101 disk brakes

[DODGE]

G DAY ALL. WAS WONDERING IF ANY OF 101 OWNERS OUT THERE HAVE PRICED THE DISK BRAKE CONVERSION FROM ZEUS ENGINEERING ?:)

[abaddonxi]

For the curious.;):p

Zeus here-
Zeus Engineering (http://www.zeus.uk.com/land-rover.php)


Cheers
Simon

[101RRS]

101 specific Zeus 101 Disc Brake Kit (http://www.yican.com.au/6Stud/6stud.html)

This is for the front. The rears should be similar to a rear County Sals Drum to Disc conversion that has been listed on the forum a few times if you could get a six stud rotor.

The main reason you cannot use a modified Disco/RR/Defender front is the 101 swivel hubs are larger than other landies and the mounts for the calipers will not clear the hubs. The other issue is the 6 stud pattern and getting a rotor but there should be no real reason why a conversion to 5 stud should not be possible.

Garry

[DODGE]

JUST HAVING THE FRONT DONE WOULD BE A PLUS. INTERESTING TO KNOW HOW MUCH THE KIT WOULD BE. GARRYCOL DID YOU GET YOUR REAR BRAKES SORTED ? :)

[Lotz-A-Landies]

101 specific Zeus 101 Disc Brake Kit (http://www.yican.com.au/6Stud/6stud.html)

This is for the front. The rears should be similar to a rear County Sals Drum to Disc conversion that has been listed on the forum a few times if you could get a six stud rotor. ...

...Garry
Garry

Couldn't you use the Zeuss front 101 rotor and a Zeuss rear caliper and mount from a series land rover on the rear of the 101? Or are the flanges on the end of the axle housing different?

Diana

[101RRS]

Yep - new brake drums and oversize shoes did the trick - I now have a good pedal but like all landies adjusting them so the car does not pull from one side to another is an art. I am not going to worry about it for the moment and let the shoes bed in on my test drives around the block - then just for roadworthy time hopefully they will be bedded and I will only have to have one go at adjusting them.

I am also going to have a look at putting discs on the front but that will be a project for the another day.

Garry

[101RRS]

Garry

Couldn't you use the Zeuss front 101 rotor and a Zeuss rear caliper and mount from a series land rover on the rear of the 101? Or are the flanges on the end of the axle housing different?

Diana

Diana - I have never priced Zeus stuff as I have heard that their pricing is just over the top. Dodge - let us all know the costs when you find out.

I haven't done much investigation but I don't think the rears are an issue. Much the same as converting a drum county to discs using RR or Disco bits - with either a 5 stud rotor modified or one machined up.

If the front swivel housing was the same size as other landies then again disco or RR stuff would fit. I have not checked myself but I am told the 101 is larger because of its larger CVs. I guess if they did fit Zeus would not have gone to the effort of completely machining up new parts. Note to self - check size of 101 swivel hubs against the size of my series 1 swivel hubs.

Garry

[Lotz-A-Landies]

... Note to self - check size of 101 swivel hubs against the size of my series 1 swivel hubs.

Garry
Garry

Don't waste your time, I had a look under Ron's 101 and the 101 swivel balls are significantly larger than the series ones. Almost as much difference that there is between a tennis ball and a golf ball.

I found it interesting that in the Zeuss products they don't supply ventilated discs.

[bed_bug]

A friend and I have been looking at the engineering of this and we think there is another option. But to make it for just six maybe vehicles would it be worth doing?

So, we wondered ...

A big IF, there were a kit that was affordable and was retrofitted in the same way as the Zeus, how many people may be interested?

Steve

[Homestar]

I could be, yes. I've driven 2 101's with the Zeus conversion, and they both work fine and you get all the benefits of disk brakes, but I don't think they provide any better outright braking performance that the drums. Would your friends kit improve the braking performance? Personally I wouldn't spend the money unless they did. It is a lot of money to spend just so you don't have to adjust your brakes every 6 months IMO.

What sort of cost are we talking?

[101RRS]

The drum brakes in absolute terms are quite good and I have found them very resistant to fade. The main issue for me is not in their adjustment, though it can be problematic is when braking the darting all over the road even when the brakes are adjusted quite well.

The old truck can dart in one direction and then in another. The disk brakes make that problem less of an issue. I think an inline booster just on the disk brake circuit would make the Zeus disk brakes work even better.

One thing that is indisputable is that Zeus are a pain in the arse to deal with.

Garry

[Sitec]

A friend and I have been looking at the engineering of this and we think there is another option. But to make it for just six maybe vehicles would it be worth doing?

So, we wondered ...

A big IF, there were a kit that was affordable and was retrofitted in the same way as the Zeus, how many people may be interested?

Steve

I'd be interested, but only A. If they have more stopping power than Zeus, (which would require two callipers if retaining the original 16" rim....), and B. Only because I just don't have the time to make my own....

How much $$$ sorry.. £££ would we b talking per set? Cheers for now. :)

[bed_bug]

Thanks for the feedback.

I agree with all the plus and minus things you all see and there's no change to that. Without serious time and investmentI I can't see us making any major brake performance gains over the drums or Zeus Disk kit. Where we think we can improve, is with a competitively priced product because at the moment , there simply isn't one. We haven't evaluated how much this would cost yet. I wanted to find out if it had any value? Our pricing would be based on a responsible uplift of costs rather than the maximum we think we could get away with.
Steve

[Mick_Marsh]

One concern that may need to be considered, It may need to be engineered for use in Australia.
It depends, of course, on how these things are produced.

[Sitec]

Thanks for the feedback.

I agree with all the plus and minus things you all see and there's no change to that. Without serious time and investmentI I can't see us making any major brake performance gains over the drums or Zeus Disk kit. Where we think we can improve, is with a competitively priced product because at the moment , there simply isn't one. We haven't evaluated how much this would cost yet. I wanted to find out if it had any value? Our pricing would be based on a responsible uplift of costs rather than the maximum we think we could get away with.
Steve

I've been looking at ways of putting 'big stoppers' on the front of mine, as the brakes are fine but only from 80kph and below... With the Cummins up its arse, stopping the 101 quickly from 110kph at the moment is not an option.... :D, and this is why I am contemplating stepping up to 19.5" rims like the last OKA's, and then being able to sit some decent vented disks in there along with big callipers.. But... Several have said that it wouldn't be a good move and that the tyres with the same outer dia as my current 255/100 R16's but with an inner of 19.5" wouldn't have the same flex and would make for a harsh ride... Being a truck tyre tho, they'd have to wear better than the XZL's are!! Still chewing on this. Thinking Im going to have two made up and they can end up on the trailer if they don't work on the 101.. (Sorry!!! Wandering off topic here!!):p

[roobar_and_custard]

Having seen the picture of the 101 with its rear wheels in the air under heavy braking, I wonder why there is an expectation of extra stopping power.

Locking the front wheels is just past the point where maximum braking is achieved, which from recollection is quite possible with 101 drums. So no matter how many callipers you fit, this maximum is unchanged.

Where you benefit with discs is:-
1) greater capacity for heat dissipation meaning greater ability to maintain brake performance under heavy use (high speed, prolonged use, long down hills, etc...)
2) no adjustment required meaning less time spent with wheels off the ground, spanner in hand, cursing.
3) reduced sensitivity to coefficient of friction variation which means more even braking and less weaving
4) similar to above, but they don't suffer from being wet too.

Now while the Zeus brakes require some adjustment to get them to fit behind 16" rims, there are plenty of calliper/disc set-ups that will fit and will be matched to the GVM needed to have some chance of engineering approval.

It's worth doing for the above reasons, but don't expect massive increases in outright stopping power. The real gain is being able to step hard on the pedal confident that you will stop in a straight line.

Just my two pennies worth.
Ian.

[101 Ron]

Having seen the picture of the 101 with its rear wheels in the air under heavy braking, I wonder why there is an expectation of extra stopping power.

Locking the front wheels is just past the point where maximum braking is achieved, which from recollection is quite possible with 101 drums. So no matter how many callipers you fit, this maximum is unchanged.

Where you benefit with discs is:-
1) greater capacity for heat dissipation meaning greater ability to maintain brake performance under heavy use (high speed, prolonged use, long down hills, etc...)
2) no adjustment required meaning less time spent with wheels off the ground, spanner in hand, cursing.
3) reduced sensitivity to coefficient of friction variation which means more even braking and less weaving
4) similar to above, but they don't suffer from being wet too.

Now while the Zeus brakes require some adjustment to get them to fit behind 16" rims, there are plenty of calliper/disc set-ups that will fit and will be matched to the GVM needed to have some chance of engineering approval.

It's worth doing for the above reasons, but don't expect massive increases in outright stopping power. The real gain is being able to step hard on the pedal confident that you will stop in a straight line.

Just my two pennies worth.
Ian.

Agreed
Ron

[bed_bug]

Whilst the picture wasn't in any way a fake the reality is I don't know anyone who has reproduced that result. To reproduce that condition you would need minimum slack in front system. How could you ever achieve twin leading shoe self servo effect to that amount of gain today on a day to day basis? Even the pair of new drums I have on the shelf aren't true enough. Or maybe it's something else causing the out of circle action. I'm not saying that a set of disks using the same fluid capacity will produce better results than the drums . but I don't see the picture as being a workable reference 30 years + down the line. Steve

[101 Ron]

After living with the Zeus disc brakes on the front for a while now I would not go back to drums.
At the time of the high Australian dollar the cost I though was cheap.........in fact cheaper than than a disc rotor replacement on a expensive 4 wheel drive for a whole kit.
Until you sit down a really look at what is involved in fitting disc brakes to the front of a 101 you will see normal landrover disc componets will not swap over like what can be done on a series Landrover.
The C/V housing is just too big and the insides of the standard wheel too small.
Zeus has been very clever in the way they fitted in all the parts and how they retained similer brake pedal force required to stop by using a 4 pot caliper.
In fact the conversion can only be done the way Zeus has done it and even then it only just fits and works correctly.
Buy the Zeus kit............no saving in doing it yourself or better braking.
The secret of the Zeus kit is the large machined bracket which holds the caliper and the large specially shaped disc with 4 pot small caliper.

[Sitec]

Whilst the picture wasn't in any way a fake the reality is I don't know anyone who has reproduced that result. To reproduce that condition you would need minimum slack in front system. How could you ever achieve twin leading shoe self servo effect to that amount of gain today on a day to day basis? Even the pair of new drums I have on the shelf aren't true enough. Or maybe it's something else causing the out of circle action. I'm not saying that a set of disks using the same fluid capacity will produce better results than the drums . but I don't see the picture as being a workable reference 30 years + down the line. Steve

Challenge set!!! :D:wasntme:

[101RRS]

Just remember that the army vehicle (one of the protypes) in that pic (now owned by Iain Reed on AULRO) was on bar treads so not a lot of friction with the road.

With modern tyres with substantially improved grip the tyres can "drive" through the brakes making disks more relevant.

I certainly noticed the difference when I went from 9.00x16 conventional tyres where they were easy to lock up to 315/75R16s where they brake well but tend not to lock up as they have better grip on the road.

I last adjusted my brakes 6 weeks ago before going on a 2500km trip up through north central NSW and into Queensland. Took a few goes to get them adjusted but still pulled a little, left and right on the trip.

Yet driving around town now some 3000km later the brakes are not pulling up dead straight but there is a little brake pedal travel so it looks like they have balanced themselves out with a little further wear.

I have the disks to go on but my front axle needs also to have the king pins done, diff pinion seal, probably wheel bearings and seals and a locker added so I want to do the lot at once rather than doing the brakes first and the lot later.

Cheers

Garry

[bed_bug]

In the interests of the wider community; Could Iain be convinced to reproduce the moment in the still picture but this time record the whole thing on YouTube?

My front axles pretty shot too. I've started another thread on a Railko conversion I'm keen to pursue.

[101RRS]

So do you think the pics are a fake or something :confused:

[puma130tc]

Has anyone ever investigated the front axle from an OKA, early ones came with Dana 60, disc braked and 16" wheels, not sure about the track width though.
Some are replacing with larger Dana series due to the OKA's weight.

[bed_bug]

So do you think the pics are a fake or something :confused:


No, I it can see where you're coming from, I'd just say it if I thought That.

What I did think was a movie of it would just be so much more entertaining.

[101 Ron]

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[101 Ron]

Has anyone ever investigated the front axle from an OKA, early ones came with Dana 60, disc braked and 16" wheels, not sure about the track width though.
Some are replacing with larger Dana series due to the OKA's weight.

I did look at this.
A friend has a OKA with a Dana 60 in the front and a Dana Seventy in the rear.
The track is different.
The OKA wheels are larger and it uses a open type unijoint arrangement which is more compact that the 101s C/V joint and therefore has room to fit a disc brake and caliper.
The 101 must run a C/V type joint because of its constant 4WD designed transmission.
Use of the OKA front axle with standard 101 transmission will viberate the steering wheel out of your hands especially when on lock.
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Also the hub and wheel for set up is totally different between the two vehicles.
and therefore 8 stud wheels on the front and 6 stud wheels on the rear of a 101 if converted ?????.
Not worth the effort.
The Zeus conversion works.
It should be noted the 101s 6 stud wheel flange is very large as is the 6 stud PCD which therefore requires the inside of a 101s disc to be very large to fit over the hub.
The OKA gets the extra room by using 8 studs of a very small PCD and therefore the internal size of the disc can be much smaller.

[101 Ron]

Note the large internal diameter of the Zeus disc so it fits the 6 stud large PCD of the 101s hub.
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[101 Ron]

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Any conversion using standard 101s wheels ( which is the ideal way to do it) must be done the way Zeus has done it.
Look carefully at the disc, it is machined down between the running surface of the disc and the PCD plate just so its specially made small size caliper will fit in with a standard 101 wheel which must be 4 pot design to give similar pedal feel and a floating caliper just wouldn't have room to move and require a different brake booster to be fitted to give similar brake pedal feel.
Fitting a Disc set up to the front of a 101 is nothing like doing a disc conversion on a series rover or early defender.
Zeus got it right and is worth the money as other options are more stuffing around .
With all parts in hand a Zeus set up can be fitted in a day.
The working surface diameter of the disc of the OKA and the Zeus set up is similar.
The 101s large 6 stud PCD hub comes about by the Military need for a gun tractor which the 101 was designed as, to have possible interchangeable wheels with a gun or trailers it is designed to tow and why a Unimog wheel will fit onto a 101 as they are both military vehicles designed to tow.
The Zeus set up has little in the way of faults.
Pads are extremely easy to change and as I found the oil filler access to the C/V joint can be moved to the front of the C/V.
The disc on my 101 shows no wear and is a two piece set up so if it does wear it is not a big job for a machine shop to make a new one as the wear part of the disc is just that a flat disc.
This design greatly reduces any chance of Disc warping with heat too.
Have I sold you blokes yet ??????
I have looked at various options before jumping in at the Zeus.
Ron......... humble 101 nut.

[Sitec]

Mmmmmm.. 19.5" rims and truck tyres!!! :D Still going to try a couple.. You're right Ron, you do get feedback with uni joints in the front when running full time four wheel drive, but surprisingly its not that bad. I've fitted full time transfer boxes to 2 series shorty's and am doing a third for the wife at the moment. The only time you feel it is on full lock in 1'st gear under acceleration.. something you shouldn't be doing anyhow. With the drums adjusted correctly, and good tyres, Im still not comfortable with the stopping power of a 101. I never was with the old one, but was too young to care! With this one, its even faster, I'm doing decent distance and plan to tow with it in the near future, so will have to do something. Still love the quality of you're pics! :)

[bed_bug]

I have looked at various options before jumping in at the Zeus.
Ron......... humble 101 nut.

Ron,

just what did you see as the other options ? Living with the idea I might have missed an option won't be easy.


Steve

[101 Ron]

1/ fitting some other landrover disc brake set up or using after market disc set up for a series /defender landrover.
2/OKA brake set up
3/ Ford F 100 brakes
4/ late model jeep and earlier jeep wagoner and early Jerokee with dana live axle.




Zeus wins on all of the above........on cost and less stuffing around and no trial by error work to make things fit and uses standard axle/hub and wheel.

The only other real option is to fit a live axle from a rangerover/defender as a whole unit and if you are going to do this you may as well add coils.
Engineering cert will be required and you will loose the 101s strong axles.
Wheels would have to be special offset to suit the above and would have to be added to the cost.

[isuzurover]

The pic everyone keeps referring to was new brakes with new asbestos linings and probably a single application on cold brakes.

Not the same as driving down a mountain pass towing a heavy trailer, or doing multiple successive water crossings.

Drums are horrible on any 4x4 that is used as intended in steep terrain, or for towing or water crossings.

[bed_bug]

The disc on my 101 shows no wear and is a two piece set up so if it does wear it is not a big job for a machine shop to make a new one as the wear part of the disc is just that a flat disc.


Other than having to finish the calliper engineering to get them to fit I can't see anything that would stop me buying a Zeus kit taking into account; whether I could afford it. At some point in the future , we will run out of Drums. Like we have manifolds.

I'd like to see if I could produce a competitively priced alternative. I think if the price was right people may move to disks. If only to save the hassle of shoe changing and adjusting.

Right now I'm wondering what material to make my disks out of? I remembered Ron's comment here about getting the disks made locally. I wondered if what they were made of was common knowledge there ? I have a choice of four steels which will all need treating but a clue as to which may be better in this instance may cut the development time.

Steve

[rick130]

The 101 must run a C/V type joint because of its constant 4WD designed transmission.
Use of the OKA front axle with standard 101 transmission will viberate the steering wheel out of your hands especially when on lock.


Not true, Jeep and the other US manufacturers have been running open knuckle uni instead of CV front ends with full time 4WD since the mid seventies without issue, so that's not a deal breaker, but if I had a 101 I'd look seriously at what you did too.

[Sitec]

I'd like to see if I could produce a competitively priced alternative. I think if the price was right people may move to disks. Right now I'm wondering what material to make my disks out of? I remembered Ron's comment here about getting the disks made locally. I wondered if what they were made of was common knowledge there ?

I'd be sourcing a disk that suits rather than making one... Time spent making them will hike the price of your 'kit'.. There's a 101 near to me which has disks all round and they're not Zeus.. I'll ask the question as to what the front disks and callipers used are off. It would be a lot easier to use 'off the shelf' parts IMO. :)

[chazza]

Right now I'm wondering what material to make my disks out of? I have a choice of four steels which will all need treating but a clue as to which may be better in this instance may cut the development time.

Steve
Usually discs are made from cast-iron, not steel. Check out Disc Brake Australia to read their specifications.

I agree with Simon that buying a suitable disc with warranty, is an easier and safer way to go, unless you have a foundry; testing equipment; an engineer and public liability insurance,

Cheers Charlie

[101RRS]

Usually discs are made from cast-iron, not steel.

Cheers Charlie

Hi Charlie,

I think you will find they are cast steel (not sure of grade) rather than cast iron.

[Ancient Mariner]

Made some discs back in the seventys to suit series 2 Turned up a wooden pattern and had them cast in SG cant spell sperodical graphite:) You can flog that stuff with a 14 pounder and not break it Worked well

[bed_bug]

The SG was what was used by Zeus for their calliper castings. After visiting a few machine shops today with their stuff as an example; I get the feeling their disks were probably SG too.

I'm not keen on me running the casting process on any of the parts. The cash injection into tooling, to get a return, the castings rejection rate, the quality control, its not got a lot going for it really.

I found this article on the Web. Martensitic Steel is being used in Disks. It would be easy to trial that.

However if there's a disk and calliper out there that's

a) an effective and appropriate engineering solution

b) is going to be available for a few years

c) is cost effective

Then it could be a contender.

Simon, if you can find out what that other 101 is running then I'll pursue it here.

I've put it all to one side for a week.

The only downside to adopting existing parts could be the supply cut off date. But its not as if we haven't been there before.


Steve

[Sitec]

Simon, if you can find out what that other 101 is running then I'll pursue it here.

I'll ask the question and let you know. :)

[Homestar]

Anyone know how to get hold of Zeus? Have emailed the several times over the last few weeks to get a lead time and price (including delivery) of a disk brake conversion for the 101.

They don't appear to check their emails and I'll be ****ed if I'm ringing them...

I wasn't going to go down this path, but it seems if I am ever going to get a co driver, then I need brakes that stop predictably. I've always thought brakes were a bit over rated, but SWMBO is adamant that she won't drive it like it is...

Maybe it was that time a car pulled out of a side road in front of us and I almost speared us into a ditch when I jumped on the brakes hard....

Women have no sense of humour sometimes...

[Sitec]

Seein this thread jogged my memory that Im suppose to be finding out what disks were used.. Will b seeing the vehicle and owner this weekend and will find out. Gav, I often hear that Zeus are hopeless, so guessin your best option would be to ring.. So, when it gets to 10pm with u, it'll b 11am in the land of poms! :D

[Homestar]

Seein this thread jogged my memory that Im suppose to be finding out what disks were used.. Will b seeing the vehicle and owner this weekend and will find out. Gav, I often hear that Zeus are hopeless, so guessin your best option would be to ring.. So, when it gets to 10pm with u, it'll b 11am in the land of poms! :D

Way past my bedtime...:D

I'm not the sort of person that is very patient with Vendors that can't be bothered helping with a sale, so I'll see what comes of it... If they want my dollars, they can get back to me - I'm not chasing them... Although I would like to buy a set, I don't need a set.

[101RRS]

Be careful - say anything bad about Zeus and you will get an Infraction:(

[Homestar]

Talking from experience Garry?

Not sure what went on, but we are far from a name and shame situation. We are only bagging their service - I've seen and driven 2 different vehicles with the product I want in them, and it would be fair to say I like the brake system or I wouldn't be splashing out my hard earned.

That's if they ever get back to me...

[p38arover]

Is Yican in Melbourne still handling their products in Oz?

[Homestar]

No idea - didn't know anyone did. I've just tried to google them, but with no luck. Do you have a contact number by any chance?

Edit - found them, I'll give them a call now.

[Homestar]

They seem to have a working website, but when you call them, the number is not connected.

I've sent them an email, but not holding my breath if their phone is no longer working.

[101RRS]

The only effective way to contact Zeus is to ring them. When you do contact them and ask why they don't respond to emails they will say they have issues or doing a restructure or something.

Yican doesn't seem to be involved with them any longer and does not respond to contacts.

If I say any more I am likely to be infracted.

[p38arover]

They seem to have a working website, but when you call them, the number is not connected.

I've sent them an email, but not holding my breath if their phone is no longer working.

I think the number on the website is wrong. It's shown as 9775 2279 but the White Pages shows P Simpson at 9775 2297.

If that's him, tell him his website has the wrong number.

I've corresponded with Phillip in the past but about the ADR kit.

YiCaN introduces Axle Direct Recovery. Website:www.yican.com.au (http://www.yican.com.au/ADR/ADRMain.htm)

Technical Review of ADR (http://www.yican.com.au/ADR/TechADR.html)

[Homestar]

Thanks Ron, before I had a chance to try that number, Zeus replied to my 4th email - they said they had been busy and just catching up on emails yesterday. They also apologised and gave me all the info I was after. They are completing another batch of 101 brakes in late Jan, and I will be putting a ?100 deposit on a set early next week. So, I should have some shiny disk brakes hanging off the front of the 101 in Melrose.:). That should mean I also have a co driver.

[Mick_Marsh]

Thanks Ron, before I had a chance to try that number, Zeus replied to my 4th email - they said they had been busy and just catching up on emails yesterday. They also apologised and gave me all the info I was after. They are completing another batch of 101 brakes in late Jan, and I will be putting a ?100 deposit on a set early next week. So, I should have some shiny disk brakes hanging off the front of the 101 in Melrose.:). That should mean I also have a co driver.
Mmmm.....
How much are they?

[Homestar]

800 quid plus 159 quid delivery. With current exchange rates, that's not pretty when you add it up...:(

[p38arover]

Jeez, the delivery is high!

[101RRS]

800 quid plus 159 quid delivery.

The shipping price seems a bit light on - make sure that delivery price is for the whole kit and not part of it. You may not get all of the kit at the same time.

[stuee]

The shipping price seems a bit light on - make sure that delivery price is for the whole kit and not part of it. You may not get all of the kit at the same time.

This happened to me. They held off shipping the last lot thinking I hadn't paid the second delivery instalment when I had paid everything in one go. I must've called Zeus at least 7-8 times chasing them up after everything had supposedly been shipped.

Good product in the end, and now my 101 has had some kilometres on it with all the trips to engineers and pits they have bedded in nicely and working very well.

If any WA owners are thinking of getting a set let me know and I will get another set of pads and discs thrown in to keep spares for the future.

[grey_ghost]

Hi Gav,

I would be interested in buying a spare set of brake pads.... It might help with freight costs to split it up amongst a few members...?

Cheers,
The Grey Ghost

[Homestar]

Jeez, the delivery is high!

I thought that was about right for the weight.

[101RRS]

Hi Gav,

I would be interested in buying a spare set of brake pads

Why not just buy at a local brakes shop - all the numbers are on the box - Ron worked out what they fit - do a search - could be a volvo.

Garry

[101 Ron]

Pads fit the rear of a Jag and some other sports cars.
Advailable in Australia in most places.

[Sitec]

So, here's what I remember.. Disco 3 rear disks, 110 front Callipers, a lot of man hours and something like this.... but I can't tell you any more than that, and I can't remember where I took this photo.. :D

[101 Ron]

Note the oil filler plug on the front of the CV housing.
Disc looks to be held by spacer bolted to the wheel stud plate casting.
Disc OD looks smaller than Zeus so the defender 110 caliper fits
Note positioning of the caliper is the same as Zeus as is the disc.
There is only one way to do the conversion because of the lack of room.
What I do like is having the spacer for the disc bolted to the hub the way it is makes the whole thing much lighter than Zeus..
The Zeus fitting to the back of the wheel studs saves a machining operation and much work but is heavier.

[puma130tc]

The disc is indeed, Disco 3 tdv6 rear, the handbrake usually operates inside and hence gives a bit more room than other discs. The defender 110/130 caliper with a slimmer spacer fits over.
Both components need fiddling with to fit.
The hub was machined to give six positions between the studs on which to mount the adaptor.
The caliper mount pics up on the original brake bake plate bolt positions.
The caliper will only fit at the rear, believe me, we spent months getting to this point.
Please bear in mind, this has not yet been through engineering, nor road tested, as my 101 is in the midst of a somewhat long winded re-build/ conversion.
I have managed to fit, standard 101, 8" banded std and John Craddocks 8" rims over this set up.
But take note of the spacer plate, which replicates the thickness of the brake drum.

The rear setup is similar, uses 110 late rear discs, calipers and factory Salisbury caliper mount.
The mounting to the hub is the same idea as the front, though not identical.

Finally.... I have to thank simon, sitec.
He's been at me for a while to post something of by build on here, I do watch everyone else's projects etc and love doing so.
I can't believe you guys achieve so much and still find time to post your progress on here.

I also have to thank a very great friend who is responsible for the engineering/machining work, we have spent many hours and days beating our heads together over it. So far...
Without him, I'm not sure id have got anywhere near this point.

Whilst I'm happy to share some of our efforts, neither of us have any intentions of replicating this conversion or parts of.
I am however fairly happy to try and help Anyone who fancies having a go them selves.
Time is my main enemy as I'm sure is most peoples, so bear with me.

Cheers Peter

Ps, I've not posted much before, so apologise in advance if not correctly posted etc.

[Sitec]

Sorry Pete! Couldn't resist the temptation to put a pic in any longer!! Its something Im going to have to do sooner rather than later as my brakes are bad!! How's it coming along? :)

[puma130tc]

That's all good!
I'm still picking my way through it, little things all take time,so just keep trying to put a little bit of time in each day.
Still along way from a road test though..

[Homestar]

That's all good!
I'm still picking my way through it, little things all take time,so just keep trying to put a little bit of time in each day.
Still along way from a road test though..

Would love to see more pics if it! Why not start your own rebuild thread here? :). I'm sure I'm not the only one thinking that.:)

[puma130tc]

Ok Ok!!
I will attempt to start my own thread for my rebuild.
Have a bit of catching up to get through to get to where i'm at, but hay.

I'll try and post a few more pics of the brakes as well on this thread.

HELP!
It's late and i've had a long day, but i can't see how to put pictures on here

Cheers
Peter

[Sitec]

It's late and i've had a long day, but i can't see how to put pictures on here!?

Not sure if its the same on a computer, but on an Ipad, I click on the paper clip just to the right of the smily face in the overhead columb. That will bring up an option to attach a picture either via web address or from your computer. Sellect your computer and choose the pic u want to show. Click 'upload' and once its loaded, it'll give u an option to close the upload window. Then submit reply as norm, and if its worked, your pic will be as a thumb nail in your post.. Anyone have a better yay to explain it.. Please do!! :)

[Homestar]

Re posting pictures - check out these threads... There is several ways to do it, some you may find easier than others.:)

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/general-chat/74833-posting-pictures-forum-explained.html

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/rules-guidelines/25511-how-post-photos-forum.html

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/general-chat/182751-posting-images.html

[puma130tc]

Some more Pics Of My Brake Conversion.
Front Caliper-Hopefully

[puma130tc]

Well That Seemed to work, so I'll here's some more.
Bit of a mix of front and rear.

[puma130tc]

And More....Probably enough for now.

I'm going to try and start a new thread of the build so far, though there was a bit of fun before the strip down.

[Sitec]

I can see the amount of time that's gone into the components. Like the idea of having a 'boss' that fits the original hub rather than modifying it, and with disks all around, it should stop infinitely better than the drums! :D

[101RRS]

Thanks for those pics - in due course would it possible to put up larger pics that allow the detail to be seen.

Thanks

Garry

[puma130tc]

Garry,
I'm not sure, why they are so small, I use my I pad. For just about everything these days, but those pics were on my lap top.
When I went to post them they appeared as is, I struggled to see them in the preview thing prior to posting.
When viewed on my. I pad I seem to be able to view them ok.
I didn't adjust anything, regarding resolution etc.

Any ideas, happy to have a go.
Cheers Peter

[puma130tc]

Garry,
Apologies, just looked on my I pad, see what you mean!
Small pics..
I don't know why though, I'll try and resolve and re post them.

Peter

[101RRS]

Hi Peter, yep happens form time to time - not sure about Ipad thingies.

There is no rush so take your time.

Cheers

Garry

[puma130tc]

Possibly some clearer pics..
Rear disc mounted to hub/ adaptor

[puma130tc]

More..
Rear hub adaptor fitted to hub

[puma130tc]

Can't seem to put more than one pic at a time from my I pad, not sure how to re size them, assume that's the reason...

Front calliper mount, uses original back plate mounting points, with slightly longer bolts.

[Mick_Marsh]

Can't seem to put more than one pic at a time from my I pad, not sure how to re size them, assume that's the reason...
What you're doing is fine.
When we click on them a larger format of the pics are displayed.

[puma130tc]

Note slight scooping of housing, so factory caliper bolts can be used and caliper can be removed without dismantling, should the hub/ disc assembly can be removed.

[puma130tc]

Rear disc assembly fitted up, showing the factory calliper mount which bolts to the stub axle/original back plate points as per early defender disc brake rears.

[puma130tc]

Front calliper mounted up, it's all very very close!

[puma130tc]

Nothing can show how little clearance there is over the outer edge of the calliper, but these give a little indication.

[puma130tc]

Another view of the front calliper clearance, or lack there of...

I'm trying to find a pic of the front adaptor/hub bolt up, it differs slightly from the rear.

[101RRS]

Those new pics are nice and clear - and big - thanks. Clearly a lot of thought and energy has gone into your work. :)

Garry

[stuee]

Fantastic job. Very well thought out.

[puma130tc]

Thanks guys, I'm happy with the set up, can't wait to see how it functions...
That's going to be a while though.

[Sitec]

Thanks guys, I'm happy with the set up, can't wait to see how it functions...
That's going to be a while though.

Nah!! Loosely sit the cab on, rad and fuel and whoosh!!!! :D

[puma130tc]

More tempting than you'd imagine!

[Sitec]

Mine did it's first 5 kms as a diesel in cab chassis form!! Great watching props whizzing around whilst trying to stop the seatbelt introducing itself to the fan, whilst also watching the batteries you've strapped to the chassis start to come loose.... Trouble was my foot was planted and I'd found 100kmh alarmingly quickly!! Dooooo it!!!

[DasLandRoverMan]

Looks a very viable conversion.

Certainly one I'd be interested in doing myself if you had any drawings of the custom bits to go on?

[Sitec]

Looks a very viable conversion.

Certainly one I'd be interested in doing myself if you had any drawings of the custom bits to go on?

U should come out here for a look.... ;)

[DasLandRoverMan]

It's in the plan to do a bit of a tour, I need to visit Piper/Thumper 7 in its new home, and some other friends.

Whistle stop tour of the Aussie 101 owners, or perhaps time it to coincide with a big show?
Hmmm

[101 Ron]

Most of the 101s appear to be based in Victoria with the rest scatted about.
About March every year is Australias biggest exmiltiary meet at Corowa on Murray river NSW/VIC border.
The 101 from the judge dredd movie from your avatar is located at south Nowra 160kms South of Sydney.
101s must be getting thin on the ground in the UK as they seem to wind up here.

[Sitec]

Double whammy then.. Fly into Vic in March, and do Corowa, and a few others, then road trip it over to SA with one of the 101's bound for Melrose at Easter! Then fly out of Adelaide!!! ;)

[Homestar]

There's an idea - I'll be at both. :)

[DasLandRoverMan]

Are there any pictures of the conversion parts laid out individually, rather than all assembled?
I'm trying to work out everything thats needed for the front end setup.