Binge drinking

[LandyAndy]

Crudz at it again.
Now he is saying if you have 4 middies of beer or 3 glasses of wine a day you are a binge drinker.
DONT LIKE THAT BLOKE:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
Andrew

[one_iota]

Roll on Prohibition :eek:

[LandyAndy]

Im a BINGER
just filled my 4th PINT for the day,forgive me oh Crudd I have sinned.
AND YOU GET NO TAX ON MY HOMEBREW:p:p:p:p:p:p:p
Andrew

[duncanw]

homebrew is exempt, its liquid bread

[georgesadlik]

Im a BINGER
just filled my 4th PINT for the day,forgive me oh Crudd I have sinned.
AND YOU GET NO TAX ON MY HOMEBREW:p:p:p:p:p:p:p
Andrew

here here :twobeers:

george.

[duncanw]

or you can have

a pint
packet of crisp (chips to the locals)
a pint

a crisp buttie :D

[beforethevision]

Screw Rudd, I will have my scotches and more than 4 std's it will be. If thats a risk to my health what does it matter if climate change and stupidity of the masses has destroyed the world within my lifetime.

Get a life. Work on something important.

[dirtdawg]

6th drink for the night now, i must be a binge drinker

[dullbird]

6th drink for the night now, i must be a binge drinker


or is that dinge brinker..........:beer: ............HICCUP!!!!!




mmmmmmmmmm chip butty:p

[dirtdawg]

:twobeers::twobeers: **** crudz advisors teenagers who cant handle there drink make me pay more for mine ****es me off :2up::2up::firedevil:

[101RRS]

Went to buy my usual bundy and coke cans - gone up from $3.90 each to over $5.00 each - now have switched to 4 litres of Golden Oak Red for $8.00 - goes great in the fridge.:o Oh - for medicinal purposes only.

[dullbird]

well i dont drink at all or smoke............but that offset by the amount ian drinks:D

[JohnE]

Interesting , pay the right people the right amount of money and they will produce a study to knock just about anything.

Now unless I am mistaken, legal versus illegal,
alcoholic drinks are legal,
cigarettes are legal, both are taxed very highly
now with all the health warnings, and what pat just said about no oyxgen for the gaspers, wouldnt common sense say, ban the cigarettes, ban the alcoholic drinks as our health system can't support the by product diseases and ailments.
Why not , studies have shown all the above is bad for you, so why do they still allow those items to be sold?

john

[dullbird]

Interesting , pay the right people the right amount of money and they will produce a study to knock just about anything.

Now unless I am mistaken, legal versus illegal,
alcoholic drinks are legal,
cigarettes are legal,
both are taxed very highly
now with all the health warnings, and what pat just said about no oyxgen for the gaspers, wouldnt common sense say, ban the cigarettes, ban the alcoholic drinks as our health system can't support the by product diseases and ailments.
Why not , studies have shown all the above is bad for you, so why do they still allow those items to be sold?

john

you answered your own question...........because they cant afford not to

[JohnE]

thanks
I knew that
just looking for general concensus


john

[dullbird]

thanks
I knew that
just looking for general concensus


john

oh well i pointed it out for the dumb dumbs like my self....:(:D

[Disco Steve]

I only drink one a night.....




























......1 case;)

[sam_d]

I'm not a binge drinker but I do very much like a refreshing drink. And then another. And then another. And then another...

[Piddler]

4 drinks per night i says dont drink for 6 days then have 28
cheers

[RonMcGr]

Crudz at it again.
Now he is saying if you have 4 middies of beer or 3 glasses of wine a day you are a binge drinker.
DONT LIKE THAT BLOKE:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
Andrew

Yes, his antics get more hilarious by the minute.
I like the latest, lecture Asian countries on their fuel cost!
Indonesians are paying 65 cents per litre.... "Lecture them??"
I think it should be the other way around ..

:Rolling::Rolling::Rolling::Rolling::Rolling:

[stevo68]

Binge Drinking Definition :
For a typical adult, this pattern corresponds to consuming 5 or more drinks (male), or 4 or more drinks (female), in about 2 hours.
They note, however, that "in common usage, binge drinking is now usually used to refer to heavy drinking over an evening or similar time span - sometimes also referred to as heavy episodic drinking. Binge drinking is often associated with drinking with the intention of becoming intoxicated and, sometimes, with drinking in large groups."[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binge_drinking#cite_note-BMA-0) It is sometimes associated with physical or social harm.
. For starters, how about they get the terminology correct. Also what is the epidemic? How many of us when we were younger and experimenting, did actually binge drink.....I know I did.....always felt worse for it :angel:. I remember swigging mouthfuls of Bacardi and a mouthful of coke in my mouth as we had no cups before seeing a concert at what was then the Horden Pavilion. My cousin and I were slammed before we even got to the entrance. In my early 20's working in the nightclub scene, every night was party night for 3 years. Could I drink like that now.........hell no.

I truly wonder at some of the bright sparks they have making government policy. A tax on alcopops for the "younger" set will only direct them to alternatives. If someone is out to get "blind" they ain't that choosy. Therefore more mature adults, like SWMBO who if she does have a drink, gets slugged extra $$. Also from what I can gather and I maybe wrong, the alcopops are more a "ladies" drink than a man's. I'd question any bloke with a Watermelon Cruiser in his mits :p.

Schoolies 20+ yrs ago hasn't changed that much since I went between the ages of 17-20 in terms of drinking, albeit I will say there wasnt as much fisticuffs etc, I would say we were a little better behaved but that is another whole thread :),

Regards

Stevo

[Tote]

IMHO a lot of the violence associated with "binge driinking" has been caused by the derestriction of liqour licences and trading hours. Prior to the introduction of 24 hour licences in the nineties the only places to have a drink after midnight was an expensive nightclub or at home. People planned to finish their socialising at the pub before midnight and were less drunk when they went home.
Many country towns in NSW have started a 1am lockout where if you leave a venue you can't get back in and this seems to be having a positive effect on the amount of violence.
But I guess restricting trading hours would get the Govt offside with the liquour industry and cut their take of the pokies rather than raise money like the alcopos tax.
Regards,
Tote

[Bigbjorn]

IMHO a lot of the violence associated with "binge driinking" has been caused by the derestriction of liqour licences and trading hours. Prior to the introduction of 24 hour licences in the nineties the only places to have a drink after midnight was an expensive nightclub or at home. People planned to finish their socialising at the pub before midnight and were less drunk when they went home.
Many country towns in NSW have started a 1am lockout where if you leave a venue you can't get back in and this seems to be having a positive effect on the amount of violence.
But I guess restricting trading hours would get the Govt offside with the liquour industry and cut their take of the pokies rather than raise money like the alcopos tax.
Regards,
Tote

Agree with the above. We have clubs and pubs in Qld. with 3.00am and 5.00am licences. I head off to swap meets in the wee hours of Sunday morning and never fail to be amazed by the number of totally paralytic sloppy drunks staggering around our inner city streets at those hours. Particularly the numbers of young women in their skimpy dance club gear and absolutely blind stumbling staggering drunk or affected by other chemicals. Lots of fights and assaults in and near these venues fuelled by excess booze. Usually arguments and fights at the taxi queues every early morning. People who work in these places tell me that the clientele is almost totally under thirty and they drink spirits and strong mixed drinks rather than beer. Also that the clientele go to pubs till 10.00 or midnight and have half a skinful when they arrive at the night clubs and dance clubs. I am not a wowser but I say close the joints at 1.00am. If you can't get enough grog into you by 1.00am then you have not been trying.

[LSBob]

In the NT at different times, Alcohol Free Thursdays (pension day only) was introduced into some centres and the amount of patients for both the hospital and police dropped considerably. but some groups have then complained that it is racist as it mainly affects one group of people only. To combat binge drinking here (a lot lot more than 4 middies) restrictions on cask wine was introduced so the drinkers moved to beer in bottles and as a result there was a lot of broken glass lying around so long necks were to be banned in some areas. Also Green ginger wine was to be treated as fortified wine because that then became popular.
Then the Commonwealth decided that if you bought more than $99 worth of alcohol your name and address had to be entered into the big book for the police to check up on later. Didn't discriminate as whether it was one bottle of good wine or one person buying many cartons. But if you and 10 of your mates each bought $90 worth of booze separately that didn't have to be recorded. Somehow it was to stop the alcohol abuse in the communities. After the first week or so the police stopped checking the big book.
Latest rule is now certain areas where people may congregate are to be alcohol free, mainly around the fore shore but not Mindil beach. Trouble is there are not enough police to carry the rule out.
So whatever laws are passed it does not get to the root of the problem, people just adapt to the rules.
The only one they have not tried is to bring back the old 6 o'clock closing, I can remember that from Victoria from a long time ago.

[cartm58]

its a failed social policy, look at the anti drink movement biggest success was WW1 where they got the pubs drinking hours restricted to support the war effort, liberal drinking laws took 60 years to recover and some areas in Melbourne still dry suburbs.

prohibition in USA failed

Educating people on dangers and educating them to be responsible being going last 30 years some people don't want to learn the lessons whether it be smoking alcohol or drugs.

Drink Driving well thats a issue from the 1970's what has worked is better car safety for occupants in reducing road toll and higher level of police detection and arrests, but still the drink drivers and unlicensed drivers persist.

So hitting the hip pocket only sure way to get people to stop or reduce intakes or frequency of nights in week they get ****ed as can't afford to drink smoke and pay rent to landlord.

In perfect world you could have policy options that took into account variable like age, maturity and purpose but we don't so we are stuck with broad based policy.

As for Govt scientific advisers a wowser politician will appoint a wowser scientist to provide the evidence to support their wowser views, as did Howard with his drug policy committee.

[Tote]

It would be interesting to see a study on alcohol consumption over the last 40 years or so and see whether it has increased or not. I'm betting this whole binge drinking thing is a political distraction anyway.
As an aside when my parents were married in the early sixties they agreed that dad could have no more than seven schooners a night with the boys after work......
Regards,
Tote

[LandyAndy]

Until Krudd deemed most of the Aussie male population as alcaholics and binge drinkers the safe drink limit was recommended at 4 standard drinks for men 2 for women.Now those safe limits are BINGE levels.He puts up the tax on "alcopops",by 70% to try and control the kiddie BINGERS.Great move,ask any grog shop how many they are selling now compared to full bottles of spirits:D:D:D:D:D The kiddies now know how to get really smashed.Watch out spirit drinkers you are next.
Off to refill my pint:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:
Andrew

[CraigE]

What? you don't like the truth?
None of us do
But the truth it is....any more than a couple of drinks per day for a bloke is bad for you...affects your health

Consider while you are not liking what you hear that you should not complain about the country's poor health system when preventable diseases like those caused by smoking & drinking ( all the thinks people like to do) are chewing up the health dollar. :angel:
Yeah, but they are not talking about drinking 4 plus a day. It is any occurence where you drink more than 4 standard drinks in a session.
3 full strength middies, 4 middies mid strength beer, 2 1/2 cans of pre mix, 3 glasses of wine (not full glasses either). Alcoholism is completely different to binge drinking.
I do not drink for a week at all when I am at work, but on my week off may have more than that in one session, not all the time, some nights none, some one, some two and some more than 4.

[CraigE]

Crudz at it again.
Now he is saying if you have 4 middies of beer or 3 glasses of wine a day you are a binge drinker.
DONT LIKE THAT BLOKE:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
Andrew
I am in trouble then.
Mel is buggered.
And well Andy you are completely stuffed.:o

[LandyAndy]

STUFFED AND PICKLED:D:D:D:D:D:D
Andrew

[abaddonxi]

The alcopops tax sounds like a particularly unfair tax.





Really, they shouldn't be punished if they can't stomach Bailey's and milk.

:D:D:D

Cheers
Simon

[DiscoTDI]

now they are releasing more potent wineopops without the tax:D.

Who makes up these names:confused:

[Grimace]

i have been a bad boy.... I went on a binge last night while out for dinner... then I drove 20klms home :angel:

[Rob Bruce]

Thanks to Kruddy and team a hell of a lot of us have been reclasified
as BINGE DRINKERS :eek:

What a load of manure, who are they kidding, and it most likely includes most of them too :p

Rob

[RonMcGr]

Thanks to Kruddy and team a hell of a lot of us have been reclasified
as BINGE DRINKERS :eek:

What a load of manure, who are they kidding, and it most likely includes most of them too :p

Rob

True!

Rudd's strip club visit - National - smh.com.au (http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/rudd-admits-strip-club-visit/2007/08/19/1187462058476.html)

"Kevin Rudd has admitted visiting a New York strip club during a drunken night while representing Australia at the United Nations.

Mr Rudd issued a statement yesterday to News Limited papers, confirming he went to the club but could not recall the events of the evening because he "had too much to drink"."

[RonMcGr]

Just proves he is human....like the rest of us :D

Pat,

Sorry but I won't go that far .... :eek:

[CraigE]

The alcopops tax sounds like a particularly unfair tax.





Really, they shouldn't be punished if they can't stomach Bailey's and milk.

:D:D:D

Cheers
Simon

They have not even hit their target. The young will still drink, they will just chsnge their habbits and types. I think the government missed their target completely. The issue they were raising was one of 16-17 yolds drinking. Forgive me but is this not illegal anyway?
Penalise everyone for a few. Just another money grabbing exercise.
How is a Beam and Dry and Alcopop? Has been around for donkeys.
I like pre mix for the convenience but have gone back to mixing my own and probablly stronger than a pre mix. Next will be a still like a friend has got I be reckoning.

[one_iota]

Not much to add to my first post on the first page:

Bundy Bear targeted in binge drinking campaign - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/06/18/2279007.htm)

Best keep the bear inside for fear of political language double speak correctness frightening the children.

[jik22]

Crudz at it again.
Now he is saying if you have 4 middies of beer or 3 glasses of wine a day you are a binge drinker.
DONT LIKE THAT BLOKE:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
Andrew

By definition, if you're having it daily, you're not binge drinking. You might be an alcoholic, but not a binge drinker. ;)

[olmate]

just filled my 4th PINT for the day,forgive me oh Crudd I have sinned.
AND YOU GET NO TAX ON MY HOMEBREW:p:p:p:p:p:p:p
Andrew

Thats the way to do it.:)

[one_iota]

Yes I know this has been done to death but we need a practical guide to "binge drinking"

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How do you know when you have been "binge drinking"?:

These days it's when you have opened a bottle of wine to drink by yourself and you wake up the next morning without a hangover and there is half a bottle left.

[Bigbjorn]

Yes I know this has been done to death but we need a practical guide to "binge drinking"

so
















How do you know when you have been "binge drinking"?:

These days it's when you have opened a bottle of wine to drink by yourself and you wake up the next morning without a hangover and there is half a bottle left.

I am old enough to remember and have participated in the days of having 12-15 schooners and driving home and no-one turned a hair. This was accepted normal practice. I grew up in Western Qld. and saw shearers, ringers, drovers "cutting out a cheque". Drinking rum and beer chasers until incoherent, vomiting, passing out, and doing it again until they ran out of money. My family had the Royal Mail and Tattersall's Hotels in Winton at different times. Going for a drive and pulling the cork out of a rum bottle and throwing it out the window is another Western Qld. habit as is measuring distances by stubbies or rum bottles.

Is this binge drinking? Many of the participants may not have another drink for months at a time.

Any bottle shop attendant can tell you of the sad souls who skulk around the streets near the bottleo waiting for it to open and buying the cheapest cask of wine. Sometimes twice a day. Is this binge drinking or is it loneliness?

I worked with many a person who was a functioning alcoholic who never missed a day from the effects of drink, did their job, skilfully, proudly and well, but drank staggering amounts by the standards of the do-gooders and the medical profession.

The arbitrary limit for driving under the influence is 0.05% blood alcohol. How many drivers have skill levels that are not affected to the point of incompetence at this level and higher, and how many are totally incompetent at this level or below?

Waiting to hear your opinions.

[abaddonxi]

Ah, drinking.

I'm a binge drinker, haven't had a drink in a month or two,:eek:
not a 12 step thing, just the way it happened.

Woke up the next morning with a hangover.

Three glasses of beer, and I'm not talking schooners.

Part of the reason for the long stretch between drinks.:(

Takes all the fun out if it if you get the hangover without getting the fun.

Cheers
Simon

[Disco_owner]

True!

Rudd's strip club visit - National - smh.com.au (http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/rudd-admits-strip-club-visit/2007/08/19/1187462058476.html)

"Kevin Rudd has admitted visiting a New York strip club during a drunken night while representing Australia at the United Nations.

Mr Rudd issued a statement yesterday to News Limited papers, confirming he went to the club but could not recall the events of the evening because he "had too much to drink"."

:Rolling:

KRUDD is a Binge Drinker Himself , hahah


Takes one to Know one i say...

[Fusion]

Binge drinking has been going on from day dot . The only difference now is the media are all over it and making a big story out of it . There has always been drunkin idiots staggering around the streets of a weekend and there has always been fights in the pub and out the front of the pub . Only now they have cameras all over the place and the media loves the footage they get ........Like most things television has brought it into every home ........ thats my 2 cents ..... god i need a beer :p:angel:.

[VladTepes]

Just to prove that politicians love a bad idea especially when it's someone else's bad idea...



ALCOPOPS, super-strength lager and cider will soar in price to stop underage boozing, Tories will pledge today.

Favourites like Bacardi Breezer, Smirnoff Ice and WKD will rocket at least 50p a bottle under the plan.
But Tories will vow to make low-strength booze CHEAPER by cutting its tax. Shadow Chancellor George Osborne will not hit responsible drinkers.
But he wants to tackle Britain’s ugly booze-binge culture in the wake of tragic dad Garry Newlove’s murder.
Mr Osborne – who writes in today’s Sun – said: “I propose to raise tax on booze preferred by young drinkers – who are very sensitive to price.”

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The Tory plan will almost certainly be copied by Chancellor Alistair Darling in next week’s Budget.
A bottle of Diamond White or White Lightning cider will go up by £1.25 while cans of super strong lager like Tennents Super and Carlsberg Special Brew will rise 32p.
But lower alcohol drinks like Carling C2 will fall 3p. Similar policies in Australia and Germany have successfully halved the number of youngsters drinking alcopops.


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as for

Similar policies in Australia and Germany have successfully halved the number of youngsters drinking alcopops.

Maybe true, but has not reduced he number abusing alcohol ! May even have increased it !

[Tombie]

<snip> but has not reduced he number abusing alcohol ! May even have increased it !

:eek::eek::eek:

How could anyone abuse alcohol..

I've always got on very well with my drinks:angel:

:wasntme:

[Lucus]

This is just one step closer to the day when our public health system will not look after you for lifestyle related deiseases (ie obesity,diabetes,heart disease etc etc etc)

[mns488]

What a funny thread to read today considering I am feeling the pain from a hangover after last night.

I didn't intend to get drunk but was at one of the Mens Clubs in town (not the strip club type) and everytime i looked at my glass of wine it was full:angel:.

Was in good company though, 3 people on my table were in the top 200 BRW rich list.

Fair to say the food and wine was very good!:D

Matt

[austastar]

Hi,
I don't mind a beer on a hot day, or a wine with a meal, even a port by the fire before hitting the hay.
However no way can I get through what some folks seem to be able to consume in an evening, just don't like the 'vagues' that come with too many drinks.
Guess we all have different tolerances to the alcohol.
cheers

[agrojnr]

Bloody hell Andy if he class's you as a binge drinker what the hell do they call me:o

I guess I don't binge drink proberly cause I never stop:eek:

Adam

[rockyroad]

Have long suspected that the "alcopops" tax was kevin07 needing to repay some favours that he owed to certain friends or unions.

[scarry]

now have switched to 4 litres of Golden Oak Red for $8.00 - goes great in the fridge.:o Oh - for medicinal purposes only.

I read in the local paper they are gonna increase tax on wine,if they get their way.They say some is gonna double in price:o:mad:

When will this crap stop.:confused:

I suppose the country is going broke,so they are out to grab whatever they can,but that's another storie......