2L Series IIs

[Shonky]

How many people on here have Series IIs with the 2L OIVSEV motor in them?

I am tentatively looking for one to go into mine, as that's what it originally would have had. I don't know a great deal about these motors. I have two 2.25s lying around as well as two 186s so I'm a bit grumpy that I now have to go and find yet another motor!

Does anyone know where I could find one? If you have one sitting in the back of the shed doing nothing, let me know!

How many 2L Series IIs were there anyway?

[chazza]

This engine was used in the Series 1 as well, Shonky, so a posting there would be a good idea,

Cheers Charlie

[Shonky]

Indeed it was Charlie!

This thread is more of a "who's got a 2L SII?" thread - I have put a "seeking engine and info" thread in the general section. :)

Thanks mate!

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Andrew

It seems, depending upon whom you believe, that the 2 litre IOE was only used in the early S2s because the 2 1/4 wasn't ready to go into production or was a case of using up the remaining production of 2 litres. My guess would be the later.

To be pragmatic about it all I would be using one of your 2 1/4 litre engines. Parts are readily available for the 2 1/4 but not so readily available for the 2 litre. The only mods you should have to do is change the bell housing for the one to suit the 2 1/4 litre and if not already done you need to swap the bottom outlet on the radiator.

The only reason I would use the 2 litre was if I wanted to be pedantic about the original spec or to have a relatively rare model.

There is nothing special about the 2 litre and they frequently got tossed for the later engine because it was a little more power and a whole lot more reliable.

Diana

[chazza]

"Does anyone know where I could find one? If you have one sitting in the back of the shed doing nothing, let me know!" Andrew

Sorry cobber; didn't mean to tell granma how to suck eggs, but I was referring to your second last sentence and assuming that you hadn't tried the S1 boys and girls.

My S2 probably had a 2 litre engine when it was new, but the army changed it to the 2 1/4 litre, so it will stay that way.

If you want to keep it original, then I think that is a great idea, as they seem to be as rare as hen's teeth,

Cheers Charlie

[hodgo]

Shonky.

I know where there is one here in Brisbane. Its dismantled but spose to be in good condition I have not seen it but according to the owner is complete woud you like me to chase some more info for you.

Hodg

[101RRS]

Just remember there are 2 different 2 litre motors - you obviously want the later one. I believe the later is close in design to the 2 1/4 litre motor where the earlier 2 litre motor is of a similar design to the earlier 1600.

If I am wrong I am sure someone will correct me.

Garry

[dandlandyman]

There's actually three "two-litre motors". The first S1 2L IOE is different to the later S1 2L IOE (something about siamese and spread-bore layouts). The 2L that's similar to the 2.25L is the first diesel, which is very hard to get bits for.

I have heard low murmurs of some 2L OHV petrols but I've never seen one, so I have serious doubts.

Dan.
69 2a 88" pet4, 74 3 109" pet4, 68 2b FC pet6.

[gromit]

Shonky,

I bought a '58 Series II a while ago as a spares car, it had a 2.25 fitted but came with the original 2 litre motor as well. The idea was to use the 2 litre motor as a spare for my Series I.
I'm now looking at restoring the SII (at some point in the future) and putting the original motor back in because it is rare to find them with the 2 litre fitted.
The 2 litre was only fitted to the early 88" SII's, as Diana said probably just to use up existing stocks. The long wheelbase was launched with the 2.25 motor.

Series Two Club (http://www.series2club.co.uk/frame.htm)

Colin

[chazza]

The 2L that's similar to the 2.25L is the first diesel, which is very hard to get bits for.

Dan.
69 2a 88" pet4, 74 3 109" pet4, 68 2b FC pet6.

So everyone, including the magazines, keep saying; however; there is a chap on our Series 1 list who is restoring a S1 diesel and he told me that most of the diesel parts are interchangeable with the 2 1/4 litre engine.

In other words he has not found it difficult to get parts at all.

Cheers Charlie

[Lotz-A-Landies]

There's actually three "two-litre motors". The first S1 2L IOE is different to the later S1 2L IOE (something about siamese and spread-bore layouts). The 2L that's similar to the 2.25L is the first diesel, which is very hard to get bits for.

I have heard low murmurs of some 2L OHV petrols but I've never seen one, so I have serious doubts.

Dan.
69 2a 88" pet4, 74 3 109" pet4, 68 2b FC pet6.

Dan

The only 2 litre OHV that I'm aware of was the diesel.

Yes the 2 litre diesel was the basis for the design of the 2 1/4 litre petrol and diesels.

But I am pretty sure that there are a few bits for the 2 litre diesel that are hard to get, like the pistons. The 2 litre diesel was used in the series 2 for a couple of years as oposed to the 2 litre IOE petrol which was less than a year.

Diana

[JDNSW]

Dan

The only 2 litre OHV that I'm aware of was the diesel.

Yes the 2 litre diesel was the basis for the design of the 2 1/4 litre petrol and diesels.

But I am pretty sure that there are a few bits for the 2 litre diesel that are hard to get, like the pistons. The 2 litre diesel was used in the series 2 for a couple of years as oposed to the 2 litre IOE petrol which was less than a year.

Diana

The 2 litre diesel and the 2.25 petrol are said to have been developed in tandem, and sharing the same basic design. The 2.25 diesel was an adaptation to use the same block as the petrol engine, as well as rather more parts in common with the petrol engine. The major difference was that the 2 litre had wet sleeves, where the 2.25, as with the petrol, ran the pistons in the block. The change was used as the marker for the change from Series 2 to 2a in 1961, so the 2 litre was in production for around four years.

I would expect that the pistons and sleeves are pretty hard to come by, but most other parts that are different from the 2.25 are interchangeable, at least as assemblies. The injectors and injection pumps for example are different from memory, but are probably interchangeable, and the precombustion chambers are, I think, different, but the whole head assembly is interchangeable.

I have never heard of any suggestion of an overhead valve 2 litre petrol engine, and I would suspect any such reference has either got the capacity wrong, or has incorrectly described the IOE valve layout; which seems to be often incorrectly referred to as "side valve".


John

[Shonky]

Sorry cobber; didn't mean to tell granma how to suck eggs, but I was referring to your second last sentence and assuming that you hadn't tried the S1 boys and girls.

My S2 probably had a 2 litre engine when it was new, but the army changed it to the 2 1/4 litre, so it will stay that way.

If you want to keep it original, then I think that is a great idea, as they seem to be as rare as hen's teeth,

Cheers Charlie

No worries mate!

I'm still not 100% sure if I will go down that path - I may just put a 2.25 in it. They certainly do seem to be quite rare, but we will see how we go. ;)

The 2.25s I have are both in Perth so I will have to ship them across the country. That done, both are in unconfirmed order (one has been sitting in the backyard of my grandmothers house for as long as anyone can remember, the other we found under a farm house when we bulldozed it!)

It may be simpler to find a more local engine that someone knows a bit about methinks... :angel:

[Shonky]

Shonky.
I know where there is one here in Brisbane. Its dismantled but spose to be in good condition I have not seen it but according to the owner is complete woud you like me to chase some more info for you.
Hodg

Cheers for the heads up Hodgo!

I'm not quite in the market yet (still hoarding the pennies) but if you could have a preliminary poke around for me that would be good!

Would be good to know how dismantled it is, what it came out of and how it was going before it was pulled - if you are comfortable asking about price, that would be helpful too. :D

Thanks a ton mate!

[Shonky]

Shonky,

I bought a '58 Series II a while ago as a spares car, it had a 2.25 fitted but came with the original 2 litre motor as well. The idea was to use the 2 litre motor as a spare for my Series I.
I'm now looking at restoring the SII (at some point in the future) and putting the original motor back in because it is rare to find them with the 2 litre fitted.
The 2 litre was only fitted to the early 88" SII's, as Diana said probably just to use up existing stocks. The long wheelbase was launched with the 2.25 motor.

Series Two Club (http://www.series2club.co.uk/frame.htm)

Colin

That's always the way I think Colin. :)

If you decide you want to get rid of the 2.25 afterwards I could be interested. :)

Good luck with the project - I look forward to reading about it!

[chopper]

Hi, I have a series 2 , 2 litre petrol 88 inch original soft top "with heater" lol !!.
All there not bad nick for fifty years would restore well.
was wondering what it might be worth???
Thanks all.
Chopper

[JDNSW]

Value depends entirely on its condition and originality. While they are quite rare, I doubt they worth significantly more than any other Series 2 in the same condition unless it has special history. The extra cost of restoration would outweigh the modest extra rarity of the 2 litre.

However, although Series 2s are hardly very collectible at present, they may become so in the next ten years, although the fact that they are hard to distinguish from 2as and even Series 3s plays down their value.

Having said that though, 2 litre Series 2s are quite rare with original engines, so it is likely to be worth retaining originality, but don't expect to be sitting on a fortune!

John

[Shonky]

Rare is almost the wrong word isn't it?

Unusual maybe? Uncommon?

[JDNSW]

Rare is almost the wrong word isn't it?

Unusual maybe? Uncommon?

rare: adj. (rarer, rarest) 1. Seldom found or done or occurring, uncommon, unusual, few and far between. (Australian COED)

Seems the dictionary makes no distinction.

John