based on people I know on a bussiness level and that carried over onto a personal level. One LT. Col. thinks hes had a bad year if he earnt under 300k but hes one of the few execptions I still talk too.
Most of the silver spoon ruperts I would'nt give the time of day to now..

Again substantiate.....who are all these "silver spoon" people? I went to the school Slunnie teaches at, many were farmers who sent their children to boarding school, many were normal folk who went without to give their children the best start.

Well well well privite school if they could afford to send you there they wernt exatley avarage working class now were they...

Who are these people moaning about the bloke who had to start work at 14. I'm surrounded by these so called silver spoons and guess what, they don't bemoan the poor bloke on the factory floor.

You when you replyed to lockers post

Again, who are these people you speak of...people you know personally? Where does self responsibility come into the equation. My ex wife, left school at 16, we split up about 10 yrs ago, she had 2 young children ( well shared care)...she put herself through Uni and now is a lawyer with a double degree. My current partner/ fiancee, when I met her, she had a then 7 yr old, working part time and going to Uni to do a Commerce degree. I could go on and on and on with similiar type stories. I took 2 yrs off and did my degree in Commerce at 30, whilst going through a divorce, missing my children etc, so I could do it in a short time frame, had to pay through the nose, and yes you got some spoilt brats there, but most normal people working hard to better there future. I also know people from lesser backgrounds and you have the equivalent grubby, bludging element. It is across the board hence why I take people at face value and dont pass judgement.

As for the rest of your twaddle, where did I say about the US in the 1920's, the relevance was that people from very humble backgrounds rose to be very wealthy.

I was haveing a guess in responce to your statment about the VC couple who slept on the floor in a bakery and now own a chain of em
..ie refuting your inane claims. As for lockers :confused::confused:, don't know what that has to do with anything. Lastly...callouses, spent most of my growing

Mate are you on this planet or what....that sliver spoon must stop you sleeping all this was in response to the slaging you gave Locker in your first post in this thread
years on a farm and plan to end back there so :p,

Yep I suggest you do , go supervise the bloke who does the work:angel:

Regards

Stevo


With respect, perhaps try reading the original comments, it is not my job to substantiate, Tony has made off the cuff comments and is yet to back it up. I also have not said I know a couple either, if you read correctly, I know many, many people, in fact surrounded by people who supposedly wouldn't know a hard days work or are only in their position due to a "silver spoon". I grew up in that environment, at 30 I spent 2 years at a private university, again surrounded by these "supposed" people and in my business and personal life am surrounded. There is no exageration, let me make that exceptionally clear. It would be like me making a sweeping statement and saying everyone who drives a 10yr old + car must be a pauper.

Regards

Stevo


Well you allready reckon I'm poor an moaning about it, momy an dady could afford to send you to a privite school for starters, you could afford to not work for 2 years to attend a privite uni mate not avarge working class are you...


this will be my last post in this thread just in case i forget the :rulez:

Tony

[numpty]

Numpty,

There are people with planning and budget skills and then there are the workers who are used to doing what they are told.

The "Some of us" I would not trust to run a School raffle.
You have your beliefs and no one will ever change that!

You have no idea how I research, evaluate and summarize the ideas in politics.

I worked for 20 years in logistics, planning the movement of Military Brigades and Foreign Armies, with tight constraints, limited resources and given budgets.

I'd thank you to keep you unqualified comments and smart ideas to your self.

My point is Ron, that who you are, what you've done and how you did/do it has nothing to do with my post. You stated and have before, that anyone who voted for the party that you don't support, was an "idiot".

I would suggest you check your dictionary, as that makes your responses bigoted.

[stevo68]

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There are so many steve's in this world, numerous ones have posted in this thread why do you think I was talking about you? Arrrr c'mon, wasn't born yesterday....considering Im the only Steve in this thread and apparently known for having an opinion, you, me and good ol Dullbird knew that was aimed at me:angel:. Besides, quite like the term :D.

Now as for Tony...............my first post was in response to yours??????? I never even made comment in respect to Lokka's post. Methinks you have got the wrong end of the stick. My response was in respect to the comments you made. Maybe I am on the wrong planet? No, my parents were not average working class, but what has that got to do with anything.

What, if anything, and obviously to hard to digest, was making comment that people who earn a $150k+ per year work just as hard as many people do earning a lot less. Knowing a few blokes who fall into your category doesn't mean all people fall into that category. Also was not trying to start a peeing contest, moreso a different perspective to your comments.

Regards

Stevo

[dullbird]

Interesting, the most thanked post in here was Tombie's post which has been re iterated in different ways since.

Arrrr c'mon, wasn't born yesterday....considering Im the only Steve in this thread and apparently known for having an opinion,
you, me and good ol Dullbird knew that was aimed at me:angel:. Besides, quite like the term :D.

Now as for Tony...............my first post was in response to yours??????? I never even made comment in respect to Lokka's post. Methinks you have got the wrong end of the stick. My response was in respect to the comments you made. Maybe I am on the wrong planet? No, my parents were not average working class, but what has that got to do with anything.

What, if anything, and obviously to hard to digest, was making comment that people who earn a $150k+ per year work just as hard as many people do earning a lot less. Knowing a few blokes who fall into your category doesn't mean all people fall into that category. Also was not trying to start a peeing contest, moreso a different perspective to your comments.

Regards

Stevo

yeh i figured that was amied at you:D but thats not what i was agreeing with when i said so right, i was agreeing to the same political post same old answers same old opinions bit......

[rangieman]

yeh i figured that was amied at you:D but thats not what i was agreeing with when i said so right, i was agreeing to the same political post same old answers same old opinions bit......
And the same old same old ;)

[Panda]

I had to say I believe Steve is on the mark on this one.

We still tend to live in with the "tall poppy" syndrome. All the people I know, or have known who earn big bucks, have had to make enormous sacrifices for their money & lifestyles. If anything, they tend to work a lot harder than people like myself, & require far greater discipline. Most, if not all, professional people spend years & years (in some cases 8 years)studying at Uni, very difficult in itself - as you still have to support yourself. Quite often they study at Uni, while working in a fulltime job, (on crap wages) having to go to Uni 3 or 4 nights a week, find time to study, miss out on the social life that most young people take for granted when they leave school (party, party, party). I admire their tenacity and determination.

When they eventually finish Uni, they work in high paid and high pressure jobs that require long hours. They also have enormous responsibility. It is not unusual for them to work until late at night & on weekends, and in many instances, travel interstate or overseas, which is not all it's cracked up to be. It's the price they pay for the higher wages & lifestyle they seek.

Unfortunately for me, I was never that dedicated or focussed. Well, to be truthful, all I wanted was to have a big family & look after my husband & kids. But, by jove, times have changed!

So really, everyone is different. We need the big earners, just as we need the middle earners & the low earners. Not everyone has the drive to be something else, for some people it may be incredibly easy, but for a lot of people, it can be too daunting because their makeup is not the same.

We would be in a terrible state if we only had rich people in society, just as we would be in trouble if we only had poor people in society. Society needs balance, which I think we've got quite a bit of in our country.

As far as "silver spoon in the mouth" syndrome. My father came to Australia from South Africa in the mid 50's with nothing but the clothes on his back. He got a job with a finance company, in the mailroom. He worked his way up over many years, to become the Managing Director of the company. Just to reinforce, we hardly saw him, as he was always home late or travelling around the world, which he stressed was no fun, just bloody hard work. When he left that company, (by the time he was in his late 50's the stress was taking its toll),he started his own company importing. We were very lucky as kids, lived in a nice house, always plenty of food on the table, nice holidays etc, private schools, etc, etc. However, when we left school, we were not given everything on a silver plate, we had to work for it.


:confused::confused: Your observation was aimed precisely at myself, you even addressed to myself :angel:. Secondly, no you haven't read the posts correctly, because you are way off base. Comments were made in respect to people who earn $150k+, that these people have never known what it is like to work hard, that the only reason they are in that position is because they have silver spoons in their mouths and that it was because of what Mummy and Daddy afforded them. I have refuted that comment based on my own experiences, not necessarily about myself personally. Many people from any type of industry who have worked hard....despite what background they have come from, like many on this forum, who earn that sort of coin, would find those comments offensive.

Are there some that fall into that category...yes...I know them. Are there many that haven't, yes I know them, I have read about them, I come across them in every day life. Whether you wish to believe that or not, I couldn't give a rats. What I have presented are actual examples of how those comments do not ring true. Anybody can make a sweeping statement, if you are going to make a statement...right or wrong...at least back up that statement with some actual personal experience. Is that so hard? Also I haven't even mentioned anything to do with where I live or what I have done with my life, or does going to Uni constitute what I have done in my life?? At least be relevant,

Regards

Stevo

[tony]

Now as for Tony...............my first post was in response to yours??????? I never even made comment in respect to Lokka's post. Methinks you have got the wrong end of the stick. My response was in respect to the comments you made. Maybe I am on the wrong planet? No, my parents were not average working class, but what has that got to do with anything.


Stevo

Bugger its a bitch when you cock up, yep your right, my first post was aimed at Tombies reply to Lockers..the brain must be atrophying in my retierment:angel::angel:

serenity now

Tony

[dullbird]

Bit like a broken record eh DB? :D:D


yeeuuuuuuuup!!!!

[Slunnie]

I'm now not sure why we're having this discussion. I've just seen this on Overlander Forum.

We're all affluent. Perhaps it's merely a relative term. :D



Overlanders like to rough it with coffee


20th May 2008, 11:30 WST




Australia's rugged outback tucker was once damper and tea. Today it's more likely to be friand and a macchiato.
So say researchers who have looked closely at the sort of Australians who are trekking inland in their four-wheel drives, and how they live when they get there.
Dr Dean Carson, from the Desert Knowledge Cooperative Research Centre and Charles Darwin University, says detailed surveys of 4WD desert travellers have revealed some contradictory characteristics, as well as considerable potential for better services and for developing the full potential of 4WD tourism.
For instance, the typical 4WD traveller does not want too much help.
"They prefer not to travel on well-signposted and formed roads," Dr Carson said in a statement.
"They take pride in being competent with maps and GPS systems."
Kitting out a 4WD vehicle and getting it to the desert required a fair amount of money.
"Four-wheel drive travellers tend to have relatively high incomes and affluent lifestyles.
"So, while they want to rough it for parts of the trip, they also like some luxuries when they do get in touch with civilisation.
"In our interviews and surveys we found a particular desire for better food, better coffee, better accommodation in the towns and communities along the way."
Dr Carson says research shows there are four main types of 4WD desert travellers, with the largest group being the explorer market, whose main focus is to travel a particular track, or get to sites they think are seldom visited by other people.
"Their activities are driving, sightseeing, relaxing at the end of the day with a bottle - usually red," he said.
"The second-biggest market are those who are using the 4WD vehicle to get to places where they can pursue particular activities such as fossicking, bird-watching, fishing, caving or bushwalking.
"The third market is those who want to test their vehicle and their driving skills. Their key activity is driving.
"Fourthly, there is the market of 4WD drivers who may be in the desert for other reasons but take the opportunity do short trips where they use the 4WD capacity of their vehicles."
AAP

[dobbo]

Bit like a broken record eh DB? :D:D

Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Yoko, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Yoko.




Makes as much sense as some of the other posts in this thread

[rovercare]

Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Yoko, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Yoko.




Makes as much sense as some of the other posts in this thread

Good ol' Barney Gumble:D

[EchiDna]

Good ol' Barney Gumble:D

oo-er... you must be even younger than I thought :)


Revolution 9
(John Lennon, Paul McCartney)
Lead Vocals: John Lennon, Yoko Ono and George Harrison

[Bottle of Claret for you if I had realised...

Well, do it next time.

I forgot about it, George, I'm sorry.
Will you forgive me?

Yes.]

Number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9
Number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9
Number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number...

...then there's this Welsh Rarebit wearing some brown underpants
...about the shortage of grain in hertfordshire

Everyone of them knew that as time went by they'd get a little bit older and a litter slower but...

It's all the same thing, in this case manufactured by someone who's always/umpteen ...
Your father's giving it diddly-i-dee/district was leaving...
Intended to die ... Ottoman
...long gone through...
I've got to say, irritably and...
...floors, hard enough to put on ... per day's MD in our district
There was not really enough light to get down
And ultimately ... slumped down
Suddenly...

They may stop the funding...
Place your bets
The original
Afraid she'll die ...
Great colours for the season

Number 9, number 9

Who's to know?
Who was to know?

Number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9
Number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9
Number 9, number 9

I sustained nothing worse than ...

Also, for example
Whatever you're doing
A business deal falls through

I informed him on the third night, when fortune gives...

People ride, people ride
Ride, ride, ride, ride, ride

Number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9

Ride! Ride!

Number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9

...I've missed all of that
It makes me a few days late
Compared with, like, wow!
And weird stuff like that...

...taking our sides sometimes
...floral bark

Rouge doctors have brought this specimen

I have nobody's short-cuts, aha...

9, number 9

...with the situation

They are standing still

The plan, the telegram...
Number 9, number...

A man without terrors from beard to false
As the headmaster reported to my son
He really can try, as they do, to find function...
Tell what he was saying, and his voice was low and his hive high
And his eyes were low...

Alright!

It was on fire and his glasses were the same
This thing knows if it was tinted
But you know it isn't
To me it is...

Number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9
Number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9
Number 9

So the wife called me and we'd better go to see a surgeon to price it ...
Yellow underclothes
So, any road, we went to see the dentist instead
Who gave her a pair of teeth which wasn't any good at all
So I said I'd marry, join the ****ing navy and went to sea

In my broken chair, my wings are broken and so is my hair

I'm not in the mood for whirling

How? Dogs for dogging, hands for clapping
Birds for birding and fish for fishing
Them for themming and when for whimming

...only to find the night-watchman unaware of his
presence in the building

Number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9
Number 9

Industry allows financial imbalance

Thrusting it between his shoulder blades

The Watusi, the twist

Eldorado

Take this, brother, may it serve you well

Maybe it's nothing
What? What? Oh...

Maybe, even then, impervious in London

...could be difficult thing...
It's quick like rush for peace is because it's so much
Like being naked

It's alright, it's alright
It's alright, it's alright

It's alright, it's alright
It's alright, it's alright
It's alright

If, you became naked
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[dullbird]

WTF:eek:

[EchiDna]

....We're all affluent. Perhaps it's merely a relative term. :D

effluent is probably closer to the truth :)

blame kath and kim....

[rovercare]

oo-er... you must be even younger than I thought :)

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24 to be precise:eek:

I turned 40 , 6 years ago but:D

My old boy, said, I was born an old man

[LandyAndy]

Well I got to stir the pot wicked:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:
LOVE IT!!!!
Ok KRUDD and his minders OBVIOUSLY monitor AULRO.
The CRETON was chatting away on the news tonite WITHOUT BLINKING ONCE!!!!,WHAT A TRAINABLE CIRCUS ANIMAL WE HAVE IN CHARGE:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool: JUST WHAT WE NEED RUNNING THE SHOW:eek::eek::eek::eek:
KRUDD was talking on something he seemed real comfortable with,no blinking(NO BS).Perhaps we need a seperate forum,I CAUGHT KEVIN BLINKING:D:D:D:D:D:D
Watch for the BLINKS,its a laugh!!!
Andrew

[mightgeta4be]

:soapbox: Talk about 9 pages of useless crap. Death and taxes. They are always a certainty. No amount of ranting and raving will change it. The majority of Australians have voted. Accept the result and get on with it. Thats what a democracy is about. If your not happy with the results, speak to your democratically voted in member and get things changed.
Better still,:spudnikconfounded: join a political party and become a politician or a pussy their both the same

[Ralph1Malph]

Wow,
I posted what I thought was a witty sarcastic comment on page one or two and haven't revisited the thread since.:angel:

My, how the posts have accumulated.:eek:

For my 10c worth, this is the reason why I did, and still do, support a consumption tax (GST, VAT, whatever). The more you spend, the more you pay.

Keep the thread going, it's just a shame there isn't a 'dong on the nong' button :D:D:D:D. When u push the button and someone reads the post, a big inflatable hammer leaps out of their screen and 'dongs them on the nong' :twisted::twisted::twisted:

Now, that'd make you blink (back on thread):p


Ralph

[Tombie]

So!

Did we ever work out...

How much is 'too much' income?

How many hours we should work?

and.. the ultimate question...

If you strap a piece of buttered toast to the back of a cat and then drop it from the roof.. Will it spin endlessly ?

[dobbo]

So!

Did we ever work out...

How much is 'too much' income?

seems like 150k, could be 120k though


How many hours we should work?
A lot less than what you and I do



and.. the ultimate question...

If you strap a piece of buttered toast to the back of a cat and then drop it from the roof.. Will it spin endlessly ?

No, just like any angry cat, it spins, it spits, it scratches and squeals and takes it's pound of flesh from you as you free it from your arms. Flying through the air it sounds very similar to an old claxon horn. Upon impact it turns to catty pattë and gets consumed by fat basties like you and me.

[Disco_owner]

So!

Did we ever work out...

How much is 'too much' income?

How many hours we should work?

and.. the ultimate question...

If you strap a piece of buttered toast to the back of a cat and then drop it from the roof.. Will it spin endlessly ?

I believe It will only Spin once...:D:D once all legs are pointing Downwards

[RonMcGr]

My point is Ron, that who you are, what you've done and how you did/do it has nothing to do with my post. You stated and have before, that anyone who voted for the party that you don't support, was an "idiot".

I would suggest you check your dictionary, as that makes your responses bigoted.

FYI, "Bigoted" is the term used for psycho neurotic labor voters who think the sun shines out of their leaders a*se!

Innumerate is generally the cause of the problem, often shadowing their Fathers beliefs! It is a similar to the obsession with Ford or Holden.

I HAVE voted for the labor party. At the time, the leader had good, sound workable ideas that did indeed fix the current governments problem.

However, in the case of Krudd, Mickey Mouse would do a better job!

[barney]

WELL, i told you so!
the only satisfying thing about KRUDD's lies is that i am going to be swimming in smugness when some of my mates who voted for him realise what a screw-up he is and start complaining, and by the sound of it, that day is not too far away.:D:D:D

[Redback]

Body language is hard to hide. :)
Now, I have a very good imagination, however I could never in my wildest dreams, picture Rudd and Swan, sitting in a "Workers Bar", having a beer and chatting with "the guys"!

What I can picture, is the two in a Ladies Lounge, or Gay Bar, sipping "Pink Gins.":eek::eek:


Do you picture this often, is this a secret fantasy of yours Ron:p

Baz.

[adm333]

The job of Prime Minister is not necessarily an easy one.


In their role, the following is guaranteed…..


1. Every comment, action and facial expression will be scrutinised by the media and the masses.
2. Lots of people will love you
3. Lots of people will hate you
4. Lots of people will not really care one way or another
5. You will never be able to please everyone


This thread and all others like it have exactly the same basic format.....

Starting with 1, the 3’s make a comment which is refuted by the 2’s.

2’s and 3’s (each with perfectly valid opinions) will argue and site personal examples whilst 4’s read on in amusement.

The end result will only be to prove point 5 which is probably something the 2's and 3's already knew.


Signed
Point 5 Aware

[RonMcGr]

WELL, i told you so!
the only satisfying thing about KRUDD's lies is that i am going to be swimming in smugness when some of my mates who voted for him realise what a screw-up he is and start complaining, and by the sound of it, that day is not too far away.:D:D:D

LOL :D
They won't admit it :eek:

[RonMcGr]

Do you picture this often, is this a secret fantasy of yours Ron:p

Baz.

Yes, and no!!! Nightmare not fantasy! :eek:

Those two I'll never have to worry about being in my pub, however Oxford St, Paddington, NSW should watch out :D

[dobbo]

Yes, and no!!! Nightmare not fantasy! :eek:

Those two I'll never have to worry about being in my pub, however Oxford St, Paddington, NSW should watch out :D


Why what happens at Oxford street Paddington that is out of the norm? One might say that area has a high population of very liberal minded people.

[numpty]

FYI, "Bigoted" is the term used for psycho neurotic labor voters who think the sun shines out of their leaders a*se!

Innumerate is generally the cause of the problem, often shadowing their Fathers beliefs! It is a similar to the obsession with Ford or Holden.

I HAVE voted for the labor party. At the time, the leader had good, sound workable ideas that did indeed fix the current governments problem.

However, in the case of Krudd, Mickey Mouse would do a better job!

Well there you go:eek: I believe that response only goes to prove my point.;)

[dobbo]

LOL :D
They won't admit it :eek:


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[RonMcGr]

Well there you go:eek: I believe that response only goes to prove my point.;)

Not the sharpest tool in the shed are you, "Numpty".
It is plainly obvious that you are incapable of understanding what I'm saying. Another one... Goodbye...

[numpty]

Not the sharpest tool in the shed are you, "Numpty".
It is plainly obvious that you are incapable of understanding what I'm saying. Another one... Goodbye...

:arms::arms::arms:

[dobbo]

Not the sharpest tool in the shed are you, "Numpty".
It is plainly obvious that you are incapable of understanding what I'm saying. Another one... Goodbye...


Thats because 95.9999999999999999999999% of the time your stick does the typing for you.


Welcome to the club numpty, invigerating isn't it.

[numpty]

Thats because 95.9999999999999999999999% of the time your stick does the typing for you.


Welcome to the club numpty, invigerating isn't it.

Now I can do and say anything I want!!!!!!:o How good is that.:p

[Scallops]

Now I can do and say anything I want!!!!!!:o How good is that.:p

Congratulations Perry! :BigThumb: That is a super achievement! :D I thought I had also made "the club" but when someone who shall remain nameless answers your threads, you know it not to be the case :(

[rovercare]

:arms::arms::arms:

:MileStone::TakeABow:Welcome, my friend, to the tribe of, Ignored by Ron-ians, Its a pleasure to have you here:blink:

[Scallops]

Just think what would happen if everyone strove to join the club? :eek:
:D

Maybe we should get badges made up.:wacko:

[RonMcGr]

Congratulations Perry! :BigThumb: That is a super achievement! :D I thought I had also made "the club" but when someone who shall remain nameless answers your threads, you know it not to be the case :(

You did, at one stage :)
I forget what happened, you must have made some sense at some stage. Others are still in there with blinkers on...
Blinkers are good on horses and other not so bright animals :D

[dobbo]

I can feel the love people, I can feel the love


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[numpty]

:MileStone::TakeABow:Welcome, my friend, to the tribe of, Ignored by Ron-ians, Its a pleasure to have you here:blink:

It's nice to be appreciated by someone:angel:

[numpty]

I can feel the love people, I can feel the love


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Deja Vu.........."Seems as though I've been here before":D

With apologies to Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young.

[dobbo]

Blinkers are good on horses and other not so bright animals :D

If thats the case give me your head circumference, I'll get the girl in the local saddlery to make some up for you.

[RonMcGr]

Sounds to me that you think Scallops is "not so bright" also then as he has been in the "Ignored by McGrrrrrrrrrrrr" club :D:D;)

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:lol2::lol2::lol2::lol2::Rolling:: Rolling::Rolling: What ever...

[Scallops]

Deja Vu.........."Seems as though I've been here before":D

With apologies to Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young.

You know Numpty - with all these replies - you surely run the risk of "saying something that makes sense" and being expelled from "the club". :no2:

[numpty]

You know Numpty - with all these replies - you surely run the risk of "saying something that makes sense" and being expelled from "the club". :no2:

Nooooooooooo!!!!!!

[TP7]

Interesting read is this thread.

The thing I find most interesting is the lack of knowledge people have about politics, the Australian economy and the international economy.

Our government (Coalition or Labor) have very little impact on the economy. John Howard has told you for 11 years that it was he who delivered prosperity. Ha ha ha ha. Funny how people bought it. With out the mining boom our economy would not be where it is today.

I hear the arguement about paying back debt and having suplusses. Howard had no other formula to control inflation and interest rates other than to continue to pull unprecedented levels of money out of the economy (Surpluss). Eventually this was not enough as every area of the Australian Business/ Economy ran in to a state of disrepair as he pulled money out of it and all the figures were taking a dive yet he played the popular political game right to the end. This leaves us where we are today.

The choice we have to make is continue to play popular politics (which it seems alot of comments on here suggest they want) or play fix the problem politics which will always be unpopular with the "I want it now" idealogy of our society.

At the last election the people overwelming said we want it fixed.

The next 3 years wont be pretty but the problems will get fixed. This is what Labor are always left to do after the conservatives have had the time f'ing it all up.

Don't believe what the media tell you, look past it and form your own opinion based on 20 years of facts rather than daily commentry by the media looking to make massive amounts of money from creating the perception of scandal.

By the way, has anyone noticed that the global economy is on the edge of recession if not already in it. I guess the impacts of this will be K Rudd's fault!

All the so called rich who think the poor deserve nothing. Imagine for a moment if all the poor said F the rich I ain't going to take it anymore and stop working. Where would the rich be then? Worse off than the poor I suggest as the poor have learnt how to live with nothing so their life would not change.

Politics is an emotive arguement. Economics is not it is based on facts and the fact is our economy has been in trouble for the last 2 years.

[dobbo]

Dobbo...you know Ron can't read your comments :spudnikconfounded:


I know.:D:D:D:D

[rovercare]

Others are still in there with blinkers on...
Blinkers are good on horses and other not so bright animals :D

One must wonder how it becomes, that us Ignored by Ron-ians have our blinkers on, yet he has us on his ignore list....Pot or the kettle:D

[FenianEel]

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[RonMcGr]

Politics is an emotive arguement. Economics is not it is based on facts and the fact is our economy has been in trouble for the last 2 years.

Not as much as it will get in the next three years :eek:

[rovercare]

All the so called rich who think the poor deserve nothing. Imagine for a moment if all the poor said F the rich I ain't going to take it anymore and stop working. Where would the rich be then? Worse off than the poor I suggest as the poor have learnt how to live with nothing so their life would not change.

.

Myself 24, and my parner 23, are on a combined income of 150k, we don't live like wealthy people, I have my folks old 68cm TV, a Big stereo, I bought when I was 18, a new leather lounge suite and that's about it,

We manage as though we're on 60k, the rest goes into the house, I'll own my 230k home well before 30. We'll be haveing children in the next year and when the house is owned then I'll be looking to invest in the future, why should "WE" miss out? and If it all turned pear shaped, I can still pay my repayments, bills etc, while netting $800 a week, as opposed to nearly 2k without a lifestyle change;)

So, your generalisation of how it would effect the "rich" is a little bemusing:D

[JamesH]

The inflation we are currently experiencing is externally driven and as a result there is not much either Government can do/would have done about it.

The last Fed Govt was pretty good at creating and maintaining surpluses and put them to good use reducing debt and creating the future fund.

This current Govt is smart enough to know that it does not have a mandate to do anything other than maintain the underpinning strategy and play around at the edges. Rudd set himself up as an alternative right wing govt. Thankfully.

It's no good the Coalition blaming the current Govt for what is happening now anymore than it is for Rudd to blame it is the fault of what went on before.

Where Swan has done badly is not so much in his actual policy decisions but the way he has managed perceptions. He looks weak and and out of his depth in his chicken little apocalyptic whineing. This effects consumer and investor confidence and can tend towards being a self fulfilling prophecy. Let's hope as he settles it passes away. Keating gave us Black Armband view of Australia's history (not personally but with his tacit support), Swan is now giving us Black Armband economics. They are trying desperately to re-write history becasue they despise Howard's legacy. But it is pointless, people will not forget how happy they were under Howard, yes luck had something to do with it just as Rudd is unlucky now.

Anyway, monetary policy will remain tight and should remain tight but you'll find the RBA will not go too far. With commodity prices boom,on one hand and the exchange rate on the other, not much is going to be achieved by continually whacking the mortgage holders either.

Inflation is going to stay a 4-5 for some time and interest rates are near their peak - unless things get worse overseas.

[lokka]

Myself 24, and my parner 23, are on a combined income of 150k, we don't live like wealthy people, I have my folks old 68cm TV, a Big stereo, I bought when I was 18, a new leather lounge suite and that's about it,

We manage as though we're on 60k, the rest goes into the house, I'll own my 230k home well before 30. We'll be haveing children in the next year and when the house is owned then I'll be looking to invest in the future, why should "WE" miss out? and If it all turned pear shaped, I can still pay my repayments, bills etc, while netting $800 a week, as opposed to nearly 2k without a lifestyle change;)

So, your generalisation of how it would effect the "rich" is a little bemusing:D


Your right you shouldent miss out if your on or just under the 150K PA ...

Its the people not couples or families who are up above the 150K mark that dont need things like a baby bonus or first home buyers grant tho as for taxes im not sure at what rate people above the 150k PA would pay but its fair to say that they should also recive some tax cuts but dont realy require the benifits on offer to the lower income earners ....

As for the Baby Bonus it should be scrapped alltogether it was never around when my kids were brought into the world and they never missed out .....

[p38arover]

Myself 24, and my parner 23, are on a combined income of 150k,
<snip>
So, your generalisation of how it would effect the "rich" is a little bemusing:D

About double my wife's and my combined income - so I think you're pretty rich.

[rovercare]

About double my wife's and my combined income - so I think you're pretty rich.

You mentioned in another thread, that when you took a redundancy payout, you started work 2 days later for 1/3rd of your wage, simple maths, says you were once in a well off state?:D

[Cap]

We manage as though we're on 60k, the rest goes into the house, I'll own my 230k home well before 30. We'll be haveing children in the next year....

Hey Matt, when you have children you WILL KNOW what it is to be poor!! :D

And arguing about what means to be rich or poor is like arguing about what 'Quality' means... everyone has their own perception.

[lokka]

About double my wife's and my combined income - so I think you're pretty rich.



One other thing i can say is that when i was your age which was 10 years back to just earn $800 take home pay i had to do about a 70HR week ....

If your taking home around the 2k mark u must spend plenty of tim at work or work all the back shifts to get the higher rate tho before my kids came along those figures were within reach for me too tho i spent more time at work than at home :D:D:D

Bugger ive Quoted the wrong post and cant seem to fix it ah well

[rovercare]

One other thing i can say is that when i was your age which was 10 years back to just earn $800 take home pay i had to do about a 70HR week ....

If your taking home around the 2k mark u must spend plenty of tim at work or work all the back shifts to get the higher rate tho before my kids came along those figures were within reach for me too tho i spent more time at work than at home :D:D:D

That's a combined net figure, I average $1450

[RonMcGr]

Inflation is going to stay a 4-5 for some time and interest rates are near their peak - unless things get worse overseas.

I'm hoping that Obama actually gets in.
Bush is on the hate list of nearly all Arab countries.
I have personal thoughts about the man, but will not relay them here, "the AURLO protest team" wpould have a field day :eek:

What I'm hoping to see is an "slight" acceptance from the Muslim Countries, for Obama. He did have a Muslim Father and his middle name is Hussain.

IF!! he is accepted, changes will happen, the Arabs may be on his side, co-operation will improve, oil may suddenly be able to increase in flow and all will improve.

Mind you, I'm not counting on it, it"s just a "Hunch"!

[Cap]

So you recon he will pull US troops out then :angel:

[RonMcGr]

So you recon he will pull US troops out then :angel:

Yes, I'm sure he will.
The Arabs have lived with violence for decades, I doubt they know anything else.
Iraq will go back to what it was, just a new dictator :)

[RonMcGr]

There is going to be massive blinks when this is questioned!

Rudd's $500k Bali blowout

Renee Viellaris

May 22, 2008 02:03am
Article from: The Courier-Mail

* Rudd climate summit trip cost $200,000
* Odd list of lavish expenses
* Opposition says an insult to working families

FRESH from winning the federal election, Kevin Rudd and his celebratory team cost taxpayers almost $500,000 in business-class airfares, lavish hotels and bizarre expenses during the UN climate summit in Bali last year.

Millionaire Prime Minister Kevin Rudd was only in Bali for two nights in December but his tab included $39,051 in hospitality costs, $5255 in ground transport, $1081 in accommodation and $1125 for an accompanying doctor.

The Opposition said most working families would be disgusted by Mr Rudd's extravagance.

The signing of the Kyoto Protocol ahead of the summit was Mr Rudd's first major symbolic act but the full cost for the five ministers, 12 ministerial staff and 35 bureaucrats will not be known until Environment Minister Peter Garrett provides his total bill and the Defence Department reveals how much it cost to operate a jet for Mr Rudd.

The price tag to date of almost $500,000 was revealed in a question on notice by Liberal frontbencher Nick Minchin, whose staff said they were "shocked" by the cost.

"Why did the Prime Minister need five ministers, 12 ministerial staff and 35 bureaucrats to go to Bali?" a spokesman said yesterday.

"If Senator Wong did all the negotiating, why did the others go?

"Why was Mr Garrett there when he has has no responsibility for Kyoto? Why did the Treasurer have to go? Why did the Trade Minister go?

Ordinary Australian families who would have saved to go on a $1000 package holiday to Bali would be disgusted (and) especially when they see that Mr Rudd spent $39,000 just on hospitality."

But the biggest spender was the Climate Change Department - 18 climate change bureaucrats were sent to the conference for up to 17 days and ran up a bill of $73,325 in travel, $69,644 in accommodation and $61,934 in other expenses.

Trade Minister Simon Crean lodged an expense of $10.01 for laundry and taxpayers also paid $458.14 to hire a car for his wife, Carole. Mrs Crean also received $131.66 under the spouse hospitality program.

Two unnamed ministerial staff for Treasurer Wayne Swan were in Bali for four days and spent almost $10,000 in travel, $2640 in accommodation and almost $1000 in "other expenses".

A spokesman for Mr Rudd said the high accommodation costs were affected by the late organisation of Australia's delegation because of the timing of the 2007 federal poll and demand for accommodation.

"Consistent with long-standing practice the Prime Minister hosted a reception for Australian participants at the conference in Bali including members of the Australian Government delegation, representatives of non-government organisations and the media," he said.

Officials travelling overseas were entitled to business class travel.

"We are advised that it was necessary for the Australian Consulate-General in Bali to hire a car to facilitate Mrs Crean's program."
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In the mean time, the poor pensioners who built this country, fought in wars to protect it and worked dam hard to make it what it is now, are left out in the cold :mad:

[BBC]

and.........do you really think JWH was any cheaper to support?

At least KRudd lives in the Lodge. Just ask yourself what it cost the Australian Taxpayer over time to house the Lying Rodent in Kirribilli.

[RonMcGr]

Lying Rodent in Kirribilli.

H'm, another one.............

[Scallops]

H'm, another one.............

That's right McGrrrrr - there are people with different views to your own obstinate opinion. You appear to have all the foresight of Mr. Magoo, but alas, without any of the good intentions. :bangin:

BBC is expressing his opinion - your churlish comment above adds nothing to anything.

[RonMcGr]

That's right McGrrrrr - there are people with different views to your own obstinate opinion. You appear to have all the foresight of Mr. Magoo, but alas, without any of the good intentions. :bangin:

BBC is expressing his opinion - your churlish comment above adds nothing to anything.

The statement "At least KRudd lives in the Lodge. Just ask yourself what it cost the Australian Taxpayer over time to house the Lying Rodent in Kirribilli."

Is definitely not from a person who sits on a "political" fence.
With rude remarks about the now opposition, there is no doubt!

[abaddonxi]

H'm, another one.............

What's that, Ron? Someone who is as rude in reference to politicians as you are?

Cheers
Simon

[lokka]

and.........do you really think JWH was any cheaper to support?

At least KRudd lives in the Lodge. Just ask yourself what it cost the Australian Taxpayer over time to house the Lying Rodent in Kirribilli.


Good point

Tho no matter who has the helm we as the taxpayer/consumer will have to support them no matter how lavish a lifstyle they lead ...

Tho im sure id rather support Rudd and co then the 3 stoges Howard,costelo,abbot and co

[tony]

Mad as hatters you all are

It matters not who is in power they are all out to screw you...unless you are one of the ruling elite that is...

Power and money look after power and money....

its just a case of who will screw you the least...

just take a look at the civil liberties we have lost sense Sept 11th and people still believe we live in a democrocy:Rolling::Rolling::Rolling::Rolling:and we

the sheeple take it all on the chin because they say its better for

us...what a load of bull

I can't wait for petrol rationing, food rationing, power brown outs /black

outs and its all coming Queensland is already talking about petrol

rationing
Drivers face fuel ration shock | The Courier-Mail (http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,23710412-95 2,00.html)

Roll on the revolution

Tony

[Cap]

bwahahaha -great point Tony, I feel the same way. They are all cut from the same cloth.

[lokka]

Good work tony and when it dose happen all the rich will be tha first to cry poor :BigCry::BigCry:

[tony]

Good work tony and when it dose happen all the rich will be tha first to cry poor :BigCry::BigCry:


Nope they'll come to the likes of you and me asking us to feed there

family's cuz they have no idea


T

[dobbo]

Nope they'll come to the likes of you and me asking us to feed there

family's cuz they have no idea


T

I know yours and Lokka's weekness for a nice drop o brew, I'm sure in this future post world madness if a Brown County and horse float loaded to the rafters with grog rolled up your driveways wéd get a green flag to come in, probably a shottie in the back and a march outdoors after the last bottle is emptied.


I might have to build a Still.

[Redback]

I know yours and Lokka's weekness for a nice drop o brew, I'm sure in this future post world madness if a Brown County and horse float loaded to the rafters with grog rolled up your driveways wéd get a green flag to come in, probably a shottie in the back and a march outdoors after the last bottle is emptied.


I might have to build a Still.

I got one of them:p:p

Put down a Malloys Irish stout last week:beer::thumbsup:

Going to clear it and keg it this weekend:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Baz.

[tony]

I got one of them:p:p

Put down a Malloys Irish stout last week:beer::thumbsup:

Going to clear it and keg it this weekend:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Baz.


Your welcome in the new order.....

T

[dobbo]

Was it his No:1 fan looking for souveniers?

John Howard's house burgled as he watches cricket in Windies | The Daily Telegraph (http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23745079-5001021,00.html)

[moretonisle]

First time I have read one of these to the end.
I can't believe that so much wisdom and stupidity could result from an idiotic spray by a hate filled person who thinks he can read your personality from your fascial expressions!

I remember Peter Reith telling us there was no conspiracy to sack all the Wharfies, and John Howard telling us there are weapons of mass destruction all over Iraq, and that the refugees threw their kids overboard, and that he would never introduce a GST, oh and how building workers were so corrupt they needed a special police force and laws worse than anti terrorism laws to keep them under control!

oh dear now I'm starting to run off at the mouth, must be time to polish the wheel nuts or something.....

[tony]

First time I have read one of these to the end.
I can't believe that so much wisdom and stupidity could result from an idiotic spray by a hate filled person who thinks he can read your personality from your fascial expressions!

I remember Peter Reith telling us there was no conspiracy to sack all the Wharfies, and John Howard telling us there are weapons of mass destruction all over Iraq, and that the refugees threw their kids overboard, and that he would never introduce a GST, oh and how building workers were so corrupt they needed a special police force and laws worse than anti terrorism laws to keep them under control!

oh dear now I'm starting to run off at the mouth, must be time to polish the wheel nuts or something.....


I say old chap thats a bit rough....how do you know he's full of hate and besides body language is a recognised form and a good indcator of your personality and if your lying most major companys use it now in the interview process

Tony

[edddo]

indeed a point is proven


opinions are like a'holes

Geez I look forward to working on the disco tomorrow!

and then getting to the gulf in july...


aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh