Sad state of affairs...

[isuzurover]

There seem to be more and more disco owners who have no idea about "real" Land Rovers...

There have been a number of posts recently in the series forums, thinking that Series 1 / 2 / 3 refers to the different disco models...

On a Brisbane RR club trip a few years back, a disco owner referred to a mate's 1953 Series 1 as a "jeep".

I think it is a bit of a shame that as time goes on, there will be more and more owners of discos and rangies who don't know anything about the series/defender models. It is bad enough that you almost never see series landies on the road these days...

[p38arover]

I've noticed an increasing number of British TV shows calling Landies "Jeeps" - even on a recent Dr. Who!

[BBC]

Here is one:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/10/486.jpg

This one gets driven around every day when I am home.

[UncleHo]

G'day Folks :)

The 2a in my avatar gets driven regularly, not my daily driver now but still get used several times a month, it's just a little slow for the Caboolture-Brisbane, Bruce Highway dash these days ;) where 120kph is the norm :wasntme:


cheers

[Slunnie]

There seem to be more and more disco owners who have no idea about "real" Land Rovers...

There have been a number of posts recently in the series forums, thinking that Series 1 / 2 / 3 refers to the different disco models...

On a Brisbane RR club trip a few years back, a disco owner referred to a mate's 1953 Series 1 as a "jeep".

I think it is a bit of a shame that as time goes on, there will be more and more owners of discos and rangies who don't know anything about the series/defender models. It is bad enough that you almost never see series landies on the road these days...
I guess what a real landy is, is something that is in a state of evolution. Perhaps these days a real Landy is actually a Rangie, a Discovery or maybe even...... a..... um...... f..... frrr.... freeeeee.... never mind.

The die hards or old timers know all about Series Landies, but not everybody is interested in the heritage of LandRover from 27 years ago! Just think 27year old were not even alive when the last Series rolled out of Solihull or whereever, and when LR only sell a handful of what probably should be called "traditional" rather than "real" LandRovers, there are not exactly a lot on the roads either.

I agree though re the terminology, and tend to express things as either a Series1, 2 or 3 and likewise a D1, D2 or D3.

[UncleHo]

G'day BBC :)

Nice +35 6cylinder SWB that one:D would it be a chassis suffix "D" job :)

cheers

[isuzurover]

I guess what a real landy is, is something that is in a state of evolution. Perhaps these days a real Landy is actually a Rangie, a Discovery or maybe even...... a..... um...... f..... frrr.... freeeeee.... never mind.

The die hards or old timers know all about Series Landies, but not everybody is interested in the heritage of LandRover from 27 years ago! Just think 27year old were not even alive when the last Series rolled out of Solihull or whereever, and when LR only sell a handful of what probably should be called "traditional" rather than "real" LandRovers, there are not exactly a lot on the roads either.

I agree though re the terminology, and tend to express things as either a Series1, 2 or 3 and likewise a D1, D2 or D3.

The last series 3 LWB was made in 1983/4 and the last SWB in 1985 (well technically there were a couple built much later for a TV competition).

All valid points. All I was saying was that IMHO it is a shame.

[stuee]

I dont know if its necessarily a brand recognition thing with the "jeep" name. I have friends that refer to all 4wds as jeeps and the larger 4wd utes as trucks. Its just a generic term that I find a lot of people use. Jeep roles off the tounge a little easier than 4 by 4 or 4wd.

Also I was born in 1986 so after all the series land rovers. I would still love to have one (would love a 101FC even more!). I think the simplicity of them is the attraction to me.

[Disco_owner]

Hi Guys;

I have a series 3 Disco LWB and would like your opinions on which performance CHIP i should put in it for more performance and power ???:p:D:D:D





..... Sorry Ben couldn't help myself......

[Killer]

I am doing my bit in keeping the Series vehicles on the road, I drive it to work daily (30 km. each way) and a fair bit on the weekends too.

Cheers, Mick.

[101RRS]

I think we are all being just a little bit precious:o When I was a kid in the 50s and early 60s growing up in Wollongong, all 4wds were called Jeeps. My 80 yo mum calls all of the landies I have owned Jeeps.

It used to be like calling all vacuum cleaners - hoovers - calling any 4wd, irrespective of the brand - a jeep was once more common than you think.

Garry

[Utemad]

The die hards or old timers know all about Series Landies, but not everybody is interested in the heritage of LandRover from 27 years ago!

27 years ago you could buy a Classic Rangie which is essentially what a Disco1 is.

So what's the problem :p

[rangieman]

There seem to be more and more disco owners who have no idea about "real" Land Rovers...

There have been a number of posts recently in the series forums, thinking that Series 1 / 2 / 3 refers to the different disco models...

On a Brisbane RR club trip a few years back, a disco owner referred to a mate's 1953 Series 1 as a "jeep".

I think it is a bit of a shame that as time goes on, there will be more and more owners of discos and rangies who don't know anything about the series/defender models. It is bad enough that you almost never see series landies on the road these days...
:BigCry::BigCry:I guess some of us are a just dinosaurs:eek:

[Slunnie]

It used to be like calling all vacuum cleaners - hoovers - calling any 4wd, irrespective of the brand - a jeep was once more common than you think.

Garry

Whats a Hoover? At least Jeep is a brand.







kidding. :D

[vnx205]

I think we are all being just a little bit precious:o When I was a kid in the 50s and early 60s growing up in Wollongong, all 4wds were called Jeeps. My 80 yo mum calls all of the landies I have owned Jeeps.

It used to be like calling all vacuum cleaners - hoovers - calling any 4wd, irrespective of the brand - a jeep was once more common than you think.

Garry
Some people were so convinced in the 60s that jeep was a generic term that I heard them called them a "Landrover jeep".

A few other brand names which have become generic terms include:
thermos, esky, biro, kleenex, doona ...

[BBC]

G'day BBC :)

Nice +35 6cylinder SWB that one:D would it be a chassis suffix "D" job :)

cheers

Uncle Ho,

Just in the wrong place to confirm at the moment.

Cheers,

BBC

[isuzurover]

:BigCry::BigCry:I guess some of us are a just dinosaurs:eek:

Funny thing is, I am probably in the youngest 25% of the forum... :D

I'm sure everyone on a holden forum/club would know what an FJ is???

[Sleepy]

I agree it's a shame isuzurover. I've had my 90 called a "hummer" OMG:o sacrilege.

The again is a ISUZU County a real land rover? :wasntme:

[p38arover]

I dont know if its necessarily a brand recognition thing with the "jeep" name. I have friends that refer to all 4wds as jeeps and the larger 4wd utes as trucks.

In which country do you live? I've never heard anyone in Australia call a Landie or any other 4WD a Jeep (except real Jeeps) - nor have I heard the term "truck" used here.

[numpty]

Funny thing is, I am probably in the youngest 25% of the forum... :D

I'm sure everyone on a holden forum/club would know what an FJ is???

Too true.

As a matter of interest, in the 70's and 80's, most 4wd's advertised for sale in the SMH were prefixed with Land. eg Land Daihatsu. Very strange.

I drove the Series 1 to work on Monday.....65k's each way. Exhilarating stuff.

[one_iota]

And the problem is?

I don't give one.... series or otherwise :p

Just a Land Rover

[Sleepy]

I've never heard anyone in Australia call a Landie or any other 4WD a Jeep..

Ron,
Your a tad older than me so I'll stand to be corrected, but I was under the impression that all 4wds were often called "jeeps" in the post war era. A lot of tracks in Victoria have the name "jeep" in them. (eg: Twins jeep track - south of Mt Hotham) Many of my maps (including a few old ones from 60's) refer to "4wd only tracks" as "jeep tracks". Maybe its a Victorian thing!!:D

[Sly]

I understand Isuzrovers concern,during work hours I see many discos,rangies,defenders and a few series vehicles. 90 % of them give off the vibe pompous bogan :eek:.
No idea of what there driving, unless its a series something and those persons are already comitted. Spot the grin/frown as they pass, will I get home?, this is fun!, whats that new noise? and will they love me smelling of hot gear oil.
Perhaps series ownership/contact is the link that creates us as perdantic green oval freaks:confused:.
You dont gain nervana, just by traiding up from old sedan to slighty used right price discovery! ;).

[Hymie]

In which country do you live? I've never heard anyone in Australia call a Landie or any other 4WD a Jeep (except real Jeeps) - nor have I heard the term "truck" used here.

We do a lot of 4WD passenger transport for a Jewish group, even after doing the job for 5 years and correcting them every time they still call 4WDriving "Jeeping".
:mad::mad::mad:

[Utemad]

In which country do you live? I've never heard anyone in Australia call a Landie or any other 4WD a Jeep (except real Jeeps) - nor have I heard the term "truck" used here.

I hear 'truck' all the time.

I bought some stuff from a truck spares place and they said "Discovery......that's a Jeep isn't it?"
I told him it was a Land Rover and to wash his mouth out :)

[UncleHo]

G'day BBC :)

I was just being curious, as an ex-Leyland spare parts man, I noted the cable operated windscreen wipers, which would make it Negative Earth build,"D">, and it has a 6 cylinder grille, (straight bars) and the 35% badge telling of the strengthened front axle, it has the 3 bolt hinges and round sparewheel pads on the bonnet which are all fittings of the later Series 2a's and if it is a 6 cylinder vehicle it would be post 1967 ;) and a 6 pot SWB it would be a reasonably rare vehicle here :)

ex spares folk just can't help themselves when it comes to identifing vehicles, and real rivet counters can even tell when a feature came into production, but, this can't be done with accuracy in Aust. as they were CKD kits and built as demand varied. that is why the last of the Series 3 SWB's were tricked up and sold off as "Game"'s in NSW road marking yellow;)with 15 in Sunraisier wheels and black upholstory, and an Alloy Bull Bar.

cheers

[p38arover]

Ron,
Your a tad older than me so I'll stand to be corrected, but I was under the impression that all 4wds were often called "jeeps" in the post war era.

Dunno. I first drove a Land Rover in 1965 but drove them a lot more in 1968 when I got posted to Moree. We used them at work in OTC(A). In 1969, we got our first Land Cruiser - a 45/45 series long wheel base ute - down at Ceduna. I drove that a fair bit. The PMG Supervising Tech drove an FJ55.

But they were called Land Rover or Land Cruiser at work and around town.

[vnx205]

Dunno. I first drove a Land Rover in 1965 but drove them a lot more in 1968 when I got posted to Moree. We used them at work in OTC(A). In 1969, we got our first Land Cruiser - a 45/45 series long wheel base ute - down at Ceduna. I drove that a fair bit. The PMG Supervising Tech drove an FJ55.

But they were called Land Rover or Land Cruiser at work and around town.
Yes, but in Moree and Ceduna in the 60s, a lot of people probably knew the difference between a Land Cruiser and a Land Rover, They probably even knew what those extra levers near the gearlever were for.:p

Those people are hardly representative of the general population.

I'm not surprised that people who worked with 4WD vehicles or saw a lot of them driven around town knew what to call them.

[Bushie]

27 years ago you could buy a Classic Rangie which is essentially what a Disco1 is.


27 Years ago I had a classic Rangie :o boy that doesn't seem that long ago


I agree it's a shame isuzurover. I've had my 90 called a "hummer" OMG:o sacrilege.


Yeah, copped that one as well, the Defender gets called a Hummer by a few of the people where the wife works :twisted:


In which country do you live? I've never heard anyone in Australia call a Landie or any other 4WD a Jeep (except real Jeeps) - nor have I heard the term "truck" used here.

I've heard plenty of 4Wds called jeeps, and also plenty of 4Wds called trucks so they're certainly terms used in Australia.

As Numpty said a lot of advertising in the 80 was "Toyota Land Rover" etc. at that stage they were obviously trying to cash in on the name (or didn't know any better - which is where we started :D:D)



Martyn

[2 rocks]

I think we are all being just a little bit precious:o
It used to be like calling all vacuum cleaners - hoovers - calling any 4wd, irrespective of the brand - a jeep was once more common than you think.

Garry

Hear hear!
Couldn't agree more! Had 2 ROCKS referred to as a Range Rover once, I nearly had to have a Bex and long lie down :p.

Mike

[Reads90]

I had a few people on our trip around Aus call my 90 a Jeep.
My normal repsone to someone calling my Land Rover a Jeep

"Oh carefull mate ,thats fighting talking , Its a Land rover not a jeep "

[DirtyDawg]

[quote=Slunnie;772832]I guess what a real landy is, is something that is in a state of evolution. Perhaps these days a real Landy is actually a Rangie, a Discovery or maybe even...... a..... um...... f..... frrr.... freeeeee.... never mind.



The only thing landrover about the modern plastic , electric fantastics is the green oval badge..unless it is the classic Landrover box shape then it is a distraction:twisted: not a "Landrover" park a Series III 5 door next to my Defender and a Disco and spot the Landrovers.

[p38arover]

The only thing landrover about the modern plastic , electric fantastics is the green oval badge..unless it is the classic Landrover box shape then it is a distraction:twisted: not a "Landrover" park a Series III 5 door next to my Defender and a Disco and spot the Landrovers.

Original LR badges were black/silver. :p

[dobbo]

Original LR badges were black/silver. :p


I thought they were silver and had "made in Birmingham" on them

[scarry]

Whats a Hoover? At least Jeep is a brand.







kidding. :D

hoover is a brand....most of the early vacuum cleaners in america were made by hoover;)

most people that know what they are about know the difference between brands

the others often call them "four wheel drives".....as they dont know what brand they are or don't really care

i recon there are a good few guys even on this forum who would find it difficult to pick a RRS from a RR particularly at a distance...then again are they both just a RR?.....even though they are completely different vehicles

[simonr23]

i would have thought that d1's and d2's are still able to be thought of as inspired by from the original landrover image. seperate chassis, live axles, aluminum panels.

but really, isnt this train of thought "sad state of affairs" being a bit closed minded and unable to move with the times? i dont think its neccesarily a right or wrong mindset, but a bit sad to not be able to enjoy what our brilliant minds have been able to achieve over the years.

i love classic cars of many varieties, but i also love the modern ones too.

[dandlandyman]

My 2a swb (daily driver) only gets called a Jeep when I have the roof off. The only time I feel the need to correct people is when they call Land Rovers "Land Cruisers". It seems more common up here (NT).
A quick nitpick: I thought they never put sixes in 88"s, simply because there was no room. The 109" sixes had shorter rear propshaft and longer front. It makes the swb rear propshaft far too short. The only 6cyl swbs I know of are retrofit Holden engines. In these, the front crossmember is cut to fit the radiator, since the waterpump is lower down and further forward than the Rover 4cyls. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong...

Dan.
69 2a 88" pet4, 74 3 109" pet4, 68 2b FC pet6.

[DiscoStew]

i recon there are a good few guys even on this forum who would find it difficult to pick a RRS from a RR particularly at a distance...then again are they both just a RR?.....even though they are completely different vehicles

I am probably one of those guys but so what. This is an very open forum that welcomes anyone with an interest in LR and associated activities. You don't need to obtain an LR Fanatics Accreditation to join and therefore there will always be a mix of people with extensive knowledge and those whose interest is very new. And we don't spend all our free time learning about LR, we just pick up bits slowly.

I did not know about the Series models before I joined, wasn't sure what the difference between a 90 and 110 was and had never heard of a centre diff lock. Luckily for me threads like this one are rare and the club members tolerant, but that is how clubs work or they die off. In about 10 years when I am no longer a new guy I may be providing some knowledge to the new guys of the time but until then I make no apologies for not being able to immediately identify every LR Model.

[adm333]

I had not heard the expression "Truck" as a reference to a large 4WD vehicle until I moved up to QLD.

Here it is a very common term.

Could be a state based thing.

QLD'ers also use the term "Nikko" - to describe a thick marker pen. I've not heard that elsewhere.

Dave

[FenianEel]

I had not heard the expression "Truck" as a reference to a large 4WD vehicle until I moved up to QLD.

Here it is a very common term.

Could be a state based thing.

QLD'ers also use the term "Nikko" - to describe a thick marker pen. I've not heard that elsewhere.

Dave

Well Dave,

You probably swim in "swimmers" not togs and drink "middies" not pots as well. :D

A lot of people in England & Ireland still refer to anything 4WD (Landy, Mitsu, whatever) as a Jeep, and don't vacuum they do the "hoovering"

Bit like whether a Referdex is a UBD or a Melways or a book with roads and stuff in it :D

In concurrence with IsuzuRover, I think it is a sad state of affairs, but so is the fact that 80% of the population (the great un Land Rovered, uneducated and unwashed that they are), can't tell the diff between a Series 2 and a Defender!!:p

[scarry]

I had not heard the expression "Truck" as a reference to a large 4WD vehicle until I moved up to QLD.

Here it is a very common term.

Could be a state based thing.

QLD'ers also use the term "Nikko" - to describe a thick marker pen. I've not heard that elsewhere.

Dave

cos up here its the are....ummmm:wasntme:........smart state



as for offending anyone.....dont think thats the case....just a few people statinga few facts & opinions .....theres always the off button :eek:

[dobbo]

I had not heard the expression "Truck" as a reference to a large 4WD vehicle until I moved up to QLD.

Here it is a very common term.

Could be a state based thing.

QLD'ers also use the term "Nikko" - to describe a thick marker pen. I've not heard that elsewhere.

Dave

They also call XXXX beer.

As I was pumping up his soccer ball a kid told me that my Jeep was the coolest, I said thanks, my boys told him the error of his ways.

[FenianEel]

They also call XXXX beer.

As I was pumping up his soccer ball a kid told me that my Jeep was the coolest, I said thanks, my boys told him the error of his ways.

There are several theories why it called XXXX.

1. Not because Castlemaine Perkins were Irish (which they were)
2. Not because we Queenslanders can't spell
3. Not because you can't print the word S_ _T on a can

4. But because when you're maggot and looking like a bucket of smashed crabs, and the ability to make coherent sounds and words has long left you, you can simply walk, stumble or fall onto the bar, then......you can do the 'v' for victory sign, then hold up 4 fingers, then cross your index fingers and smile drunkily.
The barmen/maid will proceed to get a xxxx for you and your mate. All without the need for speaking :D

[dobbo]

There are several theories why it called XXXX.

1. Not because Castlemaine Perkins were Irish (which they were)
2. Not because we Queenslanders can't spell
3. Not because you can't print the word S_ _T on a can

4. But because when you're maggot and looking like a bucket of smashed crabs, and the ability to make coherent sounds and words has long left you, you can simply walk, stumble or fall onto the bar, then......you can do the 'v' for victory sign, then hold up 4 fingers, then cross your index fingers and smile drunkily.
The barmen/maid will proceed to get a xxxx for you and your mate. All without the need for speaking :D



What a load of XXXX, it's so preposterous it has to be true.

[adm333]

I thought it was XXXXA

.....as in " I'll 'ave a fourex Ay !"

We digress... sorry.

[isuzurover]

I am probably one of those guys but so what. This is an very open forum that welcomes anyone with an interest in LR and associated activities. You don't need to obtain an LR Fanatics Accreditation to join and therefore there will always be a mix of people with extensive knowledge and those whose interest is very new. And we don't spend all our free time learning about LR, we just pick up bits slowly.

I did not know about the Series models before I joined, wasn't sure what the difference between a 90 and 110 was and had never heard of a centre diff lock. Luckily for me threads like this one are rare and the club members tolerant, but that is how clubs work or they die off. In about 10 years when I am no longer a new guy I may be providing some knowledge to the new guys of the time but until then I make no apologies for not being able to immediately identify every LR Model.

Paul - don't get me wrong, I am not having a go at individuals here, AFAIK this website is for anyone at all who owns a landie, has owned a landie, is thinking of buying a landie, etc.... regardless of whether it is their number 1 passion/hobby, or just one in a long line of vehicles they will own thropugh their life.

I suppose all I am trying to say is, that series landies were produced during the same time that holden prodcuced everything from the 48-215 right through to the VH/VK commodore!!!!!!!! I would have thought that any holden owner with enough interest to join a holden club or a forum, would know at least one of those models???

It was more a general musing/comment - definitely not a big deal, and I am not having a go at anyone.

[DiscoStew]

Paul - don't get me wrong, I am not having a go at individuals here, AFAIK this website is for anyone at all who owns a landie, has owned a landie, is thinking of buying a landie, etc.... regardless of whether it is their number 1 passion/hobby, or just one in a long line of vehicles they will own thropugh their life.

I suppose all I am trying to say is, that series landies were produced during the same time that holden prodcuced everything from the 48-215 right through to the VH/VK commodore!!!!!!!! I would have thought that any holden owner with enough interest to join a land rover club or a forum, would know at least one of those models???

It was more a general musing/comment - definitely not a big deal, and I am not having a go at anyone.

Fair enuf, I wasn't that offended but there was a bit of a theme through the thread that it is poor form if you are on this forum and do not know heaps about LR models. Trouble with forums is it is easy to read too much into people's comments. :D

[stock]

yes the wife does the hoovering,we drink pints that are half litres, I drive a landie that called a truck ,jeep etc, I like drinking alchol (lager) that called beer ,and O! xxxx stands for p**s ,shagging is a route we hang our Clothes in a wardrobe not a closet,but landies are land rovers from s1 to fr "^*"anders it a shame that people dont respect the marque name how many people call a nissan a toyota:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:p

[FenianEel]

yes the wife does the hoovering,we drink pints that are half litres, I drive a landie that called a truck ,jeep etc, I like drinking alchol (lager) that called beer ,and O! xxxx stands for p**s ,shagging is a route we hang our Clothes in a wardrobe not a closet,but landies are land rovers from s1 to fr "^*"anders it a shame that people dont respect the marque name how many people call a nissan a toyota:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:p

Good one! :D
At least it's not as bad as the Yanks
All that "rootin" for the team, and sitting around on their "fannies":p

[101RRS]

yes the wife does the hoovering,we drink pints that are half litres, I drive a landie that called a truck ,jeep etc, I like drinking alchol (lager) that called beer ,and O! xxxx stands for p**s ,shagging is a route we hang our Clothes in a wardrobe not a closet,but landies are land rovers from s1 to fr "^*"anders it a shame that people dont respect the marque name how many people call a nissan a toyota:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:p

and when I was a kid, durex was stickie tape, a rubber was something you rubbed out your pencil mark - these days, everything has different meaning.

[rick130]

...and didn't it give me the pips as a kid in the seventies when Landy and 'Cruiser drivers called their vehicles 'Jeeps', as we were a Jeep family, had real Jeeps for years, and there is only one :p

It's funny the bagging I get from old cockies around here for driving a Landy "why don't ya get somethin decent, get a Toyota, son " then they proceed to tell what they used to get up to in their old Series IIa and what a bloody good thing it was...... :D

It's also surprising the number of "Geez, I used to have an old Series, best bloody 4wd I ever had..." and usually from the most unlikely of blokes.

But the best comment was from a visiting American Polo player at a nearby Polo property.
"Beautiful vehicle man..." :eek:
He knew exactly what a Defender was :cool:

[inside]

All these people go on about restoring old series IIs and I'm not sure why. My series II Freelander is in great condition and in no need of restoration. I do wish I had an ex-military series II Freelander though, that sure would be collectible.

[martinozcmax]

Ha ha...us series owners don't know Disco's neither :D
I just moved a thread from S3 forum to Disco forum but maybe it should have gone to D3 forum

I dunno?
Is a Disco a Land Rover? Really? :twisted:

Sorry Disco owners...just pullin ya legs

Grrrrrr, bloddy well better be. I love my Disco and it IS a Land Rover. Born in the same place as me - Solihull.

I want a new Deefer for me they are the ultimate however I also love the old Disco. I will get a new Defender when I retire and that will be my last car, just need to make sure swmbo is onside. :D :D :D

[dhard]

In which country do you live? I've never heard anyone in Australia call a Landie or any other 4WD a Jeep (except real Jeeps) - nor have I heard the term "truck" used here.Patrols, landcruisers called trucks all the time here in Qld.

[p38arover]

Patrols, landcruisers called trucks all the time here in Qld.

Well, it is Qld. :p

[Blknight.aus]

just to steer it back to the Series side of the conversation, its a depressing state of affairs when you order a gasket kit for a series 2 land rover petrol engine and they send you a V8 kit....



Especially when they are a Dealer...


its worse when you ring them to question it and the bloke on the other end of the phone explains that the only listing they have for a petrol series 2 is a V8.

when you explain that its for a 1966 series II landrover and not a discovery your jaw should drop to the floor in stunned disbelief when you get told that they didnt have landrovers back then.

[V8Ian]

I've noticed an increasing number of British TV shows calling Landies "Jeeps" - even on a recent Dr. Who!

as in cola - coke, vacuum cleaner - hoover et al

[V8Ian]

All these people go on about restoring old series IIs and I'm not sure why. My series II Freelander is in great condition and in no need of restoration. I do wish I had an ex-military series II Freelander though, that sure would be collectible.

:Rolling::Rolling::Rolling::Rolling:
None of the military ones survived

[Discopug]

Getting back to the start of this thread, not mentioning xxxx or hoovers.
Nice series 2 BBC.
I learn't to drive in one just like it. My parents had the only 4x4 in the suburb of Geelong where I grew up and most people refered to the vehicle as a jeep.
My father ( being Engish ) was very quick to enlighten them, and my mother ( a QLD er ) was very blunt in her enlightenment .
How times have changed, its almost a rare thing to see a 2x2 car in suburbs these days !
Now my D2 is refered to as a truck sometimes but NEVER a jeep.
I don't really care its fending off the smart **** remarks from Toyota owners that keeps me on my toes.
I am quite happy to point out to them that they buy thier car and spend lots of money putting things into them that Lanrover has as standard.
They can't comprehend that .

[George130]

I agree it's a shame isuzurover. I've had my 90 called a "hummer" OMG:o sacrilege.

The again is a ISUZU County a real land rover? :wasntme:

I get the Hummer one also.

[V8Ian]

i recon there are a good few guys even on this forum who would find it difficult to pick a RRS from a RR particularly at a distance...then again are they both just a RR?.....even though they are completely different vehicles

They're the same vehicle, toodear for me :D:D

[stock]

I think one of your bards had captured the esscence of the thread YouTube - Silly Slang Song by Eric Bogle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOdHNGG9yWU)

[Mick-Kelly]

If ya cant strap a set of gardening tools and a tyre on the bonnet its not a real landy :p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p

[JDNSW]

Just a few comments on nomenclature.

"Jeep" was the only four wheel drive in 1945, and hence the term was transferred to general use when new types turned up, although this was vigorously defended by Willys - for example the first Landcruisers were called Jeeps, but the name Landcruiser copied from Landrover after Willys threatened legal action. But despite this sort of effort, the term has remained part of US vocabulary since WW2.

By the end of the fifties, with the shortage of dollars in the sterling area, and most Jeeps having faded from the scene, the generic word in Australia became Landrover.

With Landrover more or less abandoning the market in the seventies and eighties, the generic word became Landcruiser, with one example being when I was looking for a radiator cap for the 110 at Repco, the parts bloke was looking under Toyota!

The terms "Truck" and "Jeep" have become fairly common in the last decade with the dominance of US culture in the popular media, "Jeep" having remained the generic word there and "Truck" having long been the term for what we would call a utility.

Trademark owners fight this sort of use, but usually without success - look at the number of words in the dictionary that reveal this sort of origin.

John

[foz.in.oz]

If ya cant strap a set of gardening tools and a tyre on the bonnet its not a real landy :p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p

So since Land Rover stopped fitting them to a Defender of TD5 they stopped being real. That's funny, I still get charged rego and insurance and I pay over $200 a month for fuel for a vehicle that doesn't exist.:D:D:D

My brother used to refer to my Defender as a Jeep all the time, not because he was ignorant but just to get under my skin. Tide has turned now though as he has just gone and bought a series 2. Discovery that is! So now I can rip him? Don't think so, it has the same engine as my truck (sorry 4wd), same transfer case, same ecu and the same badges. They are all Land Rovers, they are just different, just like the people who buy them/use them.

I don't expect every LR owner to know the heritage of the marque, or even recognise all models. I do expect to have a friendly chat with them though.

[100I]

My brother just bought a 300Tdi Defender (a series 7?). No peer pressure on my part:angel:.

I have to concede, it IS a truck.

[scarry]

If ya cant strap a set of gardening tools and a tyre on the bonnet its not a real landy :p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p

i can remember the old man used to say that & he used to add.....it must also have the red & yellow sticks....or it aint a fair dinkum landy:D

how times have changed:angel:

[Col.Coleman]

If ya cant strap a set of gardening tools and a tyre on the bonnet its not a real landy :p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p


So since Land Rover stopped fitting them to a Defender of TD5 they stopped being real.

Phew, lucky I turned my Td5 into a real one:p
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2008/07/1086.jpg
It is a real one, built in Solihull.
My Stage 1, NOT. Built is Aus. Looks like a real one though.

CC

[jimbo110]

If ya cant strap a set of gardening tools and a tyre on the bonnet its not a real landy :p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p

Too true

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2008/07/1075.jpg

Though it does stuff up the vision somwhat :D

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2008/07/1076.jpg

[one_iota]

Since when did LR think that sticking a spare on the bonnet was better than under the rear of the D3..they assumed that the tyres never needed to be changed???

Are Land Rovers so reliable that roadside assistance doesn't need lift it to get to the motor?

If I was Gardening Australia I'd keep the agricultural tools in the shed..after all a Land Rover doesn't need to be dug out.

[slug_burner]

hoover is a brand....most of the early vacuum cleaners in america were made by hoover;)

most people that know what they are about know the difference between brands

the others often call them "four wheel drives".....as they dont know what brand they are or don't really care

i recon there are a good few guys even on this forum who would find it difficult to pick a RRS from a RR particularly at a distance...then again are they both just a RR?.....even though they are completely different vehicles

since when have RRs been Land Rovers ?:wasntme:

[LoveMyV8County]

Hi Guys;

I have a series 3 Disco LWB and would like your opinions on which performance CHIP i should put in it for more performance and power ???:p:D:D:D

[/SIZE]

You've got it all wrong. In this thread the chips go into the driver not the vehicle.

[isuzurover]

You've got it all wrong. In this thread the chips go into the driver not the vehicle.

:rofl :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D This has to be the best post in the thread!!!

I must admit - for a long time I thought it was extremely sad that there were only 2 forums in the tech section - technical chatter, and electronic diagnostics... I think that alone says something...

[Disco_owner]

You've got it all wrong. In this thread the chips go into the driver not the vehicle.

:D:D:D it was merely having a dig at Ben for an earlier post from a D3 owner looking for a performance CHIPP who posted in the series 3 section :D:D

[LWB123]

I must admit to feeling much the same way about Series LRs cf Discoverys etc. Basically, I don't have much, if any, interest in the newer vehicles which in the majority instance are yuppie toys in the suburbs.

I take a lot of photos of Series LRs for publication in a couple of UK magazines. Regrettably, the one thing in common of most of these photos is that unlike the stuff from Africa and Europe, they are nearly all abandoned paddock wrecks. Simple fact is, buyers apart from the Army deserted the Series LRs in droves in the 70s and that is pretty much the way it has stayed. Rare indeed to see one actually being driven on the road, other than en-route to a classic show etc.

Too bad, but those of us who learnt to drive the things in the 50s and 60s will nearly always forgive their many faults and continue to hold a candle of sorts for them anyway.

Cheers,

[RobHay]

G'day Folks :)

The 2a in my avatar gets driven regularly, not my daily driver now but still get used several times a month, it's just a little slow for the Caboolture-Brisbane, Bruce Highway dash these days ;) where 120kph is the norm :wasntme:


cheers


120kph.....120kph....A 120 kilometres an hour

I seem to remember someone doing that speed through Cleveland....I wonder who that was....let me think....Oh HO hum.....:angel:

[RobHay]

Since when did LR think that sticking a spare on the bonnet was better than under the rear of the D3..they assumed that the tyres never needed to be changed???

Are Land Rovers so reliable that roadside assistance doesn't need lift it to get to the motor?

If I was Gardening Australia I'd keep the agricultural tools in the shed..after all a Land Rover doesn't need to be dug out.

Agree...agree,,,but toyo and pootrolls do...and as a helpful fellow 4WD'er it is helpful to have the correct tools close on hand to render assistance...which is why we carry them on top of the mudguards:D

[LOVEMYRANGIE]

Here is one:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/10/486.jpg

This one gets driven around every day when I am home.

Just changing the subject foe a minute, what is the paint code on this BBC?? Want to repsray my 2A trailer and this is the green I want, but dont know which one it is?????