help with a winch install

[HAK]

Hi folks I went and bought a winch yesterday one of those Aldi ones for $500previously had warn on the old Poooootrol and never used it, how ever seeing that most of my wheeling nowa days in done during the week I thought I better have one ;)

the prob is that the holes line up for the ARB bar and the winch but not the fair lead do I A. drill some holes in the fair lead braket or B. do I buy another fair lead ? Im imaging that perhaps drill new holes what do you guys think :(

thanks in advance for your help

[Redback]

Hi folks I went and bought a winch yesterday one of those Aldi ones for $500previously had warn on the old Poooootrol and never used it, how ever seeing that most of my wheeling nowa days in done during the week I thought I better have one ;)

the prob is that the holes line up for the ARB bar and the winch but not the fair lead do I A. drill some holes in the fair lead braket or B. do I buy another fair lead ? Im imaging that perhaps drill new holes what do you guys think :(

thanks in advance for your help

Buy a fairlead that fits the bar.

Baz.

[Treads]

Buy a fairlead that fits the bar.


x2 :)

[HAK]

cool thanks guys

[Mudnut]

Hello Chronic,

I had the same problem, and purchased the Aldi winch for the same reason. I did drill some new holes in the ARB bull bar, to suit the fairlead, and it has worked fine. As I recall, was easy to do, and don't think that it has affected the integrity of the bar.
My reasoning, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. The fairlead works fine, and has done so, for the last year.

Cheers,

Ken

[rovercare]

Yep, cheap crap winches don't fit, If I remember, the one I did a while ago, I drilled the fairlead:confused:

[HAK]

cheap crap as it maybe Ive had a warn once upon a time had it for 3 years needed it on average 3 times a year while wheeling on average every fortnight $500 apose to $2000 mmmmmm Aldi seems good :)

I drilled new hole in the fair lead and it seems that Im going to have to drill out the excisting holes on the bar to mount the winch bob then should be my uncle

by the way ARB wanted $220 for fair lead :mad: why are they so expensive

let me guess because they can be :mad:

[Slunnie]

Have you got the fairlead offset low compared to the winch drum so that when the cable feeds out from the bottom of the winch that it passes through the middle of the fairlead (ie the drum isn't positioned centrally to the winch cable slot in the bullbar).

[rovercare]

cheap crap as it maybe Ive had a warn once upon a time had it for 3 years needed it on average 3 times a year while wheeling on average every fortnight $500 apose to $2000 mmmmmm Aldi seems good :)

I drilled new hole in the fair lead and it seems that Im going to have to drill out the excisting holes on the bar to mount the winch bob then should be my uncle

by the way ARB wanted $220 for fair lead :mad: why are they so expensive

let me guess because they can be :mad:

They DO fail, its very frustrating:eek: funny to watch;)

[HAK]

Have you got the fairlead offset low compared to the winch drum so that when the cable feeds out from the bottom of the winch that it passes through the middle of the fairlead (ie the drum isn't positioned centrally to the winch cable slot in the bullbar).

Haven’t installed it yet but believe it will sit in the middle, I hope?

I drilled the bar so that the fair lead thing sits in the lowest position that the bar will allow it, then I gave up. God its heavy when your trying to install it on the ground I try agian today in my 3 hr lunch break :(

[dullbird]

They DO fail, its very frustrating:eek: funny to watch;)

thats a very bold statement, assuming you have only seen the 1 fail.....
any way try not to make the bloke feel bad for buying a cheap winch, its his choice.

and if he doesn't use it for the next 5 years he is quids in;)......and if it fails well he will probably curse and carry on and then never buy one again.

[Larry]

cheap crap as it maybe Ive had a warn once upon a time had it for 3 years needed it on average 3 times a year while wheeling on average every fortnight $500 apose to $2000 mmmmmm Aldi seems good :)

I drilled new hole in the fair lead and it seems that Im going to have to drill out the excisting holes on the bar to mount the winch bob then should be my uncle

by the way ARB wanted $220 for fair lead :mad: why are they so expensive

let me guess because they can be :mad:

The winch bar fitting instructions from ARB tell you to drill new holes in the fairlead 25mm lower.

[rovercare]

thats a very bold statement, assuming you have only seen the 1 fail.....
.

:D:D:D

[dullbird]

:D:D:D


:Dyes i fink it is comon nowledge that i cok up my speling:D...

still if it gives you a laugh pointing it out, good for you;)

[rovercare]

:Dyes i fink it is comon nowledge that i cok up my speling:D...

still if it gives you a laugh pointing it out, good for you;)

:eek:No, no, you were assuming what I'd seen, I was takeing the mickey, because of that



Plus it was spelt correctly;)

[HAK]

Ive now fitted it up but still need to wire it up

As for the cheap winch well after having a morgage and a 3 year old every penny counts I personly didnt see the point of spending $2000 on winch when I could spend $500 on a winch $1500 on something else (gear reduction shafts etc) as Dull bird said if it fails well Ill kick my self but by using pullies etc ill keep the strain off the motor where I can it also has made the steering a little stiffer with the wieght and ride s nicer with front a touch lower

[Iain_B]

I'm the same as you, bought the Aldi winch and hope I never have to use it. I'm not using my car for competitions, so the winch is only for self rescue. I've tested it a few times hauling up a steep driveway with the handbrake on, and pulling a log out of a neighbours backyard for him, and it has been fine. If I really need it I'd be a bit ****ed off if it didn't work, but no worse off than not having one. I guess it depends on what you want the winch for, sure spend $2K on a Warn, me, I bought better tyres instead :)

Anyway, my motto is alway to take the "chicken route" - I want to get to places in my Disco, not find try to find out what will break first. :)

[Slunnie]

I'm the same as you, bought the Aldi winch and hope I never have to use it. I'm not using my car for competitions, so the winch is only for self rescue. I've tested it a few times hauling up a steep driveway with the handbrake on, and pulling a log out of a neighbours backyard for him, and it has been fine. If I really need it I'd be a bit ****ed off if it didn't work, but no worse off than not having one. I guess it depends on what you want the winch for, sure spend $2K on a Warn, me, I bought better tyres instead :)

Anyway, my motto is alway to take the "chicken route" - I want to get to places in my Disco, not find try to find out what will break first. :)
It's usually an axle, a diff or a lower rear suspension link.:p

[dullbird]

:eek:No, no, you were assuming what I'd seen, I was takeing the mickey, because of that



Plus it was spelt correctly;)


ok well now you lost me:eek:

taking the mickey out of me assuming that you had only seen 1 fail
i think was fair.......as i was making an asumption (to suppose something without proof)

you made a bold statement saying that in your words THEY DO FAIL!

i think there is a difference there!

anyway have you seen more than 1 fail?...:)

[rovercare]

ok well now you lost me:eek:

taking the mickey out of me assuming that you had only seen 1 fail
i think was fair.......as i was making an asumption (to suppose something without proof)

you made a bold statement saying that in your words THEY DO FAIL!

i think there is a difference there!

anyway have you seen more than 1 fail?...:)

Yes, 2:p

I won't bore you with others I've "known" about;)

Solenoids, hex shafts, planetry sets:D

Nobody has to justify to me what they buy, I don't care, I didn't even come in here to argue they're crap, I merely pointed out when I fitted one years ago to a car

I wouldn't spend 2k on a rarely used winch either, but $800ish dollars for a second hand M8274 is what I'd do/did/tell people to do:eek:

[dullbird]

Yes, 2:p

I won't bore you with others I've "known" about;)

Solenoids, hex shafts, planetry sets:D

Nobody has to justify to me what they buy, I don't care,
I didn't even come in here to argue they're crap, I merely pointed out when I fitted one years ago to a car

I wouldn't spend 2k on a rarely used winch either, but $800ish dollars for a second hand M8274 is what I'd do/did/tell people to do:eek:

i know you didn't and to some degree i agree with you as i too wouldn't buy a cheap winch......

just felt sorry for the bloke as i would imagine theres nothing worse than coming on here for advice for fitting something that you have just newly brought to be told outright that they are crap! and they do fail!.....think it puts a bit of a dampner on your new purchase i would of thought. thats all:)

[Tank]

Dullbird I agree, comments like rovercare's are a total waste of space, the bloke bought a winch he could afford (as I did) and came on the forum looking for advice to help him fit his winch, I believe if you have nothing constructive to add, then move on.
A good tip to anyone buying an Aldi or Chinese Winch is to strip down the gearset and clean out the crap that the Chinese call grease, looks more like ear wax to me, and pack the gears and casing with some good quality Grease, waterproof preferred, good luck with your new winch, BTW if you spool off the wire cable it makes it a lot easier (lighter) to fit and remove, Regards Frank.

[rovercare]

Dullbird I agree, comments like rovercare's are a total waste of space, the bloke bought a winch he could afford (as I did) and came on the forum looking for advice to help him fit his winch, I believe if you have nothing constructive to add, then move on.
A good tip to anyone buying an Aldi or Chinese Winch is to strip down the gearset and clean out the crap that the Chinese call grease, looks more like ear wax to me, and pack the gears and casing with some good quality Grease, waterproof preferred, good luck with your new winch, BTW if you spool off the wire cable it makes it a lot easier (lighter) to fit and remove, Regards Frank.

As I said I wasn't here to bag the winch, I said cheap crap, what I did when I installed one, I was probed about it and said why, sorry for being honest, I must remember peoples emotions when being factual:angel:

[dullbird]

As I said I wasn't here to bag the winch, I said cheap crap, ...:D sorry had to laugh at that one

what I did when I installed one, I was probed about it and said why,
sorry for being honest, I must remember peoples emotions when being factual:angel:

no be honest mate the best way to be:)..........just be tactful is the answer i think:p.....

oh and if you come accross any 8274's for under 800 let us know i know someone that is after one:)

[stevo]

Slunnie you also forgot to mention the C.V's done two so far hopefully no more as have fitted the ashcroft ones

[dobbo]

Slunnie you also forgot to mention the C.V's done two so far hopefully no more as have fitted the ashcroft ones

and chassis'

[HAK]

Look no doubt there crap for $500 what would one expect I was told once that they where the same as the iron man I really don’t know

Either way I knew it was cheap crap as stated but the way I see it for those very few here on this web site if any that I have been out wheeling with will release that I know how to drive I think in the history of wheeling with my Disco I have been recovered twice both while stock

Seeing that I have to wheel on my own due work on week ends (for now) I just needed a little insurance just in case

Any way do I need a relay of some sort for the wiring And how will my single battery cope?

[Iain_B]

No need for relays, just wire it in direct as the control box has all the solenoids. I replaced all the heavy wires with longer, thicker battery leads and put the control box behind the air clearer to keep is dry and out of harms way. I keep mine disconnected, all I have to do is connect the positive lead to the battery - takes a few seconds and I have to open the bonnet to put the hand controller in anyway.

I run two batteries, and the instructions were to have around 660CCA minimum which with both starting and auxiliary in parallel, is easily achieved.

I was also told the batch I bought a year ago was made by the same place that makes Ironman, and they used to be serviced by them as well. I'm not sure who makes the latest batch though.

Iain

[HAK]

Can you run two batteries parallel? I always thought that it would make it 24v I’m not very electrical minded, but a mate was showing me his set up in his 4x4 where he linked 2 batteries together with some sort of a relay between both batteries. They charged at the same time but the relay would only allow sending x amount of power to the second battery, he then would switch it off altogether when fully charged or if he wasn’t using it. But that seemed dangerous due if that relay decided to pack it in not work properly it could over charge that battery

I think I’ll at some stage by the kit for Jaycar for dual batteries spending $900 on the Piranha again is pointless

[Iain_B]

First off, series gives you 24V, parallel stays 12V.

I've got a Traxide dual battery kit - with a large a switch to overide it and link the two batteries together. Much, much cheaper than the like of Piranha or similar - do a search on Traxide and you will find all sorts of links.


Iain
300TDI
Brisbane

[101 Ron]

I ha purchased a Aldi winch this weekend and fitted it in two hours.
It was all straight forward bolt in stuff to a ARB winch bar fitted to a TDI 300
Defender.
The latest batch of Aldi winches are different from the earlier ones and are not supplied by Ironman.
The price was $399 with one years warrantly.
The electrical cable supplied is heavy enough to do the job well and the lenght was perfect to reach the engine starter terminal.
It came with to wireless remotes and a old fashion cable and switch set up too.
I pulled the clutch lever off just to see what runs out........good quality grease and the lever is sealed with a O ring...........so I left it as is .
The fair head bolted perfectly to the bar as did the winch and nothing had to be rotated or changed.
I am very happy and it should do the the odd self recovery for many years.
The only problem I can see is you may need to keep an eye on how the cable lays its self on the the drum as any bird caging could cause the cable to hit the controller box or winch tie bars.
The above I think is a problem of many winch designs today or have I been spoilt by my 101 landies self laying PTO winch ?.
All in all money well spent.

[Blknight.aus]

now that youve all saved yourself a fortune in winch outlay some of the savings to proctect it a bit.

Go buy a snatch block and set it up on the cable, make a mount for it on the bull bar so its on there permantly.

get a winch extension rope or strap thats half the length of your existing winch cable and some shackles, a couple of pairs of gloves and a bag to carry it in.

IVe seen 1 aldi winch on fire, 1 broken after the event which was guessed at being stripped internal gears and 1 with a busted drum. From all accounts they were worked near or beyond the limits except for the busted drum which some idiot decided that he would use as a tow rope.

if your permanantly set up for 2:1 and have an extension cable to get back to the original reach your laughing so long as you dont try to then pull your new potential maximum pull. Apart from everything else its easier on you also gain some flexability in what you can set yourself up to do IF you absolutely have to.

Me I'll pay the same money and get another tirfor with all the trimmings. but Im sick like that....


as for where they are made its like sidcrome, king chrome and supertool. most of them all come from the same place but its the quality control that determins where they get sent to... assuming for a second that Sidchrome is best folowed by kingchrome then supertool a spanner that has a nick in the handle might not pass a sidchrome test but will pass the kingchrome test that same spanner might fail the kingchrome test becaust the jaws of the spanner are out of parallel by .5 degrees but that might be acceptable for supertool standards. Add a brand stamp and one cast can make 3 companies spanners. The Eliteist brands still make their own and in this example that would be someone like Snapon.

[101 Ron]

I have had many winches before of different types.
If you are serious a PTO winch is hard to beat.
For occasional use I have planed for it the Aldi should do.
The current Aldis are different from the earlier ones.
Time will tell.
I intend to give it the berrys in its first year whisle still under warrantly and keep the box it came in so if it fails I can return it.
On the road into the family property after any sort of wind it is a chain saw job to clear fallen trees and use the winch with direction change snatch blocks to clear the logs off the road.
For the money involved and the warrantly all good stuff for my intended uses.
Time will tell.

[DiscoDevil]

so a year on and hows the Aldi's been?

[Tank]

They DO fail, its very frustrating:eek: funny to watch;)
So do Warn, I hired a car trailer to p/up a SIII 109 and it had a brand new Warn 9000 high mount bolted to the front of the trailer, owner said it was the third winch on this trailer and he was ****ed off with Warn. Anyhow while winching this SIII onto the trailer (flat tar road) the famous Warn **** itself all over the place. Had to pull the SIII with the Disco. Hire mob removed all of their Warn winches, don't know what they replaced them with.
I have an Aldi style Chinese crap winch, which I pulled apart before use and filled with real grease, (not the waxy crap the Chinese put in) and I have used it a few times with no problems, $400 well spent, couldn't justify the over the top price of a Warn, Regards Frank.