Fitted Provent 300Tdi Disco

[mcrover]

Well I fitted the Provent today, was pretty easy other than finding a big enough spot to put it as it is a bit long when you add the hose on the bottom but I eventually found a spot next to the windscreen washer bottle.

I made up a bracket to go from the aircon pump to the OEM cyclone thingy but because of the injector lines the provent stood too high to close the bonnet.....:mad:

So........failing cutting a hole in the bonnet, I moved it ouver the other side as there was nowhere on the drivers side that was deep enough for it to stand straight up.

So I bent up some flat ally sheet, drilled some holes, cut the hoses and threw it all together.

I just used a 13mm poly tee (from a watering system), some 1/2" hose (left over from another job), some 3/4" ID hose (I think it is, I didnt measure it but it was also left over from another job), 10 or so hose clamps and about 3hr to work out my first idea wasnt going to work and an hour to then fit it :(

I used the check valve for safety reasons as Dave explained in his thread.

Well here is the finished product, still a bit rough but I will neaten it up when time permits.

[B92 8NW]

Nice

What did you do regarding the oil drain hose? Any pics of that part?

[LandyAndy]

Hi McRover
Good job.
Is that hose heat rated???,looks like fire hose.I would be looking into heat rated hose in that area!!!!
What did you do with the drain?
I was looking at a catch-can and discard,but Ben didnt seem too keen so will go the drain to turbo return line like he did on Iggys TD5.
Got to get mine yet,but when it comes it will mean major service stuff on BlackBetty,atleast the trailer project is out of the shed!!!
Andrew

[mcrover]

I have run this hose next to an exaust before with no problems and I think the intake tube will burn before that does.

The drain hose goes to the drain off the OEM cyclone because when cooling the crank case will be under slight negative presure (as long as it is sealed properly) so it should empty the Provent on cool down rather than just by gravity so it runs behind the engine to the tee under the OEM cyclone.

I was thinking that the Turbo drain would be under presure so I didnt want to break into that as I dont think the check valve supplied would take a lot of presure.

[isuzurover]

Great work, thanks for posting this up!

There shouldn't be any pressure in the turbo drain. On a TD5 it is by far the easiest method.

[dirtdawg]

what does it actually do (ive never heard of it before) and can it apply to the v8's aswell

[rovercare]

So you can't be assed putting a new timing belt on, which will likely extend your motors chances of living a long time by ten fold, but happy to thumb around fitting something reduce a bit of oil film inside the intake:confused:

[isuzurover]

what does it actually do (ive never heard of it before) and can it apply to the v8's aswell

It is a MUCH more efficient breather filter (lets say 90-99% oil mass collected rather than 50% (at best) for most standard setups. On a turbo diesel, this means that you don't get your intercooler filling with sooty oil, and more importantly, it means your turbo should last longer. Many diesel turbos die because sooty oil mist collects, then the oil is evaporated/burnt, leaving a deposit of soot/ash.

It can be fitted to any vehicle (and future emissions legislation will require it (or similar)), but TD engines benefit the most.

EDIT - another benefit is that you lose/burn less oil - maybe LS1s should have one standard??? ;) And your oil viscosity should not increase as much as it currently does between services (more of the lighter fractions will stay in your oil for longer).

Matt - leave him alone - he is the first Tdi owner to do the install. THANKS McROVER!

[rovercare]

Matt - leave him alone - he is the first Tdi owner to do the install. THANKS McROVER!

But you wont get any results if his timing belt lets go:p

[isuzurover]

But you wont get any results if his timing belt lets go:p

Yeah yeah, OK mr smartar$e... :p

Could all Tdi owners please note on the data sheet if they install the Provent with or without the standard cyclone

[mcrover]

But you wont get any results if his timing belt lets go:p

I thought the timing belt was due at 300,000 but I checked my invoices and Jamie did it at 245,645kms so it still has some life in it. but will be doing it in the weeks to come.

It is more that I have been busy with other stuff and I didnt think that it would have taken as long as it did due to me trying to fit it somewhere that it wouldnt.

I promis I will get to the timing belt shortly (actually next wednsday all going well) and I'll even take photo's for you Matt.

[Phantum]

Gents
Has anyone fitted to a 300tdi defender? Photo's or idea's please.

Regards

Phantum:)

[Disco_owner]

G'day Mccrover;

I'd like to commend you on an excellent Job in installing the Provent, however I also like where you have mounted your bottle jack and would like it if you could kindly post up some photos perhaps in another thread.

[mcrover]

G'day Mccrover;

I'd like to commend you on an excellent Job in installing the Provent, however I also like where you have mounted your bottle jack and would like it if you could kindly post up some photos perhaps in another thread.

Yeah No probs, I will take some photo's tomorrow and post them up in here.

It was there when I bought the Disco and was put there when the dual batts were fitted but the old bottle Jack has died, so I have a truck Jack in the back at the moment until I get around to seeing if I can fix the LR one (Yes Matt another little job I have to get to).

[dirtdawg]

Matt - leave him alone - he is the first Tdi owner to do the install. THANKS McROVER!


its was an honest question as I HAD NOT HEARD OF THESE BEFORE so get back down off your soap box

:soapbox::rocket:

[rovercare]

its was an honest question as I HAD NOT HEARD OF THESE BEFORE so get back down off your soap box

:soapbox::rocket:

Ben was referring his tizzy to me;)

[isuzurover]

its was an honest question as I HAD NOT HEARD OF THESE BEFORE so get back down off your soap box

:soapbox::rocket:

What Matt/rovercare said. Is your name Matt as well? Apologies if you thought it was directed at you.

[dirtdawg]

lol damn, too many matts round here i reckon

[loanrangie]

We'll just call RC doormatt :D.

[rovercare]

We'll just call RC doormatt :D.

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Finished that ute yet?:Rolling:

[Iain_B]

Here' my version of the Provent Install. To fit into the tappet cover, I used a 19mm copper elbow and straight joiner, silver soldered onto a steel plate and using a thick o-ring as a seal. I used 19mm to 25mm adapters and some 25mm hose to plumb in the OEM pipework into it, and just cut the OEM drain hose, trimmed it down about 40mm , put in the one way valve and connected it to the new drain vent. The big inlet pipe looks a bit pinched on the photos, but its open.

The hose adapters are ABS irrigation stuff, so I'll buy some brass ones later on and fit up the bend a bit more. The Provent is also just sitting on top of the lift pump - held down by cable ties but I'll make a proper bracket when I replace the adapters. It is close to the bonnet lining, but it's lower than the OEM vent.

By the way Ben, my form does not have when you would like the filter element back. Do you want to PM or email me how long I should keep this element in for?


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[damienb]

Here' my version of the Provent Install. To fit into the tappet cover, I used a 19mm copper elbow and joint, silver soldered onto a steel plate and using a thick o-ring as a seal. I used 19mm to 25mm adapters and some 25mm hose to plumb in the OEM pipework into it, and just cut the OEM drain hose, trimmed it down about 40mm , put in the one way valve and connected it to the new drain vent. The big inlet pipe looks a bit pinched on the photos, but its open.

The hose adapters are ABS irrigation stuff, so I'll buy some brass ones later on and fit up the bend a bit more. The Provent is also just sitting on top of the lift pump - held down by cable ties but I'll make a proper bracket when I replace the adapters. It is close to the bonnet lining, but it's lower than the OEM vent.

By the way Ben, my form does not have when you would like the filter element back. Do you want to PM or email me how long I should keep this element in for?
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Iain,

I really like this install, original looks, and straight forward. Only issue will be making up a bracket to hold the filter housing (I think this is needed). Maybe an L bracket.

On the form you got from Ben, there should have been a kms limit after which you return. Mine was 10,000 kms.

Cheers,

Damien

[LandyAndy]

Nice work:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:
Andrew

[Iain_B]

Iain,

I really like this install, original looks, and straight forward. Only issue will be making up a bracket to hold the filter housing (I think this is needed). Maybe an L bracket.

On the form you got from Ben, there should have been a kms limit after which you return. Mine was 10,000 kms.

Cheers,

Damien


I will definitely make up a bracket before I go off-roading again - and I'll find some paint to paint the copper tubing with :-). I don't use the OEM lift pump - got and electric one for priming the system and it's much easier. I'll make up something that blanks it off and hold up the Provent - especially since it has a slight oil leak.

I re-checked the form, mine has nothing written "Remove and return element" line.

[LandyAndy]

Im sure Ben will confirm,but as far as I understand you get asked for the filter element when he wants it.
Andrew

[isuzurover]

I re-checked the form, mine has nothing written "Remove and return element" line.

Great Install Iain. Thanks for posting this up. I must have forgotton to write the KM on your form, sorry. Will check my files tomorrow at work and PM you.

[mcrover]

Thats pretty much what I originally had in mind but I had trouble with the drain hose fouling on the injector lines so I scrapped that Idea and went the other way as the bracket I made up made it too high to shut the bonnet.

I would deffinatly be the best place to put it as all the connections are nice and close.

I was thinking if it worked well that I would tap out the hole in the rocker cover/head and fit a threaded 90* 1" brass barb and just use a 3/4" x 1" joiner to the main vent hose and just run a whole new 1/2" hose to the sump with the check valve fitted.

Nice neat and simple.

I have to look at it again and see if I can redesign but I'd better do the timing belt first or Matt will get snappy again :angel:

[isuzurover]

Great Install Iain. Thanks for posting this up. I must have forgotton to write the KM on your form, sorry. Will check my files tomorrow at work and PM you.

PM sent.

[B92 8NW]

I have to look at it again and see if I can redesign but I'd better do the timing belt first or Matt will get snappy again :angel:

Well, either Matt will get snappy or the belt will get snappy:cool:!

[rick130]

Unfortunately it won't fit there on a Defender, (that's where the air cleaner sits) but I'm working on replacing the OE cyclone too. (after I finish replacing the valves stem seals, better get the install tool finished, and I still have a few quotes to do too :angel:)

(And yes, the Provent will have to be removed to do an air cleaner service, although I could just re-fit the K&N :p )

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[mcrover]

Well, either Matt will get snappy or the belt will get snappy:cool:!

Ummmmmmmmm.......Done it, check out my other thread

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/general-chat/57914-timing-belt-grrrrrr.html

If they are fitted properly they last a lot longer than 60,000kms.

If they are fitted incorrectly youd be lucky to get a few kms on the other hand.:o

[98-110]

DEFENDER 300tdi


Unfortunately it won't fit there on a Defender, (that's where the air cleaner sits) but I'm working on replacing the OE cyclone too. ..... (And yes, the Provent will have to be removed to do an air cleaner service, although I could just re-fit the K&N :p )

Rick, after removing the lifting bracket at the back of the motor, the M+H Provent will squeeze into the space between the air cleaner, air hose to turbo and the engine. I'm thinking of 2 brackets; 1 where the original lifting bracket was and 1 secured to the air cleaner support bolt(s).

The M+H info says it can be attached to the engine, so I'm assuming heat wouldn't be a problem. It would block air flow through what is now a gap, but would that be a problem?

Any other Defender 300tdi solutions out there???

[isuzurover]

DEFENDER 300tdi



Rick, after removing the lifting bracket at the back of the motor, the M+H Provent will squeeze into the space between the air cleaner, air hose to turbo and the engine. I'm thinking of 2 brackets; 1 where the original lifting bracket was and 1 secured to the air cleaner support bolt(s).

The M+H info says it can be attached to the engine, so I'm assuming heat wouldn't be a problem. It would block air flow through what is now a gap, but would that be a problem?

Any other Defender 300tdi solutions out there???

Great work!!! Slightly reduced airflow shouldn't be a problem - it is a water cooled engine after all!!!